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Bass music from neighbours causing panic attacks
Hi,
I see there have been threads on this subject before, but they are all dead, so I though i would start a new one.
My neighbour's teenage son likes to play music when his parents are out. They have a high quality sound system that generates a lot of bass and is situated next to the party wall. On several occasions the music has been extremely loud, and has caused panic attacks.
I'm not sure of the root cause, i have had problems with anxiety before, but not with a trigger such as this.
The music comes on once/twice a week, as soon as I hear it i become extremely angry at the rudeness and the invasion of boundaries. I then panic as i'm not sure what i should do about it, whether the noise is even unacceptable, what the neighbours might say when i challenge them etc.
I have approached the neighbours on several occasions who have said they will turn it down, but any improvement is short lived.
It's got to the point now where bass music at barely perceptible volumes is causing a strong stress reaction. I can tell the instant the music starts, but have to mute the TV to make sure, so it's obviously not at much volume.
I become anxious any time a car drives past my house with audible music (this happens a lot it's a busy road). I become anxious when i hear footsteps next door, doors closing, voices etc. as i fear those noises will be followed by the dull thud of bass music.
This is ruining my life.
I can wear earplugs, and closed back headphones to drown out the noise, but i have a wife and baby so this is not an ideal solution.
I have started to spend some time listening the binaural beat sounds to try and condition myself to low frequency sounds and this seems to have some positive effect in that i feel calm when the sound is playing as i know i'm safe from the neighbour noise, but if i hear music from the neighbours unexpectedly, i still panic.
What other treatment options are there? I feel that if i could reframe the problem, it would go away, but i am at a loss as to how to do this.
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I can only relate as to that bass sound... Rap music and vehicles that have sub-woofers and have that nasty vibration that rattles the walls creates the same visceral reaction in me as well. I have some misophonia and certain sounds trigger a negative reaction. Exposure has been the best method to treat it for me.
Positive thoughts
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I don't have any pearls of wisdom for you but if I see anything I'll make sure to pass it on. You're dealing with it really well, you're being so rational about it and that's awesome :)
Dealing with it rather than finding ways to avoid it is prob the best way to handle the issue but try not to be too hard on yourself.
Maybe it's not about the music and it's something like a lack of control, you mentioned something about invasion of boundaries?
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I had the same feelings with my neighbor. Thankfully they didn't trigger panic attacks, but I'd get so mad some days and just be in a rage over it. Tried talking to him, tried calling the police about it, nothing helped. It's just so rude and such an invasion into your home. In the end I just had to let it go. Nothing was going to change him and it was only making me worse. Karma helped out too, he's in jail for a bit.
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Fishmanpa
I can only relate as to that bass sound... Rap music and vehicles that have sub-woofers and have that nasty vibration that rattles the walls creates the same visceral reaction in me as well. I have some misophonia and certain sounds trigger a negative reaction. Exposure has been the best method to treat it for me.
Positive thoughts
Thanks for your thoughts
Yes, it's the wall rattling thud thud thud sounds, as opposed to other loud musical sounds like singing/guitar/whatever.
I have the more common misophonia too; lip smacking/eating noises. The lip smacking stress reaction comes as goes as my general well being does, so if i'm well rested and in a good mood, it doesn't affect me so much.
However i'm currently going through a phase where my coworker's constant mouth-open chewing and bubblegum popping is only annoying (as opposed to enraging), but my reaction to the bass music is still extreme.
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Lexilou
I had the same feelings with my neighbor. Thankfully they didn't trigger panic attacks, but I'd get so mad some days and just be in a rage over it. Tried talking to him, tried calling the police about it, nothing helped. It's just so rude and such an invasion into your home. In the end I just had to let it go. Nothing was going to change him and it was only making me worse. Karma helped out too, he's in jail for a bit.
This is sort of where I am with this.
My wife finds it rude and thinks the neighbour is a dick, but that's it. If I could treat myself somehow and achieve the same mentality, that would be great.
So I could try and write the neighbour off as an inconsiderate prick who will never understand the hell he is causing, and try and think of him as a fact of life like the weather; often annoying, but totally beyond my control. The danger with this is, if I stop complaining, it might get worse.
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HalfJack
Maybe it's not about the music and it's something like a lack of control, you mentioned something about invasion of boundaries?
Could be. The neighbours also have a row of tall trees that block out all of my light in the evenings. This also plays on my mind a lot, although doesn't make me mad or panic as such. I have asked if they are going to trim them, and they are, but it worries me that if they don't, i don't have a great deal of comeback that isn't going to cause conflict.
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You have my sympathy, i am suffering with the same problem, mine is due to loud talking and laughing coming from my neighbours house and also my husband insisting on having the TV on loud. I have starting panicking whenever I sense the noise from next door is going to start, can i add, they are nice people and not going out of their way to be noisy, we just have poor insulation in the house. I am discussing this at my CBT and have been advised that exposure is the way to beat this. My current strategy of avoidance is apparently feeding the problem in my mind. I hope you manage to find a way to deal with this.
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Noises used to be a problem for me too. I found it was very much like how light can be and the more you just move forward in your recovery, these seem to reduce. Fight or flight does sharpen senses too, so it makes sense.
The eating thing used to wind me up to but now it's just gone.
Your neighbours are expected to stick below certain noise levels or they can be prosecuted. Have you considered a formal route?
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Just thought i'd give a bit of an update
I made an album of sounds/noises to play through earbuds when i'm at work, white noise, brown noise, loud foot steps, thuds etc. The white/brown noise clips are quite long, and good for drowning out general noise. The footstep etc. tracks are a much shorter play length and appear suddenly. Kind of simulating intermittent sounds from the neighbours.
I have seen something of an improvement. The eating noise from my coworker no longer sends me into a rage, which i consider to be a major win. At first this was because i was blocking noise from her with white noise which i had running constantly, but over time i've been able to reduce the volume of the white noise, and now often don't use it, until she starts doing something particularly annoying.
At home, i've downloaded a binaural tone generator which i play through some better closed-back bluetooth headphones, i set the pitch to about 25Hz, which seems a good match for the frequency of noise i find particularly upsetting. With this setup i can gain almost instant relief, which helps reduce the fear of the noise occuring. I know i have a reliable safety net.
I find the presence of immediate relief from the panic inducing sounds a great comfort. I know that of something starts to annoy me, i can drown it out instantly. Also, i think the extended exposure to low frequency noise is helping.
The final part of the solution is a bit more risque, but i have found it has helped greatly. As i said in my first post, part of the anxiety surrounds confronting the neighbours. I guess on some level i wonder are the purposely trying to upset me. In my minds eye the shared wall between us is some impenetrable barrier from behind which anxiety inducing sounds could occur at any moment, for any length of time. They hold all the aces and i've got to cower on this side of the wall with my headphones on.
So anyway i bought a cheap wall microphone so i can hear what is happening through the wall. This helps when the music is on, as this way i can hear the rest of the music, and not just the thud, thud, thud, of the bass. Being able to recognise it as loud music, as opposed to threatening noise, has been useful. But also what i can hear, is sounds of a regular family doing boring things and talking about mundane things. I can't make out what's being said, but it isn't about me and isn't aggressive in any way.
I still find the bass music upsetting, but not nearly as bad as before. I am now able to see it as a problem i can work on, as opposed to something which will destroy me
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That is really good, llo. I am glad you are finding some ways to tackle this and make life easier for yourself.
I do so sympathise. When my anxiety is high, I cannot tolerate any kind of background noise, such as builiding work in the neighbourhood (it has been hellish the last few years here...one neighbour finishes their loft conversion and the another opposite started theirs) or my neighbour's kids playing loudly. Sometimes even bird sounds.
Sounds can be torturous sometimes.
I find that when my anxiety reduces, so does my sensitivity, but even so I still can't abide much noise around me, even high volume on the TV.
I think it is great you are being so proactive about this and wish you continued success. :)
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I can empathise with that but even people with out any illness the loud music would bother me too and would if it continued report it to your local council :) Glad you are combating it though:)
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Noisy neighbours have definitely enhanced my anxiety to some degree.
The constant worry of the impending noise making it difficult to relax.
When you have a noisy neighbour all of a sudden every single noise they make that would not normally have bothered you starts to bother you. Almost like each noise is a prelude to the coming loud noise
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Thanks to all for the encouragement.
I don't want to report them to the council, as they aren't being that loud for that long. It's properly loud for a few minutes a couple of times a week, and then all evening maybe five times a year. My reaction to it is just far stronger than is rational.
Paul B.
I know exactly what you are saying. Footsteps, a cough, a door closing, all could be a precursor to the dreaded "thud thud thud (skip track, skip track) thud thud thud thud"
This is where the wall mic. is helping, as i can hear other normal sounds as well and be reasonably sure that they aren't about to whack the stereo on loud for five hours.
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Just to be clear, i'm well aware that bugging your neighbour's house is a bit off, but I was going out of my mind :)
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Hi, I just joined. I'm suffering from a noisy neighbour too. I live in a flat above theirs and since February the drum and bass that they are "obsessed" with has added to my existing social anxiety.
I've been through the council, and Environmental Health caught evidence on a sound recorder in my flat then issuing an abatement notice. Even though I was told their was "enough evidence to go to court if necessary" it continues 10 months on.
The neighbour has also resorted to taunting me by shouting and turning the volume up down up down etc.
I've tried contacting the council but just get fobbed off. This morning I was woken at 4.30am by loud voices followed by loud music then the smell of weed fillibng my flat.
I feel so broken by all the extra stress.
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I don't have any panic issues but hang here on this web board for other reasons, and I must say loud bass music from the neighbours is dreadful. I've had it multiple times in different flats, with different neighbours, and it is stressful.
At one occasion, with a neighbour shouting randomly at night (weird enough), we considered having a second isolated wall fitted against the bedroom wall toward his flat, where it faced his living room (unfortunately). A double wall. But the problem disappeared after some months so there was need to pursue the wall project. I guess that is why people dream of having their own house, or to live in a flat at the top floor.
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The smell of weed? You haven't thought of trying to switch to another neighbourhood, have you? With a new-born baby, and all that? What kind of neighbourhood is it, for small toddlers, anyway? In my mind, I now get pictures of run-down derelict areas where people sell crack on the street corners at night.
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andrew68
Hi, I just joined. I'm suffering from a noisy neighbour too. I live in a flat above theirs and since February the drum and bass that they are "obsessed" with has added to my existing social anxiety.
I've been through the council, and Environmental Health caught evidence on a sound recorder in my flat then issuing an abatement notice. Even though I was told their was "enough evidence to go to court if necessary" it continues 10 months on.
The neighbour has also resorted to taunting me by shouting and turning the volume up down up down etc.
I've tried contacting the council but just get fobbed off. This morning I was woken at 4.30am by loud voices followed by loud music then the smell of weed fillibng my flat.
I feel so broken by all the extra stress.
Hi Andy I replied to your other thread regarding this and see recording equipment was placed in your flat(after reading this thread) and a notice was issued for the noise to stop 10 months on and it's still happening This sucks my friend. Have you been to the CAB (Citizens Advice)
What's the council's excuse regarding this?? And as it's in a block of flats there surely are other neighbours who have had enough? As for the drugs why not simply call the police you don't need to give a name I feel your pain it must be hell for you Cheers
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Thanks for replying. Yesterday the bass throbbing went on in my bedroom area from 4.30pm to 11pm [I wanted to go to bed at 9 btw] So fed up at 10.30ish I sent email complaint to enviromental Health. The excuse the council gave recently was that as I hadn't complained recently the case had been closed - the neighbour went on holiday for 7 weeks so of course there was no noise. Anyway, I have a full accurate log of all disturbances so will add that all to the re-opening of the case. As far as I am concerned, the noise abatement is in place and I expect the authorities to make sure it is adhered to.
Best wishes to everyone....
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andrew68
Thanks for replying. Yesterday the bass throbbing went on in my bedroom area from 4.30pm to 11pm [I wanted to go to bed at 9 btw] So fed up at 10.30ish I sent email complaint to enviromental Health. The excuse the council gave recently was that as I hadn't complained recently the case had been closed - the neighbour went on holiday for 7 weeks so of course there was no noise. Anyway, I have a full accurate log of all disturbances so will add that all to the re-opening of the case. As far as I am concerned, the noise abatement is in place and I expect the authorities to make sure it is adhered to.
Best wishes to everyone....
It's :cool: The fact is you do have a accurate log and up to date one at that should go in your favour :) And good positive thinking at the end of your post re the obligation from the council to do something about it! Let us know how it goes! Cheers
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So, it was a difficult over Christmas and Environmental Health have again warned the noisy neighbour with a "strongly worded letter." Sadly, it still re-occurs. Not quite as bad, but last night I was woken by music starting at quarter to 12. Fortunately only 20 mins, but even so... Leaves me on edge, and I feel very nervous tonight.
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Sunday night awake from 11.57 to gone 6.30am as neighbours decided to play music and make a noise ALL night. Still haven't slept properly as I can't relax even though I'm exhausted.
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Same old still happening I see Andy, I am sorry to hear this, it's ok keep sending strong worded letters to the offending ppl, but clearly it's not been taken seriously. Is the recording equipment still in place. Did it go quiet for a bit, hence you haven't been on for a while? Cheers
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I'm back. Sorry really lost my way over the last couple of months. Things quietened down a little, but disruptions still occur. I had noise recorder back but was unable to capture much of use. Last night neighbour decided to thump music out of their car in the driveway under my bedroom window until 11pm then come in and fill the place with the smell of weed. Really struggling with this again.
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andrew68
I'm back. Sorry really lost my way over the last couple of months. Things quietened down a little, but disruptions still occur. I had noise recorder back but was unable to capture much of use. Last night neighbour decided to thump music out of their car in the driveway under my bedroom window until 11pm then come in and fill the place with the smell of weed. Really struggling with this again.
Hi Andrew Do the authorites know about the weed thing going on as I would suspect this person gets ppl knocking at his door at all times of the night. Like I said before keep a written log of every incident how ever small as I feel it will continue and it's not doing you any favours is it?! Cheers
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Bigboyuk
Hi Andrew Do the authorites know about the weed thing going on as I would suspect this person gets ppl knocking at his door at all times of the night. Like I said before keep a written log of every incident how ever small as I feel it will continue and it's not doing you any favours is it?! Cheers
Hi. Yes, it's been made clear to them on more than the one occassion, but I genuinely feel they can't be bothered to act. My doctor wrote to the council which resulted in them calling em and offering to help get me moved someweher else. Becuase of my anxiety issues, I need to be here where the rest of my family are close by (a minute away at most), so that isn't an option. They then said they would speak to Environmental Health and that was the last I heard, back at the start of April :weep:
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andrew68
Hi. Yes, it's been made clear to them on more than the one occassion, but I genuinely feel they can't be bothered to act. My doctor wrote to the council which resulted in them calling em and offering to help get me moved someweher else. Becuase of my anxiety issues, I need to be here where the rest of my family are close by (a minute away at most), so that isn't an option. They then said they would speak to Environmental Health and that was the last I heard, back at the start of April :weep:
I know your anxiety might get in the way right now but chase them up Andrew. You shouldn't have to, I know, however, things don't always get sorted out without some firm action. Don't let it fester and ruin your health even more. If anyone needs to be moved it's your disruptive neighbour, and if the council bears down on them, perhaps threatening eviction or court action, they will be more considerate in their behaviour and antisocial ways.
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KK is right you need to contact the council tomorrow and raise a complaint about the way it hasn't been resolved. If it was me I would be on the council's back until something is done about it it can not continue :)
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Try your local MP, we had an issue over a street name, council did nothing but blather on and on, so contacted our local MP.
Problem solved following week.
Mental health is now a big issue with the likes of Royalty getting involved, tell your MP about it they are always after pats on the back.
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Thanks for the replies. Yes, I should chase this up. Things have been quieter but I have the kind of neighbour that goes quiet for periods and then explodes again - this makes it harder to catch the noise as you don't know when it will happen [but it always does] and I also think the council take the attitude if it isn't everyday, then it can't be much of a problem.
I have actually used my MP before to force the council into action over a different matter, and that has always been on my list of options. I also want to talk to citizens advice about this. I guess I just put too much faith in Environmental Health and the council to actually do what they are supposed to.
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andrew68
Thanks for the replies. Yes, I should chase this up. Things have been quieter but I have the kind of neighbour that goes quiet for periods and then explodes again - this makes it harder to catch the noise as you don't know when it will happen [but it always does] and I also think the council take the attitude if it isn't everyday, then it can't be much of a problem.
I have actually used my MP before to force the council into action over a different matter, and that has always been on my list of options. I also want to talk to citizens advice about this. I guess I just put too much faith in Environmental Health and the council to actually do what they are supposed to.
Hi Andy you do have a list of options right! On the other matter did the council not really help then you got your MP involved I take it that matter was resolved? If it was then you know what to do :) Seek help from your MP :) Good luck let us know how it goes Cheers
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I agree with the others, Andrew. This isn't acceptable and I thought anti social behaviour was important? They blather on about stopping it enough.
Moving you is punishing you. Moving them is just punishing the next neighbour who has to put up with them. They are the problem to deal with and the council need to grow a pair and sort it out.
Leaning on them via someone more senior, or more public (they will snap to attention if their PR officer gets a call from a journalist...private companies certainly do), so your MP seems a good move.
I know it's not a police issue but the community police teams deal with anti social behaviour and from what I see of mine, they seem to deal with things the police would previously have refused to. I wonder if they can help?
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Thanks again for the replies here. Things still relatively quiet here at the moment, just need to deal with the remaining anxiety.
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I haven't been here for a while. Things were relatively quieter after my GP wrote to the council. However....
Last weekend noisy neighbour told me they are having friends around Friday [tonight] and "needs to test some sound equipment*" I reminded them that they had to keep it respectable, which they said they would. [*this is bull, just an excuse to play loud music]
Due to the anxiety I decided to call Environmental Health, inform them and ask for advice. They called back and basically told me everything I already know.
I expect there to be problems tonight as it is in the neighbours character to not give a toss about anyone else. If that happens [and I survive the anxiety] I intend to make the usual report to Enviromental Health, and also inform them that I will be seeking advice from Citizens Advice and contacting my local MP as the situation is still not being adequately dealt with.
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andrew68
I haven't been here for a while. Things were relatively quieter after my GP wrote to the council. However....
Last weekend noisy neighbour told me they are having friends around Friday [tonight] and "needs to test some sound equipment*" I reminded them that they had to keep it respectable, which they said they would. [*this is bull, just an excuse to play loud music]
Due to the anxiety I decided to call Environmental Health, inform them and ask for advice. They called back and basically told me everything I already know.
I expect there to be problems tonight as it is in the neighbours character to not give a toss about anyone else. If that happens [and I survive the anxiety] I intend to make the usual report to Enviromental Health, and also inform them that I will be seeking advice from Citizens Advice and contacting my local MP as the situation is still not being adequately dealt with.
Hi Andy How did it go on Friday? I would say those 2 options must be explored
if the noise got really out of hand as the council don't seem to be doing much let us know how you get on. ATB
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Thanks for your interest. As it turned out, it would appear that the neighbour didn't have this get together at all. However, things weren't without incident. The morning started withe the woman who lives there shouting and talking extremely loudly to her new boyfriend and being very foul mouthed as is the norm. Music throughout the afternoon was low but vibrations and were noticable and irritating. It got more apparent as the evening wore on, not because of the volume but the bass/sub-bass vibrations which were still going on when I went to bed at around 11.30pm.
At 4.35am I was woken by the bass droning at a louder level than it had been all day right below my bedroom. I finally managed to get back to sleep after 5.30am. When I got up in the morning the music could still be heard playing although very faintly.
Part of the problem is, even when the voulme is low, the bass is still vibrating, droning and tedious as it can go on for hours which is really draining on my patience.
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So here I am again, 2 years on from the beginning. Now this Sunday noisy neighbour announces her birthday, tells me shes having friends around and we are welcome to attend. As if. She doesn't want me there anymore than I want to go. It's just following the ploy of if you are going to cause a disturbance with a loud party, invite your neighbour in attempt to diffuse any problems.
I reminded her she need to keep it "respectable" but as last year we were kept awake from midnight to 8.30 in the morning I have no trust in that being heeded. I'm currently in a very bad agitated state, only 3 hours sleep last night and feel like a massive panic is coming on.
At 9 this morning I called the Enviro Health officer dealing with my case, but only got answerfone. I left a message but had no call back as yet.
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HI Andrew sorry to hear its not been resolved as yet 2 pigging years would have drove me to dispare get a pettion going in and around neighbouring flats houses Also time to really speak to your mp about this Hope you do make it clear enough is now enough :) ATB...
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Bigboyuk
HI Andrew sorry to hear its not been resolved as yet 2 pigging years would have drove me to dispare get a pettion going in and around neighbouring flats houses Also time to really speak to your mp about this Hope you do make it clear enough is now enough :) ATB...
Thank you! Spoke to the officer involved today, basically he said it was too late to really do anything. To be fair he was nice enough, listened and accepted to what I had to say, but obviously of no help at all. I'm just gonna let this happen, and deal with any fall-out on Monday - hopefully it won't be as bad as last year, but if it is I'm going to citizens advice first thing, calling the housing officer, reporting to environmental health and then contacting my local MP.
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andrew68
Thank you! Spoke to the officer involved today, basically he said it was too late to really do anything. To be fair he was nice enough, listened and accepted to what I had to say, but obviously of no help at all. I'm just gonna let this happen, and deal with any fall-out on Monday - hopefully it won't be as bad as last year, but if it is I'm going to citizens advice first thing, calling the housing officer, reporting to environmental health and then contacting my local MP.
It's np Andy :) You say too late to do anything as in because its taking place this week end? It's one thing to be nice and listen to you, but seems like you have a plan of action in place, follow it through and let us know how you get on ATB
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Bigboyuk
It's np Andy :) You say too late to do anything as in because its taking place this week end? It's one thing to be nice and listen to you, but seems like you have a plan of action in place, follow it through and let us know how you get on ATB
Yes, because it's this Sunday and I only found out about it Wednesday evening it's too late to put a recorder in place. EnvHealth are available until 10pm Sunday, but previous experience suggest things won't kick off until after then.
Annoyingly I thought a few weeks ago about asking for a recorder for this weekend, but talked myself out of it as I didn't want to come across as paranoid to Env Health. Oh well, stupid me :)
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andrew68
Yes, because it's this Sunday and I only found out about it Wednesday evening it's too late to put a recorder in place. EnvHealth are available until 10pm Sunday, but previous experience suggest things won't kick off until after then.
Annoyingly I thought a few weeks ago about asking for a recorder for this weekend, but talked myself out of it as I didn't want to come across as paranoid to Env Health. Oh well, stupid me :)
Hmm well tbh you aren't being paranoid its not the first time there has been noise from them or the last, lesson learned eh ;) could you hire a recorder and good quality mike from some where it may help your case some what:yesyes: ATB