suicidal thoughts?

[wabbit1]

Not much has happened, I just got treatment for the physical effects of the overdose. I've pretty much been abandoned. Out for dinner at the moment so I will explain more when I get a chance.

[Elen]

Personally I think that we should be able to use the word suicide as it is an issue. There is a massive difference between mentioning it and talking about how you would do it.

I can relate to your problems. I am going through a rough time at the moment including having to spend last night in A&E due to thoughts like that and taking more risks.

I feel I'm failing at everything, I just don't feel worth it but I gotta believe things will get better if I am going to keep on going.

I hope your appointment with a psychiatrist is usefu.

That is also my understanding of the rules on the site wabbit. Fine to talk about feeling suicidal but not to go into details or threaten to do it.

Nigel, it is possible that your thoughts are being worse by the meds so definitely worth discussing with your GP.

On a positive note they sound like fleeting urges rather than you seeing suicide as being the actual solution to your situation.

Keep talking if you can, you are most definitely not alone in feeling like this.

[FinnHelton]

Nervousness, anxiety and when the things doesn't go in your favor such thoughts do come but you need to be strong and face every condition with smile

[Catherine S]

So remember, just as you're about to jump off that bridge or swallow that bottle of pills...smile!

See? this is why it's not ok to ask for help on a forum that's supposed to only deal with panic and anxiety. My thoughts are, either have a designated area of the forum for people who feel the need to end it all with professional therapists on hand to help, or completely ban these kinds of threads...and before you jump on me just think about it...please. Because according to the rules of the forum, suicide is ok to talk about as long as the method isn't mentioned, well correct me if I'm wrong but one member on this thread had told us about taking an overdose of tablets and ended up in A&E, presumably getting a stomach pump? These people need help, serious professional help...agreed? Are we the people to give it? Really?

ISB x

[MyNameIsTerry]

Nobody on here is qualified ISB and even if they were, the owner has a legal responsibility and would need to have agreed any official work on their behalf.

These threads can be filtered, as can posts, by the mods to ensure that they are ok for public viewing.

This thread isn't quite so simple anyway as the OP mentions this is intrusive thoughts and wabbit1 did mention taking an overdose in the past tense rather than planning to take an overdose which she is already being monitored by a medical professional. The mods could choose to delete that but then they will have to do the same for the rest which will reduce the severity of their past issues.

It's discussing future methods that are an issue that will fit under the owners legal responsibilities which therapists also monitor to conform to mental health legislation.

However, it can also be side effects of medication so it can allow a more rational mind to pose the reality of the situation that prompts the poster to contact their GP or emergency service.

MrAndy recently raised a thread about having an ignore thread button on the admins board where this was discussed and NMP explained their stance on these threads so perhaps ask your sub forum question on there?

[wabbit1]

ISB, I recognise that I need professional help but I also need someone to listen. If it weren't for the understanding of people on the site I'm sure I would have been looking at more hospital admissions. There is a lot to be said for peer support. Also I've pretty much been ignored by professionals over the Christmas break because they were on holiday. 'Most' of the people on here know to an extent how I'm feeling so I know I can talk to them without being judged. Or at least I thought I did.

Also no, I didn't need my stomach pumped, I find the way you have written that very judgemental and incredibly unhelpful. I think you'll find I never mentioned what I took or how many I took which I could've told you.

[Elen]

Isb There are many threads I avoid for a variety of reasons simples.

Again there is a huge difference between discussing feelings and threatening to take action.

Being so judgemental is not helpful when people are already feeling fragile

[venusbluejeans]

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There is a big difference between the 'suicidal' threads we allow on here and for a while we had that every thread with the word suicide in we reviewed before letting them on the site, let me see if I can explain......

I have suicidal thoughts, I am getting help but getting these thoughts.

The above threads are fine for the forum as hopefully some people may have had issues like these too and be able to help...... the threads where it is obvious that the OP knows these thoughts are wrong and are looking for reassurance.

I am about to take an overdose, I am am taking my life, I have taken an overdose, I am heading to the train station my life isn't worth Living...

The above threads are the ones that we would delete, it may seem harsh BUT we have to think of all of our members, and the dramatic statuses (many I do not think the poster would actually be doing anything) make members panic. they put additional pressure/worry on members who are already mentally ill who feel useless that they can not help these members.

When we delete these threads, we point the member towards the thread we have with all of the helpline numbers on it.

It is another reason we ask people to make their thread titles clear as to what they are asking, so if a person is triggered by a particular subject then they can avoid that particular thread

I hope this explains things a little.

[A Nervous Nigel]

I think you have spotted the difference between depression triggered and anxiety triggered and this is a thread for the OCD board. This comes under intrusive thoughts, which we all get, but these types are common to Pure O sufferers or those with various forms of OCD.

Hey Terry! I was just looking back over the post and wondered what you meant by Pure O Sufferers? And also I when I thought of someone with OCD I imagined it to be a person that turns the lights off and on so many times before leaving the room or washing their hands loads ect. But is this true? Is there other forms of OCD?

When I look back to my teenage life I actually did some things, which looking back would seem a bit OCDish.. Like if I hit my leg of a table I would have to do the same with my other leg twice then with the original leg after lol. And now I check the taps like 3 or 4 times before I leave the bathroom if I used the taps.. Little things like that which dont have a big effect on my life but still happens. Perhaps then if OCD can be in different forms, my suicidal thoughts could be linked in with that? I'm not sure. I dont know much about OCD.

What I am getting sick of is not being diagnosed with anything? I have been on anti depressants and pregabalin and propranolol, but not one single doctors has ever said 'oh you have major depressive disorder' or 'you have generalised anxiety disorder' or anything along those lines. I understand we may not even fit in to one single category but it would be nice to be told whats wrong with you before they give you medication or before they recommend therapy or counselling, because when I got referred to counselling they asked 'so whats up? and what do you want to get from this?' Well I dont know, what did my doctor say lol.

Its will be 2 weeks tomorrow since I had my psychiatrist (mental health) assessment, and I havent heard anything! I cant go to doctors as I am back home from uni for xmas period. I would have liked someone to ring me by now and just say what might happen next and ask if my circumstances have changed ect. I wish I could afford to go private but I would have to win the lottery before that happens!


These suicidal thoughts have been constant for a few months now.. but I remember a time before them.. I really hope that within a few months I can look back and think 'oh I haven't had a thought like that in a while'

[MyNameIsTerry]

Yeah, I was the same as you in how I thought of OCD before I started suffering with it because my view had been the typical one shown to us by the media. A lot of my issues also didn't fall into that narrow scope and if was only when I started searching the Internet that I leant more about it.

Pure O is where the distress comes from intrusive thoughts eg thoughts of being attracted to people you believe you shouldn't such as family members, children including your own, God, the same sex if you are straight or the opposite sex if you are gay. Other examples are such as thoughts to harm others, destructive analysing of relationships, and Magical Thinking where you do irrational counter processes in your head to prevent such as harm coming to others. Some can also be bad on religion and failing to satisfy ideals so that you seek some form of cleansing whether outward or inward.

These can also combine with outward rituals eg my Magical Thinking splits into two categories; 1) thinking of a family member in a bad light hence needing to 'cancel' the danger out with an outward touching ritual and 2) the sane but where I am touching an object so have to get the touch 'just right'. I have a lesser third one where I may have an image of someone I dislike so need to do the above but with someone I do like in my mind.

Combined with my other touching and checking ago day rituals, it was exhausting.

OCD is quite diverse. It's quite common to have eating dossiers disorders with it or OCD centred around food issues are even lesser known forms such as Sensorimotor OCD which is where you feel the need to control bodily functions, commonly blinking swallowing or breathing which can be distressing as it's a constant issue.

So, when I read your first post I didn't get the impression that you were feeling depressed to the point of taking action but were just getting her thoughts like a voice from your subconscious which is like intrusive thoughts (as long as its not a real voice that is) so could be OCD.

Its worth considering.

Your GP sounds like mine. He diagnosed me with anxiety then changed it to depression because of the mood swings from starting Citalopram and it took my relapse because be changed it then when he asked "is it more anxiety than depression? " and I replied "yes, it's always been anxiety! ". Even now OCD isn't on my notes despite feedback from the therapist be referred me to as she's said they weren't allowed top diagnose! I'm not fully sure how useful it is to very a property diagnosis if you can work with a specialist who can tell you anyway aside from perhaps choosing the right form of therapy if it means referrals to separate places.

They sound have told you when they will very back to you, always push for our you send up in the queue sometimes. If they don't respond, push your GP to chase them as they remain your primary care provider. It could be due to Christmas but its not like that places close like an office, its going to be that they reduce their services.

In terms of severity, have you been asked to fill in a risk assessment? If will ask questions like "do you feel life isn't worth living", "rate your willingness to end your life on a scale of 1-10", "have you considered how to do it", "what prevents you from doing it", etc. If you mark your willingness to do as very low, you will likely be considered low risk.