Copyright Directive Panic

[FrankT]

I refer you to my post above.

[Bigboyuk]

True, but then again, is it any different or irrational than a brain eating amoeba or the myriad of irrational fears posted here?

Positive thoughts

True I guess it's another fear to some people Have you read the article? ATB

[MyNameIsTerry]

True I guess it's another fear to some people Have you read the article? ATB

Well it could be a problem for any website including this one. All those memes we've posted on here for instance would be illegal as the owner hasn't agreed their use on here.

Imagine any of us cut & pasting sections of websites, we would have to ensure the owner has stated that's allowed and how is Nic going to know? And Nic would also have to have a policy about use of info on here that she owns.

But it's a very vague policy and as such is likely to get thrashed out into something a bit more realistic. At the moment it's open to the conspiracy theorist.

But then don't the EU parliament vote down various bilge raised?

Anyway I thought the internet was going to collapse because the government want age verification and people buying porn passes from the local newsagent? "A pack of polos, copy of The Times and oh, erm, a porn pass please"

[Fishmanpa]

True I guess it's another fear to some people Have you read the article? ATB

Yep, and I see it as a positive to protect the original artists. I'm in the music/print industry and understand these laws (at least the US laws) quite well. I wouldn't want something I created or a likeness to be used without permission. Creativity is about originality. I can't see how this would hinder anyone's creative process.

Positive thoughts

[MyNameIsTerry]

We've already got copyright laws that can be enforced and have had for a long time. This is an advancement to tighter regulation of the Single Market.

It seems it's about putting the emphasis onto ISSPs employing software to stop it more thoroughly. The rest of the world outside of the EU member states can keep doing what they do now but those inside member states will be getting shielded by new software in a way that sounds like how they already have media blackouts for super injunctions.

But won't people just get around it with VPN's?

The argument for Internet people is that it's all the slippery slope. Our government wants to protect children from accessing damaging online porn through age verification and you want to see the complaining that has unleashed...by adults. The government wants to push the Dark Web further away and the same crowd complain their rights are being infringed because the internet should be a free place.

That "free place" has been a festering pit of hate & criminality since it's creation. But people are also concerned this is the slippery slope to being another Russia or China. And now Uganda where the pres is annoyed with dissent so now he can collect taxes and tie you better to your comments...which is worrying in such a country. I bet a lot if Americans would be annoyed given their Amendments arguments.

It's a Trump wall! But then so are many areas of EU policy that maintain higher standards e.g. US foods being prevented from our shores, a concern for our post Brexit world.

[Bigboyuk]

Well it could be a problem for any website including this one. All those memes we've posted on here for instance would be illegal as the owner hasn't agreed their use on here.

Imagine any of us cut & pasting sections of websites, we would have to ensure the owner has stated that's allowed and how is Nic going to know? And Nic would also have to have a policy about use of info on here that she owns.

But it's a very vague policy and as such is likely to get thrashed out into something a bit more realistic. At the moment it's open to the conspiracy theorist.

But then don't the EU parliament vote down various bilge raised?

Anyway I thought the internet was going to collapse because the government want age verification and people buying porn passes from the local newsagent? "A pack of polos, copy of The Times and oh, erm, a porn pass please"

Tbh with you I think its unforcable every corner of the Globe has some sort of internet connection So it's impossible to 'police' every single post, comment, pasted things etc. so that's another reason why it's not really worth worrying about. Exactly it will get amended lots of times before this gets passed. ATB

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We've already got copyright laws that can be enforced and have had for a long time. This is an advancement to tighter regulation of the Single Market.

It seems it's about putting the emphasis onto ISSPs employing software to stop it more thoroughly. The rest of the world outside of the EU member states can keep doing what they do now but those inside member states will be getting shielded by new software in a way that sounds like how they already have media blackouts for super injunctions.

But won't people just get around it with VPN's?

The argument for Internet people is that it's all the slippery slope. Our government wants to protect children from accessing damaging online porn through age verification and you want to see the complaining that has unleashed...by adults. The government wants to push the Dark Web further away and the same crowd complain their rights are being infringed because the internet should be a free place.

That "free place" has been a festering pit of hate & criminality since it's creation. But people are also concerned this is the slippery slope to being another Russia or China. And now Uganda where the pres is annoyed with dissent so now he can collect taxes and tie you better to your comments...which is worrying in such a country. I bet a lot if Americans would be annoyed given their Amendments arguments.

It's a Trump wall! But then so are many areas of EU policy that maintain higher standards e.g. US foods being prevented from our shores, a concern for our post Brexit world.

Exactly Terry And yes the use of VPN's and heavily encrypted browsers so people will get round it for sure And rightly so we have to protect our children (the internet has a lot to answer for regarding this sadly) As the same applies to the horrible dark web, I am sure I read some where the creator of the WWW is actually saddened by this, who is to blame? The damn people of this planet (not every one mind you) ATB

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Yep, and I see it as a positive to protect the original artists. I'm in the music/print industry and understand these laws (at least the US laws) quite well. I wouldn't want something I created or a likeness to be used without permission. Creativity is about originality. I can't see how this would hinder anyone's creative process.

Positive thoughts

Yes I can understand that FMP Guess we see what happens! ATB

[FrankT]

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-44546620

Good bye internet

[Catherine S]

Not sure losing the internet would be a problem Frank...frankly. However, if Maccie-D's stopped making Big Macs, THAT would be catastrophic :

[FrankT]

You should know that I started having suicidal thoughts since I heard the news. I mean, I reckon I'll be okay with Amazon and Steam and that, but... how can I go on without fan sites, fan works - any of that? I'll never be able to watch Twitch TV again! What'll be the point of going on?

[Bigboyuk]

You should know that I started having suicidal thoughts since I heard the news. I mean, I reckon I'll be okay with Amazon and Steam and that, but... how can I go on without fan sites, fan works - any of that? I'll never be able to watch Twitch TV again! What'll be the point of going on?

Frank I think you are putting too many eggs in one basket (and yes we are all different) but seriously you can go on with out it, there is more to life than the internet Frank take care ATB