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View Poll Results: (Check all that apply) I suffer from GAD/panic and...
...I also have pain/discomfort in my gut on a regular basis 8 53.33%
...I also have chronic pain/discomfort in a specific area of my body other than my gut 8 53.33%
...I have chronic pain/discomfort, but not in a specific area of my body 1 6.67%
...I have no chronic pain or discomfort 3 20.00%
...OTC painkillers (eg. Paracetamol) help with both my pain and my anxiety 2 13.33%
...OTC painkillers help with my pain but not my anxiety 2 13.33%
...OTC painkillers don't help with my pain or anxiety 5 33.33%
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Old 14-08-18, 01:39
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Re: Do you have GAD/panic? If so do you also have an ongoing problem with physical pa

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That's interesting - I hadn't heard about that, but it certainly backs up my 'theory'. Meditation could fall into the same category.


The evidence just keeps on mounting. What if ... just imagine ... WHAT IF I'm right about this.

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The latest drug they have me on is Mirtazapine. I just checked and guess what - its effective at treating chronic pain. Google "Mirtazapine pain" and you'll find the study. The very first thing I noticed when I took the first pill was that my gut stopped bothering me.
Mindfulness and therapeutic forms such as CBT aim to change how you feel about your symptoms and your situation. You learn to accept it and learn to be more positive about it. So much the same as they are used to treat mental health conditions.

I would be wary of bias with your theory as many more people who suffer painful conditions, or traumas, never go on to become mental health disorder sufferers. So it can't be as formulaic as one creates the other there is a big question mark over why it also doesn't, pretty much that Holy Grail of anxiety disorders we would al like to get a firm answer from the medical world on. And comorbidity doesn't have to mean causality.
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Old 14-08-18, 02:28
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Re: Do you have GAD/panic? If so do you also have an ongoing problem with physical pa

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many more people who suffer painful conditions, or traumas, never go on to become mental health disorder sufferers
The basis of my idea is that pain/discomfort (even subconscious signals) are interpreted by some people's minds in such a way as to trigger anxiety/panic/depression. So it could, in that sense, be described as a malfunction in the brain.
The people who have the malfunction are diagnosed with GAD/panic/depression, and given pills to 'treat' their minds.
Perhaps we could, instead, cure the root cause/trigger or simply find ways to prevent the trigger from firing.
I am only a sample size of one, but I know that this makes sense in the framework of my own experience. I have also read many experiences of other people that broadly align with my 'theory', along with the scientific studies I have mentioned (loperamide, paracetamol, anti-inflammatory drugs/supplements/herbs, the gut-brain connection, pain and anxiety activating the same areas of the brain, anti-depressants as painkillers, dietary anxiety triggers, links between auto-immune inflammation and diet, and probably some more that I'm forgetting).
I'm sure you'd agree that even if this only works with 5% of sufferers, it would still be worth pursuing. But I think there's something real here.
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Re: Do you have GAD/panic? If so do you also have an ongoing problem with physical pa

I doubt any of us on here would disagree that they have the potential to cause a disorder as many people's HA has come from something traumatic whether mental or physical and then we have Adjustment Disorders, PTSD, etc.

It's something worth understanding but it's going to be one of many reasons I suspect as many more go through the same and don't experience our disorders therefore there is at least another factor involved, a pre-disposition as some might say.

I suspect you are looking into Methylation. That would tie in with a pain disorder creating an environment where the negative can thrive but again, it's only some people. What if there is no pre-disposition? Maybe some have a gene that can be flicked to "on" but that's not enough because otherwise it would mean some people are bulletproof to such traumas however it could be argued that since our genes can change throughout life Methylation can always be in play.

And what part of the body has the most genes? Yep, it's gut!

Like with PTSD, why do some people experience it whilst others don't in the same circumstances? Why do some HAers on here experience their HA starting from health scares or bereavements whilst the majority of the population don't? All very complicated stuff!
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Re: Do you have GAD/panic? If so do you also have an ongoing problem with physical pa

Like I said, I'm not a scientist, but I have noticed several things that seem to have a link to anxiety, along with symptoms that tend to be present in anxiety sufferers, such as :
- Methylation
- Histamine
- Sulphites
The common factor to all of this seems to be inflammation.
The inflammation is largely thought to be an auto-immune response.
Many of the 'supplements' that come up when looking into this have natural anti-inflammatory properties (eg. curcumin).

So what I have so far is :
- Genetic bad luck creates an auto-immune response to [chemical x]. This can happen suddenly and at any point during a person's lifetime.
- Auto-immune response either triggers pain/discomfort or simply 'silent warning messages' that are not consciously perceived by the brain.
- Conscious mind attempts to make sense of the pain/warning signals.
- If the mind cannot properly process the data (perhaps for genetic reasons, perhaps due to life experience) then it cannot properly 'solve' the problem that it is presented with.
- Conscious mind attempts to fill in the gaps
- Anxiety, panic, depression, perhaps even OCD ensue.
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