Schiz OCD(?)

[scareeed]

Hey justopallo how are u holding with shiz ocd? Any progres in overcoming it? Im still the same, cant get it out of my mind,always looking for shizophrenic symptoms in me. I have a huge fear that there is a small line between (fear we feel in ocd) and (fear that shizophrenic person feels with his delusion).

[Duchesskitty]

I just want to say, I used to work with people with psychosis and I’m going to be frank with you: if you truly were psychotic, you would not be worrying about it and able to rationalise it. Psychosis is defined by a split from reality, so hallucination, delusions, ideas of reference which are pretty set and someone believes truly. Some acutely psychotic would think these experiences completely reasonable and would not be saying “what if I have x experience”?
I was always told that if you can sit outside your thoughts etc and debate them, that isn’t psychosis! I think you have classic rumination, obsessive thoughts and intrusive thoughts!

[MyNameIsTerry]

I just want to say, I used to work with people with psychosis and I’m going to be frank with you: if you truly were psychotic, you would not be worrying about it and able to rationalise it. Psychosis is defined by a split from reality, so hallucination, delusions, ideas of reference which are pretty set and someone believes truly. Some acutely psychotic would think these experiences completely reasonable and would not be saying “what if I have x experience”?
I was always told that if you can sit outside your thoughts etc and debate them, that isn’t psychosis! I think you have classic rumination, obsessive thoughts and intrusive thoughts!

You're absolutely right. NHS documentation found about such matters says excatly the same too. We've had a few members who have experienced psychosis or seen it in others and it's night & day compared to any worries on here about losing your mind.

It must be challenging to work with people experiencing it.

Fear of schizophrenia is so common in OCD it even got coined Schiz OCD by sufferers (there are plenty of similiar threads across NMP). But then anxiety is often about fear of losing control and this is just another way that manifests in us.

[Juustopallo]

I'm not completely over it but it doesn't bother me anymore. I do get short moments of obsessive thinking but I've learned new ways to manage them. The more you engage in real life, the more you'll create distance to the obsession. One shouldn't however run from oneself, but do the important things while having the stuff in your head. One thing I realized that looking for solutions was and is the main fuel behind the obsession. As simple as it sounds, when you stop the compulsions (even the mental ones) the obsessions start to fade away.

You must give yourself permission to feel anything and have any thought, image, urge etc in your head. I'm not sure what your compulsions are but I tried to run away from my symptoms and ultimately myself to constant analyzing, google searches, podcasts, smoking, porn, and any activity that would be loud enough to make me not experience those thoughts. When I stopped doing that and let myself feel the negative thoughts, I started to realize it was increasingly easier for me to get out of the obsession by just living a normal life. The feeling would fade away on its own. And it did so easier/quicker every time. It's so hard to put it in words but you'll learn by yourself what I mean. The best way for me to get out of my head was to extrovert my senses by spending time with other people. Every time when I felt like I had to leave, go to the bathroom to secretly google about my symptoms, obsess etc, I would engage myself in conversations about anything but my ocd. It felt like I was cheating on myself but soon those urges to obsess started to cease.

One thing that was and is also helpful for me was to get known to Carl Jung, Joseph Campbell and other mythologists. Their philpsophy has helped me tremendously to see my suffering as a meaningful, almost heroic path to more complete and stronger self. What once used to be unreasonable suffering, now has a context and meaning. There are countless examples in myths all around the world of acrhetypal heroes getting over the necessary obstacles. These aren't stories about historical events, they are stories about us. I'd be happy to write more on the subject if anyone is interested. Of course these guys' philpsophy isn't for everyone since they talk a lot about religion, but as a spiritual guy I've found their work very helpful.

Hopefully you'll find these tips helpful! You'll get over this! It's just a matter of learning the necessary skills to overcome it! Step by step you'll find it to be easier I promise!

[Juustopallo]

Hello friends! How are you doing?

[vekiqf]

If you have a fear of developing Schiz result is that you will never get it ..more chances are that North Korea become state like Switzerland in one year compared to your risk to develop schiz...schiz people dont question their thoughts for them they are real...if they have hallucinations they hear them for real like you hear when somebody is talking to you...if they beleive that somebody is watching them they do and you cant convince them opposite....You have OCD and you must fight with it...if you want to take any meds best one for me was Zoloft..but CBT is most important..especially expose to the fear. When my obsession was on peak my doctor arranged that I go to mental hopital and talk with people with schiz...for start it was terrifying but after few visists I was much better...not only that I realized that I cant develop it but I also learnd that this mental problem is not something that will destroy my life and that it is managable with descent therapy and meds. I suggest that you apply on some group for support of this type of mental patients it will be hard but it will help you..

1st - People with OCD very often have this fear
2nd - If you have OCD you cant develop schiz as these are totally diferent disorders

I had this same fear but I managed to get ridd of it...now I have a fear of heart attack but OCD always find different obsession and very funny is that old fear looks very easy compared to new ones...

[AntsyVee]

If you have a fear of developing Schiz result is that you will never get it ..more chances are that North Korea become state like Switzerland in one year compared to your risk to develop schiz...schiz people dont question their thoughts for them they are real...if they have hallucinations they hear them for real like you hear when somebody is talking to you...if they beleive that somebody is watching them they do and you cant convince them opposite....You have OCD and you must fight with it...if you want to take any meds best one for me was Zoloft..but CBT is most important..especially expose to the fear. When my obsession was on peak my doctor arranged that I go to mental hopital and talk with people with schiz...for start it was terrifying but after few visists I was much better...not only that I realized that I cant develop it but I also learnd that this mental problem is not something that will destroy my life and that it is managable with descent therapy and meds. I suggest that you apply on some group for support of this type of mental patients it will be hard but it will help you..

1st - People with OCD very often have this fear
2nd - If you have OCD you cant develop schiz as these are totally diferent disorders

I had this same fear but I managed to get ridd of it...now I have a fear of heart attack but OCD always find different obsession and very funny is that old fear looks very easy compared to new ones...

Exactly ^^^