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imported_n/a
22-04-04, 19:47
hi all i had an appointment today with a physciatrist,actually thought i might be able to get some help of this guy[:0]noy so ,,i was in there a total of ten minutes after waing 30 mins to see him ,he never give me any real advice or help he just said i was suffering with g,a,d,which i could have told him that and saved the n,h,s,the cost of me going there,i asked him if he would be able to refer me to see a C,B,T, he give me a big smile and said no sorry none in hull:(couldnt believe it all he said he could do is recomend anti deppessant which i told him i was scared to take and he shuffled me out of the door,,,,a week previous i saw my doctor again see if he could refer me to a c,b,t, and he said NO sorry none in this area ,i would really like to try c,b,t ,as i have heard so many positive things about it and i have also read books on the subject,,but here are 2 supposedly professional people and neither 1 are prepered to give me the help i need ,,all they seem to want to do is prescribe me drugs ??/what can i do now i am really feeling rather desparate now as i have no more real faith in doctors,,so where do i go from here just stay in my apartment i guess and not go out anywhere ??or turn to alcohol to give me the courage to go out,,really am at my wits end now ,,but am really happy i have found this site as it helps a little ,,thanks guys singed ,desparate[xx(]

april tones
22-04-04, 20:40
hi, im on year waiting list for cbt. have you tried councelling? i had good counceller few months ago and she helped me alot and taught me few techniques. I too was scared of taking meds, i did take seroxat few years ago, they did work but i didnt want to take any this time round when i got post natal deppression. I got desperate and couldnt go on any longer, i went to docs and talked about everything and he gave me some meds, i had mega panic attack bout taking them and felt crap for first two tabs but then i was fine, still am, been on them for 5 weeks and no side effects now, id reccomend them! im getting my life back and dont feel scared of everythink any more, have a think about it, april

apriltones

nomorepanic
22-04-04, 21:04
Darren

Sorry to hear that cos I know you were looking forward to getting some help.

I agree that medication is not always the answer and admire you for trying to get some help. As April says can you get counselling instead?

When they say there is none in Hull do you mean none local to you or none full-stop?

I can't believe that you are unable to get help - that is a terrible state of affairs isn't it?

I wish I could help but I am not sure how yet so let me think ok?

Good on you for going today anyway and don't give in yet ok?

Nicola

apm
22-04-04, 21:23
Darren- contact nopanic (linked from the links page of this website). They have local support groups, and a group telephone recovery scheme that uses a cbt model. There's a bit of a wait, but only a couple of weeks. Check them out- could be a way to access some cbt if the availability is poor in your area.

Hope this helps,

Alex.



Outside a dog, a book is a man's best friend.
Inside a dog, it's too dark to read.
-Groucho Marx.

blossom
22-04-04, 22:11
Hi April Tones, I read your message on the forum, it is so hard to get even a councellor where I live in Hertfordshire, I was refused CBT as I took diazepam, and she would not even entertain the idea of me having it. What anti-depressants did they put you on if you dont mind me asking, Pleased you are feeling better on them, Thanks from Blossom

Meg
23-04-04, 10:17
Darren,

This is off the BABCP website.

You could ring this chaps secretary or email him and explain that your GP and a pschyiatrist says there are no CBT people in Hull.

He doesn't do home visits but as you got somewhere to see the Psychy you may be able to go to see him or someone he can suggest instead.

I don't expect he'll be too amused to find he doesn't exist !



Details for: Dr. Michael Wang

Address 1 Dept. of Clinical Psychology School of Medicine University of Hull HULL HU6 7RX

Address 2

Telephone 1 01482 465416

Telephone 2 Fax 01482 466155

Email M.Wang@medschool.hull.ac.uk

Website

Accepts Direct Referrals No

Accepts NHS Referrals Yes
Accepts Private Referrals No

Does Home Visits No

Disabled Access Yes
Language spoken (as well as English)

Specialisms: Adult Mental Health,Addictions,Relationships (eg sexual marital family),Disaster and Trauma,General Health Problems,Anxiety/Panic/Stress and Phobias,Obsessive Compulsive Disorders,Depression,Eating Disorders,.

Let us know how you get on

Meg

Meg
23-04-04, 10:23
Darren,

I've just spoken to Prof Wangs secretary - Claire who was not happy to hear your GPs helpful plan.

Prog Wang is away this week but she said that if you called her on the above number and left your details she would get him to ring you when he had some time and try and see where things have gone wrong for you in the system . She confirmed that there are CBT provsions in Hull.

Your turn now

Meg

nomorepanic
23-04-04, 13:38
Meg

Wow you are a star for doing that for Darren. I bet he will be chuffed!!

Thanks

Nicola

Shelley
23-04-04, 15:36
Hi

I had 3 months worth of seeing a psycologist - she was brilliant, I have erradicated 90% of my safety baviours and understand why I feel the way I do when I panic - I really wished I had had this treatment in the beginning, unfortunately due to poor resourses it took 18 months! I take no medication now and I'm looking forward to life again, one thing I have learnt is that avoiding things / situations makes life harder and I picking up safety baviours makes life harder they dont help us they just make the PA last long - dont get me wrong I'm not keen (absolutely hate) trains but I hated motorways 12 months ago now I travel on them fine - it's all just a matter of time and pushing yourself.....Push your doctor for these kind of treatments, the pills just mask the problem.

Take Care

Shelley x

Shell

jonny
23-04-04, 16:53
I too asked my GP for some other treament other than meds and was told bluntly that there was none.
But then i happened to mention that i have private medical insurance through my employer and that made all the difference.
I think the problem is that the NHS is is such a poor state and our problem is so common that what little help there is available is stretched to the limit. And i would imagine that Pdocs can make a hell of a lot more outside of the NHS too. Mine charges £100 per hour.

GPs do there best i am sure but i think the only real treament available to them is meds...and even them have cost restrictions on them.

Jonny.

imported_n/a
23-04-04, 19:52
wow thank you so much meg,i am going to get on the phone in the morning and if it does happen to be to far for me i am going to get there no matter what,,thank you again meg you really have made my day and lifted my spirits,,darren,xxx

imported_n/a
23-04-04, 20:12
thank you everone for your support it really does mean so muc to me ,,i was all ready to give up and give in to this ,,but now after my bad day with the so called physciatrist offering no help other than medication,,you all have most certainatly given me the hope to carry on with this see it through and come out the other end ,,once again special thanks to meg xxx darrenxxx

stimpy
24-04-04, 21:58
I think Darren has hit the nail on the head there.
These services do exsist, they just don't want you to have access to them, to save them money !

Well done to Meg, for finding out such great information for you.

Hang in there, I'm sure help will come your way, even if you have to fight for it.





Love, light and Best wishes
Liz xxx
With hard work and determination and all the things you know.
The world is there for you to take. There's nowhere you can't go.


[:p]Scatty Eccentric & 'Poet Laureate to panic and anxiety'

imported_n/a
25-04-04, 19:52
thanks liz,,its great to have so many wonderful people here to help,,but not sure if i can find the strenght to try and fight for help as well as fight the panic,,as you are all probebly aware it does take yor strenght the panic ,,and of course leaves you drained ,,so where can you find the strenght to fight the system also,,when it should be there waiting for you if you need it we shouldnt have to fight should we,,thanks lizxxx,,,xxdarren

nomorepanic
25-04-04, 21:39
Darren

I am very disappointed in your docs and not helping more. You went to them in good faith asking for help not asking for DRUGS and they still let you down.

I do hope that the contact Meg has found you can really help you and you get what you need and deserve.

Chin up Darren, you found us here and we can help like I said and we WILL get you there ok?
x

Nicola

stimpy
26-04-04, 09:55
I know just what you mean about fighting the system - it feels like I've been doing it for years.

I used to work for the CSA and I couldn't handle it, people wanted help, I wanted to give them help. I couldn't understand why someone didn't just sit down and get on with it instead of passing it to 6 different departments only for a bemused punter to ring up and demand to know what is going on.

When my son was 18 months old, I told everyone there was something wrong with him, the pleas fell on deaf ears. At the age of 6 someone finally told me he was autistic. My answer was - yes I've been telling everyone this since he was 18 months old, if someone had listened to me in the first place we wouldn't be having this conversation!

Years later ...
I need help, I have 2 special needs children. I can't cope with them during the holidays. I'm at my wits end, I need a rest. Please help me ... (repeat several hundred times)

The answer:
Your social worker - only works part time, has been off sick for 6 weeks, is on a training course, will (not) call you back.

Bring on the panic attacks and anxiety, caused through brain injury due to smacking my head off a brick wall for the last 9 years!

I now have 2 hours of peace on a friday - thanks to kids club, and still no help during the school holidays.

Due to under-funding, staff shortages, and so many people wanting the same help as we do. We have to fight, but we shouldn't have to do.

My best advice is to make a complete pest of yourself. Make sure they know your name, so it is you they put forward for the help.
Failing that you can always go to casualty and demand that some one from the mental health team assess you. (Bit drastic - but gets you seen.)

It is hard to fight when you are physically exhaused from panicing, but unfortunately it is something we have to do.

Hang in there Darren.

Love, light and Best wishes
Liz xxx
With hard work and determination and all the things you know.
The world is there for you to take. There's nowhere you can't go.


[:p]Scatty Eccentric & 'Poet Laureate to panic and anxiety'

Jules31
26-04-04, 15:59
Darren

let us know how you get on with the details Meg got for you (Meg, you are brilliant). I'm sure CBT will help you out, I'm in the middle of doing it. You could still go back to your dr and see if you can get any counselling, they must have some and usually there is a long waiting list so it might be worth getting on it now. I had to pay for my CBT because it was going to take so long to come through on the NHS.

I know what you mean about some psychs. I saw one privately and although he did refer me to a CBT therapist, he did keep trying to shove drugs at me for a while and for the first few visits I was only there for probably ten minutes at the most. Eventually I sat down and made him listen to me and then I only got half an hour out of him.

I really do wish you well.

Jules

red
26-04-04, 16:33
Hi Darren

Don't know how you are doing with getting hold of some treatment but I found this on the National Phobics website. They offer members discounted help. In Hull they ahve the following available......

Hull
Clinical hypnotherapy
Counselling
Fast phobia technique
Neuro-linguistic programming

Might be worth a try.

Good luck

Red
x

Meg
28-04-04, 13:41
Darren,

What was the outcome from when you rang his secretary ?


Meg

'There can only be true courage when first there is genuine fear'

Dr.David Livingstone

imported_n/a
28-04-04, 20:14
hi guys ,meg i called his secratery and left a vary nice message explaining my predicament,,and have yet to hear from her,,but if i dont hear anything up until monday i will call again and hopefully speak to her,,thanks meg i will let you know how i get on ok ,,thanks red gonna give that one a go also thanksxx,,and jules i have had councelling i have my last app next weds lovely lady it has helped a little just talking about it after keeping it to myself for such a long time was a great relife ,i am the doctors again in the morning,,but this time armed with a letter of complaint ready if i dont get any help,,will let you all know how i get on thank you guys so much you really are a true help,,xxxdarrenxx

Meg
28-04-04, 22:10
Call again in the am - before you go to your docs if time allows. He may need to write you a referral letter.

Meg

Meg

'There can only be true courage when first there is genuine fear'

Dr.David Livingstone

april tones
30-04-04, 21:07
hi blossom, sorry i took so long to reply. Only just noticed it and havent been on for few days. Im on effexor venaflaxine and they are brill! feeling so good at moment, dont feel im on any thing which is very good. So your gp said you cant have cbt as your on diazepam?thats strange, poor you. Has any one else on here heard off that? Have you got depression or anxiety etc? love april

apriltones

Shelley
18-05-04, 12:37
After recently speaking to friends regarding resouces I found that where my doctors is (North Manchester) has the longest waiting lists, I waited from Nov. 2001 to January 2004 all in all it was a very frustrating time, yet when I speak to people who come under different health authorities they have waited weeks!!! Maybe I should have just changed doctors (where I live now I would have come under a different health authority!!). One little gem my doctor did say, I might add here that I was at quite a low eb at the time was "well if you can afford it the Priory have some very good Therapists" I'm sorry do I pay my NI each month for the fun of it! Oh well in the end it all turned out okay I had a brilliant therapist (she was actually a final year student!) who pushed me and worked hard - it was just a pitty I had to go through months of anxiety. Dont be afraid to badger your doctor I know they have a hard time as it is but so do you x

Shell

imported_n/a
18-05-04, 19:48
hey thanks shelly,,i did write a letter of complaint to my dr and i am waiting for the outcome i thimk he knows now how serious i am aabout needing this treatment,,what treatment did you have??and did it help you,,cause all i have at the moment is my self motivation to push myself to do self exposure therapy ,,how hard is that,,thnks shellyxxx darrenxxx

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