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Does it ever go away!!!!! It's bloody hard as I never know when it's gonna happen as I have no known triggers and aware all in my head but I can't seem to do anything about it.
Sending you hugs Nic. Do you know of any reason you not well again ??
tracey and nicola sending you both :hugs:
i know how hard this is to get through but you will both get there
hope it all went well for you today nicola and tracey take it east hun things will get better just take it 1 day at a time and try not to fight it hard i know xx
Hi pink thanks for your kind words.
I'm still much the same and scared as longest blip ive had. I'm seeing gp fri and asking to try xanax when I'm really bad.
Dont know how much more of this I can take and thinking this is what I will have to deal with for rest of my life.
Omg sounds self pitying which I hate lol...
Hows everyone else.?
Hi pink hope your ok
Tracey, try not to panic I know it's easy said than done. But what I think your doing know is monitoring your self and how you feel(been there got the big t shirt)
Just think, you've gone weeks before without any blips(that's more than I have and my episode is nearly two years Sept) bet you have been to work today? If so then you have done great hun,your nerves are sensitized at the moment and on alert. Try saying f...k off I don't care come on do your worse! I bet you, it goes no further.
It's not easy Tracey I know that I've suffered 25 years on and off and I hate it like everybody else I've been to he'll and back believe me to the point that I thought I was going mad. Only just now having some good days.
You will get there, well you already have for weeks remember! Don't keep it to yourself bottled up how your feeling talk to your husband,does he understand.
It's not self pity Tracey it's just the the way we feel when reaching out that's all.
Thanks clio
Omg 25 years of this crap really!!!!
I wish I could work out my triggers as seem to be none.
I went to work yes, I find being home even worse and sometimes talking normal to different peooke helos,
I do talk about it though and colleages find it hard to believe as I paint a smile on lol xxx
Yer I must of done something really bad in my life to be given this!!!
My psych told me there doesn't have to be a reason!
See you cope better than me, when I'm bad I just go in myself don't want to see or talk to people! Sound a right nutter don't I I'm not really honest!!!
My neighbours when they learnt I had anxiety couldn't believe it and even when my ex husband left me, with our 4 year old I kept a face on but inside a nervous wreck toes curled up with anxiety/stress as I was talking.
Take care xx
It's awful....
I have always been an anxious person but this is completely different it's a real feeling of dread and fear for no reason. Now whose the nutter lol xx
hi guys clio im like you when i was really bad i couldnt even talk on he phone really went into myself end i was even scared if my son was coming round never want to go back there again
tracey stop looking for a trigger hun and as clio says try not to fight it either
i think you are doing great going to work but is exhausting putting a face on it really drains us as long as you have somebody you can talk to as bottling it up is not good either
im ok still getting really brown in the sun been reading in my lounger but come in as its too hot not that im complaining lol
nicola how did you get on yesterday hope you are feeling better
:hugs: to everyone esle xxx
Thanks pink I'm still much the same and didn't sleep last night and trying my best to calm down all my physical symptoms back that not had for months.
It's really frustrating but doing my best xx
Pink that's exactly how I was/am still sometimes. Still am if I feel anxious can't be doing with people, just need to bring myself out of it. Scary what the mind turns you into.
I've had a good few days,than wham! Today was not good.
Yesterday afternoon was gardening with partner for couple hours and it must of been to much for me as I felt completely physically shattered that I felt ill and started to panic a bit.
I still had tea to make and try to focus and say to myself,your ok just get on with it your fine. It freaked my out never doing that much again!! Bloody Mark saying just do this bit more,he as not just gone through breakdown and menopausal lol I didn't how the strength to move for a couple hours. Something I have know got to remember. Didn't sleep well kept waking up.
Think this had knock on effect today, had an angry/anxious feeling and couldn't be bothered talking good job Mark went out for couple hours. Pushed myself to shops because if I didn't I would of been worse. Let's hope tomorrow is better day.
Tracy, you done well going to work! And not much sleep. Coming home and looking after 3 children and house is exhausting on no sleep so will have a knock on effect.
Nicola, did you go on ok at the psych on Monday, really hope things have got a little better this week for you.
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nicola1980
04-06-13, 20:27
Hi, well saw my psychiatrist but she didn't want to increase my venlafaxine although i literally begged her too lol, she thinks the dose Im on 187.5mg is sufficient enough for my anxiety disorder and that i would still have bad days but i need to work through them which i know but its so hard when your paralysed with fear :-( i just cried and cried after id seen her and cried again all morning :-( Im going on holiday in 6 weeks and i really want to be well and when i have good days Im like yeah Im there and then wham a bad day comes with the fear, panic etc and that's it i feel back to square one, yesterday i kept thinking what i must have done to deserve to be put through this :-( Im determined to beat it tho cause what other choice do i have? Love to all x x x
Thanks Clio, I'm still awake now finding a private clinic for women's health to try and rule that out.
Nic big hugs coming your way to.
I been asking gordens advice on inceease as he on sertraline he doesnt think will help and told me its my hormones lol..,
nicola1980
04-06-13, 20:44
Tracy Im convinced its my hormones, Im only 33 tho! Just been prescribed the pill as my gp thinks this will help so we'll see, not took the pill for years! X x
Nicola and Tracy when you have a min go on menopausematters, it's a great site.
lots of info and they have a forum, might give you some insight.
God I hate this illness, few good days,then horrible days why does it play about with us so. Why can't it even out your serotonin levels everyday to be the same so when we get on the right dose we stay good.
Thanks Clio I will look at that. Nic I'm 39 but my mum was 35 when hers started and 37 when put on hrt. I have had many of the symptoms.
Clio I'm on the pill and maybe its not enough now as gynaecologist put me on it for the symptoms I had couple years ago xx
Tracy on that site at the top of the page there's a 'find a specialist' put your postcode in. Just a thought x
Hi al
sorry not been on for a while. Like you Tracey going through another blip...a long one again. trying to carry on as normal but so hard. Been crying so much. somedays I think I would cry all day but I try hard to stop it. i try distract myself but findind that difficult too. does diazepam make you low. My anxiety is always worse in the morning so doc sugessted I take 10mgs first thing. It seems that after I take this my mood lowers and I don't want to do anything. I feel blank, low, nothing seems to give me any joy. is this how you all feel? i feel as bad as when it first started.
sorry for this low post
Anni xxxx
Anni,
That's exactly how I feel when I'm having a bad day. It's like I know as soon as I open my eyes! I havnt got the crying though,I can't even be bothered talking in the mornings, it's not till afternoon that I pull myself round. So really I don't do anything in the mornings it's wasted,I've tried to get going and motivate myself but to no avail I really bad mornings.
This is day 2 now of feeling like this again, low and a massive effort.
Don't know about the diazepam making you feel down maybe it does everybody is different.
Sober2000june
05-06-13, 11:24
Anni,
My friend is a psychiatric nurse and she won't take benzos cos they make her more depressed.
Paul x
Hi all
How is everyone.?
I still strugggling but not as much, do these pills take the anxiety away if on right dose?
I'm on sertraline 100mg and sorry keep asking but really dont I'm know what to do and thinking of going private. It really frustrates me as friends on them recovered by now.
hi, i havnt been here for ages, just letting u know in still here. I have had my ven increased to 300mg last week, i have been allocated a care coordinator and been referred for psychotherapy. Not sure how in feeling about it all as yet.xx
Hi all,
I've not posted for a while either so I thought I'd drop in while I'm on my lunch break enjoying the sun.
I've generally been doing pretty well and have been kept really busy at work. We got a new puppy a couple of weeks ago - he's lovely and quite calm for a 8-week old. As I predicted, my anxiety went right through the roof and I had some awful days where I was struggling to get out of bed. I seem to have worked through the worst of it now and I'm more settled in a new routine. Boy, is it hard work having 2 dogs with 1 a puppy and the other only just over a year! I'm exhausted.
I'm still on 150mg ven. I was going to reduce but, as I knew I had a puppy coming, I thought I'd wait a while until things settled down. I'm going to give it another 3 months and then consider it. My GP's been a star and is happy for me to do things my way as it seems to be working. I still think ven's a life-saver for me. Shame it doesn't work like this for everyone.
How are all my ven buddies getting on? It always seems like such a roller coaster of ups and downs. I'm looking forward to the day we can all say we're doing great and then we can meet up for our ven buddies outing! One day maybe...
Take care
Pip
Hi all, hope your doing ok.
Mandy, good to hear from you have been thinking about you and how you were doing. Have things got just a little bit better or very much the same. Do hope they have.
Pip, 2 dogs what you thinking of, my sister as 2 shitzu dogs. Dad and son!
The son is always trying to bonk the dad,I read it's to show who's the boss? There really cute,but would do my head in.
Tracy, did you manage to get to the doctors today? Did he come up with anything different for you.
Nicola, hope your feeling a little better,and hopefully come out of your episode(blip) don't like either word really.
I've been getting on with things, but not without anxiety. I've been having a lot of thought provoking, and it as a knock on effect as to me getting on with my day.
I keep saying it's only a thought but it is making me feel down and unmotivated.
But I know when I have gone and done it I feel better, just a big battle all the time for me.
Oh well at least we have some Sun, so enjoy that at least all.
Hi all
Clio you sound much like me I can get on with life but the anxiety is always underlying sometimes overwhelming.
The gp has said to increase my sertraline to 150mg and calling me mon to confirm wether I have to come off pill to have hormone testing as it could be menopause or hormone dips but being as put on pill two years ago due to heavy bleeding constantly he wants to get others opinion to see if another way round that.
I'm a bit scared of the increase but its been ten months and can't say I'm my normal self really so took the plunge as hate living life waiting for the next blip.
How's everyone else?
Hi all
feeling really low and rough at mo. I can't cope with this anxiety all the time its really getting to me at the mo. sorry to moan. I try so ard withe the cbt stuff from robin hall off this site. nothin interests me and I have no motivation. Am seein doc on Thurs so don't no what she will say. The anxiety can be high alot sometimes if I practise the cbt I can lower it but its always there lingering to some extent and i don't always knoe why
need some hugs
Annip xxx
nicola1980
09-06-13, 10:12
Hi Anni, sorry your feeling so bad sending you :hugs: Im having a blip at the min so know exactly how your feeling :hugs: what dose of venlafaxine are you on at the min? X x
Hi all
Seems a few of us are still struggling eh! This illness sure does test us.
A regards hormones I've got very little left test shown!! I'm in the peri stage 10mths without period(so only 2 more mths and I'm in the menoupause great!!!!)Which I think as a massive impact on the way I feel. I don't won't to mess about trying things as I think I've enough to cope with with this bloody depression/anxiety lol
Anni, sending you really big hug,this illness is so cruel to us it robs us of an enjoyable life we so deserve. You will get back up again it just takes time unfortunately and we have no power to rush it. I really wish we could then we wouldn't be going through such a battle everyday
I can't really remember when I was happy,seems I'm doomed to be a miserable git lol.everyday as soon as I open my eyes I get that negative thought I don't want to do/go any where/thing WHY!!
My partner is so happy with his life, always up early good mood, just goes anywhere without a thought!, really gets to me at times I feel like saying shut up!! Does he really deserve somebody as miserable as me. Why can't I get up there.
Seeing my care co- ordinator this week,havnt seen him for 10 weeks! Last one I cancelled as I was down and couldn't face being told "just carry on your day don't let it get to you" so he not been in touch. Think he is testing me! As I've been with mhct for nearly 2 years now, I'm not in a state as I was but I'm no where near free.think there trying to finish with me,I'm not bothered as long as I still have the psych. I'm sure I've got Dysthymia going to ask next time I see pysch, just that I keep getting recurrent episodes every few years years been like this over 25 years. I'm sure it's hereditary?
Hugs to everyone, xxx don't let it grind us down!
Hi Anni, sorry your feeling so bad sending you :hugs: Im having a blip at the min so know exactly how your feeling :hugs: what dose of venlafaxine are you on at the min? X x
Hi I'm on 112mg and have been for just over 6 weeks. My doc suggested taking 1 in the morning and 2 at night. I certainly sleep so assume this is the ven. I'm also on 15 mg diaz which is doing nothing at the moment. I'm wondering if ven should be more spaced out. I wake up in a morning and feel ok until about 7.30 then tha anxiety starts to kick. I feel worse now then I did when she first upped my dose. The anxiety is always there in the background but today I've had a full panic attack. I've just cried all afternoon.
sorry to go on and a big thank you fro the hugs
some for you too:bighug1:Anni
hi anni sorry your feeling so bad
do you take slow release ven i take mine in the morning and always have done i sleep really well too its funny you feel well till about 730 thats when i used to feel ok till the ven kicked in
its just a thought hun but maybe an increase to 150mg and taking it all in the morning in slow release might just do the trick speak to your gp
really hope you feel better soon as i know theres nothing worse than feeling the way you do sending you huge :hugs:
hope everyone else is ok xxx
nicola1980
09-06-13, 18:23
Anni id defiantly ask your gp for the slow release venlafaxine, i think you get a much smoother ride on it plus you only need to take it once a day, you do tend to have to ask for it tho as gp s are reluctant to prescribe it due to cost! Panic attacks are awful i used to suffer every morning with them and they scared the life out of me :-( i think you'd benefit from an increase to 150mg, really hope you start to feel better soon :hugs: x x
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Hi pink how are you and john coping after your loss? X x
hi nicola thanks im coping ok keeping busy and trying to get back to normality
i cant believe how i coped with everything this year and not gone completely mad but i know what to look for now and when i start to feel anxious i either keep busy or ignore it is im trying to relax and i find i passes mind you its years of practice and a determination that this will not take over my life again it seems to be workig so far so fingers crossed
we are rying to find a caravan or cottage to get away for a week or so as we both could do with a break
hope you are ok nicola and getting over your blip :hugs:
Hi all
Pink glad to see you are coping, life certainly testing you.
I'm day 2 of my increase and the blip I had seems to have passed with next to no anxious thoughts, would be great if the increase is just what I needed but aware it's too early to be that.
How's everyone else?
tracey please think positive hun this could be your turning point i know there was one for me and it just crept up on me and i thought like you i will go back again but i didnt
really hope its your turn xxx
Anni I have left a message on my Escitalopram thread for you but agree with Nicola, the dose you are on now cannot poss be working to keep getting so much anxiety and panic and the bad thoughts on top, which I know for me always came when I was super anxious. Thinking of you xxxx
How's every one else then??? (:
hi all
ihad thought of asking the doc about this. Am a bit scared to go to such high mgs of ven. I do feel desperate thou. All today the anxiety has been either in the background or loads of adrenaline and hyperventilating.. Im starting to get scared of going anywhere as it is such an effort to try and hide it...can't always anyway.thanks for your advice and thoughts
anni xxx
anni dont be scared to go up to 150mg i had no problems increasing and stayed on that dose for about 9 months and nicola is on a higher dose than that
it was when i got the 150mg slow release that things started to get better from me
i know you must be exhausted hun but if you just talk to your gp and tell them everything im sure you will be able to get this sorted
keep posting we are all here from you and feel free to pm me anytime :hugs:
Hi anni,
I'm on 150mg of ven and I didn't really noticed any difference going from 75mg.
Put it another way, did you feel any different from 75mg to 112mg?
your not alone or weird or going mad when you feel like you do I think most of us have had some or worse feeling anni. It's the heightened anxiety that's sensitising your bodily sensations and not allowing you to switch off from them.
Tell your doctor exactly how you feel write a list on weds night so you don't forget.
Debt let this bugger do this to you anni your worth more the anxiety doing this to you hun.
Take care like pink said were here for you anytime.:hugs::bighug1::flowers:
Hi all
Day increase and no se yet. The blip has gone for now.
Gp doing another blood test to check my hormones but if nothing shows got to come of pill and see what happens at least he is helping me.
Pink how long until your blips stopped?? I read about people having odd day but mine has always been days to weeks.
How is everyone ??
Tracy,
Glad your come out off it! Good to see your on top of it and gp listening to you.
Good to see the increase hasn't given you any SE.
nicola1980
11-06-13, 00:24
Anni 150mg to 225mg is the standard dose of venlafaxine for anxiety and panic disorders so i shouldn't worry about going higher as the max dose of venlafaxine is 375mg so 150mg isn't that high! Im on 187.5mg and know id benefit from maybe going up to 225mg but my shrink was having none of it so Im looking to have a second opinion which means prob having to pay to have a private consultation as i wasn't happy with my shrinks attitude at my last appointment, she was damn right rude and nasty and i left the appointment in floods of tears so I've discussed it with my gp and we've both decided i need a second opinion as his hands are tied to increase me as Im under a consultant! Tracy glad your getting no side effects :-) fingers crossed this increase kicks it butt! X x x
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Oh and Tracy my blips can last up to a week :-( x x
tracey my blips lasted anything from a couple od days to a week in the early days
after the increase to 150mg i settled quite quickly say within a month or so and they became less and less till they were only occasional and for the odd day but i was in a much better place then and could cope with them better i know you will bw fine with an increase and im sure it will be what you need hun im glad your getting some proper help now that will make you feel better just knowing you are getting help xx anni i hope this helps you xx
nicola sorry abut your psyc visit she was so good with you in the past do you really feel you need an increase its a shame you have to go private at this stage could you not be reffered to a different psyc
hope you feel better soon xx
clio how are you doing your posts sound more positive lately ope you are feelin a bit bettter xx
where are all the guys hope you are all well
:hugs: to everyone else xx
im still trolling the net for a wee holiday early july just the uk a caravan or cottage so we can take rosie something nice but its hard at this late stage to find something to suit us but i feel we need a break im sure something will turn up and it keeps me busy
well guys it been 3 months off the fags for me so im proud of that although im addicted to my ecig but its a step in the right direction xx
Sorry pink how long before you increased and before were you having more regular blips?? Like I was hence the increase.
Sorry all the questions
tracey i started ven in feb last year on 75mg for a month then 75mg in tha mornin and 37mg in the evening for a month then 150mg in the morning for about 6 weekd then i got changed to 150mg slow release now during that 3 months i had quite regular blips probably every week or so but after about 4 weeks on the 15omg slow release about the end of may i felt really good and much more like myself
so once the 150mg dose started to settle i felt almost 100%
on 1st feb this year istarted to decrease the same way and by april i was taking 75mg slow release and i am still taking that i have never felt better or coped better in all my adult life so when you get the right med at the right dose and a heap of determination you get there gradually but you get there really hope this helps tracey xxxx
Thanks pink..
I'm assuming stops the anxious thinking as that's my problem.
Got a job interview on fri in my kids school so that should help keep me distracted.
How's everyone else??
aw good luck tracey i think that would be really good for you
i miss working but had to give up due to my depression and anxiety and yes it stopped the anious thoughts i had a real problm with thinking about time and it stopped that as well once the meds kicked in properly
take it easy tracy your interview is something for you to focus on im sure you ll do great xx
rockbottok
12-06-13, 12:27
Hi guys
Went to get my monthly prescription this week and they have given me a load made by a different manufacturer. (Still prolonged release venlafaxine) I've taken them for like 4 days now and I feel odd and a bit uptight on them. Has anyone else found this if they take a different brand?? I found some old ones that I've taken today to see if I feel like I did before this new brand. It may just be my anxiety as as soon as I saw they were a different brand my thought was "I hope they don't make me feel any different" lol anyone else had this ?? Had a really weird scary dream last night too. :(
Lou xx
Hi all
Thanks for your support on here. Pink and nicola, I went to the doc. She was so kind. She listened to how I felt and she said it was fine for me to take the slow release 150mg. I was scared yesterday to take it but felt determined. Now its day 2. I know nothing will happen yet, still anxious, but just 1 panic yesterday as was able to practice cbt althoughh the anxiety was still hovering. Today I have shaking
Anni arms and legs and hypo breathing. But I know I can still carry on.
Pink hope you found somewhere to go away for the weekend.
Tracy hope your interview went well.
Anni xx
Hi all
Hope everyone ok?? And over the latest of our blips.
I'm doing well again no se from increase and best of all I got the job out of 29 people that applied yipeeee.
Thanks for all your kind words xxx
Hi everyone, hope you are all coping.
Well I've got the flu/sore throat at the mo so feeling rough! Just resting most of the time hopefully middle next week should be feeling much better.
Pink. Hope you've found a hol, have you looked at the last minute holiday sites? Like holidaylettings,lastminute.
Anni, the cbt thing is hard! Especially when your in a panic and have body sensations too. But your a fighter and will get through this.
Tracy, said you'd. Come out of it! when the next one comes along try to think ok your back for a few days and try to pay it no attention that's what it wants.
Well done getting the job too.
Nicola, how you doing? Not really seen you posting for ages hope your feeling a bit better? Shame about the last psych visit,it's weird when we get upset about people how it puts us of that person!And our thoughts about them change.
It's not long now till your hols is it.
Take care all. X
hi all
anni so pleased for you and im sure you will start to feel the benefits soon dont worry to much about the slow release i fond them fantastic and the 150g worked a treat for me im sure it will for you too good luck xxx
tracy well done you and i know your new job will help you with this as well i really miss my job it will give you somethig positive to focus on so celebrate you deserve it hun xx
clio you sound good too i have had a look on the last minute sites but still looking at the moment im sure something will turn up hope you aree ok this weekend xx
lou i think its just us when we see a diffrent name on the pack it gets our anxiety going but im sure they will be just as effective if you feel they are not as goos talk to the pharmacy about giving you the same brand all the time mine gives me effexor even tho it says venlafaxine on the script and i wouldnt like to rock the boat either
i always have weird dreams and since starting the meds talk and laugh in my sleep it even wakes me up sometimes and john finds it really funny
im ok guys still plodding along been out for a meal and having my sister in law tomorrow overnight with her daughter and 10 month old baby so will be catching up with a few glasses of dry white as she lives in france so we dont see each other that often now
take care evryone xx
pip how are you and the 2 hounds xxxxx
nicola where are you xx
Fine thanks Pink. I've bought them a kennel to go in the garden so that they have somewhere to sleep if I leave them outside for a couple of hours. I've just been varnishing it - there's no end to the excitement in my life!
Have a great time with your sis-in-law tomorrow.
Pip xxx
hi pip well you must have dry weather it has been sunny one minute and hissing it down the next
those 2 pooches are keeping you busy and i know you like to keep your mind occupied
have a great weekend xx
Hi All,
I can see some of us are still going through hard times.
Things will get better. I have been fine now since January.
I am feeling great, even though I have had some realy bad news in the last week about a girl I knew as a youngster,passed away in 2004.
I only found this out via other friends and family who have got in touch from websites seeing my name on comments,reviews etc.
I am still on the up and up,although being over here in Spain for the last week has been a great help.
Aches and pains from the cold and damp weather have gone now in the 25C-30C weather over her.
Dunno where all the guys have gone to, but I do hope we will all feel better from one day to another.
Best wishes to you all,and we will all get there in the end. :hugs:
Hi Tony,
Excellent news your still doing good, your so lucky having a place in Spain! Do you ever think you will live there permanently one day?
Sorry to hear about your friend,it's a shock when we hear thing's about death isn't.
Well UK weather is back to normal!!! Doesn't know what to do one min Sun next rain. The sun does have an impact on our day.
Take care x
hi guys nice one tony so pleased for you im the same i think ive finally got my feet firmly on its head and kept it down have a great time in spain xx
wellive had a lovely weekend with my sis in law my niece and her wee boy lots of wine and girly gossip just what i needed
been upsince 7am today which is early for me and ive ran out of my meds so need to get into gear and pick up my script
hope you are all doing ok this monday morning xxx
Hi all,
Hope all is well with everyone??
Good to hear you had a good catch up and a few glasses over the weekend pink.
Anni how's the increase going now it's still very early days
Well I'm still full off cold!! Although the painful throat as gone but just feel yuk.
Take care all xx
:hugs: clio hope you feel better soon have a hot toddie !!!!!
Hey guys!
Still around..lol
Still doing pretty good on the reduced 75mg, although I had a 3 week period of feeling very depressed? My tinnitus hasn't gone away either.
Work and life is pretty busy at the moment but I'm coping well.
Hope everyone is well.
Gav.
Hi gav
good to hear your still doing well, think we will get blips every now and then just as long as it's not as bad as the beginning of it all !
Weird how you still got the tinnitus!
I've developed a really sore mouth with a taste that changes from metal to salt to something I can't put a name to!! Been to oral consultant he had good look and had bloods done found nothing serious so he said it's either meds, anxiety or a thing called burning mouth syndrome which there's nothing for. So in turmoil what to do,because I'm not to bad now.
take care x
Hi all
Hope everyone ok?? And over the latest of our blips.
I'm doing well again no se from increase and best of all I got the job out of 29 people that applied yipeeee.
Thanks for all your kind words xxx
Well done Tracey...congratulations xx:D
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Hi all
lovely to hear how everyone is doing. Gavin good to see a post from you.
What a strange thing Clio burning mouth sensation..not heard of that one before. Yes its true about the cbt when I actually panic I can't even think let alone try to do the calming statements. At the moment its just rumbling round in the background but I carry on practising. Early days yet still.
Good to hear from you Tony too. My cousin works out in Spain..not sure where but oddly enough its called Tonys bar !! coincidence I'm sure.
Pink I am going to pm you
:hugs: To all
Anni xxxx
anni have answered your pm hun
gav great to hear you are stilldoing weelim on 75mg and doing great too much better since i reduced hope you cntinue to improve and finally get rid of the tittinus xx
clio hope you are feeling bit better too
nicola hope your migraine is better just get plenty of rest xx
Hi everyone, how are you all?
Anni I popped on to see how you are doing as I know you have had a rough old time just of late and you are always so supportive of me on my Escitalopram thread. Just wanted to let you know I am here for you along with every one else xxx I hope your increase isn't going too horribly.
Nicola, has that migraine gone now? I had one last week that just wouldn't shift, I wonder if it's this hot weather we just aren't used to? ha ha! Though I was really hormonal at the end of last week and kept blubbing too as I had anxiety for the first time in ages as well but it's my own fault as I have been really lazy for a fortnight and ordered takeaways every night like pizza...my little boy is going through a stage where he won't eat anything and you can't force veg down them and so even pizza is better than nothing but I really should have been eating properly myself not joining him so totally suffered this month when I got terrible PMS! I am back on the salads now and my well woman pills, you name it, lol. Plus it's a wonder I'm not 50 stone but Escitalopram seems to keep me think choose how much I troff...wow a side effect I love, ha ha!
Really hope you are all doing ok. Gavin it's good to hear you seem to be doing brill and rooting for you Anni for this anxiety to go away xx
hi guys how are you all doing
karen nice to hear from you
maybe a wee bit support for anni who is still struggling at the moment xxx
Hi pink, hope your well, have you found that hol yet.
Anni, how's things going, I was scared to go out like you without my partner. Still am sometimes just depends how anxious I am at the time,it's horrible to be scared and scary as hell how it makes you feel. It took months for me to finely go out on my own can't even remember now how I did it. Think it was when I felt much more relaxed with myself.
Saying that anni today went into town with partner started off ok,but after few shops could feel anxiety creeping in. I was queuing in a shop and it seemed forever!!! And was getting ready to flee but talked to myself and said no to anxiety(don't know if it worked,or because I was next)
Really hope it settling down a little and giving you some restbite anni,morning were always the worse for me too(still are some days)just to get myself motivated.
You have got there before,and will again as you know anxiety as a time of its own!
Oh and well done Tracy getting the job! Hope the increase is still going well for you.
Take care all.
nicola1980
23-06-13, 00:29
Hi everyone, Anni so sorry your still struggling, when i first started venlafaxine i was a complete mess, scared to be on my own, so scared infact i moved back into my parents with jack as hubby worked nights, i wouldn't go out the house on my own and used to wake every morning with a full blown panic attack to the point id be heaving and gagging down the kitchen sink so i know exactly what your going through and its truly horrific :-( all i can say hun it does get better but it takes time and patience and your a strong person and can beat this we all can! Im not having a great few days and today for the first time in a long time i was paralysed with panic and fear and it scared the life out of me, i really thought i was going to have a full blown attack so i took myself of to my bedroom and tried to do my relaxation but to be honest i was absolutely petrified but i managed to control my breathing but my heart was beating so fast i thought it was going to come out my chest :-( don't know what caused it it came on out the blue but my life its scary, keep going Anni though hun and keep posting we are all here to support you, your not alone, lots of love and hugs x x x
Hi everyone
Thank you so much for the lovely posts. Its so nice to hear from you all. I think I feel a bit better as the anxiety has lessened first thing in the moring. I'm not full of adrenalin anyway. My mood seems all over the place and thats when the thoughts all creep in.
Hope you are ok today Nicola xxxx
annip
nicola1980
24-06-13, 18:40
Glad your feeling a bit better Anni, this anxiety lark isn't half draining, I've had a better day today but was so tired i had to go to bed earlier and then the shakes started this afternoon but think Im getting worked up as Im going away in 3 weeks for 2 weeks with all my family, mum, dad sister etc and Im worrying if ill cope :-( last year when we went i was still very poorly anxiety wise and really struggled and had to keep taking myself off to my room, Im armed with diazepam tho lol! Hope everyone is ok x x
Hi Nicola
Look at it this way Nicola. Last year you were very poorly...compare yourself to now. You'll have all your family with you too. Try not to worry too much (ha ha says she) but I often think that the waiting for something is worse then when you actually do it. Where are you off to?
Hows everyone else this fine morning?
Anni xxxx
nicola1980
25-06-13, 09:21
Thanks Anni, we're off to Malta we go every year but this year will be the first time we've gone for 2 weeks as normally its only a week so Im worrying about that too :-( last year i needed 15mg of diazepam throughout the day just to get on the plane that night i was in such a state yet coming home i didn't need any? How are you today? X x
Hi all, I have been on 75mg venlafaxine for nearly two months, after Citalopram & sertraline since last July. They started to work in three days
yes three days! I felt so much better but these last few days I have had the old demon anxiety back, not as bad as before but upsetting. You know how it is you think you are on the mend then UGH Its back. My question is has anybody else had this is it a blip, do I need to take for longer before they kick in properly or do I need to see the doc for an increase? Any advice would be appreciated.
Cheers for now
Lancia
hi lancia yes we have all had blips it should pass tho 75mg is a low dose but i feel the lower the dose you settle on the better
if things dont improve over the rest of this week maybe an increase would benefit you your gp will know if thats the right thing for you
but dont worry i had endless blips in the beginning but i still hink its the best ad i have been on and its my third never felt better
good luck xxxx
nicola you will be fine i agree with anni the thinking about it is the worse all the worrying leading up to it is causing your stress levels to rise
you are so much beter than this time last year and think of hw much jack will be looking forward to it and you will probably enjoy it much better than last year as your in a better place xx
anni have sent you a pm
hows everyone else doing
clio you ok xxx
Thanks Nichola, that's just what I wanted to hear. Glad to hear also that you are doing ok.
THanks again
Lancia
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OOOOPS! Sorry Pink dove, brain fade, how long were you on this before you had no blips?
Lancia
Welcome Lancia I'm on ven 150mg 7 mths and still have blips now and again.
I would give it a week and see if it lifts,if no better then go see gp.
Nicola, as pink and anni say it's the thinking about it that puts us into panic.all the negative thoughts will I be ok getting on the plane,hope I'm better than I was last year,hope I feel ok,hope I can enjoy it etc etc. We don't do our selves any favours do we!! once your on the plane and up your anxiety will go back down.Just think you will have all your family there to
You will be fine Nic it's just thoughts(there are demons)
I am doing ok(hope I'm not speaking to soon) sleep is still problem waking up often and low level anxiety most days
my mental health worker came today havnt seen him for 3 mths. I was a bit nervous(don't know why was walking around) mentioned what consultant said about my mouth problem! And we've come to discision that I wait till I see psych end the end of the month and see what she as to say. I think last time she said it was due to anxiety,but I was really really anxious at the beginning but never had it then and now it lowered Ive got it, so that theory doesn't make sense. So see what she says about the ven being the problem. He spoke about me being discharged for services, which I think will happen it's been 20mths.
Pink I bet this time last year you would never of thought you'd be a nonsmoker and back to yourself again
Hi Guys, its been a while, so glad you are going away again Nicola, i remember last year and your fears, but guess what you did it and you can again. I largely am going ok i have ups and downs of course. At the moment a little down and fearful. Thinking of you all.
Jarrod X
Hi Nicola,
I've always wanted to go to Malta ..it looks lovely. I had a bit better day yesterday but haven't had such a good start today. Odd isn't it. Do you get fed up of this? I know though that as the day goes on I usually start to fell better. I take 15mg diaz every day. 10mg in the morning..then bach rescue remedy every hour then 5 mg diaz bout 3pm.
Hi clio good to hear from you too. hows things going. Why will you be coming to an end with your psych treatment? Is it cos you are feeling alot better....i Hope so.
Anni xx
Anni, coming to the end of getting support worker that comes to my house,think it's because I'm not in crisis any more and a lot better than I was at beginning(thank God,don't ever want to go back there) and I think the facts it's nearly two years!!
Don't know about psych yet my next appointment isn't till end of July.
It's so up and down this illness,like you say how can you feel you can cope one day to be confronted the next with psychical ground stopping symptoms which rules our head!!!
Funny how sometimes you start to feel it lifting late afternoon,do we get used to the feeling? And there not so scary then? Weird
hi guys and nice to hear from you jarrod sorry you are a bit down just now but you know you will get there you have done before you are strong hope you feel better soon
well ive joined weight watchers this morning have cracked the smoking so now the weight
i went on my won and sat through the meeting and i fely quite calm never thought i could do that so im really please with myself now to get te weight off :blush:
sorry some of you are still struggling but i am living proof that things do get better i promise thats the first time i have ever dne anything like that on my own and without diazapam :)
:hugs: to you all xxx hope this inspires some of you that we will all get there in the end xxxxxx
nicola1980
27-06-13, 14:52
Hi everyone, Im really struggling at the min, Im finding the anxiety and panic overwhelming :-( i had to take a diazepam earlier and take myself off to bed i felt so bad, just don't understand what's happening? Im having alot of physical symptoms too which is new to me like racing heart, the shakes, nausea and its scaring the life out of me if Im honest :-( i don't want to talk to anybody or see anybody, I've had to take 6mg of diazepam already today :-( Well done pink on joining weight watchers your doing brilliantly especially after all you've been through lately, hope everybody else is better than me x x
Hi Nicola
can you see your doc quickly or have a telephone consultation just so they can put your mind at rest a bit. its all part of this anxiety lark grrr horrible and you having a big blip but it will pass ..it will
:hugs: :hugs: annip xxxxx
nicola1980
27-06-13, 16:20
Thanks Anni, Im seeing my doctor tomorrow morning anyway, how are you? X x
Pink, your going for gold! Good luck with the weight watchers great you had the confidence to go own your own it's not nice walking into places you don't know.well done!
Nicola, do you think it's your holiday subconsciously on your mind? That's bringing out these new symptoms. Can't think off anything you could do apart from trying to ignore them(I know easy said than done when there so intense)
When do you go back to the psych?(know you wasn't happy with her last time) are you still on olanzapine what about going up on that? Just a thought.
Anni, hope your feeling ok and it's settling down for you. I pushed myself to go out today on my own, not without anxiety though!really wish I could do things without being anxiety fuelled and tense. You think somebody would of come up with a med now just for anxiety that isn't addictive!!
Tracy, are you still doing well on your increase? And when doyou start your new job is it full time. Great that you can drop kids and yourself at the same place.
Hi
Glad you're seeing the doc Nicola..hope it helps. Had a change of routine yesterday, quickly had to go over with hubbie to look after my grand daughter..didn't cope too well with that. Once I was there and settled i calmed down but was glad to get home.
Well done Clio for going out..be proud of yourself you did it. I can't do that..I can't stay in the house on my ..well not till later in the day.
Hope weather brightens up today
:flowers: for all
Anni xxx
nicola1980
28-06-13, 16:37
Hi all, well i saw the doc and he's prescribed me propranolol 40mg to be taken as needed to help with the physical symptoms of my anxiety, i took one earlier and to be honest it didn't do much apart from send me to sleep but i still woke with my heart racing :-( there's not alot my doc can do as Im unerring a psychiatrist and not due to see her for another 4 and half weeks, my mum suffers anxiety too and but its been under control with the help of cit but she's been so worried about me that she's been getting all anxious and panicky herself which i feel awful about me:-( hope everybody is ok x x
Well me trying to be confident backfired tonight.
I said I would be holiday on net for my son and his mates to magaluf. I was ok at first when they were there in the front room,then it came over me like a wave panic.well I couldn't flee as I wouldn't have gone back in again,so I carried on and was ok but very glad when it was over.
After that I could not get warm! And over thinking like we do what ifs. So tonight I can't even settle to watch tv.
Anni, hope your ok? And settling back down after your ordeal, why when our anxiety is high do we freak.
Nicola, you were doing so well Jun, going to the gym.
So do you not see the psych till you come back off hol? If the olanzapine was for anxiety and you felt less anxious on it why not start it up again. Proprananol never worked on me at 80mg slow release but we're all different.
Your mum's bound to be worrying over you it's what mum's do! You know that from your an son..
I am terrible still with mine he's 23,I do try but it's instinct. About 2 years ago he started with panic attacks and I really felt for him.I had to lay with him in bed he was that scared at 21 me reassuring him he wasn't having an heart attack and talking him round and calming him down..he used to say he's got it from me!And I had to keep saying you get catch it from somebody but doc had already told him it's hereditary!! So lucky don't know why or how but touch wood he hasn't had any for ages.but he used to say why did I get this off you.
Oh well tomorrows another day, hope my anxiety is less.
nicola1980
29-06-13, 00:52
Hi clio, i see my shrink day after i come back off holiday, I've had a better afternoon and i even managed to go and watch jack in a school concert which was packed full of people, Im not supposed your anxious about your son going on holiday i would be too! I remember going to Egypt with my friend 3 years ago and our kids and my parents were worried sick about me and i was 30! I had lecture after lecture about what to do and what not to do! I phoned them everyday so they knew i was ok! God how i wish i was like i was 3 years ago just swanning off on holiday without a care in the world! X x
Well it just show how things change!
Today I've not felt good,anxiety and and cant cant seem to relax Felt on edge all day
So come 2pm had to take a diazepam 2mg,as on my own so I couldn't relax so ends dusting everywhere,then pushed my myself to go to Sainsbury for few bits wasn't easy, but I need to go out most days because if I don't I fall easy back into being really scared about going out. came back and did bit in the garden garden Sun was shining so took advantage.
Feel bit better but it's still lingering!! I kept going freezing cold. Seems every time I do something different I end up with bad anxiety!! What the hell is wrong with me.
Xx
Good morning guys, still having this blip its been 7 days now. I know some of you have had blips where the anxiety comes back. O average how long did they last? Really getting me down now I thought I was on the mend.
Cheers for now
nicola1980
01-07-13, 14:45
Hi all, Im really not doing well at all but have luckily managed to get an appointment with my psychiatrist tomorrow morning at 9.30, Im struggling everyday with this damn anxiety and i can feel the depression creeping in now aswell :-( hope everyone else is ok x x
:hugs::flowers: sorry to hear you have not come back up again Nicola, perhaps your wise getting the appointment with the psych as its a couple of weeks now isnt it you've felt like this ? this anxiety really takes hold of us at times!! and knocks us for six.
you do very well getting an urgent appointment, there's no way mine would do that. I have to go through my mental health worker, incidentally do you still your cpn nurse?
Really wish you well,and hope the psych is helpful tomorrow pour it out to her.let's now how you go on.
nicola1980
01-07-13, 15:26
I haven't seen my cp n in weeks as she's off sick but to be honest i don't really get alot from seeing her, i didn't expect to get an appointment just phoned on the off chance and they had had a cancellation, I've had blips before but could always pick myself up from them but this by far is the worst, i feel so low and anxious that i just want to hide away, i don't want to see or talk to anyone and everything is such an effort :-( i could quite happily stay in bed and have been going back to bed in the day just to escape from it, i tend to feel alot better at night and get full of hope but nope its back in the morning at:-( o x
hi nicola just a thought but maybe you should ask your psyc about reducing the ven i say that because i read an article recently that clearlt states that a lot of us have more symptoms and higher anxiety if the dose is too high
i think your pysc was unwilling to increase your dose the last time you saw her so maybe she will suggest it to you
i know only to well how it feels to want to stay in bed all day and you dont want to go back there again
im sorry you are having such a tough time again im sure she will be able to help you tomorrow write things down so you dont forget exactly how you are feeling let us know how you get on hunni sending you :hugs:
im ok but talk about fickle i joined weight watchers last thursday and by saturday had changed to slimming world just couldnt get a grip on the points system but have been really good sticking to it so using the weight watchers journal to write down the slimming world food :blush:
hope everyone else is ok xxxxx
pip where are you !!!!!
Nicola I am so sorry you are feeling so bad, I'm not good too but put mine down to being in court tomorrow and facing my hubby for the first time in a whole year, I am petrified!! I hope it is just a blip for you and the Ven's not pooping out, sending you loads of hugs that this time next week it will all be a bad memory (:
Anni how are you getting on with your increase? Any better??? Hope every one else is ok xxx
Hi Nicola,
How did you go on today? Really hope she came up with something for you or at least put you mind at rest. Xxx
Anni, did you manage asda? If you did brilliant if not there's another day small steps.Xxx
Pink, hope the dieting going well, anything on the hol front God there so expensive arnt they.
Well I'm just coping, I've got that many ailments at the mo
My mouth, maybe it is anxiety I now have like a tightening feeling in my teeth!!!
Another thing now as started back(had it for 10 years) consultant diagnosed through not scan plantar fasciitis my feet hurt and ache like you can't imagine and now it's back big time.
I'm not convinced it's plantar! Because how come I've had it this long mostly on than off.
It gets me down as there is nothing worse than your feet aching you don't even feel like getting up it aches so bad.and everything is an effort.
So not in good space at mo sorry for the moan it's just one thing after another at the mo
:hugs: clio and hope you feel better soon god that sounds awfull the pain in your feet it must realy get you down
no news on the holiday yet scrolling the net every night want a nice cottage or caravan and fancy norfolk but as you say they are so expensive and getting the right one that will take the dog is a nightmare i also want to take my parents to give them a break so would like an extra shower room or at least a extra loo but its september we are going so still time yet hope you feel better soon xxx
karen good luck in court tomorrow hun that must be a difficult one for you really hope things go your way take it easy xxx
nicola how did you get on really hope you have some answers let us know hun xxx
the diets going ok been really good and mananging slimming world so much easier than weight watchers just a personal choice tho
taking my mum to the hospital tomorrow to have this rodent ulcer near her eye sorted out not sure if it will be done tomorrow i hope so as she has waited for a whlle now so will be glad when thats over for her mostly
hope everyone else is ok xxxx
nicola1980
02-07-13, 14:29
Hi everyone, well my shrink was lovely and spent alot of time with me, she doesn't want to alter my meds so close to my holiday so Im seeing her the day after i get back, Im sure this is all down to me going away, Im so scared about it and feeling anxious whilst Im there :-( she's also refering me for cbt and mindfullness as she thinks i would benefit from them so we'll see! X x
Oh thanks good she was better than last time with you! Yer you don't won't any change in meds as you say no more symptoms than you have now.
Know what you mean when you have somewhere you have to go(no cancelling) well I did buts that me! It puts a lot of stress and pressure on you because you really don't what to be like you are and want to enjoy it.
I'm sure once you on the plane after half an hour it will calm down, it's always stress at airport waiting around. Can't you book in on line so you could say go later to the airport? So your not hanging around you can book your suitcases in half an hour before check in closes.
I've done mindfulness,did it for 8 weeks once a week. It's ok but I'm not really that sort of person and you have to keep it up. I've bought mindfulness for dummies of Amazon and got 4cds from group I went to.
Glad you feel a bit more happier seeing her. Xx
:hugs: clio and hope you feel better soon god that sounds awfull the pain in your feet it must realy get you down
no news on the holiday yet scrolling the net every night want a nice cottage or caravan and fancy norfolk but as you say they are so expensive and getting the right one that will take the dog is a nightmare i also want to take my parents to give them a break so would like an extra shower room or at least a extra loo but its september we are going so still time yet hope you feel better soon xxx
karen good luck in court tomorrow hun that must be a difficult one for you really hope things go your way take it easy xxx
nicola how did you get on really hope you have some answers let us know hun xxx
the diets going ok been really good and mananging slimming world so much easier than weight watchers just a personal choice tho
taking my mum to the hospital tomorrow to have this rodent ulcer near her eye sorted out not sure if it will be done tomorrow i hope so as she has waited for a whlle now so will be glad when thats over for her mostly
hope everyone else is ok xxxx
Hi...my mum had a rodent ulcer on her nose. They gave her local anisthetic and scooped it out with what looked like a small ice cream scoop. No stiches but it was dressed. It was all very quick. Hope it goes well xxx anni
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Hi everyone, well my shrink was lovely and spent alot of time with me, she doesn't want to alter my meds so close to my holiday so Im seeing her the day after i get back, Im sure this is all down to me going away, Im so scared about it and feeling anxious whilst Im there :-( she's also refering me for cbt and mindfullness as she thinks i would benefit from them so we'll see! X x
Hi Nicola
have you seen the cbt4panic on this site. I sent off for it. I think its free. I did exactly what it said. I practised it everyday, sometimes for alot of the day. If I couln't do it because I was in such a panic my husband read it for me and I tried repeating it. It is not a quick fix and I had to do it lots and lots. I carry the notebokk with me everywhere and if I feel even only slightly anxious I get the notebook out and run through the exercises. It was difficult to do but I was determined (mostly) and with hubbie and daughter onside to help I think it really helped me. It comes with a dvd too. xxxxxAnni
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Clio...I did get to the shops yesterday...felt pleased. But did have a strange turn at lunchtime. Felt like I was on the edge of anxiety...my arms,legs and body went all weak.I felt odd..and then I did have anxiety. I'm not sure if I took my 10mg diaz in the morning..could it be that? I was ok after...I took a 5mg straight away and then went shopping. very strange.
How are you doing. I found exercises on the internet for that foot problem you have. I had it a couple of years ago. It also said not to wear slip on shoes for walking..they need to be shoes that fasten. So I did that . Touchwood been ok since.
Anni xxxx
Hi Everyone,
not been around for a few weeks since being back over in Spain. Laptop packed up and just got it back after a couple of weeks.
Gave them a challenge but the English guy here who repairs them is very good. Got it back a couple of hours ago and keeping fingers and everything else crossed,that it's gonna be O.K.
Will look at all the pages I've not seen in next few days,but I've never forgotten the help and support I had in my realy dark days from this particular thread.
I do sincerely hope we are all feeling well............or better than yesterday. :hugs:
nicola1980
06-07-13, 00:37
Hi everyone, well Im getting myself in a right tiz about my holiday and know that's what's causing my anxiety :-( Im trying to take the pressure off me going by sending my huge holiday clothes ironing pile away to be done so all i need to do is pack but Im so scared Im going to spoil it for everyone else :-( Im petrified of being on the plane and not being able to get off and being in such an enclosed area with lots of people :-( sometimes Im really looking forward to going then others it fills me with dread :-( my family is being really supportive and Im so much better than last year when i went but think that's what's scaring me because last year i was so poorly still with panic and anxiety i really struggled and can still remember that fear i felt when i was there and even tho Im miles better now i just can't stop worrying about it plus the fact we're going for 2 weeks this time instead of 1, god i used to love my holidays and get so excited about them, this illness robs you of that :-( anyway enough of my rambling hope everyone else is ok x x
Hi everyone
Hope your all enjoying the sun! What a change.
Nicola, I think even somebody without anxiety stresses when it comes to hols
What your feeling is natural hun,because we're in a state of anxiety most of the time we forget the normal feeling of stress/anxiety.
I'm sure you will be fine oh have your family with you,try to sit on an aisle seat you won't feel as hemd in and get get out easy if you need the loo.
Good idea about the ironing.
What day do you actually go? Will be thinking of you.
Anni, how's it going for you any better? Is hubby still of with you this week.
While everyone else is good and coping as best they can. Xx
Hi all
hope its going ok for you all, Nicola :hugs:. How are you doing Clio? I am getting better slowly...well I'm managing to do more and get out with support.
Great match yesterday if you're tennis fans.
Good to hear from you Tony too and glad you're feeling well.
Looks like its going to be hot again
Anni xxx
hi guys hope you are all doing ok and you are feeling a bit better too nicola
im really enjoying this summer so much better than last year
finished week one of my slimming world last thursday and lost 5 and a half pound :D see what this week brings so thats the smoking sorted now for the weight cant wait to get back to my old self again
had a meds revue this morning and dr was so pleased with me especially cutting out the fags we both agreed to leave the ven at 75mg for now as i am doing so well on it
:hugs: for anyone still strugglig if i can do it honestly anyone can xxxx
Hi all,
Sorry I've not been around much - work has been hectic and my second dog is taking up a lot of time. Housetraining and 2 lots of training classes!
The weather is scorching here now after a cloudy start. Just got back from a long walk with the hounds who are exhausted. A bit of peace for me for a couple of hours now, I hope.
For anyone who's struggling, Pink is right: if we can do it, you all can. Hard work but once you find the right balance between meds and how much to push yourself, things just get better.
Pink - well done!!! You're really getting things sorted. I'm still off the cigs too though my trusty ecig is never far away. I treated myself to a new kit as my old one was getting a bit temperamental. A good one's not cheap but you soon make back what you save in cigs. I don't even fancy a cig these days. I don't know why I didn't do it sooner.
Off to put my feet up in the garden for a bit.
Hugs to all :hugs:
Pip xxx
Hi all
Sorry like pip been very busy with work etc...
I have been doing well with the increase week 4 on sertraline but still having blips but the good days I dont really analyse how I feel much at all but the bad I fear still. Can anyone relate to this?
Really pleased most of you doing well. How r u nic?
nicola1980
09-07-13, 00:44
Hi everyone, well i go next Tuesday and I've calmed down alot about it and Im determined to enjoy myself and if the anxiety hits ill use my diazepam and try and work through it, luckily Im seeing psychiatrist day after i get back for a med review, glad to hear so many of us are doing better, Anni Im so pleased things are getting a little easier for you, remember its baby steps :hugs: pink wow well done on the weight loss that's great! Pip you sound good too, its you 2 that keep us all going! Clio how are you hun? When's your next psychiatrist appointment? Tracy you sound good hun and so pleased you had a smooth ride increasing i admire you for still managing to work despite battling this anxiety, big hugs to everyone else x x
Hi all
Well not having a good time off it recently! The past week or so I've had a lot to content with.
I've still the big problem with my tongue so sore and the taste I get from it.consultant came up with anxiety or venlafaxine. My feet ache 24/7 and had all things I can for plantar fasciitis that there is so don't know where and what to do next! Just walking to the kitchen is a chore so I just want to sit(but can't do that all the time would go bonkers).
I can't properly turn my neck to the left side and waiting letter for physio.
All this must be getting to me, as now I'm contipatated. Just feel it's getting me really anxious.
To be honest, I'm a lot better depression wise than I was but I don't think I'm sorted in any way! Just a matter of putting up with the symptoms. I still get scared of doing things and going out this past week as been a real struggle like I think first and question how I feel like"will I be ok"
I still havnt been to see any of my sister's or allow them to visit my house.
My mht worker wants to close my case, to be honest I'm not bothered think I'm done with all the talking and there's no much more he can do for me now. He knows I'm not as depressed and in crisis as I was but knows the difficulty I have socially and my anxiety,just matter of putting things into practice.easy said than done.
So I'm at the psych 30th July, and going to asks about coming of ven!!!! Purely because of my mouth and see what see says. I am absolutely crapping myself myself if she says yes because I am going to be doing it very very very very slowly, I have read it can be a nightmare and some havnt ever managed. I know we are all different,and really hope I'm one of the chosen ones.
Hope everyone is well xx
Ps glad your feeling more positive about your hol nic, you deserve it. Yer it will be stressful at first but you will settle down again(we can't stay in high state anxiety for long) and as you say you've got the diazepam which is good if you need it. Plus you've got family round you,so if you don't feel to good the others can keep Jack and your hubby occupied.
Keep with it Tracey, as Nicola says to carry on working whilst feeling like you do is brilliant.
Hi all
Big hugs clio its crap isnt it?? I'm fed up with feeling I'm getting there then hitting yet anoyher bkipl
Nic will be thinking of you and like you I'm determined to have a good holiday this year!
I'm 4 weeks into increase and feel kind of numb if anything and out of touch with things and last week felt almost normal its extremely upsetting at times.
My blood test is back but the gp hadnt commented so may need to see me in a strange way hoping it shows something.
Hugs to all xx
Hi all
I am nearly 4 weeks into my ven increase...i am on the 150mg slow release and I feel much better than I did. Still bit shakey and needing support but I am getting out and about without too much trouble. I think it must be the ven that has helped ...also doing cbt4panic.
Being on here with you all has also helped.
Thank you. Hope everyone has a sunny day...inside and out
anni xxxx
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Hi all
Well not having a good time off it recently! The past week or so I've had a lot to content with.
I've still the big problem with my tongue so sore and the taste I get from it.consultant came up with anxiety or venlafaxine. My feet ache 24/7 and had all things I can for plantar fasciitis that there is so don't know where and what to do next! Just walking to the kitchen is a chore so I just want to sit(but can't do that all the time would go bonkers).
I can't properly turn my neck to the left side and waiting letter for physio.
All this must be getting to me, as now I'm contipatated. Just feel it's getting me really anxious.
To be honest, I'm a lot better depression wise than I was but I don't think I'm sorted in any way! Just a matter of putting up with the symptoms. I still get scared of doing things and going out this past week as been a real struggle like I think first and question how I feel like"will I be ok"
I still havnt been to see any of my sister's or allow them to visit my house.
My mht worker wants to close my case, to be honest I'm not bothered think I'm done with all the talking and there's no much more he can do for me now. He knows I'm not as depressed and in crisis as I was but knows the difficulty I have socially and my anxiety,just matter of putting things into practice.easy said than done.
So I'm at the psych 30th July, and going to asks about coming of ven!!!! Purely because of my mouth and see what see says. I am absolutely crapping myself myself if she says yes because I am going to be doing it very very very very slowly, I have read it can be a nightmare and some havnt ever managed. I know we are all different,and really hope I'm one of the chosen ones.
Hope everyone is well xx
Ps glad your feeling more positive about your hol nic, you deserve it. Yer it will be stressful at first but you will settle down again(we can't stay in high state anxiety for long) and as you say you've got the diazepam which is good if you need it. Plus you've got family round you,so if you don't feel to good the others can keep Jack and your hubby occupied.
Keep with it Tracey, as Nicola says to carry on working whilst feeling like you do is brilliant.
Hi Clio...how are you doing. This may be a silly question but have you seen a dentist about your mouth ? Do you take the slow release ven capsules or tablets? I wondered if that might make a difference?
anni xxx
Anni great news your doing better, the ven must be beginning to settle and working.
Well done for getting about, I know it's hard work.
I've already been to the dentist anni that was my first stop! I went to see privately an oral mouth consultant.
I will ask the psych when I go about the capsules instead of tablets.it's a thought! And worth considering.
I've gone back to pondering about when I'm doing things and really really have to push myself to do things. I don't feel depressed well nothing like I was! But feel scared to do things and then the thinking starts!! Will I be ok, what if. I'm sure you know type of questions I get.
Oh well time to stop thinking and start doing!!! Just the hard part doing it.
Take care all xxx
nicola1980
12-07-13, 00:28
Hi, anni Im so pleased your feeling a bit better that's great news :D just take baby steps hun and you'll get there, clio i would try the capsules instead of the tablets as it could be the coating on the tablets imitating your mouth? Its worth a go before coming off? Well Im still plodding on, everyone else is re excited about our holiday on Tuesday but i just feel my anxiety raising at the thought of it :-( had a awful day today as my period is due aswell which always adds to my anxiety but i pushed myself through and went to clean for my sister to help her out as she's just moved into her new house and weeks full time so she needed a bit of help and whilst i was busy i was fine its when I've nothing to do the anxiety hits and i sit fretting about the holiday :-( lets hope that when i get there ill be ok, will be using diazepam for the plane as it scares me being in such a confined spread and unable to get off, god 3 years ago i flew to Egypt on holiday with a friend and our kids without a care in the world, how things change :-( hope everyone is ok x x
Hello all.
Moving to this thread/ sub forum after 4 unsuccessful weeks on citalopram.
Psychiatrist has prescribed venlafaxine. Starting dose of 37.5mg for the first two doses and 75mg for 2 weeks following from that, with her idea of getting me up to 150mg or more.
I'd say that right now I am definitely scared of taking it - both from the possible negative side effects and then the potential future withdrawal.
Little worried that this drug will 'zombify' me - sincerely hope it doesn't as being alive, awake and having full cognition is pretty damn important to me.
Assurances very welcome...!
Hello all.
Moving to this thread/ sub forum after 4 unsuccessful weeks on citalopram.
Psychiatrist has prescribed venlafaxine. Starting dose of 37.5mg for the first two doses and 75mg for 2 weeks following from that, with her idea of getting me up to 150mg or more.
I'd say that right now I am definitely scared of taking it - both from the possible negative side effects and then the potential future withdrawal.
Little worried that this drug will 'zombify' me - sincerely hope it doesn't as being alive, awake and having full cognition is pretty damn important to me.
Assurances very welcome...!
I have found Venlafaxine to be very beneficial and experienced minimum SE's when I started compared to other meds. I don't feel 'zombified' at all.
All I will say, from personal experience only, is not to rush to increase your dose...I went from 37.5 to 75 and have been on 112.5mg daily for some time now. I did have the option to increase to 150 but felt I didn't need to.
Like all anti d's it will take a few weeks to kick in, be patient and I wish you the best of luck with it. Kitti :)
I have found Venlafaxine to be very beneficial and experienced minimum SE's when I started compared to other meds. I don't feel 'zombified' at all.
All I will say, from personal experience only, is not to rush to increase your dose...I went from 37.5 to 75 and have been on 112.5mg daily for some time now. I did have the option to increase to 150 but felt I didn't need to.
Like all anti d's it will take a few weeks to kick in, be patient and I wish you the best of luck with it. Kitti :)
Thanks Kitti :)
Really re-assuring. Have you noticed any changes in your weight since being on venla? Sleep problems.. or benefits?
And for any men reading - sexual side effects? I didn't have any negative sexual side effects on Citalopram (the reverse actually) - fingers crossed that it would be the same on venla?? :)
Thanks Kitti :)
Really re-assuring. Have you noticed any changes in your weight since being on venla? Sleep problems.. or benefits?
And for any men reading - sexual side effects? I didn't have any negative sexual side effects on Citalopram (the reverse actually) - fingers crossed that it would be the same on venla?? :)
I actually lost a fair bit of weight before starting Ven and I have been on it for almost a year now. My weight has stayed fairly stable although my appetite is not as big as it was before. As for the sleep, I am a bit of a night owl anyway and always tired (can't really say if that is the Ven) at the beginning (and when I increased) I either had a little trouble sleeping or I slept a lot. When I do sleep, I sleep well though, just a few night sweats which I think is quite common with Ven.
The benefits for me have been that my anxiety is reduced and I can control it better, also my mood has stabilised very well. I have my bad days but they are less frequent and more manageable now.
Can't speak for the men, but no adverse sexual side effects for me :winks: lol. All things considered, this has proved to be a really good choice of medication for me.
Hi all,
Anni, hope your still ok and things are still ok with you?
Nicola, thinking of you and the stress your going through right now 're your holiday, but just think luv it's all thoughts!!! And those bloody thoughts send us under. Try to think of the other side the hotel,beach and the different surrounding for you to look around! It takes me back I used to go abroad 2/3 times a year and loved it truly,now I can't even think about it we have lost so much money due to me cancelling last min. So don't end up like me now.
Well I actually went to an event on Saturday!! My partner's mum's 80th. I havnt seen any friends or family since this episode 2 years ago!!
I woke feeling no anxiety,so I thought right I'm going. Think in background I had the option if it changes I don't have to go(big difference)
Anyway I WENT, had to take 2mg diazepam it was 40mins away on the hottest day of the year.
I had a couple of wobbles and those thoughts that hit the mind,but went outside into the garden(she lives in a retirement apartments complex with garden)
So was proud of myself for pushing myself to go.
Hope everyone else is doing ok.
Hi all
Well a crap day for me to say the least but not anxiety related.
I'm in fear of losing my job as a parent the daughter of a so called friend has gone in and made false accusations saying I'm putting the school and head teacher down and that I can share the kids levels amongst other things. I'm leaving next week but if I'm dismissed I doubt I can work in my new school.
This person is a trouble maker even her mum says she enjoys it. Can I be dismissed for this as her word against mine really upset. I refused to stay at work today as too upset
Hi Tracey,
Don't let this little girl loose you the job you want!!
Why would she say such things? As she over heard you perhaps? But maybe putting her version in?
Stand your ground Tracey, you have only 1 week left even if it takes little fibs to get you through do it.Do not let this little girl loose you your new job it's what you want and you want even be at that school after this week. Don't let it wind you up and get to you the little bitch causing trouble. Stand you ground, go goin tomorrow head held high and take no crap you have too much to loose.
Hopes all goes well. Xxx remember don't let her get away with it
She's not a little girl she's in her twentys but loves trouble but thanks for the support and I'm dreading tomorrow x
Oh right, read it wrong Tracey!
Well just stand your ground,think of yourself and children.
I don't really know what you mean she's done, but all the same it's her word against yours and she hasn't got any proof as she?
Just do your job keep your head down and don't take any bait 4 days to go. Xx
nicola1980
16-07-13, 00:46
Oh Tracy Im really sorry to hear this :hugs: some people just love causing bloody trouble but stand your ground hun and don't let this one person ruin your career :hugs: well Im all packed and ready to go tomorrow afternoon and Im not feeling too bad about it now, i was very calm yesterday packing and was actually looking forward to it :-) will try and keep updated whilst Im there but thanks for all your support x x
well done Nicola..I hope that you have a lovely time and try and relax.
Hi Clio..well done for getting out..such an achievement..be proud of yourself.
Tracy..this woman may have made claims against you but surely your head is with you and standing up for you. She cannot make any accusations without proof...which I'm sure she hasn't got, so its just hearsay. You hold your head up, shoulders back..you have nothing to reproach yourself about. Theres always some people out there that like to cause problems.
Anni
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Hello all.
Moving to this thread/ sub forum after 4 unsuccessful weeks on citalopram.
Psychiatrist has prescribed venlafaxine. Starting dose of 37.5mg for the first two doses and 75mg for 2 weeks following from that, with her idea of getting me up to 150mg or more.
I'd say that right now I am definitely scared of taking it - both from the possible negative side effects and then the potential future withdrawal.
Little worried that this drug will 'zombify' me - sincerely hope it doesn't as being alive, awake and having full cognition is pretty damn important to me.
Assurances very welcome...!
Hi
I have taken ven now for a couple of years and it has really helped me. It sounds a bit quick to put you up the doses so fast. Ask to go a bit more steady so that your body can get used to it. At first it made me feel sick, agitated, more anxious and low. But I stuck with it. It took about 5/6 weeks to start to kick in with me. I now take 150mg but it took a month or more to get to this level. I also had diazepam to help with some of the side effects. I feel alive and alert and just fine. Don't worry about withdrawal...concentrate on now. Have you just stopped the citilopram?
Hope you get on ok
Anni
Brilliant Nicola great turn around!
You will be ok,remember when your panicking breath from the stomach to calm you down.
Let's know how your doing when you can(during all your enjoyment):)
hi guys sorry been really busy having a new bathroom fitted
shedrain :welcome: ven has saved my life no side effects changing from cit maybe a bit of cit withdrawal but nothing much at all my weight has gone up but maybe im eating more because i feel better i sleep like a log i can do 9 hours a night no problem you will be fine and were all here for you if you need support good luck xx
tracey what can i say as the others say stand your ground and they will probably know that she is a known trouble maker im sure it will work out ok for you you cant be dismissed on hearsay so good luck with the new job
clio you sound as if your getting there too well done for going to the party i know how hard that can be when you feel anxious and the tabs gave me heartburn when i switched to the caps no problem so worth a try hun xx
nicola hope you have a good holiday hunni just take your diazapam and because you are much better than you were last year once you get there and settle doen you will be fine and nice to spend some time with jack and hubby get a lovely tan and relax xxxxx
kitti nice to hear from you too hope you are keeping well you seem to be doing o too
i am 100% norml now but im always around for support if needed
ive lost half a stone :yesyes: next weigh in thursday still not smoking been 4 months now so just the weight to crack
:hugs: to all my ven buddies are you all enjoying te heatwave my hair is always soaking wet :blush: but its nice to see summer xxxxx
Hi all,
Just got back from a sweltering day at work to find my little hound had had 'an accident' so I've been busy disinfecting, washing and then bathing the little angel. Just sat in a field mid-walk trying to cool off a bit before heading back to work on my assignment. I'm sure one day I'll find a minute to relax!
I'm off next week so if I can get my assignment done over the weekend, there's hope for a bit of me-time. What are the odds of rain next week?
I hope you're all ok. I'd love to spend a bit more time posting on here but I'm rushed off my feet with everything else I have to do.
Take care and big hugs all round
Pip xxx
hi guys sorry been really busy having a new bathroom fitted
shedrain :welcome: ven has saved my life no side effects changing from cit maybe a bit of cit withdrawal but nothing much at all my weight has gone up but maybe im eating more because i feel better i sleep like a log i can do 9 hours a night no problem you will be fine and were all here for you if you need support
Thank you! :yesyes:
Really hoping that ven will be the answer for me - but also keenly aware that I don't want to be on it forever. - so a bit nervous about the discontinuation symptoms too.
here's to hoping... :)
shedrain dont think abou coming off just concentrate on getting better
i have reduced from 150mg to 75mg with no problems at all and only because i was feeling better
you have to get your self right before you even think about reducing
you will be fine keep posting for help i know pip has come off these and is still here to tell the tale
take care xxx
pip when are you going to relax just laughing at that wee angel i take it its ralph having the accidents still young yet
hope you have a lovely week off dont know about rain bt i think its to get a tad cooler xxxx
Thank you! :yesyes:
Really hoping that ven will be the answer for me - but also keenly aware that I don't want to be on it forever. - so a bit nervous about the discontinuation symptoms too.
here's to hoping... :)
Hi there,
I agree with Pink, Ven's been a life saver for me too and don't dwell on withdrawing - cross that bridge when you come to it. I can reassure you though that I've come off it twice and it was nothing compared to anxiety at its worst and if I can do it, anyone can.
In answer to your previous question about, ahem, performance, I noticed a few effects at first but it settles down. I can't say that it's great for the libido though but, tbh, I'd rather feel like I can function in everyday life than feel like a randy teenager (again!). I think I might be a bit past that stage at 42 anyway :whistles:
Pip
P.S. Pink - yes, it was Ralph. At least he didn't eat it this time but that's another (disgusting) story.
Still Breathing
17-07-13, 19:19
Hi there. My name's Lez. I found this site by accident while searching for forums about sad songs (I wrote an awful lot of them myself, and have just started listening to music again)
By the length of this thread and its title, a lot of people must be finding venlafaxine a good med to switch to, but I can't say that I'm one of them.:huh:
I've been on and off various meds over the last 20 years or so for anxiety and depression. A couple of months ago my doctor decided to switch me from citalopram to venlafaxine to try and help with some other issues I have - extreme tiredness and stomach problems, which he is convinced are caused by mental issues, as he hasn't been able to find any other reasons for them! The venlafaxine (initially 150mg day) didn't help at all - just screwed up my sleep, and caused sexual dysfunction worse than any others I've been on. After a month, I reported the fact that they were worse than the citalopram (left out the dysfunction bit though :blush:) and he then just doubled my dose to 300mg a day!! I knew these meds weren't right for me and decided to stop them myself after reading a lot of reports on the net of people suffering similar permanent side effects. I thought about stepping them down as I have coming off other meds, but that would have meant staying on them for a lot longer, and I wasn't prepared to do this, so I decided to go cold turkey. The withdrawal from these was easily the worst I've had coming off any meds in the past. If that's how bad it is after just 6 weeks on them, I can't imagine how bad it must be for people that have been taking this stuff for years.
I certainly don't want to put people off taking them - they could be just what the doctor ordered!:roflmao: but I really think doctors should make patients more aware of the problems, and difficulty of withdrawal, because for some, these tablets have wrecked their lives.
I did have to return to my doctor last week because I work as a volunteer at the local hospital, and after throwing a bit of a wobbly one day during my withdrawal symptoms :scared10:, I had to report to Occupational Health, and they wouldn't let me return to work without an all clear from a professional. I'm now over the withdrawal symptoms, and my doctor has agreed to leave me off meds for a month to see how things go, but I'm suffering from lack of AD's now, so I'm not sure quite what I'm going to do next. I've never liked relying on meds, but without them life is tricky! With clarity comes depression for me, and my head is clearer at the moment than it has been for some time.:sad:
Hi Lez and:welcome:,
What you tend to find is that people have very different experiences on different meds - what some people find makes them 10 times worse may give someone else their life back. Unfortunately, the only real way to find out what works is by taking them. Research shows though that the more times you swap, the less likely you are to find an AD that works.
Regarding withdrawal, it's not easy but, as I said yesterday, it was a walk in the park compared to the anxiety I suffered when I was at my worst. Twice I went cold turkey from them (against doctor's orders btw - they told me to taper which I will next time) and I would describe it as unpleasant for a week and then I was fine. Again, I think it's different for everyone.
The most important thing is to find the treatment that suits you best, be that meds or therapy, and worry about the future when it comes. The worst scenario, in my opinion, is to choose not to take a course of action for fear of what might happen further down the line and continue suffering.
Keep looking because there's something out there that will help you - it can take a long time to find it though - I know, I've suffered from anxiety for the best part of 30 years. I guess you get out of treatment what you put in too. I'd love to say my little orange capsule does all the work for me while I put my feet up but I have to work a lot harder at staying on track than it does!
Take care
Pip
Hi everyone, been away for abit.
Had a few ups and downs.
But back on track now, still on 75mg and still got tinnitus!
Hope everyone's well.
Gav.
Good to hear from you Gav. What have you been up to and how's Mrs. Spawn?
Pip x
Hiya Pip, I've been away in France fishing, and mostly working.
Oh and been trying to sort garden out at home.
I had a really bad panic attack a while ago and it's put me back a few months, took me a long time to get over it!
And the wife is good thanks, she's still so supportive as well. X
I need to vent/moan/seek advice :unsure:
I'm day 6 on Venlafaxine. First 2 days on 37.5mg and last 4 days on 75mg.
Mostly, I have good things to report... I do feel less depressed and the last 2 nights I have actually slept through the night, without a sleeping pill for the first time in months!!
I also feel a little bit less anxious overall... however, the last 2 days have been a little different. Yesterday I just felt a little bit more on edge and found myself going into myself and worrying more. Today I've felt really on edge, uneasy, chest tightness and general anxious feelings, and as a result I started to feel very down and frustrated and just wanted to have a little cry.. but couldn't--- I'm sure it must be the venla.. but I have been totally physically unable to cry! :weep:
So right now.. I suppose I just need a little re-assurance... is this going to get better, when will I know when it's working or not - another week or so??
I spoke to the doctor today and she said that treating depression is easier than treating anxiety (I have an anxiety disorder and anxiety led depression) - she implied that assuming this will be the right med for me then I could end up on them indefinitely... :( - is this a possibility??
Also.. she is keen to get my dose upped to 150mg which she referred to as the therepeutic dose and that 75mg is only a half dose--- is this correct??! How would I know when to do this, or if I need to? -- to be honest I'm very scared about increasing the dose as I have it in my mind that the side effects will increase the higher the dose.? is that right??
Please someone guide me as to what i can expect and advise on dosages :scared15::scared15::unsure::unsure::unsure::unsur e:
Sheraton,
Don't be rushed into upping your dose.
I started on 37.5 for 2 weeks then upped to 75mg for 6 weeks then 2 weeks at 112.5 then 150mg which I am still on .
I got that feeling of going into myself and would just sit and look out of the patio window at nothing! Felt like I wanted to cry but had lost my emotions! No tears would fall weird.
For me it was very slow in working,im a bit med scared lol but everybody is different even with there SE.
Go at the pace you feel comfortable with, 150mg is supposed to be the therapeutic dose but go slowly getting there or you may get loads of SE.
Hi Shedrain,
How you're feeling is exactly what I would have expected. It takes a few weeks, even months, for ven to take full effect and for the side effects to settle down. Having said that, your early signs are really encouraging so stick with it.
I always say go with your doctor's advice but I'll give you my opinion anyway:
75mg is a therapeutic dose which, as a term, is irrelevant in any case. Everyone's different so what works for me might not work for you.
It's always best to give it a good few weeks on a dose before deciding it's not working and increasing.
I would stick to the lowest dose that works for you - you'll know this when it happens. The easiest way is to keep a record of how anxious you feel each day and then look back and see if you've improved and by how much. Try scoring your day in terms of overall anxiety.
Side effects can increase with dose but they generally settle down - I now have very few.
You may have to stay on it indefinitely but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
To reassure you, we've all been exactly where you are now. If you look back to the very first posts on this thread, you'll see us all anxious and discussing increases and side effects. We're here for support whenever you need it.
Hope that helps
Pip
Btw, I'm on 150 and have been for well over a year.
P.S. Shedrain - have a read of this thread where I was posting when I was at exactly the same stage as you. You might find it encouraging:
http://www.nomorepanic.co.uk/showthread.php?t=108125
Pip
Thank you Clio and pip for your kind replies :-)
I had a read of the other thread as suggested and it did help, especially to know that lots of you did have more anxiety in the first couple of weeks.
This morning has already been difficult. Woke up all shaky and nervous over nothing again. Still really anxious with chest tightness after showering so have taken 2.5mg diazepam.
To be honest even though I might outwardly appear Much better than I have been when unmedicated and in the full throws of this horrible illness, I still feel like I just want to curl up in a ball and have a good cry because I'm so frustrated that I'm not better yet. I just want my life to go back to normal.
Will be my 7th day on venla today (5th day on 75mg). Really worried that the day will have lots more anxiety in store for me :-( :-( :-(
How long did it take all of you before you really felt that you had levelled out and lost the anxiety?
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For some reason the 2.5mg diazepam made me much more drowsy than it normally would - in fact I normally barely feel it. But for some reason today I took it and ended up zonked out on the sofa for an hour. Very odd.
Man I hope I will get properly better soon. And I don't just mean 'managing to get by' but actually feeling like I'm on the top of my game like I was a year ago and for the rest of my life prior to that.
I still have feelings that if I don't end up fixed then I'm better off not being here anymore :-(
nicola1980
19-07-13, 13:02
Hi everyone, Im writing this as Im sat by the pool :D I've had zero anxiety or panic since I've been here, had a bit of a wobble when walking onto the plane but was fine when we were up in the air! Its so lovely not to feel anxious id almost forgot what normal had felt like but Im not getting too excited Im just enjoying it whilst it lasts! Im really enjoying myself and its lovely relaxing by the pool, sending everyone love and hugs x x x
:D:D:D:D:D:D Nicola that is absolutely great news and gives me hope. Have a great holiday
Love Sam
:yesyes:
Fantastic Nicola, enjoy enjoy!
Nic - not at all jealous about the pool :whistles: Where are you? I guess you don't get to Blackpool by plane...
Shedrain - it probably took about 2 weeks before I started to settle down and then I continued to improve for another couple of months. You have to be in it for the long haul but it's worth persevering. As I said last night, we've all been there and know how hard it can be but I wouldn't tell you to stick with it if I didn't think it would be worth it. Post as often as you need to if it helps - there's always someone around to give you a bit of moral support, and people who would appreciate yours too.
Pip
nicola1980
19-07-13, 15:22
Thanks guys, Im in Malta for 2 weeks with a load of family :D x x
Thanks Pip.
I suppose I get worried because I was on citalopram for a month , saw initial improvements and then all it did was send me into a deeper depression and made me suicidal.. I suppose I'm just desperately hoping that this is the right med.
The anxiety has been quite bad today again.. But just trying to battle through. Gives me some comfort that you saw changes 2 weeks in. I do remember now that my pdoc mentioned that when ven starts to work it starts slowly and to expect a very slow and gradual improvement. So remembering that does help I suppose. Just the initial worsening of anxiety that I didn't expect.
Thanks for your support - and yes, I hope to be able to support others too!
Thanks again,
S
Hi all
Well I've just changed over from tablet venlafaxine to capsule(taste issue's etc)
Quick question to you all.
My tablets were venlalic co 150mg
My capsules are efexor xl 150mg pfizer
What are your makes???
how do you know if there branded or generic, have tried to Google but can't get an answer answer to my question.
Clio,
I'm on Efexor 150 and they're the original brand. To me, it doesn't make any difference what the make is - they all seem to work the same. Did you have a specific reason for asking and what are you trying to find on google? I might be able to help.
Pip
Hi pip,
I was trying to find out if the one I'm on is the branded one and not generic.
As I've heard doctors give you the cheapest form first.
Clio,
They nearly all prescribe generic (ie. write venlafaxine on the prescription rather than efexor) and it then depends on the pharmacy which brand you get. The doctor will specify tablets or capsules so if you're now on capsules, I imagine your prescription will read venlafaxine MR capsules 150mg. If it does and you've got efexor, it means that's the brand your pharmacy stocks (which mine does).
Does that answer your question?
clio i am on effexor too now just 75mg caps
my pharmacy always gves me effexor although my script say venlafaxine but im sure effexor is the branded med but as pip says dont think there much difference hope you get some relief on them xx
Hi all
How is everyone?? I'm great at the moment anxiety wise, had a really bad week at school but think that's settled now and start a new school September anyway.
Sort if looking forward to summer hols just hope can keep the kids occupied xx
nicola1980
21-07-13, 01:39
Hi everyone, Im up at this stupid hour after having too much Baileys to drink last night lol, my heads pounding, still pretty good anxiety wise tho and really enjoying the holiday so far, I've not felt this relaxed in a long time, jacks having a great time which is the main thing! Its really really hot tho but getting a nice tan :D we had some bad news just before we left my mums cousin committed suicide :-( we're a very close knit family so its hit my mum very hard but Im trying to support her as best i can whilst we are here, its very sad and he must have been in such despair to do something like that, he was such a lovely man too and would do anything for anyone but he just didn't get the help he needed :-( I've coped with the news very well tho its just my mum Im worried about but Im trying to be strong for her and give her the support she needs, we're just hoping the funeral is when we get back so we don't have to miss it, sorry for the doom and gloom post but it just shows Im getting better as normally id have gone to pieces but i haven't which means i can give my mun the support she needs at the min and try and get her to enjoy the holiday as best she can, lots of love and hugs to everyone x x x
Hi Nicola
We've all over indulged sometime or other,at the time it's great feeling relaxed and having a good time.it's the after effects that make us think never again!
But sounds like your enjoying it it,which is the main thing! And you did it!
Sorry to hear about your mum's cousin, must of been a shock! Like you say he must of been in a very dark place and not enough support!
Don't get to brown! Lol
Hello all, hope you're all doing well.
I'm 10 days on even now (75mg) and after a trip to the doctors this morning, I'm going up to 112.5mg in a few days.
Still getting lots of uneasy feelings and feeling very on edge and had a little bit more of a blip when I thought about one of my triggers.
So I have a question for you all - how much can even help if you are unable to, at least in the next year, do anything about the trigger - it will always be there. Will vrn likely get me to the point that when confronted with the triggers, I will be able to deal with them without going into a state of heightened anxiety?? Or even with the ven will I still be unable to deal with the triggers?
What Have everyone's experiences been with this - I.e. if your trigger was a particular person, or your job, Or social situations or relationships or another situation/place/experience... Did the ven get you over this by itself or did you still have to avoid the trigger?
Hello all, hope you're all doing well.
I'm 10 days on even now (75mg) and after a trip to the doctors this morning, I'm going up to 112.5mg in a few days.
Still getting lots of uneasy feelings and feeling very on edge and had a little bit more of a blip when I thought about one of my triggers.
So I have a question for you all - how much can even help if you are unable to, at least in the next year, do anything about the trigger - it will always be there. Will vrn likely get me to the point that when confronted with the triggers, I will be able to deal with them without going into a state of heightened anxiety?? Or even with the ven will I still be unable to deal with the triggers?
What Have everyone's experiences been with this - I.e. if your trigger was a particular person, or your job, Or social situations or relationships or another situation/place/experience... Did the ven get you over this by itself or did you still have to avoid the trigger?
Hi there,
I got a little muddled with your post but I catch your drift. For me, triggers (and other situations that cause me anxiety and worry) are much easier to deal with. The anxiety doesn't go all together but it's much, much easier to cope with. I feel that if I rated my usual anxiety from 1 to 10, I now can't get up to the 8, 9 or 10 point.
Does that help?
Pip
Hi there,
I got a little muddled with your post but I catch your drift. For me, triggers (and other situations that cause me anxiety and worry) are much easier to deal with. The anxiety doesn't go all together but it's much, much easier to cope with. I feel that if I rated my usual anxiety from 1 to 10, I now can't get up to the 8, 9 or 10 point.
Does that help?
Pip
Thanks, Pip.
That does help. My problem is that I worry and get anxious about the insecurities of employment and how the future ties into that - so unfortunately, work is a bit of a trigger for me.
I'm currently off and had a good bit on anxiety when thinking about going back - so I suppose I'm wondering if , when the even properly kicks in, that I'll be able to much better handle the every day stresses and overall worry about work without having an anxious freak out...?
Shedrain
It doesn't work that quick and I think it's a multiple of things that help not just meds!
Time is one and perhaps thing's like cbt,mindfulness,relaxation CD, yoga just to mention a few. You find what work's for you.
Meds alone I don't think think work. Small steps
Shedrain
It doesn't work that quick and I think it's a multiple of things that help not just meds!
Time is one and perhaps thing's like cbt,mindfulness,relaxation CD, yoga just to mention a few. You find what work's for you.
Meds alone I don't think think work. Small steps
Thanks Clio :-)
I'm currently practicing yoga every day for 20 mins at home and go to one class a week. I also meditate for 20 minutes a day and go to a meditation class every week. Although that has only been the last 10 days..
Also 1 to 2 acupuncture treatments a week.
On a waiting list for CBT too.
Trying to attack this from every angle!
I suppose after a disastrous month on citalopram, I'm hoping the ven will work pretty quickly to get me back on track. I have noticed positive differences (most of the depression has lifted and I'm sleeping better, but a lot of the anxiety is still there). - I suppose everyone with anxiety questions when they or of they will get better during their course of treatment..
How long was it before you noticed a big difference, Clio?
S
11 days on venla now. Last two nights didn't sleep very well (I did start sleeping quite well in the first week on venla so I'm hoping that the really light sleep is more a function of how hot it has been rather than the venla. Hopefully I'll sleep better tonight, if not, then I'll probably be dropping a zopiclone Wednesday night.
I feel quite down and on edge again today. Also starting to scare myself quite a lot about what my future has in store for me as I never expected my life to turn out like this in the first place. Assuming that venla will fix my anxiety and depression, I don't have a problem having to take a pill every day for the rest of my life - but then it scares me that if I do have to take the venla for the for seeable future that it will poop out on me and I'll be back at the start of trying to find a medication that controls my symptoms without unmanageable side effects like chronic sleep issues (hyper or hypo Sonia), weight gain, sexual dysfunction etc. This might just be the anxiety talking but I have really scared myself. I mean.. I have a happy relationship and the potential to be working in a high level job.. But what if 5 years down the line I'm still taking the venla, in a good job, married, kids etc. And then the venla starts to poop out?? What if I lost the job I had at that point in time as a result? Stopped being able to provide for the family that I have always wanted? It just scares me a lot and makes me feel really worthless :-( :-(
Bottom line... I'm really, really scared about what the future holds and the venla hasn't even fully kicked in yet :-(
Well.. I wrote my last update when sitting in the waiting room for my first appt with a pdoc.
Good hour and a half appointment. Bottom line, despite only being 11 days on venla at 75mg XR, she wrote me a prescription to up it to 150mg XR. She told me that after a week if there are any really negative side effects then we can just take the dose back down again, but as I went onto 75mg nearly problem free, she isn't anticipating any problems.
I'm desperate to get back to work in 1 month.. so hoping that worse case scenario and I get bad SE on the 150mg I will have enough time to drop back down to 75 and get over any discontinuation effects?
Still quite scared about upping the dose.. it's just another case of what to expect with the unknown :shrug::shrug:
So I suppose I will drop my first 150mg capsule tonight and cross my fingers whilst being prepared to feel a little weird for the first week.
Any advice much appreciated --
sorry for bombing this thread with so many posts!! :noangel::whistles:
Hi Shedrain (is it shed rain or she drain?)
I went from 75 to 150 with virtually no problems. In fact, I hardly noticed though I did stop off at 112.5 for a few days in between. You've been prescribed the extended release capsules which are good - I find it best to take them after breakfast as they can interrupt my sleep a bit if I take them at night.
What brand have you got from the pharmacy? They're all pretty much the same but I like to be nosey!
Pip
nicola1980
24-07-13, 00:26
Hi shedrain, i noticed a huge difference when i increased to 150mg infact i wish id done it sooner as my anxiety and panic lessened considerably, good luck x x
Hi shedrain, i noticed a huge difference when i increased to 150mg infact i wish id done it sooner as my anxiety and panic lessened considerably, good luck x x
That's really good to hear. Thank you for the encouragement!
Hi Shedrain (is it shed rain or she drain?)
It's Shed Rain - I'm rubbish at choosing handles and as I was signing up to the forum I saw an umbrella across the room that said 'Shed Rain' on the handle. I thought it fitting..!
I went from 75 to 150 with virtually no problems. In fact, I hardly noticed though I did stop off at 112.5 for a few days in between. You've been prescribed the extended release capsules which are good - I find it best to take them after breakfast as they can interrupt my sleep a bit if I take them at night.
What brand have you got from the pharmacy? They're all pretty much the same but I like to be nosey!
Pip
Thanks Pip, I was prescribed 56 caps (so two boxes), they only had one in stock which are the Alventa ones, but I'm due to pick up the next box today and apparently the next box and the boxes going forth with be Effexor.
I popped the first capsule last night, and I did indeed have problems sleeping. Woke up at 3 and didn't get back to sleep again. I find that a little bit odd because the 75mg made me quite dozy about 30 minutes after taking them and I generally slept very well on them. I don't remember getting that dozy feeling last night. I think I'll continue with them at night for the next couple of nights to see if they settle in, and if not I'll move them to the morning.
If I move them to the morning, is it best to take my first morning dose the morning after I took an evening dose, or to go through and wait 36 hours?
So far no unmanagelable side effects, very slight nausea in the night as well as the insomnia. But let's see how it pans out. I think I can still get an erection! :blush:
Morning all,
Damp and dreary up here in Yorkshire this morning and it still feels quite humid. I'm not going to complain though as we've had some lovely weather recently. I got bitten to death by flies when I was out walking on Monday and I also nearly stood on a snake. At least it wasn't the other way round...
Shed - I get the name now. I was thinking shed as in the place you keep your lawn mower rather than to shed. I've taken Alventa and it's fine. I took a dislike to the 150mg packaging though - I thought it looked like it should be for contraceptive pills! If you decide to move to the morning, I would leave it longer rather than take it earlier. You could take it 2 or 3 hours later each day until you're in the morning. The only problem would be that you'd need to get up in the night and also eat something. It would only be for a few days though, I guess. Regarding any problems with the little fella, I've not suffered from that. Without being too explicit, I did find that sex lasted longer, sometimes rather too long, which I'm sure the ladies would think was a good thing! It wears off after a while though.
Off to supervise the hounds who seem to be in fighting mode this morning and are making some very odd noises...
Pip x
Morning all,
Damp and dreary up here in Yorkshire this morning and it still feels quite humid. I'm not going to complain though as we've had some lovely weather recently. I got bitten to death by flies when I was out walking on Monday and I also nearly stood on a snake. At least it wasn't the other way round...
Shed - I get the name now. I was thinking shed as in the place you keep your lawn mower rather than to shed. I've taken Alventa and it's fine. I took a dislike to the 150mg packaging though - I thought it looked like it should be for contraceptive pills! If you decide to move to the morning, I would leave it longer rather than take it earlier. You could take it 2 or 3 hours later each day until you're in the morning. The only problem would be that you'd need to get up in the night and also eat something. It would only be for a few days though, I guess. Regarding any problems with the little fella, I've not suffered from that. Without being too explicit, I did find that sex lasted longer, sometimes rather too long, which I'm sure the ladies would think was a good thing! It wears off after a while though.
Off to supervise the hounds who seem to be in fighting mode this morning and are making some very odd noises...
Pip x
Humid down here in the South west too.
Look after the hounds! - unfortunately my 11 year old lab passed away yesterday :( very, very sad. You never quite realise just how much they mean to you until they're gone.
I can see what you mean about packaging for Contraceptive pills - but.. I suppose they're only going to be sitting in my bedside drawer and I won't be taking them out in public. I'm quite curious as to what the effexor packaging will look like.
I do feel some heightened anxiety this morning, chest tightness and feeling on edge. But I do remember this happening on the first week of 75mg so hoping it's just a short time side effect that will go away - at least trying to stay away from going into panic mode and have the worrysome thoughts that I might not get better or be able to go back to work :(
Off for a shower now :)
Aw I am sorry about your dog, I lost my little Westie 2 years ago and was mortified so I make no wonder you are feeling anxious on top of an increase. I had a panic attack the night I lost Bonnie, hope you will be ok darl xx
Nicola I hope you are having a fab holiday xxxx
How is every one else, my cousin was telling me she takes Venlafaxine when I saw her at her brothers BBQ on Friday night and she is doing brilliantly on it.
Aw I am sorry about your dog, I lost my little Westie 2 years ago and was mortified so I make no wonder you are feeling anxious on top of an increase. I had a panic attack the night I lost Bonnie, hope you will be ok darl xx
Nicola I hope you are having a fab holiday xxxx
How is every one else, my cousin was telling me she takes Venlafaxine when I saw her at her brothers BBQ on Friday night and she is doing brilliantly on it.
Thanks Karen. It was devastating. She lost weight very suddenly about 2 months ago, and even with trying to feed her up she couldn't put the weight back on. Last week we noticed that all of her skin was cracking up and peeling off - took her to the vets and they gave antibiotics and creams. But yesterday afternoon she had a seizure in the living room, was fitting, couldn't get up. Rushed her to the vets and it was at that point that it was clear there was nothing they could do and she had to put down. Just before they injected the stuff into her she looked up at me with eyes that showed nothing but pure love and her tail wagged a little bit. And then I watched her slump down slowly. Absolutely devastating and I think it's going to take me a little while to get over :weep::weep:
Good to hear the positive news about your cousin! Was it more A or D she has been taking it for do you know? - Always nice to hear positive stories! :)
Thanks Karen. It was devastating. She lost weight very suddenly about 2 months ago, and even with trying to feed her up she couldn't put the weight back on. Last week we noticed that all of her skin was cracking up and peeling off - took her to the vets and they gave antibiotics and creams. But yesterday afternoon she had a seizure in the living room, was fitting, couldn't get up. Rushed her to the vets and it was at that point that it was clear there was nothing they could do and she had to put down. Just before they injected the stuff into her she looked up at me with eyes that showed nothing but pure love and her tail wagged a little bit. And then I watched her slump down slowly. Absolutely devastating and I think it's going to take me a little while to get over :weep::weep:
That's heartbreaking - no wonder you're upset. It's the moment we dog owners dread the most and the way you've described those last moments, well, I don't know what to say. It makes me visualise being in that situation with my dogs and it doesn't bear thinking about. Try to remember all the great things you did together - you'll never forget her.
Take care
Pip x
That's heartbreaking - no wonder you're upset. It's the moment we dog owners dread the most and the way you've described those last moments, well, I don't know what to say. It makes me visualise being in that situation with my dogs and it doesn't bear thinking about. Try to remember all the great things you did together - you'll never forget her.
Take care
Pip x
Thanks Pip.
The venla induced insomnia last night allowed me to spend a lot of the night thinking about all the good times and how her life has been. Apart from the last couple of months she had a great life, no health problems, always lean, fit with a healthy coat. Always playful, greedy (given half an opportunity) and always knew when something was wrong and came to snuggle. Those were the good times. I'll get over it though and although she'll be missed, she won't be forgotten.
Thanks for your support :-) :hugs:
shed im so sorry about your dog i know exactly what that feels like its no wonder you are suffering with anxiety
it took me a long time to get over the loss of my dogs and as pip says its the one thing we all dread my heart goes out to you
you seem to be doing wel on the ven i sleep 9 hours a night with no probs at all hang on in there and you will get there xx
nicola glad you are enjoying your holiday you will have a great tan when you get back xx
pip are you taking an antihistamie for your bites you seem to be prone to them
hows you asthma had stephen round with flloyd today and boy he is growing but rosie is not to keen but we managed to keep them apart we took them for a walk together but she is a diva and wanted her own space but there was no fighting he just wants to plat and she wants to be left alone told you she was a diva :D
will email you soon and the photos of your 2 pooches are just 2 cute !!!!!
im doing really well just now and feel i have recovered well from the anxiety and depression i had my breakdown in july 2010 and never thought i would be me again but here i am living proof that things do get back to normal
anni i have answered your pm hunni xxxx
:hugs: to all my ven buddies xxxxx
nicola1980
24-07-13, 18:51
Hi everyone, Im still doing well anxiety and panic wise but the heat is starting to get to me now, its getting hotter everyday! Im starting to miss home now as well so i wish we had only come for a week really but everyone else wanted to come for 2! Im really missing my cat too and worrying about him being in the cattery but keep ringing to check on him lol! Im on countdown now till we fly home next Tuesday but its been nice to get away just a bit too long for me! Love and hugs to you all x x
Hi all,
Pink - yes, I'm taking antihistamines to stop my bites swelling up too much. My normal ones didn't seem to be working yesterday so I took another type and they knocked me out completely - I was like a zombie in a bad mood. I've changed brand again and I'm ok today. My asthma is excellent. Since starting back on the steroids, I've not had an attack at all which is quite something in this humid weather.
Nic - enjoy the rest of your holiday. The weather's unbelievably humid here - it's quite oppressive and you're better off with the drier heat in the Med. I'm sure your cat's having a whale of a time, bossing all the other cats around. It'll be lovely to see him when you're back though. Great that you're doing so well - it's been a long road!
I've officially given up on my garden which, due to 2 dogs and dry weather, looks like a bomb's gone off in it. All the plants are chewed to death, the grass is brown and there are holes everywhere. The only thing alive in it are weeds and flies. No doubt it'll be flooded next.
Time for the dogs' early evening walk.
Take care
Pip
nicola1980
25-07-13, 01:30
Hi everyone, Im up at this stupid time as overdid the Baileys again last night so just woke with a throbbing headache :-( but Im on holiday so i don't care lol just took a couple of painkillers! We've had the flash floods back in my home town and unfortunately alot of homes have been badly affected but luckily all of ours who Im away with are fine, I've seen pictures of the devastation back at my town and its awful, cars floating under water, peoples houses ruined its so sad but we lite in a small town so people are rallying round. Right that's me back off to bad! Love to all x x x
shed im so sorry about your dog i know exactly what that feels like its no wonder you are suffering with anxiety
it took me a long time to get over the loss of my dogs and as pip says its the one thing we all dread my heart goes out to you
you seem to be doing wel on the ven i sleep 9 hours a night with no probs at all hang on in there and you will get there xx
Thank you. It's sad but I am slowly getting over it.
Last night I took my second 150mg dose.. and a zopiclone to sleep. But still woke up at 3am and had intermittant light sleep from then on. Woke up feeling a little more anxiety. Really hoping that these are just start up side effects from the increased dose. :wacko:
For the TMI section..:
One thing I have noticed now on the second day of 150mg is that my erection strength has definitely decreased. This didn't happen on the lower dose of 75mg so I am a little nervous that it's going to kill my sex life. I suppose I'll give it the full week, see how I feel and if no improvement I might have to reduce back the dose. Quite scared about all of this :(
Ugh. Really not feeling good today. :-( tired from 2 nights of really bad sleep. Headaches. Bit dizzy, mouth dry from the venla (didn't have that on 75mg) and really worried about the bit of erectile dysfunction that seems to be going on now.
Second guessing the decision to increase the dose now... Or maybe I should have increased but only to 112.5
I was starting to notice such massive improvements on the 75mg with no unmanageable side effects. But now... :(:weep:
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Update - doc has lowered me to 112.5mg to see if that kicks the insomnia and ED. Instructions to leave it for a week and if no improvement reduce again back to 75mg. *sigh* what I would give to just be 100% better!
Shed,
That sounds like a sensible move. It did seem a bit hasty to increase so quickly. I was on 75mg for about 8 months before increasing. I can honestly say I was still improving on 75mg upto about 3 months - it's slow progress but worth it in the end.
Pip
Shed,
That sounds like a sensible move. It did seem a bit hasty to increase so quickly. I was on 75mg for about 8 months before increasing. I can honestly say I was still improving on 75mg upto about 3 months - it's slow progress but worth it in the end.
Pip
I suppose I can only see what happens. Think I will do 75mg xr before bed and 37.5mg xr after breakfast. As I say, all I can do is wait the 5-7 days as instructed by the doc, hope the anxiety subsides and my full sexual function comes back.
For me the fear is not finding that nice steady, stable dose that keeps me anxiety free, sleeping properly and maintaining my ability to partake in sexy time :-)
should the 112.5mg still be too much, after 5 to 7 days on that dose, is it likely that I will experience any discontinuation symptoms if i go back to 75?
Update - took 75mg last night band slept beautifully which was a relief. Then took the 37.5mg this morning which made me quite drowsy for a few hours.
Overall I've felt a little bit more on edge today and a lot more introspective as well as being a bit dizzy/headachy.
Really hope I can Get better. Need to be back in work a month from today....
Hi all. This is my first post on here but I've been mooching around the site for years. I've been on 75mg vanlafaxine more on than off for around ten years after a breakdown at 20 after my son was born. I have long periods when I seem to get a long fine but in January this year I had a bit of a setback after a stressful time, anxiety through the roof. I got through it with medication and cbt and life was back to normal. I went on holiday recently not a relaxing one! left my son home too and it all came back to bite me. The doc thinks I've knocked myself off balance a bit, I don't like flying, stressful holiday and routine change (my big issue). He has upped my venlafaxine to 2 a day to be reviewed in a month. I'm a bit wary as I've always got by before, I also know from experience how hard they are to stop (not keen on having even more). I forgot to ask him when to take them. I currently take one in the morning, so should I take the other at night or also in the morning? Any advice appreciated
Roxy,
First, :welcome: to our little thread. There are plenty of us here with experience of venlafaxine so there's always someone who'll know the answer.
Speaking of which, to answer your question, you need to know whether you're on the standard tablets or the extended (or modified) release tablets or capsules. If you're not sure, it will say in the information leaflet.
Standard - my pharmacist told me to take them 12 hours apart. This is due to the relatively short half-life (basically, how long they stay in your system). If you took them both together, the levels in your system would be dropping a fair bit by the time you took the next one).
Extended - my GP said to take both together as they are released slowly into the system over the course of the day.
Important with both is for you to stick to roughly the same time(s) each day. If in doubt, ask your pharmacist or GP.
Hope that helps
Pip
Thanks pip. They are extended release so I think I'll stick to the morning morning and see how I get on. it's taken me a while to post on here but I must say it's very comforting to know there are so many people in the same boat as me. Thank you for the warm welcome x
Roxy,
When I went from 75 to 150, I still had a couple of packets of 75s left and my GP just said take 2 in the morning instead of one. I did go to 112.5 for a week or so in between, just to make it smoother.
Good luck and keep joining in
Pip
nicola1980
27-07-13, 00:29
Hi all, well its bloody hot out here, they appear to be having a heatwave too and over the weekend its supposed to reach 42 degrees! Now i can stand the heat but today it was unbearable i just didn't know what to do with myself it was that hot! Im still coping well anxiety and panic wise but seeing my psychiatrist on Wed the day after we get home, i truly believed this holiday would be a nightmare anxiety wise but I've been the calmest I've felt in years! Think i night move out here lol but seriously Im getting homesick now and ready to home, hope everybody is ok sending love and hugs x x x
Hi all.
Day 15 of venla and day 2 of dose change to 112.5mg
A bit of a rough morning this morning - the first like it since being on this med actually. Just woke up about 7 and was just shaking with anxiety for 3 hours with some brief respite of little bits of sleep. But had to take 2 x2.5mg doses of diazepam spread over the three hours to try and relax me which is double what I normally have to take in a day.
Is this usual when changing doses if so how long can I expect it to go on for??? It's horrible and when I'm in that moment I get all the dark suicidal thoughts :-(
Can I have some advice pleeease :-(
Hi all,
Nicola sounds like your doing really well, I know what you mean about missing home! It's silly isn't it we want holidays yet can't wait to get back!!! my bed is the best thing I like to come back too. Enjoy your last few days.
Don't worry about the diazepam shed, I say if you need it to settle the symptoms then take it.
I changed from tablets to capsules and also from day time dose to night time because of a few problems. But have now gone back to morning dose,so have gone 32 hours without ven and this morn don't feel to good don't know if its real symptoms or psychosomatic. Roll on tomorrow when it will maybe of levelled out a bit more,also with the capsules I've noticed I've had heartburn after taking them! So will see if this continues whilst taking them in the day time if it does then I'll have to go back on tablet form.
She'd it's quite normal to get everything out of hand and anxiety levels up when doing something different with our meds look at me now!!
When I first started ven can't remember how far in but I had real suicide thoughts, so so real I was at the planning stage!! So try not to dwell or worry it will pass. I thought I was ready for being admitted!
Also try not to count your days you have to get back to work,this is putting pressure on you. Try to look at it if you feeling better by then great if not it's not the end of the world and maybe a little more time is needed.
Update. Was bit of of sorts today,think it was going 35 hours without my next ven due to changing back to mornings. Pushed myself to go out with partner because I could feel myself dwelling on the way I was feeling and starting to go further down. Well went shopping wasn't all with it tired,nerve pain in teeth,bit shaky. So what do I do shut my mini door on my finger!!! Crying my eyes out, felt faint put an ice pack on straight away over cloth it was bleeding. Now I have a finger that's half bent black,purple big blood blister and swollen aghh. Not going out when I feel like that again!
Hi Anni
How you doing ? Has the blip settled down? I really hope so it's horrible when that happens as we think were going backwards again:ohmy:
Its a few weeks now since your increase how is it going.
Well I'm still feeling not with it can't explain it really just dont feel right.I'm at the psych Tuesday and got a few things to mention so she what she says,my heads is in a whirl with symptoms i'm getting and is not helping me.
hope everyone else is coping and well. :)
Thanks Clio.
I'm day 3 on the 112.5mg dosage now (day 16 total on venlafaxine).
I feel utterly rubbish (which is very frustrating because I was starting to feel much more positive and experiencing less anxiety on 75mg.
This morning I woke too early and stayed in bed (maybe a mistake), but it was horrible. Uncontrollable worry, shaking, panicky sensations, heart feeling like it wanted to jump out of my chest and it went on for hours :-(
Just really tired as a result now and feeling really down that all of this is still happening. Really hoping that it's only because I'm on day 3 of the dose change and in a few more days I'll be starting to feel better again - I hope? Did anyone else experience lots more anxiety on changing their dose??
Could it be a sign that I should have stayed on 75mg or do I just need to give 112.5mg more time?
Shed,
I can't say I experienced these symptoms when I increased but you're still getting used to ven so I'm not really surprised. I got them at the beginning for a few weeks. As you increase the dosage, ven starts to act more on noradrenalin reuptake which makes the symptoms you're describing worse. I took beta blockers to help with those symptoms when I first started and they were fantastic and meant I could pretty much carry on as normal with work etc. Not sure if that's something your GP has suggested?
If I were you, I'd stick where you are and give it at least another 2-3 weeks. Things will improve, I promise. Try not to dwell on the meds too much and have faith that you will get better. There are loads of us on here who are a testament to the fact that it can work but, in my opinion, believing that it will is half the battle.
Pip
Hi all. So day 3 of my dose increase to 150mg. Not too bad but my son is away with his grandma for two weeks so I have too much time on my hands. Never helps my anxiety when our routine changes. I'm sweating like crazy, however this started before I upped my dose so not sure it's related. The worst thing is my sleeping. I toss and turn until about 4am then I'm wide awake. I also take a beta blocker so I haven't noticed any increase in anxiety. I started to read the thread from the beginning......it's really helpful x
Shed,
I can't say I experienced these symptoms when I increased but you're still getting used to ven so I'm not really surprised. I got them at the beginning for a few weeks. As you increase the dosage, ven starts to act more on noradrenalin reuptake which makes the symptoms you're describing worse. I took beta blockers to help with those symptoms when I first started and they were fantastic and meant I could pretty much carry on as normal with work etc. Not sure if that's something your GP has suggested?
If I were you, I'd stick where you are and give it at least another 2-3 weeks. Things will improve, I promise. Try not to dwell on the meds too much and have faith that you will get better. There are loads of us on here who are a testament to the fact that it can work but, in my opinion, believing that it will is half the battle.
Pip
Thanks Pip.
Actually all of those symptoms were occurring reasonably regularly prior to being on any meds.. It's just they started to go away during the 9 days that I was on the lower doses. It's just since starting the higher dose that my body has reacted in this way... So really hoping it is just my body getting used to them.
My GP won't prescribe beta blockers because I have mild asthma. Probably a shame. Out of interest, is it just the physical symptoms that beta blockers help with or do they also help controlling intrusive thoughts? I'd imagine that it's the physical symptoms.. But then the thoughts wouldn't create the same physical symptoms?? What are the side effects of beta blockers and do you think it could be worth bringing up with my gp again?
I'm just going to soldier on with the 112.5 for a while, cross my fingers it works. I definitely have faith that it works because on 75 I was starting to feel so much better than I had in ages - so it's either dose dependent for me or I just need to give the higher dose more time.
Thank you :-):hugs:
Out of interest, is it just the physical symptoms that beta blockers help with or do they also help controlling intrusive thoughts? I'd imagine that it's the physical symptoms.. But then the thoughts wouldn't create the same physical symptoms?? What are the side effects of beta blockers and do you think it could be worth bringing up with my gp again?
Yes, you're spot on - it's the physical symptoms they help. I took them regularly for a few weeks when starting ven and now just take them as and when I need them. I also have asthma but my GP prescribed them with a warning to try a very low dose and see if they affected my asthma (which they don't). I had also taken them many years ago before my asthma became troublesome. They do stop reliever inhalers working properly though so you have to be very careful, hence your GP not prescribing them. It might be worth a discussion with him but I can understand if he won't prescribe them.
My GP actually wanted to prescribe me a short course of diazepam but I have always refused to take them as the thought of something working really well but me not being able to take them when I want doesn't sit well with my logical brain. Stupid, I know!
Pip
Yes, you're spot on - it's the physical symptoms they help. I took them regularly for a few weeks when starting ven and now just take them as and when I need them. I also have asthma but my GP prescribed them with a warning to try a very low dose and see if they affected my asthma (which they don't). I had also taken them many years ago before my asthma became troublesome. They do stop reliever inhalers working properly though so you have to be very careful, hence your GP not prescribing them. It might be worth a discussion with him but I can understand if he won't prescribe them.
My GP actually wanted to prescribe me a short course of diazepam but I have always refused to take them as the thought of something working really well but me not being able to take them when I want doesn't sit well with my logical brain. Stupid, I know!
Pip
Thanks Pip.
Out of interest, what was your diagnosis and how long were you trying to manage it med free?
Also - do the beta blockers work immediately like with diazepam?
I'm trying to work out whether they would be right for me - I suppose most of my problem is going into my own head and worrying about things which just makes me feel really really on edge and unfocused..... Only very, very rare, very will it escalate into a panic attack. It's only really in the early hours of the morning and just before wake up time that I really get any panic symptoms..
I take back my last post. After feeling not too bad I am now having one of the most anxious evenings I've had for a while. Is it normal for anxiety to become worse when upping doses, I remember it getting worse when I first started them. The beta blockers are taking most of the anxiety symptons away but not the general worrying/chatter in my head! I was finding the cbt helpful, but since this dose increase I'm feel to be struggling more?
Thanks Pip.
Out of interest, what was your diagnosis and how long were you trying to manage it med free?
Also - do the beta blockers work immediately like with diazepam?
I'm trying to work out whether they would be right for me - I suppose most of my problem is going into my own head and worrying about things which just makes me feel really really on edge and unfocused..... Only very, very rare, very will it escalate into a panic attack. It's only really in the early hours of the morning and just before wake up time that I really get any panic symptoms..
In a nutshell:
I was first diagnosed with some kind of anxiety disorder when I was in my late teens (I'm 42 now) and at some point, it was specified as GAD. I've actually suffered from it from a very young age and I can remember having a panic attack on holiday when I was about 8 or 9. Mine's mainly general worry with occasional panic, though that is much better these days. In fact, it sounds pretty similar to you.
I've been med free most of my life - I took beta blockers in my early 20s but only for a couple of months. I first took ven when I was 32 for a few months. Came off it and then back on a couple of months later for about 6 months. No meds since then upto last Jan when I was put on sertraline which nearly pushed me over the edge. Then on ven and oxprenolol. Oxprenolol now replaced by propranolol.
With regards to how long BBs take to work, it's about 30 minutes for me and they last about 12 hours.
I would definitely stick with the ven - it's honestly reduced my persistent worry down to virtually nothing to the point where I have to make myself worry about things that I should (if that makes sense) otherwise I wouldn't get things done.
Pip
Hi roxy,
I think it's the chatter in our heads that gets us worrying then that causes the anxiety build up!! I don't get how one min we can get on then the next were stricken with anxiety.
I have had a few days of being ok(well managing) to the last couple days having the ruminating thoughts why this, what that,must be because you name it I've thought it.
All this because of change!! And an accident with my finger! As sent me out of sorts.
Hope yours settles,if you can manage it try a bath! See if it relaxes you.
I take back my last post. After feeling not too bad I am now having one of the most anxious evenings I've had for a while. Is it normal for anxiety to become worse when upping doses, I remember it getting worse when I first started them. The beta blockers are taking most of the anxiety symptons away but not the general worrying/chatter in my head! I was finding the cbt helpful, but since this dose increase I'm feel to be struggling more?
Roxy,
I think you and Shed are in similar positions. When I was where you are, Pinkdove and I were at the same stage and helped each other through. Could be an idea.
It does get better, honest, but there will be ups and downs for a few weeks.
Pip
Clio. It's definitely the chatter that's causing my problems. Always has been. The cbt really helped with this. I'm hoping its just the increase in dose that's got me struggling again. Doesn't help when you worry yourself about increasing the dose too. Hey ho! X
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Pip. Thank you. I've read some of your earlier posts in the thread. I've been on venlafaxine a really long time about ten years. Been a long time since I changed dose but I think I did once before. It's hard to remember what to expect.
Yeah shed any time you want to chat, I'm happy too
:)
nicola1980
29-07-13, 00:22
Hi everyone, well in melting out here its in the 40's and Im feeling very homesick now so an defiantly ready to come home Tuesday, i take beta blockers and have mild asthma and I've been fine i just had to be careful with my first dose to check it didn't make me wheezy, i believe they have really helped with my physical symptoms of anxiety which in turn then helped with my intrusive thoughts, i take 2 x 40 mg a day but can take 3 and they've helped enormously so they are worth a shot, with every increase I've had in venlafaxine I've suffered increase anxiety but it doesn't last long but i will say i think venlafaxine is a slow med and takes a good few months to kick in fully but stick at it as its worth it in the end, it certainly pulled me out a deep black hole, i still have a way to go but the rest is do o to me now and i need to build my confidence up again which this holiday has certainly helped do! Love and hugs to all x x x
In a nutshell:
I was first diagnosed with some kind of anxiety disorder when I was in my late teens (I'm 42 now) and at some point, it was specified as GAD. I've actually suffered from it from a very young age and I can remember having a panic attack on holiday when I was about 8 or 9. Mine's mainly general worry with occasional panic, though that is much better these days. In fact, it sounds pretty similar to you.
I've been med free most of my life - I took beta blockers in my early 20s but only for a couple of months. I first took ven when I was 32 for a few months. Came off it and then back on a couple of months later for about 6 months. No meds since then upto last Jan when I was put on sertraline which nearly pushed me over the edge. Then on ven and oxprenolol. Oxprenolol now replaced by propranolol.
With regards to how long BBs take to work, it's about 30 minutes for me and they last about 12 hours.
I would definitely stick with the ven - it's honestly reduced my persistent worry down to virtually nothing to the point where I have to make myself worry about things that I should (if that makes sense) otherwise I wouldn't get things done.
Pip
Pip, that does sound really similar to me.
I've just had a phone appt with my doctor and she thinks I'm heading in the right direction and has told me that assuming that the venla is going to be the right drug for me, she would assume about another 2 weeks until I'm really noticing a big difference. I also asked the question about beta blockers and she has happily prescribed me Propranolol at 10mg with the option to take 1-2 tablets up to 3 times a day as needed.
Pip - can I ask you how long you were on the ven before you started to notice a significant difference in how you felt.. and infact felt much more 'normal'?
This morning has yet again been a very difficult one. Interestingly, not waking up too early with panicky symptoms, but upon waking at about 7.30, just feeling really, really on edge and nervous about nothing in particular. Popped 2.5mg diazepam which normally would just see me being able to get on with the normal day to day things fine, but this time it just totally knocked me out and I slept for another 90 minutes on the sofa. Still feeling very on edge now.. again about nothing in particular, just feel all keyed up, shaky and tingling arms.
Had a good little cry earlier because I want to get better but I'm scared that I won't and I'll lose everything that is important to me :(
Yeah shed any time you want to chat, I'm happy too
Sending you a PM :)
Shed,
You won't lose everything, I promise. Regardless of how you feel, you won't let that happen. 'Normal' is a tricky one because I'm not sure I have ever felt normal but I started to see a real improvement after about 2-3 weeks and I continued to improve up to about 3 months. The difference with you is that you've increased quite quickly so it will take longer. Once it starts to work, you'll know and I would expect that in the next week or so.
I'm not sure my recovery would have been so fast without the beta blockers. The physical symptoms I had were awful, shaking, sweating, knotted stomach, jumping at the slightest sound, no appetite, heartburn, insomnia etc. Beta blockers sorted this within hours so it's good news about the propranolol. I only take a fairly low dose. In fact, exactly what your GP has said to you. I take 2 x 10 mg tabs when I'm feeling anxious and it really calms me down. It'll be interesting to see how it works for you.
The only other thing I'd say is that it's really important to get out of the house. This sounds a bit simplistic, I know, but it's critical. Put some music on, have a shower and force yourself out this afternoon for an hour's walk. It will be torture but I guarantee you'll feel better this evening. In my mind, I felt I came to a crossroads - either I gave in and stayed in bed (which would have been easy) or I really pushed myself. I could see that the first option is a slippery slope as I could already feel a bit of agoraphobia starting, something I have never suffered from. I could also see everything I've worked for slipping away and I just determined that there was absolutely no way I was going to let that happen.
The meds really help but, ultimately, it's your decisions and determination that will get you out of this. From everything you've written, I can see you're strong and I know you won't let this beat you. When I say 'this', remember it's your own body causing it and you can also stop it.
Sorry if this sounds a bit simplistic or preachy but I've been exactly where you are and I know what got me out of it. Feel free to PM me anytime if you need some support.
Take care and off you go...
Pip
Shed,
You won't lose everything, I promise. Regardless of how you feel, you won't let that happen. 'Normal' is a tricky one because I'm not sure I have ever felt normal but I started to see a real improvement after about 2-3 weeks and I continued to improve up to about 3 months. The difference with you is that you've increased quite quickly so it will take longer. Once it starts to work, you'll know and I would expect that in the next week or so.
That's Really interesting. I was starting to feel a lot more upbeat and in the moment on 75mg. I sort of assumed the quicker that I increased, the quicker I would get better. Is it because a higher dose takes my body longer to adjust to?
I'm not sure my recovery would have been so fast without the beta blockers. The physical symptoms I had were awful, shaking, sweating, knotted stomach, jumping at the slightest sound, no appetite, heartburn, insomnia etc. Beta blockers sorted this within hours so it's good news about the propranolol. I only take a fairly low dose. In fact, exactly what your GP has said to you. I take 2 x 10 mg tabs when I'm feeling anxious and it really calms me down. It'll be interesting to see how it works for you.
I recognise those symptoms.. I have all of those with tingling limbs on top. I'm excited to try them if they'll make a a difference, especially if they aren't habit forming like diazepam. Do you get any side effects from the BBs?
The only other thing I'd say is that it's really important to get out of the house. This sounds a bit simplistic, I know, but it's critical. Put some music on, have a shower and force yourself out this afternoon for an hour's walk. It will be torture but I guarantee you'll feel better this evening. In my mind, I felt I came to a crossroads - either I gave in and stayed in bed (which would have been easy) or I really pushed myself. I could see that the first option is a slippery slope as I could already feel a bit of agoraphobia starting, something I have never suffered from. I could also see everything I've worked for slipping away and I just determined that there was absolutely no way I was going to let that happen.
I think I need to be told this. I'm getting up off the sofa now.. I'll make some breakfast, have a shower and walk (rather than drive) to the doctors to pick up the prescription, then to the chemist to get it filled and that should be a good hour round trip.
I feel like I really am determined to get better and not lose everything that I've worked for, but sometimes, especially in the mornings, it can feel like the feelings of worry and anxiety overwhelm my determination. It gets better as the day goes on usually, but it's very frustrating.
Pip - thank you so much for your advice, guidance and support. I'm sure I'll have more worries and questions that I'll put your way (sorry in advance) - but your posts have really helped me understand a little more about what I'm going through and what to expect as I [hopefully] get better. :hugs:
Shed,
You're welcome - that's what we're all here for. You can ask away anytime you want to.
Yes, a higher dose will take longer, especially as 150mg starts to work on noradrenalin (norepinephrine) as well as serotonin reuptake. Read this which explains a little more (it's actually a comparison between 2 SNRIs but you may find it useful):
http://www.emedexpert.com/compare/effexor-vs-cymbalta.shtml
There are side effects with BBs like everything else but I can honestly say I've never noticed any at the dose I take. I believe some people say they make you tired and, as they lower blood pressure, can make you a little lightheaded and get cold hands/feet. I doubt you'll notice any of these though. The great thing about them is that you can take them regularly and long term, or just as and when you need them. If you take them regularly for a while, you'll need to taper off with your GP's say so. Not a problem though.
The mornings are by far the worst for me too. When I was at my worst, I was having to get up 3 hours before work so that I could spend time calming myself down before leaving the house. There have been mornings when I've just been sitting on the floor crying and shaking, wanting to curl up and disappear but, every time, I've forced myself to get ready for work and go. Tbh, there've been days where I was as good as useless at work and people kept saying how ill I looked (I'm sure they meant well but it's the last thing you want to hear, isn't it?) but I always pushed and pushed myself. Luckily, I have a very supportive manager who suffers a little claustrophobia himself so he has a small insight into what it's like. When I was really ill, he said for me just to come in when I wanted and leave early etc. I never did but knowing that I could really helped. I used to set my alarm an hour before I needed to get up, take my beta blockers, go back to sleep and wake up much less anxious. Now the mornings are much better but that did take a while.
Your plan for the afternoon sounds like a good one. I've just come back from walking my dogs and I'm now boiling hot and wet through - I think I'm going to start steaming soon. I'm on annual leave at the minute but I've got an assignment to finish for my course so that's keeping me out of mischief. Distractions always welcome though...
Let me know how you get on
Pip x
Shed,
You're welcome - that's what we're all here for. You can ask away anytime you want to.
Yes, a higher dose will take longer, especially as 150mg starts to work on noradrenalin (norepinephrine) as well as serotonin reuptake. Read this which explains a little more (it's actually a comparison between 2 SNRIs but you may find it useful):
http://www.emedexpert.com/compare/effexor-vs-cymbalta.shtml
Thanks Pip, I assume that on 112.5mg it's still just acting as an SSRI though? So I might expect it to work quicker than 150mg?
There are side effects with BBs like everything else but I can honestly say I've never noticed any at the dose I take. I believe some people say they make you tired and, as they lower blood pressure, can make you a little lightheaded and get cold hands/feet. I doubt you'll notice any of these though. The great thing about them is that you can take them regularly and long term, or just as and when you need them. If you take them regularly for a while, you'll need to taper off with your GP's say so. Not a problem though.
I've got my prescription and had a pounding heart and tingling arms when I got back so I took 10mg about 30 minutes ago. I'm pretty sure that it's slowed things down and I feel a bit calmer. But too hard to tell yet. Feel a little tired, but then I've felt quite low and tired all day so probably too early to tell what it's going to do for me. I have high hopes though.
The mornings are by far the worst for me too. When I was at my worst, I was having to get up 3 hours before work so that I could spend time calming myself down before leaving the house. There have been mornings when I've just been sitting on the floor crying and shaking, wanting to curl up and disappear but, every time, I've forced myself to get ready for work and go. Tbh, there've been days where I was as good as useless at work and people kept saying how ill I looked (I'm sure they meant well but it's the last thing you want to hear, isn't it?) but I always pushed and pushed myself. Luckily, I have a very supportive manager who suffers a little claustrophobia himself so he has a small insight into what it's like. When I was really ill, he said for me just to come in when I wanted and leave early etc. I never did but knowing that I could really helped. I used to set my alarm an hour before I needed to get up, take my beta blockers, go back to sleep and wake up much less anxious. Now the mornings are much better but that did take a while.
I've had a lot of mornings like that. Waking up and feeling super anxious having barely slept, my hand shaking like crazy as I tried to drink down a cup of tea whilst worrying what new horror the day would have in store for me. I also remember people always telling me 'you look like crap' or 'you look so unhappy'. Mind you, I've been off work since then so hoping I can go back like a new me.
What are mornings like for you now that you're well established on the ven? And how often do you find that you need to drop a BB these days?
Just come back from a walk, got soaked but no problem. Time for a chamomile tea :)
Hi Shed,
I think a bit of the noradrenalin reuptake inhibition will have kicked in, even with your short stay at 150mg. Don't forget that you've gone to 112.5 really quickly. Most of us started on 37.5 for a week or so before going up to 75 and we still found it hard going. I'm pretty sure you'll find the beta blockers a real help - it will be interesting to see how you get on.
I don't take BBs very often these days - I think it's just enough to know that I can. I sometimes take one on a Sunday night if I've got a tough week coming up. It helps me to sleep well and wake up feeling less anxious. I maybe take them once or twice a month now, at the most. My last packet nearly expired, that's how long I'd had them!
Having another break from assignment writing. Nearly finished now - just a final proof and formatting to do and then it's time to crack the wine open... No more study till October. :yahoo:
Pip
P.S. Mornings are fine now. Just the odd day when I'm a little anxious but nothing I can't deal with.
Hi Shed,
I think a bit of the noradrenalin reuptake inhibition will have kicked in, even with your short stay at 150mg. Don't forget that you've gone to 112.5 really quickly. Most of us started on 37.5 for a week or so before going up to 75 and we still found it hard going. I'm pretty sure you'll find the beta blockers a real help - it will be interesting to see how you get on.
Thanks Pip. I'm hoping that I'll be feeling much better by the end of the week. But.. just hoping :( It's hard when I actually don't know whether I will or won't be feeling better by then.
I woke up and felt on edge when I got out of bed this morning. So experimented with another BB (only 10mg). I think it has helped, but they do seem to make me quite tired. I could easily do a nap again now.
Having another break from assignment writing. Nearly finished now - just a final proof and formatting to do and then it's time to crack the wine open... No more study till October. :yahoo:
Pip
P.S. Mornings are fine now. Just the odd day when I'm a little anxious but nothing I can't deal with.
It's a lovely feeling when an assignment is done. Satisfaction after the start of one where you just stare at a blank page for a while..
Morning all,
Assignment finished and submitted - now for a peaceful few days. I'm heading out to walk the dogs and then I'm going to put my feet up and finish my book - hopefully in the garden if the weather stays nice.
Shed - stick with it. You'll see the improvement very soon. If the BBs are making you tired, it may not be a bad thing. Just take it easy, have a little walk and sit out in the garden if it's not raining. Let us know how you're doing.
Pip
Felt a little brighter today. Day five of increased dose. Bit of a better nights sleep, not perfect but better. Unluckily I was fast asleep by the time the alarm went off at six fifteen! I could have really slept too, typical.
The day wasn't bad, only one episode of the sweating on the way home in the car, but it was hot.
Went a bit off around seven, felt quite anxious, but think I've worked my way through it. Now I'm tired, headache and a weird kind of buzzing/pins and needle sensation I the back of my head.....strange!
So all round i think i can take more positives than negatives from today :) Not counting my chickens though, one day at a time.
Hope you're all ok
Good news Roxy - that's how it starts to improve, just a little at a time.
Pip
hi all shed cant give you any more advice than pip has given you but hang on in there you will get better and when you finally settle on the right dose it is worth it
roxy any improvement is a good sign and im pleased to read that you managed to work through your anxiety i think thats the key to work with the meds i know i had too and i felt it had taken enough of my life and i wasnt going to let it have any more good luck hunni im sure your on the right track xx
pip glad your asignment is finished and you are getting some rest time its well overdue for you great advice for shed as usuall i wouldnt expect anything else :)
i have been realy good took mymum for her small op today and coped well although i was really worried about her i was able to give her the help and support she needed and it was nice to do that instead of looking to her for support she is resting at home and fine thank god
im sorry im not on a lot just now but i am very busy with family stuff and to be honest living my life at last but i always check in and offer help where i can
anni i have answered your pm and hope you have had a better day today hunni xx
nicola1980
31-07-13, 01:48
Hi everyone, well Im back home now and although i was ready to come back i felt very sad leaving in fact i was close to tears, i think its cause i felt so good out there and Im scared the anxiety and panic will return now Im home, I've got 3 cases of dirty washing to do tho so anyone fancy lending a hand lol! I returned home to a letter for a referral to see a physcologist which my psychiatrist had requested, Im not sure what that entails but Im seeing my psychiatrist at 2 today so will fine out, hope everyone is well x x x
Hi all
I'm still here and read all the posts everyday. Sometimes it is hard to answer. Hi Roxy and Shedrain and Hi to you Pip and Nicola. Have pmd u Pink.
Pip..you give such good advice. Roxy and Shed there are always good parts and not so good parts to each day. You may find that you feel better towards the end of the day...be happy for that...notice it ..feel it. Feel the good days too. Ven does take a while to make you feel really good and work with your body and you may have ups and downs. I have ups and downs but you have to try and carry on as normal and let the dow n times take their course.
Glad you had brill hol Nicola.
Anni xxxx
Hi all
I'm still here and read all the posts everyday. Sometimes it is hard to answer. Hi Roxy and Shedrain and Hi to you Pip and Nicola. Have pmd u Pink.
Pip..you give such good advice. Roxy and Shed there are always good parts and not so good parts to each day. You may find that you feel better towards the end of the day...be happy for that...notice it ..feel it. Feel the good days too. Ven does take a while to make you feel really good and work with your body and you may have ups and downs. I have ups and downs but you have to try and carry on as normal and let the dow n times take their course.
Glad you had brill hol Nicola.
Anni xxxx
Hi Anni,
Yes, over the last few days I've been noticing that I definitely feel better towards the end of every day. I'm finding that generally, I'm more likely to feel on edge, tense and anxious up until 1 or 2 o'clock in the afternoon, and then after that I tend to feel pretty good and normal for the rest of the day.
It's still the mornings that I find myself scared and wondering if they are going to ever start feeling normal again - I need them to.. because back to work in 3 weeks!
How long does it normally take for the mornings to even out too?
Thanks for the advice :)
Shed,
Mornings took the longest for me and were also affected the most when I increased. It's really good that the evenings are getting better though - a very positive sign!
Pip
nicola1980
31-07-13, 18:49
Shed, mornings are always the absolute worst and the last thing to get better, i used to wake every morning shaking, heart racing, teeth chattering then id end up retching due to the high anxiety and panic i felt it truly is awful, i could go to bed calm and still wake up like that but eventually and very slowly things got better, Im still not full of life in the mornings and can still feel jittery but i can cope with that. Well saw my shrink today who was pleased with how i was doing even tho i had a little cry, post holiday blues i think as felt a bit low all day, Im to continue on the 187.5mg of venlafaxine and seeing her again 6 weeks, sometimes i don't think we notice the improvement ourselves because its so gradual but we'll all get there x x x
Hi all
Nic so pleased you had a great holiday and I always feel sad coming back so thats normal.
I'm 2 months into increase had some gret days and some bad days , this still happens monthoy not always same time of month but lasts days can anyone relate to this as been so long.
Seeing a gynae end of month realy hoping its related to hormones but just dont know. I can be fine think I'm better then its back suddenly and goes when it feels like it. I'm a right strange one lol..
hi
shed as pip says mornings are always the last to get better. don't rush it all. don't put pressure on yourself.
tracy....maybe is hormonal..hope gynae can help.
Nicola you're right we do forget how we've progressed especially if we go back a bit.
Anni xxx
Hi everyone,
How are you all doing today? It's absolutely roasting here to the point where I've now shut myself indoors with a fan on. I've decided that the idea of a hot summer is better than the reality.
I think I need to get back to work because I'm getting more anxious as the week goes on - I miss the routine and too much time on my hands isn't good for me. I even had to pop a couple of beta blockers yesterday as I just couldn't settle and my heart was pounding. I guess it's proof that we all still have ups and downs. I think I need to take my own advice and get out and do something! I was going to go for a long walk today but it was too hot and the poor dogs get exhausted in the sun - I think I'll go later on when it's cooler.
Shed - how are you doing? Are things picking up and are the beta blockers helping?
Take care all
Pip xxx
Pip I'm the same this is hell for me and now petrified again I'm relapsing but then I am at home. I increased two months ago sertraline could I be too high now?
Increased due to have these blips every month and on good days was myself but this last week been absolute hell again.
Sorry for rant on a lovely sunny day x
Thank you ALL for your reassuring posts about the mornings. It really, really helps to know that I'm not alone and that still having bad mornings is the normal path to getting better ( doesn't make them any nicer though lol!)
Pip - I think I'm doing well thank you. Yesterday was amazing in terms of anxiety. I had NONE. Woke up, for some reason felt absolutely fine. Drove to visit a friend for the day who lives an hour away and felt absolutely normal and fine. It was so good that a couple of times in the day I had to stop and think ' hey... Where's all the anxiety and rumination today?' And it just wasn't there. Continued through to the evening too.
This morning got up and some very slight anxiety with a bit of rumination but I'm sure that will pass as they day goes on. I haven't used the beta blockers much. A couple of times to go to sleep when my heart has been pounding at night, but other than that not really. Haven't touched diazepam for 3 days either.
Got a phone call for my first CBT appointment yesterday! I start next Wednesday so can't wait for that. Looking forward to really gaining the skills I need to manage anxiety when it does pop up and hopefully start to deal with my triggers (which I think are now all about the uncertainty of the future with regards to financial stability (when I was growing up we lost the family home to cover debts caused by a failed business, dad is now going bankrupt, the state of the economy and whenever I hear about the numbers of people out of work, whether my own job is secure - all of these are big triggers for me).
I hope you're all well! Raining where I an today, but to be honest a welcome relief from the heat :-)
Hi all
Pip my doc increased my ven from 75 (which I had been on for 2 years and then had big setback) to the next 112 about 10 weeks a go...then up to 150 slow release 6 weeks a go. I wasn't keen to increase but I felt desperate so accepted it. I knew it would take a while to start to feel the benefits. 2 weeks a go though I felt wonderful. I felt happy,motivated, was quite busy at home. Felt just right that I didn't even think about any anxiety. I felt I had regained all my confidence. Then I had a setback which has lasted to a greater lesser degree each day. mornings always bad. I've gone back to not wanting to do things..only things I think I can manage or distract me. You're on 150mg arn't you. Is there a correlation between feeling anxious and not being at work for you. Is it, as Tracy said, possible to be on too high a dose. I know that 6 weeks is still a short time....or is it that to stop feeling anxious we need to be occupied. does this make sense?
I know that 6 weeks is still a short time....or is it that to stop feeling anxious we need to be occupied. does this make sense?
hi Anni.
For me, I often tend to be a little less anxious if I'm busy and occupied. If I'm not then I'm more likely to find myself ruminating and very unhelpfully making things worse for myself.
Mind you, with or without medication I've had many times where I was busy (or at least supposed to be) and I just couldn't so anything apart from fixate on the physical symptoms of anxiety I was experiencing at that time.
Now with meds though, I do find my better days are the ones where I have plans and am doing something rather than wasting my day away on my sofa :-)
Hi Shedrain,
So pleased you had a good day. It must have been nice to get out and about yesterday..it all helps. its good you know your triggers too and the cbt will certainly help you with that, I don't always know what my triggers are so I tend to be thinking all over the place sometimes. I like to be busy but find it hard sometimes to push myself.
Hi Shedrain,
So pleased you had a good day. It must have been nice to get out and about yesterday..it all helps. its good you know your triggers too and the cbt will certainly help you with that, I don't always know what my triggers are so I tend to be thinking all over the place sometimes. I like to be busy but find it hard sometimes to push myself.
Thanks Anni!
Trying to push myself has been really, really hard. I've been off work for 6 weeks now and for the first 3 or 4, all I wanted to do was sit on the sofa and stare at the wall whilst painfully ruminating.
Changing to venla has helped that, but I've also tried to give myself somewhat of a schedule. I've started going to a yoga class once a week, a meditation class once a week, two days a week I visit a friend who is also off of work at the moment (teacher) - he's there for me now matter what state I'm in, is supportive and also gets me out doing things - the extra push helps.
If there is anything you can do to get out and get some sort of routine going I think that might help - whether it's a daily walk to a cafe where you drink tea and read a book, a visit to family or friends, yoga classes, chores that need to be done.. Just anything to get that anxiety causing pent up adrenalin to get moving.
Hi all,
I'm so glad you're starting to feel better Shed. You'll still get good and bad days but the bad ones will become less frequent and not so hard to manage. Try not to dwell too much on how you're feeling and just carry on with the things you want to do but haven't been able to recently. It sounds like that's what you've started doing already. As for propranolol, I often take it about an hour before I go to bed. I find that it helps me have a much more relaxed night's sleep and that I wake up feeling less anxious. I'm sure there must be a reason that the mornings are the worst for most people. It could be something to do with facing the day or blood sugar levels. I guess that doesn't really matter though, it's how we deal with it that's important.
To answer your questions Anni, yes, it's possible to be on too high a dose but I suggest you give it a while longer, if your doctor agrees. Honestly, it can take a long time to settle. If you still don't feel right in a few weeks, I'd discuss a reduction with your doctor.
For me, I need real structure and routine in my life to keep the anxiety at bay - work does this naturally for me. When I'm on leave, I have to make sure I've got things well planned to keep myself busy. Having come to know myself quite well over the years, I know that I really lack motivation to do things but that I also have very strong will power. What that means for me is that I rarely want to do anything but that I make myself do things anyway. This always works for me but on the odd occasion where I feel rubbish and give in to doing very little, I start to get really anxious. This is what has happened over the past couple of days. This is why I very rarely take sick leave because I know it's a downward spiral - I'm far better going to work and forcing myself through it.
I have rediscovered my will power today and I'm currently half way through an 8-mile walk with my dogs who are having a whale of a time chasing rabbits and rolling in cow poo. I'm also feeling much better despite having a bit of a dicky stomach - that's usually one of my first signs of anxiety. I've not been sleeping too well either so I'm actually pretty tired. I'm sat by a river at the minute and, if I didn't have the dogs with me, I could easily nod off for a while. I think a siesta may do the trick when I get home.
I hope things are going ok today. For what it's worth, my advice is to try and think positively, have faith that you're on the mend and keep as busy as you can. I really know what it feels like just to want to curl up in bed and hope that it all goes away but I've learnt the hard way that that's the worst possible thing you can do. I know it's hard but force yourself out of the house and do anything - a short walk, shopping, go and buy a paper, sit in the garden etc. You'll hate it but feel better afterwards, that's a Pip guarantee!
Take care
Pip x
Hi all,
I'm so glad you're starting to feel better Shed. You'll still t good and bad days but the bad ones will become less frequent and not so hard to manage. Try not to dwell too much on how you're feeling and just carry on with the things you want to do but haven't been able to recently. It sounds like that's what you've started doing already. As for propranolol, I often take it about an hour before I go to bed. I find that it helps me have a much more relaxed night's sleep and that I wake up feeling less anxious. I'm sure there must be a reason that the mornings are the worst for most people. It could be something to do with facing the day or blood sugar levels. I guess that doesn't really matter though, it's how we deal with it that's iimportant
Thanks Pip.
I am starting to notice a difference - definitely finding myself ruminating less and feeling less anxious.
Today I have had a little more anxiety but everything has been manageable. I had a 1 hour nap earlier this afternoon and had a nightmare before I got up (all about not getting better) - then woke up heart pounding and it took a good 45 mins for that to calm down.
So overall today not as good as yesterday, but definitely an upward trend happening, especially when I compare how I am now to how I was this time last week.
Pip - thank you again for all of the support you have given so far. :hugs:
Hi all. Just thought I'd check in. Day 7 of my increased dose. Still experiencing a lot of flushes and sweats. Starting to wonder if these are medication related. I suppose time will tell.
My sleep has improved as the week has gone on. Still quite restless, but at least managing to get a few hours.
Had a good day yesterday. Not great today, took the afternoon if work and my other half is out all evening. So not really found anything to do with myself. My own fault really, buys its so hot and I'm tired but not relaxed by any means. I really need to push myself back the gym and swimming. Aim for next week!
I can relate so much to what you say about being off work pip. I struggle so much breaking my routine, in fact I'm sure it's what triggered my latest bout of anxiety. I used to love holidays and days off so much! Maybe one day we can enjoy them again :)
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Shed I've wanted to give yoga a try for a while. I'm a member at our local sports centres and they do a few classes. How do you find it? I'm a bit nervous as I've never done it before. Have visions of everyone with their legs behind their necks! I'm a long way off!
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Such good advice pip. Your posts are a big help!
Reading all your posts makes me feel so so much better as I was getting myself worked up about having relapse but this latest bout has been since kids broke up from school and since I work in a school my routine also stopped.
Like you all I loved holidays etc and find it harder now.
I felt myself withdrawing a lot this week and not doing things but today a friend came over kids played in pool, we went shopping then had dinner I found myself relaxing again but anxious on coming home.
I read a lot of you saying about bad days getting less over time but nearly two years and I'm still have at least weekly episodes monthly which concerns me, can anyone not relate to this?? Or once you have suffered anxiety is this expected???
nicola1980
02-08-13, 21:22
Hi Tracy i can totally relate, Im still getting bad days, i had a fantastic 2 weeks abroad with no anxiety at all, it was like i was back to my normal self and it felt great but since I've been back wham Im in a blip :-( i woke up at 2 this morning with a migraine which i always get when Im stressed and anxious and i felt absolutely dreadful, the last time i was on cit i led an anxiety Free life so i just don't understand why now Im still having these bad days/weeks?? X x
Hi Tracy,
Yes, I know just what you mean. I think what I've done over the years is get better at tuning out when I don't feel great - it's only when my anxiety gets really bad that I notice. I know this might sound a bit odd but I used to spend so much time dwelling on how I was feeling that I made a conscious effort not to. Ven also helps to control this ruminating, as Shed refers to it.
It's the same with panic. I've never had panic disorder but I get panic attacks of varying degrees of severity. I try to take a deep breath, smile and carry on. I try to see them as a playful kitten nibbling my toes rather than a tiger waiting to maul me. Even kittens give a nasty scratch sometimes though!
Pip
Ah I'm not alone then lol
I think I have to learn to enjoy the good days when they happen and stop looking for the old me then plus I think hormones a trigger but seeing a gynaecologist end of month.
Nic that's fantastic about the hols and maybe coming home triggered it?? I think being gone does that to me and I used to love it at home but you had a good holiday and I remember last year that not being the case for either of us.
Pip I'm on sertraline but don't think a change will help as seems like some of it has to come from me I guess and ruminating my biggest issue now even on good days I analyse it grrrr x
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Ps Nic do you think hormones maybe a trigger for you too??
I'm 39 think you a bit younger though??
It took two years of blood tests to confirm my mum was at 37 and she had loads of strange things happen to her not the same as me but her memory went to the point didn't remember things she done the day before also she said she felt no emotion be it happy or sad.
nicola1980
03-08-13, 01:07
Tracy, i think hormones are a major trigger for me but Im only 33 but it happens the same time every month only this time its happened after my period? I had my period on holiday no problem at all, no pmt or anything?? Im a strange one and think it even baffles my shrink, did your blood tests come back normal? I remember you said you were having your hormones levels tested? X x
Yeah they came back normal but gp does think its Perimenopause related with all the symptoms which is why I been referred to gynaecologist again plus like you mine not always when I expect it but most of time it is.
Gp said confirming if with blood test not very reliable as hormones fluctuate so much added to that I'm on pill so results prob not accurate. X
Hi all, have been reading all these posts and it is beginning to dawn on me that I feel better when I am busy. When I don't feel anxious I can get on and feel happy. As soon as the anxiety kicks in I lose my mojo ! I then lose the desire to do stuff, I get so anxious that then I'm afraid to go out without hubbie, incase I embarras myself. Anxiety increases to almost panic. Hav lessened that a little. .can you tell me is it the ven increase that has heightened my anxiety or me. Does it depend also what your anxiety is. Feel a bit scared pip as you are on 150 ven yet you are getting anxiety.
Does this make sense?
-Anni xx
Hi all :)
Well it's a break from that intense Sun now,and I'm glad for the break.
It's weird but these last couple years I can't really stay in the sun long now, and boy did I used to love it!! What a change about!
It's an up and down thing this anxiety lark! 2 years nearly for me this episode and I still have to really really push and talk to myself to ease/motivate.
Mornings are not easy I have to push myself to get up and about, I think it's because I've no where to be( work) I tend to just sit in front of tv,nmp and just relax then panic where's the morning gone. It really is a constant battle.
Nicola sounds like you really enjoyed yourself,you so deserve it!
Anni hope all is well with you keep battling hope your ok at your daughters.
Shed you sound like your doing all the right things, keep going.
Pip wow you can certainly walk!! Can't you that would kill me.(i have plantar fasciitis)
Take care all xx
hi guys sorry to read some of you are still struggling this really is a long haul
shed you have a great attitude and seem to be doing really well keep at it as im sure it will help others reading about your journey to recovery xx
tracey it is usuall for us girlies to follow our mums regadig the change and menopause so maybe your gynacologist appointment will shine some light on whats going on and you sat this has started since the kids broke up your not worrying about what to do for the next six weeks or like pip feeling anxious not having your routine really hope you feel better soon huni xxxx
nicola you were so anxious before you went on holiday had a really good time and now anxious now your back i think you may be just finding it hard to adjust to change well done on relaxing and enjoying your holiday xx
clio yea this really does take it out of you but im the same as you i dont work and find i really need to keep myself occupied there are times when i completely forget it and lead a normal life but with me i think its the fear of going back there again just dont thin i could get through it if it happened again take care xx
pip hope you have settled a bit i know you dont take beta blockers unless it you have to so try and enjoy this weekend
guys im not sure where you all live but pip and i are thinking about meeting up it would be really nice if we could get together in a place to suit i think we have all become friends now and helped and supported each other through ood and bad just a thought so maybe have a think about it
sorry if ive forgotten anyone
:hugs: to you all off to the supermarket soon oh and ive lost a stone in weight :D
Thanks pink as always I'm a lot better last couple of days.
I live near heathrow but would love to meet everyone xx
nicola1980
03-08-13, 21:30
I would love to meet everyone but i live in nottinghamshire x x
Shed I've wanted to give yoga a try for a while. I'm a member at our local sports centres and they do a few classes. How do you find it? I'm a bit nervous as I've never don forave visions of everyone with their legs behind their necks! I'm a long way off!
Hi Roxy, hope you're doing well. How are you feeling on the increase now?
First thing to note is there are a lot of different types of yoga and some are more appropriate and helpful for those battling anxiety. Stay away from Iyengar and Ashtanga/vinyasa Yoga as these will be intrinsically competitive in terms of getting I to the deepest stretch Etc. What you do want is yoga that is more relaxed, am
Almost more spiritual and focuses more on pranayama (breathing) than as an as (postures). Look for yoga classes advertised as being 'hatha', 'tantric' or 'satyananda'. In my experience you won't find these classes at sport centres/health clubs and it might be worth a Google to find some classes in your area. If you want any help finding an appropriate local class, let me know and I'll give you a hand in finding something!
All - thanks for your kind words. pinkdove - trying to keep that positive attitude up. Some times harder than others but still trying to stay positive. Start CBT on Wednesday which i'm really excited about - I've heard it will be a lot of work, but at least I'll know *how* to work on it!
Still odd bits of anxiety each day, especially when I accidentally find myself thinking about my triggers. Distraction is all that gets me through those bits at the moment. And the occasional beta blocker or diazepam. Still though, so much better than this time last week. Or any other week in quite a long while come to think of iT!
Hope everybody is well!
Clio - try to get up and go for a 20 minute walk in the mornings (or maybe a bike ride if the plantar fascilitis makes that too much). Changing your energy like that might help you with them and not feel like they're gone so quickly - once you're up, showered and have been out to do something, you might find you have more energy and enthusiasm to do more with the day :) (I find that at least!)
Hi all,
It seems we're all having a mixed time at the moment. I'm feeling much better - just too hot. I'm afraid I'm more a cool weather northern type. I used to live in Scandinavia and the climate there was more to my liking.
It would be great to meet up but I understand if some of you are too far away (from Yorkshire - poor you, you can't win 'em all!) or if it's just a little too soon. Pink and I have been promising each other a meet up for over a year - it was a goal to aim for when we were both feeling better and I think the time may have arrived. Whether she'll be able to deal with my devastating good looks is another matter...
Hi all, have been reading all these posts and it is beginning to dawn on me that I feel better when I am busy. When I don't feel anxious I can get on and feel happy. As soon as the anxiety kicks in I lose my mojo ! I then lose the desire to do stuff, I get so anxious that then I'm afraid to go out without hubbie, incase I embarras myself. Anxiety increases to almost panic. Hav lessened that a little. .can you tell me is it the ven increase that has heightened my anxiety or me. Does it depend also what your anxiety is. Feel a bit scared pip as you are on 150 ven yet you are getting anxiety.
Does this make sense?
-Anni xx
I don't find it anything to worry about that I still get anxious now and again - I think that's just part of the deal and it may be perfectly normal for all I know. I've suffered from anxiety for as long as I can remember so I'm not sure what normal is but as long as I feel it's under control and that I'm able to carry on and do the things I want to, I'm not concerned.
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I think that we're all so used to feeling ill and thinking about how we feel that it's really easy to think that every bad day is a step backwards. I just see it that some people suffer from migraines, others from back pain. We suffer from anxiety and, if we get to where we need to be, most days are good. There will always be days which are difficult but they become easier once we're confident that we're heading in the right direction.
I've just determined to keep myself really busy over the past couple of days and I feel so much better. I haven't stopped today: walking the dogs, taking my little pup to his training class, walking into town to do a bit of shopping then coming home to do a bit of housework (always therapeutic, I find). If the weather's nice tomorrow, I'm going to take the dogs to the beach for a swim and then get ready to go back to work. I'm only back for a week and then we are on a walking holiday for a week which I know will be good. Like everything else in my life though, I don't like a disruption in my routine so it's always a real effort to force myself to go on holiday but I always love it once I'm settled in.
I was just thinking today how much things have changed in my life since I was young. As I said, I've always been anxious but exactly 20 years ago, I was backpacking around Europe, not knowing where I was going to sleep from one day to the next. It was the best experience but the thought of being able to do that now... :scared15: I remember one day getting on the wrong train and ending up in a Switzerland when I was supposed to be in France. I had no Swiss money, no credit cards and there were no more trains that day so I had to sleep on a bench in the railway station. At the time, I thought it was funny. Now, I get anxious at the thought of going away for a week to a lovely cottage 150 miles away. Maybe it's just called getting older...
On that thought, I shall leave you for the evening. I hope you're all ok and please don't dwell on the bad days, the good days aren't far away, honest.
Pip xxx
Thanks shed. Definitely going to look into it. Speaking to a friend who runs a bikram yoga school in Singapore. Not sure that would be good for anxiety but good to speak to someone so into it.
I've had a bit of an off day today. I had lots planned but still felt anxious. I seem to be having good and bad days at the moment. But I'm only a week in so I'm hoping it's a case of riding out the storm.
How are you doing? :)
Day 9. My worse day so far. had to take a diazepam (2mg) tonight to bring myself back down to a manageable level and its only just done that. I honestly think I'm feeling worse than I did before my dose was increased today. Is this normal?
Hi all,
Clio..yes I'm not at work. I spend time on here. Try hard with my cbt. I have to push myself to do stuff. I'm rubbish first thisg in the mornings. I've decided to get up as soon as I wake up...as long as its not too early. How you doing? Have you heard from Karen recently?
Roxy ...don't worry that you had a bad day. This happens with the meds. Sometimes they make you feel fine then sudenley you're down. Its your body still adjusting to the meds and yes its normal. It can take up to 3 or 4 weeks to start to feel ok. Some days will be good others not so...just little set backs. If the diaz helps take it.. I do. Hope today is better. :hugs:
Shed...hope you still doing ok..you sound very positive :D
Pip..yes my routine was totaly to out this last week and hubbie was away which was a nightmare. Its difficult when you feel like you've gone backwards. I felt better yesterday afternoon and more relaxed.
Nicola.. how are you. I'm going on hols on sat and feel bit anxious about it. with all my family in a static caravan in Wales..hope weather good.
Tracey..how you doing. Got to take my daughter to hosp this morning for tests as she has poysistic ovaries..gets very irregular periods... so will see what comes of these tests.
Well off to get ready now.
Anni xxxx and hope today is a good one for us all xxxx
Day 9. My worse day so far. had to take a diazepam (2mg) tonight to bring myself back down to a manageable level and its only just done that. I honestly think I'm feeling worse than I did before my dose was increased today. Is this normal?
Hi Roxy.
Yesterday was (I think) day 10 on my higher dose of 112.5mg. Funnily enough it was also my worst day since the increase. Feeling on edge all day, chest tightness, tingling in my limbs again and lots of worrying that I couldn't control. Very difficult to get to sleep last night and ended up crying in bed for a while. It's so upsetting when Things were getting so much better and then I have a day like that. I still feel worse than normal this morning with a churning stomach, muscle tension and tingling limbs still.
I suppose when we start to feel better and then get a couple of bad days it's only natural for us to question everything. I know what you're going through :hugs:
Will pm you later.
Thanks guys. Still feeling edgy today, but being at work does help. As you all know well its just so infuriating. I'm not a feel sorry for myself kind of person but I find myself doing it! I think it's the physical symptoms of thus increase that is making my anxiety worse, so I'm really hopeful that once they settle down that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach and numb arms and worry about anything I can find to worry about will do one! Then I can at least properly try some of the fab things I learnt in group CBT. In this state I struggle to use it properly :) the ups and downs are the worst, at one point I'm so positive, the next I've talked myself out of it and the worst thing is I know I'm bringing myself down.
Hope you're all feeling ok today :)
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It's really comforting to know that this increase in anxiety is normal when increasing dose. Without this forum I used to believe it was only me who felt like this ;)
Thanks guys. Still feeling edgy today, but being at work does help. As you all know well its just so infuriating. I'm not a feel sorry for myself kind of person but I find myself doing it! I think it's the physical symptoms of thus increase that is making my anxiety worse, so I'm really hopeful that once they settle down that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach and numb arms and worry about anything I can find to worry about will do one! Then I can at least properly try some of the fab things I learnt in group CBT. In this state I struggle to use it properly :) the ups and downs are the worst, at one point I'm so positive, the next I've talked myself out of it and the worst thing is I know I'm bringing myself down.
Hope you're all feeling ok today :)
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It's really comforting to know that this increase in anxiety is normal when increasing dose. Without this forum I used to believe it was only me who felt like this ;)
Roxy, It sounds like we're going through very, very similar things at the moment! :hugs:
Today I also have the horrible feeling of being on edge, numb/tingling arms and legs, chest tightness etc. I went to the doctors earlier and she's going to talk to her colleagues about perhaps adding pregabalin to the mix - but I'm really unsure about whether I want to add yet another medication.
I had a breakdown in the car after the appointment and couldn't stop crying because I'm so desperate to get better and these physical feelings seem to have returned from out of nowhere and got on top of me. :(
I phoned a friend who has OCD and other anxiety issues, but has also got a lot, lot better through CBT and medication (sertraline), and I drove over to see her. Sat there with a cup of tea and she really helped - I talked about all my fears with what is going on with me and it prompted her to bring out all of her CBT material and personal notes - she gave me a nice introduction to CBT by showing me what kind of cognitive errors I was making with my thinking and it really helped to calm me down once I was able to rationalise all of the fears with her help. I got a good insight into CBT and I think I can see that it will help me.
I'm back at home now, have taken 2.5mg diazepam and still have tingling arms and legs which really isn't pleasant, but at least I'm not crying anymore. 2.5 weeks till I go back to work, so I do need to get this sorted.
Shed. It sounds like you've had an awful morning. What we are experiencing is very similar all your symptoms and thought processes sound very similar to mine. Although I seem to have lost the ability to cry, I just kind of feel nothing if you know what I mean.
I really do think the cbt will help you. I did the course when I was feeling fine so this has been my first chance to practice it. I don't think I've done it justice but apparently it's all about practice and believing in the processes.
As you know, I've been a state these past couple of weeks, but I have managed to stay at work which I haven't in the past. I used to be running to the car in a panic. But learning to accept the feelings are there but ignore them has helped. Also the worry tree which I always remember. When you start to worry ask yourself if you are worrying about anything you can do something about? If the answer is no then you accept that and let the thought go. If the answer is yes you decide what you can do make a plan for what you will do then you let thought go. It's very good for the rumination, going over and over things you don't know the answer to and never will.
I think I have a long way to go and at the moment it's symptoms that are horrible these are leading me into bad thinking habits. But maybe the fact I'm even realising this is positive. Sometimes I think we need people to point out really simple things were doing wrong, we can't see them because of the state were in.
I really feel for you and if ever you want a chat I'm here. Think I'm gonna stick the Ven increase for a while before considering anything else I think the dose increase is definitely making us feel worse than we will, I think the fact we feel quite similar at the same time shows that.
Take care and chat soon xxx
Shed. It sounds like you've had an awful morning. What we are experiencing is very similar all your symptoms and thought processes sound very similar to mine. Although I seem to have lost the ability to cry, I just kind of feel nothing if you know what I mean.
I really do think the cbt will help you. I did the course when I was feeling fine so this has been my first chance to practice it. I don't think I've done it justice but apparently it's all about practice and believing in the processes.
As you know, I've been a state these past couple of weeks, but I have managed to stay at work which I haven't in the past. I used to be running to the car in a panic. But learning to accept the feelings are there but ignore them has helped. Also the worry tree which I always remember. When you start to worry ask yourself if you are worrying about anything you can do something about? If the answer is no then you accept that and let the thought go. If the answer is yes you decide what you can do make a plan for what you will do then you let thought go. It's very good for the rumination, going over and over things you don't know the answer to and never will.
I think I have a long way to go and at the moment it's symptoms that are horrible these are leading me into bad thinking habits. But maybe the fact I'm even realising this is positive. Sometimes I think we need people to point out really simple things were doing wrong, we can't see them because of the state were in.
I really feel for you and if ever you want a chat I'm here. Think I'm gonna stick the Ven increase for a while before considering anything else I think the dose increase is definitely making us feel worse than we will, I think the fact we feel quite similar at the same time shows that.
Take care and chat soon xxx
Thanks Roxy :hugs:
I felt like I lost the ability to cry during the first 5 or so days of taking ven, but it did come back. Today more than ever. I calmed down earlier and have just been crying on and off all day now.
I know that the thoughts running through my head are just me catastrophising, but I just can't turn them off _ worrying about losing everything (employability, girlfriend, flat etc.) with a smattering of suicidal ideation. I have all these feelings of tension in my muscles, tingling in my arms and legs, tightness in my chest, the feelings aren't going away and I just keep bursting into tears because I'm so scared that things are going downhill. Then come the catastrophic thoughts of losing everything because I don't seem to be able to control what's going on at the moment.
All I've wanted to do all day is be with someone who I can talk to and in some ways is just get a hug and some comfort and for someone who knows what they're talking about to reassure and tell me that it will get better. Feeling very emotionally weak today, much, much more so than I have for several weeks.
Not a good couple of days. Need hugs now more than ever.
Well even after the way I've been this week I can tell you it definitely does get better! I know that from experience. It's just when we are in this black hole it seems like there is no way out no matter how many times you've fought your way out of it before.
I think you need to use the diazepam to get you through the first few weeks if the medication change. So many people need to, and don't put it off until your in a real state, that's what I do try my best not to take it as I might feel better later I can guarantee nine times out of ten I don't and end up taking it anyway. Sometimes we just need to come down to a point where we can think semi rationally.
From my previous experience when starting venlafaxine if this dose increase is the same, I really think that by this time next week we will be feeling ten times better than we do now.
Is your girlfriend supportive? Do you talk much about what you're feeling?
Although not quite the same as the real thing i'm Sending you big virtual hugs!
Well even after the way I've been this week I can tell you it definitely does get better! I know that from experience. It's just when we are in this black hole it seems like there is no way out no matter how many times you've fought your way out of it before.
I think you need to use the diazepam to get you through the first few weeks if the medication change. So many people need to, and don't put it off until your in a real state, that's what I do try my best not to take it as I might feel better later I can guarantee nine times out of ten I don't and end up taking it anyway. Sometimes we just need to come down to a point where we can think semi rationally.
From my previous experience when starting venlafaxine if this dose increase is the same, I really think that by this time next week we will be feeling ten times better than we do now.
Is your girlfriend supportive? Do you talk much about what you're feeling?
Although not quite the same as the real thing i'm Sending you big virtual hugs!
Big virtual hugs gratefully received :hugs: !!!
I've been trying to avoid the diazepam.. but maybe it could be worthwhile throwing some in as some sort of preventative measure.
It's just scary that up until now I do seem to have been improving loads on the venlafaxine - on Thursday I felt no anxiety all day and it was amazing. Other days I've just felt a bit odd for the first hour in the morning. I just don't understand why I've gone downhill the last couple of days. Did you find that pattern before??
Another week would take me into day 17 or 18 of the dose increase I think and would take me up to about 4 and half weeks total of taking venlafaxine (I think).
My girlfriend is supportive to a point, but as I had a bit of a cry in bed last night, her first reaction was 'oh for goodness sake, I thought we were over this now'. Didn't do a lot to make me feel secure and less anxious.
Today has been particularly bad for catastrophic thinking and suicidal thoughts. Now I've gone downhill again it just feels like I'm coming to the end of my ability to cope and see a way out :(
Thanks for your support :)
Shed. Each time I've started venlafaxine it's taken a while to get going and usually I have deteriorated before getting better. Then I kind of got a little better each day without really realising. But as I was recovering I was quite unstable, any minor issue that normally I could deal with could push me back a bit, like your girlfriends comment. I had good days and bad days, I think to start the drug is kind of evening out in a way, so you could have an up day a down day an In between day. One thing that could/does really make me struggle is having a drink. Whilst drinking i feel great, The day after my anxiety is sky high. A real shame as a love a good bottle of vino. Do you drink?
I've had the suicidal thoughts before, I think in the leaflet with the venlafaxine it states that these can increase in the first two weeks of taking or an increase. I always knew I would never do anything to myself though, are you the same? Because if you do think you would act on these feelings then you must speak to someone.
As for your GF that's a shame and not really very helpful for you. However I think we put them through a lot with this illness and sometimes become a bit selfish. Maybe she was just having an off day. My hubby listens but doesn't understand (why should he). That's why this place is so useful, as we all know what each other is going through.
Take each day at a time and don't wake up thinking you know you're going to feel awful, because then you probably will! Every day is a new day. :) I just need to take my own advice now lol x
Hi shed/roxy
Reading through your post takes me back!! Exactly the same symptoms/thoughts honestly.
What your thinking and feeling is all part of the process, also I had the awful suicidal thoughts I think most do!
I still have bad/not good days even now a year on, I have to push myself and constant self talking to myself. I too am on 150mg I think venlafaxine is a slow drug and takes quite a few weeks to see some improvements.
Shed the crying I had it was constant sometimes it just had to be something I was thinking or a word my partner said and I'd burst out crying, then they'd be times I couldn't cry! When I really wanted to weird! So it's all normal for anxiety/depression suffers what's happening to you.
As regards work, why do you have to go back then? Try not to put more pressure on yourself
Anni, no I havnt heard from Karen she's not been on for a while hope she's ok.
I'm just plodding on,I'm still having my off days and times still when anxiety is high. The worst for me is having to go somewhere and feeling trapped ie dentist,doctors waiting room, hairdressers etc and having a thought then panic but can't just walk off if you know what I mean. Just wish I didn't have to to work at it and just get on without any thoughts or Anxiety.
Hope your really enjoy your hol and you can relax enough to enjoy it. Take care
Clio. Thanks for the message, although I'm sorry you also had to go through all this too, it's good to know that the things that are happening are normal. I have been on 75mg more on than off for a very long time. I've been really shocked at how the increase to 150mg has made me more anxious this week. Having been on the ven for such a long time I thought a dose increase would just be a case of popping an extra pill. :wacko:
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