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Denis
23-06-06, 15:47
Dear Friends. I fully understand your situation, I was in that cycle too, after reading Weekes, I hit a wall. Then I visited a website that was based on Dr. Weekes teachings.

Quite simply nearly every person skips step one. FFace your feeling, of fear.

Facing means not, running away. Accept means, Do Not Fight.

Anyway the reason you are making little headway is you have not, truly faced the feeling of fear in your body. And that is all your are afraid of, is a, feeling.

So the reality is keep going back to the book, and put into practise.

Keep facing the feeling. Face it down. Make it as bad as you possibly can. I got cured by standing my ground facing the feeling making it worse for three hours.....Nearly everyone skips or misses step one::Face.
You will loose your fear of fear.

I bet your confidence is not what it used to be, right. Here is a trick to gain even more super confidence than you had before.

Confidence is the Power within You, we all have it, yet few know how to release and use it. Weekes teaches this in Self Help for your Nerves. Confidence lives in the stomach, where fear lives. It is a feeling. Your emotions and nervous system are exhausted, face and Do Not FFight your way Back, Have mercy, on your exhausted emotions.

Weekes states clearly that, intense fear is nothing more than a response to advanced mental and emotional exhaustion. fact.

You wouldn't put another human being through what you'r going through, so why do it to yourself?? Have mercy on your tired feelings.

Get Self Help for Your Nerves, free from your library. I believe Weekes really only intended to write just this one book. Buy like us all that suffered we need constant reminding, so she wrote more. I suspect your books by her concentrate on agoraphobia?
In this book she specialises in panic attackes.

I had no more courage than anyone else suffering when my life was destroyed by them. So when you face, and do not, run away from the feeling, your confidence grows even stronger. Make the fear worse as you can, you will find you cannot. Fact.

You have to Unmask fear, analise the feeling, debunk it, expose it. That's how you free yourself.

Remember Weekes suffered the same way, so your not alone.

This is the way I used to gain trust in her. I asked myself a few questions. (i) Was I nominated for a, Nobel Prise Medicne, for finding the cure, twice??

Was I a world class scientist before I became a world famous doctor??

Was I made an MBE by the Queen, for showing people the cure?

She was the first woman in history to graduate from the, University of Sydney, with first class highest honors?? Ever.?

Did I write many books on this subject, showing the cure, that is used in medical clinics around the globe. Which are international best sellers and translated into eight languages???

Did I appear on Tv and radio all over the world??

How many so called psychotherapists and shrinks stole from her work??

The point I'm makinh is this, we have to put our faith in the person who knows the way..

That's why doctors are called shrinks, the sufferer thinks they know better, and need their ego and inferior minds, shrank..

Now here is a secret, very few people know this. This is based on pure science.
80% of people who write down their goals get them. The other 20% get so close to their goals that they are completly satasified, by how much they have reached. Setting goals builds your confidence as you see your goals come true. This turns into brilliant self esteem. Do not worry how you reach your goals, your own power will do that for you, just set them out in writing.

Only 5% of the population write down their goals. And guess what? These are the very people who have tonnes of courage and succeed extreamly well in life. This is a scientific fact, so use it.

Write your goals to get super confidence, courage and internal power, from your stomach.

And any financial goals or dreams you have too.

Have you ever met or seen a person who shone from the inside, and ask yourself, wha

trac67
23-06-06, 15:56
Denis,

I think you got your point across that you are some sort of Claire Weekes fanatic in your 2 other posts, so it would be appreciated if you would stop doing these posts.

Thankyou

Trac

'Live your life with arms wide open, today is where your book begins, the rest is still unwritten'

Ammeg
23-06-06, 15:58
i dont believe any one suffers in the same way, we are all different- claire weekes is brilliant but that doesnt mean she fully understands wot im goin through same as some things she went through i dont understand!!
its lovely u come on here to try and give advice!! thats all im gonno say
Ammegxx

Denis
23-06-06, 16:24
Actually folks, The big huge second part of my post was not intentional, I'm new to this site and some how when I write then cut&paste it appears.

The fact remains, If you don't like the post don't read it and leave a negative response. It's well known that with panic sufferers, bad temper often follows them. As I read in the introduction to this site it says not to be offensive. I won't snap back with the same bad manners.

Lets say that if even one person sees the way out from a post, would would you deny them that?

The fact remains I'm cured, and I only came here to give something back, I recieved it freely I give it back freely in the hope someone will find their way out.

If you have nothing decent to say Do not respond and put doubt, the devils time honored weapon, into others minds.

The word encouragement means to give each other courage, so try not knock it.

If you don't have the courage to face your own fear, do not deny it to someone else.

For you who are positive keep it up, encouraging each other to keep building on each success.

Good Luck to you all, Ciao

trac67
23-06-06, 17:18
Denis,

You are more than welcome to post on the forum, and try to help people, but using the headings panic attack cure is giving people false hope, maybe the book did help you to overcome your anxiety and panic attacks, but if it was a 'cure' I am sure we would have all recovered once reading the book, and none of us would be here now.

Like you I am entitled to my opinion, and you say don't put doubt into people's minds, but you are putting false hope into peoples minds by saying you found the 'cure' to what we all suffer.

I face my fears every day, if I didn't I wouldn't be here now, the same as most of the members of the forum.

If I want to respond to your threads I will, it is my right as much as it is yours to post.

Trac

'Live your life with arms wide open, today is where your book begins, the rest is still unwritten'

emmy
23-06-06, 17:35
i think it it helps then its good but what cures one person doesnt cure another..

all the best if it helped you but you said this is a cure and that does give people false hopes what about if it didnt work for them...

i dnt think it can cure all but it can help in some small way...

in my opinion tell people it is a cure is giveing them false hope if it didnt or doesnt work for them that could lead to them thinking bad about them selves again and thats what this site is for to help stop all the negative things we think,,if a book could do all this i dnt think people would have anxiety..

18%of the population in the uk have anxiety,phobic disorders...

up to 5 million with agraphobia
upto 1 million with social phobias
up to 4 million with specific phobias
upto 2 million with ocd
upto 2 million on tranqualisers,

this is a big number of people with help and is a big nuber of people to say this book really works....

i think if it work for you then that is fantastic....

if it looks like it works and feels like it works then it works!!!

PUGLETMUM
23-06-06, 17:50
i actually agree with denis on this one i'm afraid, but we come to finding the courage to face the fear in different ways. now i know denis that when i do what weekes says - plus i also have a great book that uses her teqnique but also goes into trying to help people who have actually become AGORAPHOBIC as a result of their panic attacks - the panic receeds and i move forward. but denis you cannot underestimate, and you have to convey this message, that panic can completely take over a persons self-belief to the point where they DO NOT believe the power is inside themselves. the truth is it is (and this has been proven, it is'nt our opinion first but that of all manner of mental health people, some world experts like weekes, who have worked with thousands of people, they don't just make this stuff up!!!) but speaking as somebosy who has virtually ruined their own life because of SIMPLE FEELINGS inside the body i know that it is a very long hard road to travel to face up to these fears and to turn this habit around. also arguing is a normal part of life, and when we really say what we think people will get upset on both sides of the argument if they don't agree with what is being said, but we all have a right to say what we think is the TRUTH with regards anxiety in all it's forms. emmas

Denis
23-06-06, 18:12
Of course it's everyones right to respond. I know so many people cured it's mind blowing.

I haven't visited a site like this in a year. On my way to full recovery, and this took time and practise, I used to visit a very powerful site which most of the members were back to living their normal life, back to their old self, but much wiser and happier. They passed on the message of hope to the new visitors.
How thoughtful.

And yet I know others who simply walked away, closing that chapter on their life.

Imagine if every recovered person returned to support, your half belief of a possible recovery, would turn into a full conviction, that you are going to recover, I assure you of that.

The reality is the road is not an easy one, but nothing worth having is. In todays society we want everything, yesterday.

If your way back is not earned by yourself, where is the sense of achievement?
The only true way back is to use your own courage.
Only for the fact your all friends here is would suggest another site you join too. These guys do not, pussyfoot around fear. Fear is never ran from or skirted around, it's met face on.
You would find no mercy there.

I hope what I'm saying is not being picked up in an aggressive way, as I surely do not approach anything with that attitude.

When I was in the height of full scale panic, fear and could not leave the house for years, I never believed I could find my way out, and I was convinced there never could be a way back. I had severe DP/DR, agoraphobia, which was brought on by a fear of death.

Once in the trap of panic, I lived in dread of panic, which brought on a whole new misery in itself. Panic attacks are the fear of non being, fear of non existance.

If you look at the attention grabbing headlines I use, you will see that visitors who are new will get hope and reassurance. When they use those key words to find a way out of their miserable prison, it leads them here. It is often enough for people to hear there is a cure, to be cured, as the understanding relieves the fear. Understanding in the arena of your fear, in most cases will relieve it.

I know a chap that was told by his doctor it was just nervers causing his fear, was out of that cycle instantly.

Denis

PS I unchecked the profile signature, so no more repeat posts, by mistake.

chucklehound
23-06-06, 19:37
Hi Denis, I tend to agree with Trac, I opened your post thinking WOW A CURE only to find it was a book!!! Might I add, a book that I have read over and over with no cure whatsoever.
Reading your posts, I believe that I have read the same thing over and over. Okay so you think Clare Weekes cured you, I personally don't, I don't agree that anyone can be cured... I think that we have to learn to live with it.
We are ALL born with anxiety, everyone, even people who don't suffer from nervous illness so, how can we get cured?


Take care

Chuckle

xxxx

Denis
23-06-06, 21:10
Right, I'm off. Misery loves company.

Go and get cured here http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/mb/jeff

On the site above, you will find many people who are cured.

panicannie
23-06-06, 21:10
hello guys! I've just been reading thru these posts and I have to say that I got so excited when I saw that headline about getting cured that I went straight to the claire weekes website, on finding that it was just another book I fealt a little disheartend and silly for thinking it was that easy. Its probably coz i'm feeling really down at the moment and I seriously considered getting the debit card out!! I mean I have got a couple of books but I find them hard to stick too! I'll keep trying tho! I think its easy to force opinions on others when the person is well themselves again, and I don't really understand what he means about the fact that we are all friends in here who pussy foot about. Yes we are all friends because we all understand what each others going thru be it in one way or another! I know for one I feel warmed by the fact that there is always someone here to help who isn't forcefull in their opinions. :D

joanne

chucklehound
24-06-06, 08:52
Denis, there is no cure for anxiety. Every single person is born with anxiety. What we have to do is to control the anxiety so that we don't get anxious about day-to-day things e.g going out, visitors etc etc.

Take care

Chuckle

xxxx

trac67
24-06-06, 09:43
Denis,

Well with sayings like 'misery loves company' your going to make some good friends here..................not.

Trac

'Live your life with arms wide open, today is where your book begins, the rest is still unwritten'

darkangel
24-06-06, 11:01
Denis

To quote you can get cured from anxiety is wrong to write here - maybe in your case YES - but everyone is an individual and we all have our own triggers and issues.

There is no magic cure and certainly not from reading a book - but I do agree that we need to face our fears - what you are trying to say is right but you are so aggressive and opinionated and that gets you no-where and certainly no friends.

I face my fears everyday and yes I am slowly recovering but I also am a realistic and realise that it is something I need to work on everyday in order to live a reasonable life - remember we all have different levels of anxiety and how it debilitates us - we do not need false hope but constructive ways in which we can face daily in a small controlled method. That is what gets long term results.

You also can not "fully understand my situation" - I am living in my body in my life - NOT YOU so please do not say you understand - yes you can empathise but you are not me!

Darkangel

........life is for living not just for surviving

carlin
24-06-06, 13:30
Bye-bye Denis!

chucklehound
24-06-06, 14:18
LOL Carlin:D:D:D

Maybe he doesn't realise that by reading a book cannot cure people, it has to come from ourselves.

Take care

Chuckle

xxxx

trac67
24-06-06, 15:17
I like your style Carlin lol, nice one mate !!!

Love

Trac xx

'Live your life with arms wide open, today is where your book begins, the rest is still unwritten'