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Hi all
well i will be starting ven tomorrow,
Ive got to take half a cipralex and 1 37.5mg ven for 2 weeks then stop the cipralex and take 2 ven. and I am crapping it scared in case I get bad side effects.
I believe you have to take with food? big worry as I am highly anxious at the mo and getting food down is a big problem at mo and not managing to eat till 12ish so need to take tablet before then so would a biscuit help with taking the table?
need some reassurance guys xx
Hi, i was the same.. i just couldnt eat at all.
Just try a biscuit in the morning and then take the tablet, drink lots of water.
I started on 75mg, im 14 days in and eating again now, the side effects lasted up to around day 10.
Good luck!
nicola1980
05-09-12, 19:05
Hi i take 150mg of ven but started off on just 37.5mg too, they can make you feel quite nauseas so if you can manage a biscuit before you take it then that will be fine and try and make sure you take it at the same time everyday, the other side effects i got were heightened anxiety and headaches for a few days, good luck xx
Hi there,
I was the same when I started and had to force something down to take the tablet. I used to manage half a bowl of cereal or a muesli bar and it seemed to be ok.
Good luck - there are loads of people on here who take venlafaxine, some of whom have recently started, so I'm sure you'll get lots of advice and support.
Take care
Pip
I found the start up SE's of Ven much easier to cope with than other anti d's I had tried. I am on day 9 now and it's getting easier to deal with.
Taking a biscuit or half a slice of toast is fine, I have little or no appetite and it's a struggle to get something down me to take the tablet too.
Good luck!! There are lots of us here to support you :hugs: Kitti
thanks all for your quick replies. I know were not all the with our symptoms but it helps to know what to look for, as I havnt change any meds for years and very anxious.
so today was D day for me took it with a biscuit. funny how im already checking myself for change even though I now it wont even be in my system yet!! I hope I dont have any bad side effects as I have just come through having a melt down this last week so dont really wont any more bad sensations.
well off to get dressed bow to take mind of self.
will keep you posted guys xx
Well done!! And try not to keep checking yourself for side effects....try and keep busy if you can, I know it's not easy. Good luck xx
Good luck Clio - you'll be fine!
Pip x
Good luck, and try not to worry to much! :)
nicola1980
06-09-12, 14:26
Good luck keep us posted on how your doing :hugs: xx
hi all,
quick update well thought I was okay till 5pm when I had a sudden urge that I needed that toilet well didnt make it!! diarrhoea
Is this normal Ive only taken 1 tablet? not a very good start is it trying not to panic, hard though
hope everyone is doing ok on there's will check in again later folks
xx
Clio,
It can upset your stomach a bit but that's unusual as a side effect. I imagine that it's your anxiety playing tricks on you.
Pip x
nicola1980
06-09-12, 18:26
oh no :-( but like pip said they can upset your tummy, i think if i remember when i started the slow release tabs they gave me diarrhoea, make sure you drinks lots of water :hugs: xx
And well done both for spelling diarrhoea right - I always struggle with it :winks:
Pip x
dont think its my anxiety as I feel quite chilled, as I took 2mg of diazepam this morning so that am not that bad.
think its a SE as I feel okay and chilled at the mo stomach feelsbit of but managed small amount of tea tonight.
will just monitor it,
xx
Oh dear :( hope you feel better later clio.
hi all
well its day 2, and should I say it, everythings ok but I must say I have also been taking 2mg of diazepam just to keep any edge off. hope im not speaking to soon!!:ohmy:
how is everyone else doing?
Glad ur doing well! Im ok, my day seemed to of got better! :)
That's great news, glad to hear you feel better than yesterday :)
I'm doing ok, used to the SE's now or maybe they are just not so noticeable anymore. Felt a little flat today and a bit spaced but I am also on 12mg diazepam a day so I guess that's probably why.
You are doing well....stay positive :yesyes: Kitti x
Felt a little flat today and a bit spaced but I am also on 12mg diazepam a day so I guess that's probably why.
12mg! il be knocked out..hehe
im scared of doing a whole 5mg! :roflmao:
12mg! il be knocked out..hehe
im scared of doing a whole 5mg! :roflmao:
:roflmao: well, the plan is to slowly reduce the diazepam as the Ven starts to kick in :wacko: lol...
thanks guys,
glad were all coping, I now you have SE and I dont at the mo(hopefully I stay that way) but its early days I know
What does it feel like when you say you feel spaced out?:hugs:
When im spaced out, i have a foggy head, and i just cant function.
Just feel hopeless :( just cant do the simplest thing.
Being spaced out for me is like brain fog....quite nice actually lol, but hard to concentrate on anything, just a bit like you're in your own little world, but still aware....don't worry about, you'll know if you feel it.
thanks guys
will keep you posted on progress
take care xx
hi.
well day 4, and everything seems to be going ok, no SE(dont want to speak to soon though) as its early days and I am still taking half cipralex and 1 venlafaxine 37.5mg. had no diazepam yesterday eithermanaged ok.
Went to Blackpool yesterday, which is about 60mile away from manchester I felt quite relax it was a lovely day weather wise. we went about 4.30pm and stayed to the illumination came on 8pm :yesyes: hope it keeps like this
Hope all are still doing ok, and chin up to us all!! xx
Well done clio51, sounds like you are managing really well....I hope it continues to be a positive step for you!! Great to hear you had a good day out too. You are doing so well :hugs: Kitti x
well day 7 today
still managing to eat (thank god) sleeping ok did a weird dream other night which woke me and left me thinking bloody hell what was I dreaming about that for.
still not taking any diazepam as the more meds i take the more freeked out I get so I less is good, but if I start to panic I will go back on them as I dont want to go back down that road again totally frecking out with thoughts going round your head all the time one after another not even making sense.
Have felt as if I had few palpatation around 12ish today but tried to read to take mind of it(why is it so hard to switch off from thoughts but so bloody easy to have them)
Dont feel as energised and good mood today feel bit flat god \i hope im not going backwards again!!
going to anxiety management classes starting next week only thing is they start at 10am and mornings are terrible for me I get up about 9ish it takes me ages to come round and get round to taking meds with a biscuit and I usually dont feel like breakfast till 11.30ish or later, so I amnot looking forward to it at all. My mental health worker said I need to push myself as its only for 1 day a week will have to see if I can do a dummy run get up earlier and see how I manage see if I can be ready to go for 9.30 to get there for 10am
anybody else that morning are not good for them?
hey clio
i found that im worse in the mornings, but the best thing to do is make yourself get out of bed, get showered etc, have breakfast and then do something like a walk?
i felt like crap the 2nd week on ven and a couple of times just stayed in bed, but this just made me more anxious.
Your doing well, the first 2 weeks are hardest i found, im on 3 weeks now and feeling loads better :)
Also i felt very low and flat for 2 weeks, it does pass!
Gav.
You are doing just great clio :yesyes:
I had the palps and I am also sleeping well, with some weird dreams too!! I have also been a bit flat...it's 2 weeks for me now but as Gav says, after 3 weeks he is really feeling the benefits, that really gives me a lot of hope.
Good luck with your anxiety management classes, I am sure you will benefit from it. I also struggle in the mornings, high anxiety and hard to motivate myself so I understand what you are saying....:hugs:
Stay positive, you have done really well so far, I'm sure it will all fall into place soon.
All the best, Kitti :) x
happy birthday kit
well yesterday was bad all the way through till night time
couldnt settle anxiety high,thoughts of things going over and over things like why I am like this \/ why cant I feel relax? why do i feel out of sorts? and many more.
Do you guys have thoughts like these ? what are you like when your out of sorts? what feelings and thoughts do your have any like mine?
was back to not eating tea last night tried to push my self but you know when you get that feeling you really dont want something it was like that torture in a way. well the night didnt get any better I went freezing cold (I know it was colder last night) but that wasnt why just couldnt get warm heating was on and I had hot water bottle as well took about 2 hours to feel calmer and warmer was doing wordsearch and bit of novel reading to take mind off it. was dreading going to bed in case I couldnt sleep!! but managed ok while to get off.
This morning woke 7.40 its like a instant thing with me on how I feel my mouth is dry and a film coating on tongue which when \i touch or feel makes me feel sick my be hence the heaving my stomach also was jittery this is the start of my day and it brings me down and today my anxiety is high cant settle dont know what do do with myself everything seems an effort thoughts going round head. Back on the diazepam to calm me down \9 worried \i might come to rely on these
I dont work im on esa havnt worked for 9 years, but this last year as been horrible more downs than ups. Have suffered with cronic anxiey and depression on and off for over 30 years I am 55 years old
how long have you guys been suffering? do you have simalar symptoms as me? whats yours like? how do you manage when your in a melt down ?
sorry
for going on, asking questions but I feel am I the only one with these symptoms?
Thank you for the birthday wishes xx
Sorry you are not feeling so good.....are you just on the ven & diaz now? Maybe some withdrawal from your other meds but first couple of weeks I have been very up & down, lost my appetite completley (it's coming back now) very dry mouth still. I have had the shakes, high anxiety, been freezing cold, things going around my head or just numb...all pretty manageable though some a bit unpleasent. It is definitely starting to get better for me so there is hope!!
I have had this on and off for around 6 years now, had CBT twice, I am still seeing the therapist now, she has really helped me to manage the symptoms although it takes some time to get it. My melt downs have become less frequent but I think that is because I am also on diazepam. Hang in there...it all sounds pretty normal and you know the first few weeks are the worst, it's still early days for you.
Take care, big hugs :hugs: Kitti x
thanks Kit
how many cbt you had now and have they said you can have? what are your problems if you dont mind me asking?
No I take half a cipralex 1 37.5 mg venlofaxine 1 5mg prochlorperazine and when bad 2mg diazepam
still feel crap my mouth is also like a sandpit(never noticed this bad before) only had weebabix and piece of bread, partner took me out shopping didnt want to go really but pushed myself really hard to do. felt as if walking around I wanted to cry feeling really down. few panicky feelings the ones that make you ready to flee type.
I get this strong feeling that I cant cope or take anymore of this and I get a powerful thought that I want to be in hospital and let somebody help me as I cant do this, this happens when i am in melt down and my partner is not enough for me maybe cause if really doesnt know what it is really like for me hell I feel sorry for him having to put up with me again on melt down so why do i keep getting the same question coming back into my head dont think im handling it well as I dont when I have symptoms it freeks me out and the first think to go is my appetite. mental health worker do think understands rang him today and all he says is try to eat a little how the f... can I when I dont physically want it also I dont think he realizes how hard it is weening off meds starting cbt and now at the worse time of the morning for me 10am anxiety management group. all this is getting on top of me and the what he says to me \i feel like shouting back you dont know what its like!!
how do you manage your symptoms? what do you do? how do you switch of from thoughts and symptoms?
any info and help to sort me out please :weep:
Hey hun, I have anx/panic/agoraphobia which led to depression....the depression bit is all new to me although I felt it coming....
I had 12 sessions of CBT about 5 years ago, mainly for the panic attacks, it did help, but I was on diazepam then too. I had a complete meltdown last November and have been having therapy weekly since April. I find it easier to handle the anxiety, 'just let it do it's thing' she says, it won't hurt you, welcome it and go with it...something like that. It's the agoraphobia and the depression I am finding harder to handle, positive thinking is really not easy when you are so low and feel like you have no life ahead of you....I am scared to go out alone, I have managed to make a small comfort zone for myself as long as it's not too far or somewhere really busy...I rely so heavily on my partner, he has become my 'safe person' and I really must try to understand that I can do things by myself....
I have felt really low and had a cry this afternoon, I'm sure it's the meds, ups & downs....I have had a couple of good days but there is always things going around my head that are hard to switch off...negative things. The only solace I have is that I am sleeping really well on the Ven, too much really, I am tired all the time and lack motivation. I guess it's just a waiting game and getting the dose right....
I have been signed off work for the past 8 weeks, it's soul destroying for me but I know if I went back tomorrow it would do me more harm than good atm. Sometimes I read, listen to music, watch a film.....but mostly I just feel imprisioned in this nightmare. I am trying to be optimistic though, it's the only way I can cope. I just keep telling myself it WILL get better and the old me will come back. Sometimes I can switch off, sometimes I can't. I am sure your therapy will help you deal with these intrusive & unwanted thoughts a little better :hugs: Keep me posted, Kitti x
hiya
god you are really brave managing to go to work in your melt down in nov. you seem a positive person. so have you been on diaz since then? how old are your Kitti?
my melt down was sept last year and ive had about 2 more meltdowns since
I have panic attacks chronic anxiety and depression. I have cut myself off from family and dont really have any close friends and dont go out socially .I dont know why I have done this my world is becoming smaller but its the only way I can cope at the mo. I dont really know how its all come about and got so bad.
i didnt what to know i suppose what problems my family were having or the calling each other.
trying to be calmer doing bit reading, wordsearch( which I never thought I would do) and if I can be interested tv
take care xx
how is everybody else doing this week?
Hi Kitti
how's your day been?
another horrible morning for me again, god I wish all these sensation will bloody go. had a bit of headache for last 3 days dont know if its the concentration on the wordsearch (ha) had diaz 10 mins after getting up to caml me down little pushed myself at breakfast which was 11.30 from getting up at 9am like being forced fed.
managed my 3rd cbt session, its at the assessment stage 4 weeks then we will see if its what I want and then decide how many sessions.
have you been having cbt since april ?
Hi hun,
It seems like you are getting a few side effects now...be patient, they will subside, mine have definitely eased off although I am very anxious/shakey in the mornings. My appetite is definitely better now but still hard to eat first thing when taking the tablet...I can just about manage a biscuit. I know others have said they had headaches but I didn't get them thankfully. I have been very low since yesterday afternoon, cried a lot, very flat and down, the worst I have felt since starting ven, I may need an increase, I'll see what the doc says on Monday.
Great to hear you are managing the CBT sessions, I hope it helps you. Btw, I am in my 40's...and yes I have been having CBT since April, weekly sessions, she has been great and extended it twice (I was initially only supposed to be having 12) I am going 2 weekly now which will take me through to November.
Stay strong, you are actually doing really well. Thinking of you :hugs: Kitti x
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Oh, by the way, I totally get what you said about cutting yourself off, not socialising and your world getting smaller....that's exactly what happened to me, although my family have been great, they just don't quite get it.
hi
soz your feeling upset, nothing worse than feeling down which bring the tears on
if I do that I end up with headache! but they just come times and you cant stop them somebody just as to say the wrong thing and the tears start I know how you feel(not that that makes it any better) bet you can't wait for mon at doc's
you don't seem phased by the symptoms you get the shakes etc
how do you manage it?
as its those that hold me back, I don't handle them well they freek me out.
my family say they understand and are good, but its me I get scared ( pathetic at 54) if I have an attack or get symptoms it makes me want to flee the scene
:bighug1: xx
I think I learned how to 'manage' it from the CBT, it's just a symptom of anxiety, it's not going to hurt or harm me...the best thing to do is just to ignore it and carry on regardless, if you don't it's like a vicious circle of worry and you end up getting all the other symptoms too, racing heart, dizzy, scared, panicky....I know it isn't easy, anxiety and your response to it is a learned behaviour...you just have to try and carry on as if it isn't there....easier said than done, I know. It doesn't always work, but it sure helps to look at it that way. Even my panic attacks are more manageable now and less frequent, not nice at all, but as I said before, I learned to say ok, do your thing, I'm not going to die or anything and I know it will pass eventually. It's still scarey, don't get me wrong, that's why I can't go far from home. But I am learning to deal with it I guess....:hugs: xx
hi everyone
how as your day been today?
mines not been to bad , bad start this morning as usual wish it would do one
forcing myself to eat a bit more going to have snack in a while. wish I could just do it without having to ponder over it.
Hi
As from yesterday I have upped from 37.5mg to 75mg one morn and one night.
last night didn't go to well, felt like I wasn't asleep very light and woke early 7.30 god I could of really gone back to sleep but for some reason I couldn't.
today's not been to bad apart from being very tired, went for 4th cbt session god I hope they help me, I have been allocated 12 sessions, long way to go yet
oh well hope tonight a better nite.
hope everyone's doing well :bighug1:
Hey clio, glad ur getting on well with ur increase, i know what you mean by waking up early, im like that at the moment.
If you get on ok at 75mg, ask for the slow release ones and then you just take one a day in the morning, i got on better with them.
Gav
Well done Clio, sounds like it's not been too bad for you, I hope the fact that you are tired means you will sleep well tonight!! Great news about the CBT too...I started off with 12 sessions, once a week back in April, but she has managed to extend it twice for me...I am now going fortnightly until Novenber and then that's it for me, fixed or not lol...but seriously, I have got a lot from it, I hope you do too :hugs: Kitti x
hi.
well another bad nights sleep, and didn't go to bed till 1.20am! and was tired well it seemed ages till I dropped off still awake when my son came in after is fri nite out 2.34am from then on I was dreaming alot felt like very light sleep tossing and turning. woke at 7ish again!!really wanted to go back to sleep but couldn't. when I first went on them I was sleeping better or it felt like that and now this well hope it settles down .
Gav..... thanks's for the tip about slow release, I have to stay on 75mg for 2 weeks (on day3 now) then go back to doc. hope you went ok at doc today? and you are a little more brighter in yourself. mine is more the anxiety/panic but the depression as got to me now.
kitti...... hope your doing ok? cbt is a lot of questions and searching back hope it helps me with my panic/anxiety as I said my world is very small and limited. I can only give it a try!.
hope everyone else is doing ok :bighug1:
nicola1980
22-09-12, 11:42
Hi clio, ven can effect your sleep but if you ask for the slow release that usually helps as you only need to take 1 in the morning but there expensive hence why gps are reluctant to prescribe :mad: x x
Sorry to hear you didn't sleep too well, I hope you are feeling ok other than that...
My world is much the same as yours, very small and limited. The cbt has helped me to cope much better with the anx/panic, in fact I have not had a panic attack at all since being on the Ven...still lots of anxiety, some just background type and some more intrusive. The hardest part for me is opening up my very small comfort zone or having to rely on others to accompany me if I have to go anywhere that makes me feel anxious....my mood is definitely improved on the 75mg, I think I am doing quite well...so far, so good :yesyes:
Stay positive and I hope you have a good day :flowers: xx
Hi all,
went to bed 12am and woke again 2.15am (oh no) well managed to get back off thank god but still woke early at 7ish. managed to lay there drifting but not sure if this makes it worse because really tired when I get up no go in me or motivation everything seems a big big effort!! No heaving though which is a good thing as it really was horrible.
still feel down and flat this morn few palps now need to chill, thing is i am still not interested in things and feel I have to push myself even to make the bed how sad it that! need a kick up the a.... just managed to have biscuit and take ven
can I ask what does it feel like when your spaced out?
I have a feeling in my head it's like you here but not weird puts you in touch with your body sensations and it heightens my anxiety I have now got the palps(is that the ven) really need to switch my thoughts off guys(easy said than done) prob not sounded sense all this( so sorry for rambling)
hope everyone's good:bighug1:
Hi clio, when I feel spaced out its kind of like being a bit drunk, being aware of whats going on but not really being part of it and as if everything's a bit blurred round the edges (but not in a visual way)...I dont feel 'sharp' if that makes any sense.
I also get palpitations but always have done. I do think ven makes them a bit worse but I have learned over the years not to let myself get too freaked out by them.
Its horrible when your thoughts wont stop, Ive been a bit like that the last few days and last night had a really strong urge to 'run away'....but from what I dont know....I cant run from my own thoughts because no matter how I run they're still there.
Hope today improves for you:hugs:
X
Clio I totally understand about the spacey feeling...it's like your usual surroundings all being there but you feel like you're no longer really part of them I always think and you are so aware of your self and how you are feeling.
I've only taken one Ven pill so far but haven't taken it for 2 days now as
I started getting SE's almost immediately, first dizziness and sickness and then a very dry sore throat, terrible heart burn and palpitations which made me panic. My sleep is terrible any how on Mirtazapine so I'm used to that bit. Over the last 7 months I've become more and more of an insomniac on it even though I managed to sleep till 5 for the first time in yonks last night now I've lowered the dose and Mirtazapine is meant to get more sedating the lower you go. The prob is I am going pretty horrible withdrawel, I had a huge panic attack the moment I woke up today and had to take todays 4mg of Diazepam and tomorrow mornings too to calm down, which resulted in me begging for some more at a walk in centre and this doctor didn't want to give me it at all. I eventually persuaded him but now my own GP will probs say I've failed miserably at sticking to the prescribed dose but I was just so ill and desperate!
Anyhow, I had someone from the crisis team visiting me at 10.45am this morning and he assured me Ven is a brill medication and usually always works for people Mirtazapine has failed on. He thinks I will need it to see me through the rest of my very unpleasant divorce and because I am moving into a rented flat with nothing because my low life hubby has everything. (He refused to leave our house but I will get half of it one day and luckily we have 100K's worth of equity in it! But he has all my possessions, all the furniture, everything basically and since I left in May he hasn't paid a penny towards looking after his little boy or even let William have any of his things either and guess who is still either paying or paid for everything we ever owned? ME!!! so it's been horrible with a cap H!!! but on a positive note, I'm no longer that bothered about the material things, I just want my photos and things like that back now!!! I am away from an horrible controlling man and his evil Mother, I am back living with my family, now have a lovely little flat to rent close to my Sisters in a nice area, my family are all chipping in to buy new things for it, my 9 year old loves it here and is going to go to the school my sister works at and his cousin goes to but even so, the crisis team still believe the Ven will probs really help me start my new life! I've been warned coming off mirt isn't nice (I already know, ha ha) and the first couple of weeks on Ven could be rough but Ven is def the medicine to get you on track again!!! Sooooooo.....I'm gonna give it a go as I could come off the Mirtazapine and become AD free and be fine but on the other hand I could still be ill for months, where as the Ven will give me a better chance all for the sake of a rough couple of weeks and I've already had a rough 7 months!!! It's just that I'd like some more Diazepam to help see me through these rough weeks but every one round these parts seem very reluctant to give me it back now I've gone down to 4mg's from 20mg! All I need it for is to see me through the Mirt with.d and the Ven start up. I mean look at you Gav, 4 weeks on Ven and you're already not needing to take your Diazepam all the time so I don't see the big problem!!!! All I can do is speak to my doctor tomorrow again and get myself on the Ven knowing the Se's will soon pass and the Mirt will finally be out of my system too as I hopefully start to feel better at long last (:
Clio and Kitti were you depressed before you started the Ven or is the depression caused by the chemicals in your brain still being a unbalanced until the Ven truly gets into your blood stream? I can remember not being depressed at all on Mirtazapine and by the third week on it, I was an emotional wreck just crying non stop and then my occasional panic attack turned into terrible anxiety every day, which is when I should have kicked it into touch but my doctor just told me to up the strength and you trust them don't you! 7 months later here I am terrified of AD's and praying Ven gates me back to little old me again fast!
Clio I hope you are feeling miles brighter soon, so glad you aren't getting panic attacks at least now Kitti, you are doing so well and so much braver than I am. Well done :)
It's still early days Clio...I felt a bit flat & spaced out the first couple of days on my increase, it's a bit like Coni says, your sort of in your own little world, maybe a little dizzy, senses heightened...more aware of yourself rather than what is going on around you. And yes, I am getting palps too, but I know they wont harm me so I choose to ignore them.
This is day 6 for me on 75mg and I can honestly say I am now feeling much better, maybe since yesterday. Any side effects are minimal and I am not focusing on them so much now so the must be going....I actually feel quite good, even the constant negative thoughts seem to be going away. I still have my usual morning anxiety, but it passes much quicker now, I know I still need to focus on my motivation.
Give it another few days...I'm sure you will notice a change. Obviously the lack of good sleep doesn't help...as you know I am sleeping well, it has done me good. Maybe you are having some withdrawal effects from your other medication too....
Thinking of you...stay strong :hugs: hope you feel better soon x
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Karen....I wen't through something very similar to you a few years ago and I can truly empathise with your current situation.
Yes, I was depressed before taking the ven....four weeks on and I am feeling so much better and confident that this medication can really help me.
I hope you have the courage to give it another go....don't forget you will be suffering withdrawal from Mirt and some new SE's with the ven, but they (for me) were not anywhere near as frightening as the SE's of Citalopram. I know it's hard and scarey, but try and think positive...the MH worker has given you some reassurance, I hope this helps you too. Good luck with everything and remember, we are all here to support you :hugs: xx
Thank You Kitti, I am gonna start up again on Wednesday as I have an important meeting on Tuesday lunch time but then absolutley nothing planned afterwards. I can stay with my parents a bit longer too until I start to feel a lot better (hopefully). I'm so glad Ven seems to be helping you loads, Dave from the crisis team did say it's an absolutley brilliant AD and they often give it to people who have failed on Mirtazapine and who are real sensitive to SSRI's like Citalopram. If only my doctors would just help me with a bit more diazepam until I am through the start up and W.D from Mirt. I'll beg her again tomorrow, ha ha :D
Just a question Ven experts :). Do the SE's get worse every day until they peak or do they hit you almost right away as I can live with how I felt when I did take it the other day. I'm not bothered about any of the list of effects, it's just when it lists heightened anxiety that always scares me to death after always having worse panic attacks whenever I went on Citalopram!
That's how I always knew I was getting better on Citalopram though Kitti, I'd still have anxiety in the morning but usually it had gone by the time I got back from taking my little boy to school and then I'd be ok the rest of the day until I started waking up feeling perfect! :)
Karen, i think i went a few days with no real side effects and then got them... but everyones different! Because i was feeling anxious this made me feel worse, its hard to separate the 2?
The symptoms of anxiety are quite the same as the SE's of the AD.. well thats what i found. You are also dealing with coming off the mirt, i went 1-2 weeks med free before starting the ven. but found it terrible coming off the fluox, they were making me so ill i couldnt taper off them, so i just stopped taking them! (not recommended).
gav.
Karen, I didn't find it increased my anxiety very much at all....possibly would have if I'd worried about every little feeling I got, but I just kept saying it's only the tablets....I'll be fine....and actually I was. I had the worst anxiety and panics ever on Citalopram, that's why I stopped them, I was scared of my own shadow on them :wacko: awful SE's. As you know, I am on diazepam too...I was when I took the Cit, but it didn't make any difference with that, I just felt worse and worse. I can honestly say Ven has been a fairly easy ride for me so far and I am now feeling a bit better every day....I wish you luck, I hope it works for you :hugs: x
karen, I didn't noticed any more different started the ven, prob because I was in a bad state at the time high anxiety, lots of scary thoughts (like I am going mad etc) well more madder than I am now haha!. like Kitti and gav I to had diazepam 2mg upto 3 times a day but I usually only took two at the most I am scared of taking them to, think it's to do with me not being in control(if that makes sense)
and scared of what the tablets will do to me. The first few days with the diazepam with manageable still had high anxiety and sometimes switched off and in world of my own even when ny partner was talking to me I wasn't really listening or interested but to be honest iv'e prob been like that for a long time depressed but without realizing it. My world is very small as I get high anxiety/panic attacks and it's that,that stops me getting on with life I have almost become a recluse. I have nearly almost stopped talking to my family because I can't handle the phone calls and occ visits it became to much for me and at the moment it's all I can handle. I know exactly where your coming from as I have had to melt downs this year and they are HORRIBLE. It was my MH worker who discussed me the psych who decided on ven and then decussed it with my doctor as they think the cipralex wasn't working anymore for me I am only on the 4th day at 75mg so early days for me yet.
you are very brave at what you are doing it's like going cold turkey you coming down of the mirt, when you think of it you have nothing to lose as you are having SE now, so if you start the ven, if you do get SE they prob won't be any different.
wish you all the very best:flowers:
Hi all
well pouring down here and windy horrible day
well last night was another bad night's kip, woke at 5am tossed and turned but managed to get back off woke again 8am with my legs aching I must be tensed whilst asleep. no heaving still anxious though, trying to get distracted from myself with tv. MH worker just been told him about waking up and said it could be the ven the night dose stirring the brain up again? so when go to doc's next week ask for slow release so just taking one a day. god I hope he's right cause I could do with more quality sleep.
Sleep deprivation is terrible isn't it Clio? I've not slept for weeks now, even months on Mirtazapine which is meant to make you sleep like a baby! I am often awake from 1am and have to take sleepping pills or diazepam but last night they didn't work at all as my withdrawal is so bad. It's totally put me off going on another AD again now as I feel like I have flu (even though right now I am perfect as I'm weird and like clock work always feel fine by 4pm even on bad days!). This morning I had really bad panic attacks and was actually sick twice this morning which I've not been at all since starting Mirt 7 months ago, I've felt pretty rough for 7 months but nothing like this...it's like Citalopram in reverse coming off this Mirtazapine, absolutley horrible and I just want off it now but am terrified that as I cut the pill in half again I'll get even worse. Nicola, help because you have done it!!!!!!! (and I really hope you're feeling better now after your blip day.)
Panic attacks also make me scared to go out Clio and when I was on Citalopram I used to hate family even coming too as I just wanted the house to be totally quiet. I still wish I'd gone back on it though as it never failed to make me completley better. I'd probs be on FB now again not here if I had done, lol!!! I've had to take my little boy to school and back today despite feeling really rotten (I thought I was going to have to swim home as everywhere is flooded, ha ha!) People really have no idea just how debilitating anxiety can be have they. The only good thing is I know you always get better and go back to normal eventually. Ven really does sound like a great drug too but I think I'm going to carry on trying to get off this Mirtazapine once and for all, give it a few weeks and see what I'm trully like and if I'm still having panic attacks and anxiety, then I'll def go on the Venlafaxine but right now I'm not sure if it's my situation that's made me more poorly these past few months or all down to an adverse reaction to Mirt. Hope every one has a better day tomorrow ((((((hugs))))) Karen x
nicola1980
24-09-12, 18:26
Hi Karen, mirt withdrawal is nasty alot worse than cit withdrawal, i just stopped within 2 weeks of tapering down as i was a quivering rocking suicidal panic attack wreck on them :ohmy: i went straight onto the ven and suffered withdrawal for about 2 weeks but as soon as i stopped the mirt i wasn't suicidal or anything anymore so if i was you id just bite the bullet and stop and start the ven, i promise it gets better :hugs: xx
That has just described me Nicola on this Mirtazapine ...I'm down to 15mg's and 7.5 next week but did consider going cold turkey last night when I was feeling so rough... just to get it all over with faster! I was reading on the net you feel horrible for about 5 days and then that's it but tapering you can feel bad for a few weeks though most people don't even get any WD tapering off Mirt....hmfff!!! Hoy you up there, what did I ever do to you to make me go through this eh Mister? ha ha! :lac:
I have my next GP appointment on Thursday so I'll ask him if I chop Mirt down to 7.5mg then just stop of do I need to go to 3.something or other too! I'm still hoping I'll just end up super calm because I'm over worrying so much about my divorce now my life is falling nicely into place but if I am still naturally panicky, not chemically panicky then I'll go on Venlafaxine. DEAL! :winks:
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