depression worse :'(

[Rochelle121]

Im on day 13 I think? And my depression is so bad I feel like I cant cope anymore :'(

[rossthekid]

Hang in there, it will get better. I am in the same boat almost 2 weeks after increasing and its horrible. My anxiety has gone through the roof, cant eat anything but you have got to tell yourself its the drug doing this to me. It is not you.

[Rochelle121]

Its the constant crying and feeling bad thats getting to me.

[rossthekid]

copied and paste for your info
Hi,

I've been reading these forums for a while, and I've been taking SSRIs for the last 3 years (Cipralex). One of the concerns I've noticed most people have when starting an SSRI or increasing it's dose is how crap they feel to start with. This causes a great deal of stress for the person as they begin to wonder whats happening, is their disease just getting worse and worse, are these drugs doing absolutely nothing for them?? etc etc.

So having not seen a real explanation of exactly how an SSRI works I thought I'd make this post to hopefully show people exactly WHY you often feel so aweful to start with.


First to understand this we need to know a little bit about the brain and about how nerves work.

The brain is essential a big dense bundle of nerves, nerves as we know carry electrical signals around our brain and body. Nerves are made up of nerve cells (called neurons but that doesn't really matter).

The important part to remember here is that nerve cells do not touch each other, there is a small gap between each cell (called a synapse, again not important). This gap prevents the electrical signal from going from one cell to another. So how does the signal get from one cell to another?

This is where neurotransmitters come in, these are chemicals released by nerve cells that tell a neighbouring nerve cell to pass the signal along. A bit like pass the parcel, where the signal is the parcel and the neurotransmitters are the people passing it around (essentially anyway).

Serotonin is one such neurotransmitter.

So when an electrical signal reaches the end of a nerve cell that deals with serotonin that cell releases serotonin into the gap (synapse), serotonin then crosses the gap and interacts with the nearby nerve cell and tells it to pass the signal along.

Once the serotonin has done it's job parts of the nerve cell then reabsorb the serotonin from the gap so that no more signals are passed until the next one comes down the nerve (if it stayed in the gap it would invoke more signals and for longer).

SSRIs, (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors) interfere with this reabsorbtion process and thus serotonin stays in the gap longer, which equates to more serotonin and more signals. This is good for people with low serotonin levels (us).


That's all very interesting I'm sure but why do I feel like crap??

Well here's the thing, along with the releasing serotonin, and reabsorbing it, nerve cells also have parts that detect an increase in serotonin level and tell the nerve cell to stop producing anymore serotonin until the level drops. These are called autoreceptors.

Autoreceptors are the reason you feel like shit, so when you feel like crap blame them.

As I've said taking an SSRI will increase the amount of serotonin in your brain, or more specifically increases the amount in the synapses between nerve cells. Unfortunately the autoreceptors of the nerve cell pick up on this increase and tell the nerve cell to stop producing serotonin.

The result of this is that when you first start taking an SSRI your serotonin levels DROP.

How do they go up again??


Eventually with continuous use of SSRIs the autoreceptors become desensitised, that is to say they've continually told the nerve cell to stop producing serotonin but yet serotonin is still there. In short they simply give up. They stop telling the nerve cell to stop producing serotonin and your serotonin levels start to increase.

This desensitisation takes time, it doesn't happen over night and it won't even begin to happen until the SSRI levels have stabilised (which we already know takes 5-7 days anyway).

This is why you feel so bad, it's why your mood drops and your anxiety increases (fueld by the fear of not knowing whats going on).


I hope this isn't too complicated but it really helps me to understand why I feel so bad when i increase dose or start taking them, so to summarise:

SSRIs cause your serotonin levels to drop when you first start taking them.

Your serotonin levels will not rise until the autoreceptors in your brain have stopped working (become desensitised).

This takes time. For some people it could be a couple of week, for others a month or more.



I hope this helps some people to understand what these drugs are doing and why you don't get instant results. Other drugs work in different ways and that's the reason they can have a more immediate effects (benzos

[Rochelle121]

Thank you Ross its just so hard to feel so bad for so long :(

[rossthekid]

keep going

[Rochelle121]

Im just scared of feeling this bad, I want to fight on and come through it but im scared my depression will overtake :(

[TweetyBird2]

Rochelle, Rossthekid is right... just give it a wee bit more time. The depression is one of the first things to lift when this medicine starts working, believe me!
But it can make you feel worse than ever, before you feel better. But the depression will lift.
Just plow on a bit longer. You'll see one day that you can stand at the edge of the abyss and look down,but can't fall in...that's when you know it's working. ;)

[Rochelle121]

Thank you Tweety, im really trying my best but feeling pretty hopeless at the minute and overwhelmed by it all.

[SADnomore]

Uhg! I know, hunni. I hate the crying and despondency. It hurts to breathe! Depression sucks. As Ross said, hang in there until those autoreceptors give up and more serotonin is produced and your mood will lift! :hugs:

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Thanks Ross for the explanation! Very helpful! :flowers:

[Rochelle121]

Thank you, they worked for me in the past so im praying they will work this time too! I just dont remember feeling soo panicky and depressed due to side effects last time :/

[SADnomore]

Try several long, slow deep breaths ... In through your nose, to a count of 4. Hold for two. Out through your nose to a count of 6. ... Lots of water. Good food, or at least foods you like. Read positive threads on here. Watch a happy movie on tv. Force yourself to take a walk, even if it's only to the end of the block and back. Set goals of a little further each day. Get some sunshine at all costs. Take vitamin D (lower levels shown to be implicated in depression, even my doc said to take it), there are drops you can even just take orally. Be gentle and encouraging with yourself. It will get better soon. :hugs: