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W.I.F.T.S.
05-01-07, 16:12
As far as I'm concerned I have been depressed for most of my life: as a kid I didn't socialise that much; I didn't get my first girlfriend until I was 22; I haven't really persued that many interests or hobbies; I've been socially awkward....

I'm now starting to think that either I've confused feelings of anxiety with depression quite a bit or that my nerves are the principle cause of my long-term, chronic depression (or both). The sort of complaints that I have, which make me feel depressed are: that I'm too shy to talk to women (fear of rejection/humiliation); that I know that I'm smart, but that I can't seem to get a career going whilst everyone else can (fear of failure in a job with more responsibility, meaning that I haven't persued a career as much as i could have); I'm too scared to travel (agoraphobia, fear of being away from home and not having my family to take care of me); I don't know if I'll ever be ready for a marriage, kids and mortgage (fear of responsibility); I don't have that many friends (fear of rejection)......

Throughout most of my life I have taken the non-threatening, non-challenging option because I've been so afraid, which has often meant that I've done a very unsatisfactory job, not really socialised or stretched myself and came home most nights to watch the telly. The monotony of that sort of tedious existence has caused me to feel so depressed.

Thankfully I've realised it and now my life is much fuller: I've got an exciting job starting shortly; I'm going to sign up to do the level 2 coaching course in the summer; I'm running 4 football teams.....very shortly my evenings should go from stopping in most nights to Sunday: Football, Monday: Football, Tuesday: Music Course, wednesday: jamming, Thursday: Football training, friday: Tai Chi, Saturday: Pub.

I think that you've got to take those first steps and face your fears and things quickly snowball, so where you might be nervous about joining a class, you quickly make new friends and you find the course inspiring, so you go out socially with your new friends and take a further course or whatever....the anticipation that you associate with anxiety turns into excitement, you start looking forward to going to the class and your thoughts start becoming a lot more positive and optimistic.

I started volunteering as the social coordinator for my local gym about a year ago and now I run loads of teams (two of which should win their leagues!! Trophies for me) and know lots more people, it's got me back into sport for the first time since school, it's pushed me into being more assertive and organised, I've ended up working with the town mayor as a charity organsier and whenever I have an idea of something fun to do (such as paintballing), I can put it on the noticeboard and meet new people doing it. Ultimately, I'd love to organise foreign trips...but that's very ambitious at the minute.

My point is that I've suffer from chronic depression all my life and this is my fourth year of recovering from a nervous breakdown, so I'm as ill as most people on the site. But, I realise how I've fell into being like this and what i think I need to do to get out of it. I'm as nervous as anyone, but I'm able to organise sports teams because, the way i see it, everything is scary to me on pretty much the same level, whether it's putting a side together or driving to the next town. I need to drive to the next town, so i face the fear. If I can do that then I can manage a team. Face the fear. It WILL feel horrendous, but it's the most liberating thing that you can do for yourself because sooner or later, if you keep facing the fear, you won't feel the fear at all.

Ships in harbour are safe..but that's not what ships were built for.

Lindalou64
05-01-07, 16:27
thats is just awsome wifts.....[8D] im real happpy for you keep up the good work and ya so right about facing ya fears.......tc linda xx

W.I.F.T.S.
06-01-07, 13:04
I really do feel that if I can get my head right about travelling and about 'grown up' things like relationships, work, having my own place and kids then I can be really happy. I was reading about David Bowie today and how he used to take drink and drugs because he was chronically shy (fear of people) and it helped to relieve him of his inhibitions. I have fallen into the same trap myself. Thankfully, I'm getting over that now- i realise that I don't have to analyse everything I say before i say it and to try and control people's perceptions of me- and I'm starting to gain friends who I feel are good for me.

Very often I've done things and my anxiety/depression has kicked in and made me feel like I don't belong in that situation and that I should go home and do nothing. I guess the way for me to overcome that is to realise what it is and to just carry on regardless. It's very hard though because i get it a lot. It makes me feel like I'm looking for a place where I belong (a pointless and frustrating endeavour) rather than learning to accept that I do belong where I am.

I keep thinking about the saying "madness is to carry on doing something that doesn't work and expecting different results". The flip side of that is that I've got to do things that I wouldn't normally do, to try things that 'aren't me', to surprise myself with what I'm capable of. When I first took on the role of social coordinator at my local gym I had a panic and thought "I can't do it, I'll have to quit". Thankfully, I perservered with it and it's given me so much already. And I think that I will get so much more out of it in the future. It has helped to give me some kind of status and hopefully it will give me an opportunity to travel and to do things like paintballing and water sports that I probably wouldn't get round to otherwise.

Really, for the first time in my life I'm now feeling like I'm choosing my friends (positive, trustworthy ones), I've got a job that will be really good for me, I'm working on my 'personal development' (courses, socialising etc), I'm actually choosing to be single, I'm more open to new ideas and learning and I'm taking much greater pride in myself. Fingers crossed, I will soon be feeling a lot calmer and positive and I can build up my confidence going further afield. It would be so amazing to be able to travel wherever I want to.

Ships in harbour are safe..but that's not what ships were built for.

Keitharcher
06-01-07, 19:42
Welcome to the school of people who have beat the terrible depression. Your story is a beacon to others, it shows what you can do when you start believe in yourself and your abilities. Well done mate, and in my opinion you are no longer ill, you just need a little more reassurance than a lot of other people. You have found interest in life and I am sure will go onto bigger and better things. If you need a role model, just look at Winston Churchill, he had his black dog (depression) all his life, yet he was one of the reasons this country held together and actually manged to become victorious in WW2

Keith

W.I.F.T.S.
07-01-07, 00:49
Hi Keith,

That was a very interesting point that you made. I googled Churchill and came up with a very interesting article which talked about Churchill's achievements with regards to depression. I guess that I'm going along the same lines as him: I don't want to stay in bed, waiting for it to pass and so I'm pushing myself on to greater and greater things in order to try and drag myself out of my malaise.

I'm hoping that the treatment of depression has progressed to such an extent in the last 40 years or so, that I will have much greater tools to deal with my own 'black dog' than Churchill did...I guess that in his day he was expected to "pull himself together". I feel that I'm very aware of the thought patterns that contribute towards my illness and that I'm doing a good job of correcting my attitudes....it does seem, however, that I have a physical problem with the chemical makeup of my brain (I don't feel physically feel right in my head) and that it will take time for that to correct itself.

Ships in harbour are safe..but that's not what ships were built for.

W.I.F.T.S.
07-01-07, 01:25
Been googling some more and Abraham Lincoln suffered from depression and anxiety attacks all his life, he called it his "shadow of madness".

Other depression/panic attack sufferers:

Noel Gallagher (had a year of panic attacks)
Steven Gerrard (had panic attacks during his proposed move to Chelsea)
Tolstoy
Alanis Morrissette
Roseanne Barr
Isaac Newton (insomnia and Anorexia too)
Sigmund Freud
Florence Nightingale
Franz Kafka (anxiety, stress and depression)
Jean-claude Van damme (manic depression)
Carrie Fisher (manic depression)
Jackson Pollock
Steven Hawking
Francis Ford Copolla
Linda Hamilton
Drew barrymore
Ernest Hemmingway
Tennessee Williams
Virginia Wolff
Irving Berlin
Cole Porter
Sting
Brian Wilson (beach boys)
Eric Clapton
Sheryl Crow
Axl Rose
T.S. Eliot
Sylvia Pliath
Walt Whitman
Michealangelo
Edvard Munch
Mark Rothko
Buzz Aldrin (Hospitalised)
F.Scott Fitzgerald
Edgar Alan Poe
Uma Thurman
Denise Welsh (depression and anxiety)
George Michael (depression)
Jack Dee (depression)
Kylie Minogue (depression)
Ben Stiller (manic depression)
melvyn Bragg
Jim carrey
Keisha- sugababes
Bill Oddie
Melinda Messenger
Mel C
Lenny Henry
Sarah lancashire
Ruby Wax
Hugh laurie
Sinead O'connor
kelly Holmes (self-harm)

Actually, I'd better stop there, because I've just found another website with hundreds of celebrity sufferers on it. That's on top of the obvious ones such as Robbie Williams, Caroline Ahearne and Stephen Fry...jeez, I knew there were a lot, but never this many. It almost seems like you can't be succesful without having depression!!

Ships in harbour are safe..but that's not what ships were built for.

Piglet
07-01-07, 13:39
Oh my goodness that's a long list.

I do remember reading about Florence Nightingale in one of Claire Weekes books, how she retired to bed for fear of all the symptoms she was having killing her. So she spent the next 50 years in bed!!! There's a big lesson in there somewhere isn't there!!

Piglet :)

"Supposing a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?" said Piglet.
"Supposing it didn't," said Pooh after careful thought.

W.I.F.T.S.
07-01-07, 19:39
The most interesting thing that I read is about people/celebrities with depression "rising above themselves" ie. pushing themselves as hard as they can to try and achieve as much as possible as a way of hopefully dragging themselves out of the abyss.

I can certainly relate to that. I've had severe depression and anxiety for about 4 years and rather than go back to bed and hope for it to wear off, I've been doing loads of voluntary and charity work, teaching myself new skills and generally going all out to try and fill my life up. Believe me, I really do feel terrible and most days it's hard to go outdoors, but I'm hoping that by driving myself forward I can: a) distract myself b) feel better about myself for achieving things c) meet new people and do things that I probably wouldn't have done otherwise and d) hopefully conquer the fear that causes me to be depressed.

I really do feel like it's working. I'm more excited about lots of different areas of my life than I ever have been, it's given me purpose and I really feel like I've got some really great new friends out of it. I know that it's really, really hard and it's hard to feel any sense of accomplishment sometimes if you (like me) are a perfectionist, plus it can be a real hassle sometimes, but pretty soon you start to think that you are capable of doing much more than you ever realised.

People ask me "why do you do all this voluntary work if you don't get paid for it?". Well, tonight I'm going out with 5 new friends that I never had before I started volunteering (otherwise I'd be sat in at home); I will be collecting a trophy next week for my football team winning the league; I get free gym membership out of it and I'm much better connected in my home town than I ever used to be....I can't understand why people DON'T do it!!!!

Here's the article anyway:

http://www.mhsource.com/exclusive/chanceth0196.html

Ships in harbour are safe..but that's not what ships were built for.

W.I.F.T.S.
08-01-07, 21:25
Eureka!! "When fear is not properly regulated anxiety disorders develop and depression can set in". (Your Brain, The Times). I didn't think that it would be possible to boil my condition down so easily, but i really think that that hits the nail on the head. I have a number of typical depression symptoms, but I really think that the root of my problems is fear. I've always been especially afraid of travelling and 'rights of passage' such as buying a place, having kids and getting married have seemed beyond me. I have had anxiety first and that has led to depression. When I was younger I was aware of the depression, but not the anxiety that precipitated it.

I did kind of know that already, but I thought that my anxiety and depression were two seperate illnesses rather than one causing the other.

Ships in harbour are safe..but that's not what ships were built for.