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Hi
Is anyone else suffering from panic and anxiety over the events of the last 24hours, and if so how are you coping?
Tims
Yes, it is what has brought me to this forum. I have been a recovered panic attack sufferer for over ten years now. I am hoping that the worst symptoms will pass if I try to keep to my normal routine and keep active. Last night I took a diazepam to try to calm me down after a few intense hours. It helped a bit but I still didn't sleep.
How are you doing today?
Any anxiety I felt disappeared the moment Cameron cried and rage quit. That may not be much help to you. Tl;dr - he who has sex with pig, cure anxiety.
Any anxiety I felt disappeared the moment Cameron cried and rage quit. That may not be much help to you. Tl;dr - he who has sex with pig, cure anxiety.
Lol 😂
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I've basically stopped watching the news, it really seems to be all doom and gloom
You may appreciate the Brexeity or Brexit Anxiety survey results by bcalm (https://bcalm.co/brexiety-disorder-anxiety-levels-across-the-uk-have-spiked-massively-since-the-referendum/) which found that 45% of Britons say they’re experiencing increased levels of anxiety in the aftermath of the EU referendum
The Times (http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-in-brief-vtssqsrt0) picked this up opening with:
Aberdeen is most worried about Scotland leaving the UK, Plymouth fears rising living costs and Liverpool is gripped by “uncertainty around Article 50”.
PS I'm hoping the Admin folk will kindly hyperlink the URLs for your convenience.
PPS My name is Andreas and I'm pleased to meet you all.
Welcome friend. Personally I think it's the media and their ilk scaremongering. From where I stand Britons have reclaimed their freedom and independence. And you can't put a price tag on that.
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MyNameIsTerry
07-07-16, 05:24
Welcome friend. Personally I think it's the media and their ilk scaremongering. From where I stand Britons have reclaimed their freedom and independence. And you can't put a price tag on that.
N.
All that article says is:
Worrying times
Aberdeen is most worried about Scotland leaving the UK, Plymouth fears rising living costs and Liverpool is gripped by “uncertainty around Article 50”. All this is according to a survey for bcalm, a remedy for panic attacks. Perhaps it could treat the markets?
Dreadful journalism. It doesn't even qualify as journalism.
From the study:
Uncertainty around whether Article 50 will be triggered (8%)
AND
Liverpool Uncertainty around whether Article 50 will be triggered
So, that tells us 8% of the whole country are worried over Article 50 and whether it will be triggered. Somewhere inside that we have Liverpool who must be a majority or why bother making it their highlight? What % are Liverpool? What % are the rest? Is 8% even a big deal? Where is the other 92%?
Aberdeen would have been worrying about Scotland leaving in the Scottish referendum surely?
Plymouth isn't the only one worrying about rising living costs so why single them out? That makes no sense since it reduces impact. :shrug::doh:
But here is the most telling thing of all...the website is selling an inhaler to stop panic attacks developing...so he really wants us all to click on that link so he can earn some money off peoples misery.
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You may appreciate the survey results by bcalm (bcalm.co/brexiety-disorder-anxiety-levels-across-the-uk-have-spiked-massively-since-the-referendum/) which found that 45% of Britons say they’re experiencing increased levels of anxiety in the aftermath of the EU referendum
The Times (thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-in-brief-vtssqsrt0) picked this up opening with:
Aberdeen is most worried about Scotland leaving the UK, Plymouth fears rising living costs and Liverpool is gripped by “uncertainty around Article 50”.
PS I'm hoping the Admin folk will kindly hyperlink the URLs for your convenience.
PPS My name is Andreas and I'm pleased to meet you all.
You are busted for selling, Andreas, so I don't think I shall be worrying about negatively reviewing your dubious "survey".
Some key issues with your survey:
- you claim this is a nationally representative study but the study is of 2,000 anxiety & panic disorder sufferers. This means it CAN'T be representative of anything other than existing anxiety & panic disorder sufferers.
- you claim 45% of Britons are experiencing increased levels of anxiety post Brexit vote. Anxiety us bound to be an emotion experienced with any large event, just look at Christmas, holidays, moving house, having kids, the list goes on. But the fatal error is in taking 2,000 sensitive individuals and attempting to apply them across a large demographic who don't have the same issues. Feeling some anxiety is normal, feeling afraid is a whole other story and typical of the kind of errors made by the ignorant...we aren't just "a bit worried" you know.
- you broke it down into 23 cities. That's 86-87 people per city. How you think you can then apply that to a city with millions in is ludicrous. The smaller the sample, the greater the bias and the lesser the variation. Doing things so small produces meaningless garbage data.
- you make no attempt to explain the study which is an instant red flag. We have no idea of the severity of the anxiety of these people, whether they are even diagnosed, the variations in their anxiety and whether such events even affect them in the first place. This all causes your data to become "dirty". No one can have any faith in a study that doesn't declare itself.
- you have a commercial interest in this area. You have commissioned a study and not declared you interest from what I can see. This makes any study dubious without understand who these so-called dr's are and their connection, or lack of, to your company.
- you have a "how has it impacted existing sufferers?" section where you breakdown 53% into 31% & 22%. 1% missing there somewhere. But since you claim 45% are experiencing increased anxiety, why is it now 53% when they are all from the 2,000 anxiety & panic disorder sufferers survey?
You've come on here as a standard member, but your user name clearly shows you to be a seller at this point. So, you are spamming forums to drum up business and using this survey to influence vulnerable people into buying your product. Well done, you've jumped on the Brexit band wagon to make yourself some case. That's just despicable.
Somehow I doubt Admin will be linking to a dubious study being used to generate sales for your company. :doh:
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:doh:
Dr Stephen Cox
Dr Stephen Cox, inventor of bcalm, is a board–certified psychiatrist who has specialised in anxiety disorder for more than thirty years. He founded the non–profit medical health education organization...
So, he did his own study (co study) on his own product. :roflmao: Oh, and since he's based in Lexington, USA, it's very interesting that he has any interest in the UK...:whistles:
Seller busted.
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Oh, and your company is called Alchemy V LTD of which there is 1 director called Andreas Voniatis. A previous director, Petra Jakubekova, bares a striking resemblance in name to a Petra Jakubek shown as the registrant name of your website.
What a despicable bunch you guys are. Trying to scare people. And I'll put money on this study being a fake too.
Hahaha good catch, Terry!
That's what Terry does best :winks:
I think he would make a great 'James Bond' :D
Sunflower2
07-07-16, 09:34
Aberdeen is more likely to be worried about the low oil price as jobs have gone left right and centre and mental health has deteriorated dramatically for a lot of people. Many people have gone from fancy cars and huge houses to nothing and relying on food banks. Our health board has been advising doctors to ask about jobs and depression it has got so bad. All we need is stability up here. :shrug:
Is Aberdeen a big oil production area?
Sunflower2
07-07-16, 10:42
Yeah it is known as the 'oil capital of Europe' with all the North Sea oil and gas coming here before being transported south. In its best days the employment is very low and I think we actually have the highest rate of millionaires per mile outside of London. But, as it is a volatile industry it also dips very low as well as very high. When you go into the city it's not uncommon to see super cars driving around and every other car is an Audi or bmw. But with money comes greed and people here become complacent about their lifestyle. When it all disappears it's quite a shock as people don't expect to lose everything.
[/COLOR]Hi Terry,
Regardless of your opinions of the editorial, it was a nationally representative survey.
As for the slights on Dr Cox and bcalm, who has dedicated his life to helping panic sufferers, bcalm is an international team.
As for "the busted for selling", I was contributing to the discussion with some articles published online. That's hardly a sales pitch - wouldn't you agree?
And what is your research on the directors of ARTIOS proving exactly?
All that article says is:
Worrying times
Aberdeen is most worried about Scotland leaving the UK, Plymouth fears rising living costs and Liverpool is gripped by “uncertainty around Article 50”. All this is according to a survey for bcalm, a remedy for panic attacks. Perhaps it could treat the markets?
Dreadful journalism. It doesn't even qualify as journalism.
From the study:
Uncertainty around whether Article 50 will be triggered (8%)
AND
Liverpool Uncertainty around whether Article 50 will be triggered
So, that tells us 8% of the whole country are worried over Article 50 and whether it will be triggered. Somewhere inside that we have Liverpool who must be a majority or why bother making it their highlight? What % are Liverpool? What % are the rest? Is 8% even a big deal? Where is the other 92%?
Aberdeen would have been worrying about Scotland leaving in the Scottish referendum surely?
Plymouth isn't the only one worrying about rising living costs so why single them out? That makes no sense since it reduces impact. :shrug::doh:
But here is the most telling thing of all...the website is selling an inhaler to stop panic attacks developing...so he really wants us all to click on that link so he can earn some money off peoples misery.
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You are busted for selling, Andreas, so I don't think I shall be worrying about negatively reviewing your dubious "survey".
Some key issues with your survey:
- you claim this is a nationally representative study but the study is of 2,000 anxiety & panic disorder sufferers. This means it CAN'T be representative of anything other than existing anxiety & panic disorder sufferers.
- you claim 45% of Britons are experiencing increased levels of anxiety post Brexit vote. Anxiety us bound to be an emotion experienced with any large event, just look at Christmas, holidays, moving house, having kids, the list goes on. But the fatal error is in taking 2,000 sensitive individuals and attempting to apply them across a large demographic who don't have the same issues. Feeling some anxiety is normal, feeling afraid is a whole other story and typical of the kind of errors made by the ignorant...we aren't just "a bit worried" you know.
- you broke it down into 23 cities. That's 86-87 people per city. How you think you can then apply that to a city with millions in is ludicrous. The smaller the sample, the greater the bias and the lesser the variation. Doing things so small produces meaningless garbage data.
- you make no attempt to explain the study which is an instant red flag. We have no idea of the severity of the anxiety of these people, whether they are even diagnosed, the variations in their anxiety and whether such events even affect them in the first place. This all causes your data to become "dirty". No one can have any faith in a study that doesn't declare itself.
- you have a commercial interest in this area. You have commissioned a study and not declared you interest from what I can see. This makes any study dubious without understand who these so-called dr's are and their connection, or lack of, to your company.
- you have a "how has it impacted existing sufferers?" section where you breakdown 53% into 31% & 22%. 1% missing there somewhere. But since you claim 45% are experiencing increased anxiety, why is it now 53% when they are all from the 2,000 anxiety & panic disorder sufferers survey?
You've come on here as a standard member, but your user name clearly shows you to be a seller at this point. So, you are spamming forums to drum up business and using this survey to influence vulnerable people into buying your product. Well done, you've jumped on the Brexit band wagon to make yourself some case. That's just despicable.
Somehow I doubt Admin will be linking to a dubious study being used to generate sales for your company. :doh:
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:doh:
Dr Stephen Cox
Dr Stephen Cox, inventor of bcalm, is a board–certified psychiatrist who has specialised in anxiety disorder for more than thirty years. He founded the non–profit medical health education organization...
So, he did his own study (co study) on his own product. :roflmao: Oh, and since he's based in Lexington, USA, it's very interesting that he has any interest in the UK...:whistles:
Seller busted.
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Oh, and your company is called Alchemy V LTD of which there is 1 director called Andreas Voniatis. A previous director, Petra Jakubekova, bares a striking resemblance in name to a Petra Jakubek shown as the registrant name of your website.
What a despicable bunch you guys are. Trying to scare people. And I'll put money on this study being a fake too.
Yeah it is known as the 'oil capital of Europe' with all the North in the last year or so.ea oil and gas coming here before being transported south. In its best days the employment is very low and I think we actually have the highest rate of millionaires per mile outside of London. But, as it is a volatile industry it also dips very low as well as very high. When you go into the city it's not uncommon to see super cars driving around and every other car is an Audi or bmw. But with money comes greed and people here become complacent about their lifestyle. When it all disappears it's quite a shock as people don't expect to lose everything.
I'm not sure what has happened to oil prices there but here they have decreased dramatically in the last year or so. Though Iit does effect that buisness somewhat on the whole low oil prices are great for the economy.
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MyNameIsTerry
07-07-16, 12:47
[/COLOR]Hi Terry,
Regardless of your opinions of the editorial, it was a nationally representative survey.
As for the slights on Dr Cox and bcalm, who has dedicated his life to helping panic sufferers, bcalm is an international team.
As for "the busted for selling", I was contributing to the discussion with some articles published online. That's hardly a sales pitch - wouldn't you agree?
And what is your research on the directors of ARTIOS proving exactly?
Forum rules:
Advertising, spamming and trolling is not allowed and includes using the forum email and Private message system to spam other members.
You cannot post any affiliate or referral links, or post anything asking for a referral. Such posts will be subject to removal
Your first contribution was a link to your own website where your product could be purchased. That's not discussion, that's advertising.
I think it's relevant that we link your name to a director record as it proves your financial connection and that you are not a member of the public signing up to discuss your anxiety or panic issues, which is what this forum is for NOT for companies to pitch their products.
I have no interest in your drs pedigree, the study is poor and is being used in an attempt to convince people to purchase the product.
Your view of what is nationally representative is obviously different to mine. The fact you apply it to the whole of the UK is just laughable. Brexit won't be causing mass hysteria with a sudden surge in panic attacks creating a demand for your product.
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That's what Terry does best :winks:
I think he would make a great 'James Bond' :D
You wouldn't want to see me emerging from the sea in my trunks! :D
I'm more like Grimsby, the new Sacha Baron Cohen character. :roflmao:
Frankly, and even as a GAD sufferer myself, this is one anxety that I just don't get.
What is done is done. Preempting what will or won't happen is a fruitless exercise. People are getting in a ridiculous tizz about stuff that THE MEDIA is telling them might happen, and the truth of it actually is NOBODY KNOWS, but my guess is that this is all being blown way out of proportion.
Is the world going to turn it's back on us? Umm no.
Are we now the lepers of Europe? Umm no.
Is the country going to disappear into oblivion? Umm no.
None of us can do much now. The majority made their choice. That is democracy, and frankly we need to just suck it up IMO.
Most of these people fanning the flames of panic have a vested interest, as they wanted to stay in the EU, mostly to feather their own financial nests, and concern that their businesses would go down the toilet, so it is a classic case of sour grapes......Oh dear....diddums.
I wouldn't believe one word of this scaremongering, or waste my excess levels of anxiety on it either!
P.S - Has everyone suddenly forgotten that we were a perfectly well functioning and inclusively trading country before the Common Market came about in 1974???
Well said, Debs! Our enemies must be laughing their heads off at all the internal wrangling/hissy fits. There are far more important issues to worry about which hopefully will not be compromised due to all this Brexit nonsense
Frankly, and even as a GAD sufferer myself, this is one anxety that I just don't get.
What is done is done. Preempting what will or won't happen is a fruitless exercise. People are getting in a ridiculous tizz about stuff that THE MEDIA is telling them might happen, and the truth of it actually is NOBODY KNOWS, but my guess is that this is all being blown way out of proportion.
Is the world going to turn it's back on us? Umm no.
Are we now the lepers of Europe? Umm no.
Is the country going to disappear into oblivion? Umm no.
None of us can do much now. The majority made their choice. That is democracy, and frankly we need to just suck it up IMO.
Most of these people fanning the flames of panic have a vested interest, as they wanted to stay in the EU, mostly to feather their own financial nests, and concern that their businesses would go down the toilet, so it is a classic case of sour grapes......Oh dear....diddums.
I wouldn't believe one word of this scaremongering, or waste my excess levels of anxiety on it either!
P.S - Has everyone suddenly forgotten that we were a perfectly well functioning and inclusively trading country before the Common Market came about in 1974???
Thanks Deb for a very refreshing voice of reason!
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Thank you for the kind feedback, pulisa and Noivous. x:hugs:
All of this Brexit hysteria really does my head in.:doh:
MyNameIsTerry
07-07-16, 14:08
Thank you for the kind feedback, pulisa and Noivous. x:hugs:
All of this Brexit hysteria really does my head in.:doh:
'Brexit turned me blonde' go on Debs, you'd be famous. Big Brother or I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here? :D
It is daft. Really the daily anxiety we all go through is far worse, obviously accepting that some anxiety sufferers are being triggered by it all which will always happen.
The majority of the trouble stems from the most recent incarnation being the EU. Given the voting, I think some of the older generation have a good point how younger people are panicking because they know nothing else.
I see no evidence of trolling and abuse, other than the responses to my contribution provided by you.
I already read the the rules and abided by them. I even had the courtesy to inform Admin of my forum post.
If you read the first link posted, it was not to a commercial page but to a page showing the original research conducted by a media research agency coordinated by bcalm. That is discussion and a bibliographical reference not advertising.
So it would appear your reasons for displaying public information about me means nothing and is totally irrelevant as no sales pitch actually took place. I must point out and declare I have no shares in bcalm and I'm not a director in that company either.
As for the research itself, it is most nationally representative survey conducted to date on Brexit and Anxiety. The study is also Marketing Research Society compliant which means the findings are statistically robust and the survey was conducted ethically.
Have you considered conducting proper research before posting your response?
At least the founders and directors have invested substantial amounts of resources to design, engineer and test a medically proven solution to panic attacks. They also proved the efficacy of bcalm to the Medical and Health Regulatory Agency to get approval.
I'm sure you'll no doubt appreciate bcalm's efforts and the resources they've undertaken to provide a practical solution to the problem of panic.
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Advertising, spamming and trolling is not allowed and includes using the forum email and Private message system to spam other members.
You cannot post any affiliate or referral links, or post anything asking for a referral. Such posts will be subject to removal
Your first contribution was a link to your own website where your product could be purchased. That's not discussion, that's advertising.
I think it's relevant that we link your name to a director record as it proves your financial connection and that you are not a member of the public signing up to discuss your anxiety or panic issues, which is what this forum is for NOT for companies to pitch their products.
I have no interest in your drs pedigree, the study is poor and is being used in an attempt to convince people to purchase the product.
Your view of what is nationally representative is obviously different to mine. The fact you apply it to the whole of the UK is just laughable. Brexit won't be causing mass hysteria with a sudden surge in panic attacks creating a demand for your product.
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You wouldn't want to see me emerging from the sea in my trunks! :D
I'm more like Grimsby, the new Sacha Baron Cohen character. :roflmao:
MyNameIsTerry
07-07-16, 15:52
:roflmao:
Funny the same name as the director of the company that website is registered to, isn't it?
That makes it advertising. It doesn't matter what page you link it to, the buy now is clearly on that page with every other way to access it. It's not to the research, it's on your own website.
I look forward to Admin explaining why they are constantly banning people who do the same as you, one of which I reported this morning who has also been banned today swiftly. If Admin believe you are different then I request they take a look at all similar companies & individuals just like you that I have reported, whom have been banned, and look forward to their explanation as to why you are different.
Nice try spammer. :doh: Typical spam action trying to turn it around. You've been outed, time to move on to the next forum...
I don't see where the humour is. You're clutching at straws my dear chap because a website registration again proves nothing. If I had something to hide, do you not think I would take the extra step of hiding the registration details? As I declared earlier I'm not a director or a shareholder of the company.
The content linked to is a discussion piece whether you choose to accept it or not.
If anything, Admin should consider banning you as you seem quite keen at throwing mud, criticising and making empty threats to others without any foundation of truth to what you're posting. This is known as bullying (which isn't working by the way although nice try) and being abusive, both of which are against the forum rules.
The only person who's been out-ted is you. Perhaps it's time for you to move on as you're clearly bitter that a new member has arrived with alternative resources (acknowledged by the UK National Press by the way) to contribute to the discussion. And you simply dislike the fact that they happen to have a solution, which happens to be different to your views of how panic can be overcome.
:roflmao:
Funny the same name as the director of the company that website is registered to, isn't it?
That makes it advertising. It doesn't matter what page you link it to, the buy now is clearly on that page with every other way to access it.
I look forward to Admin explaining why they are constantly banning people who do the same as you, one of which I reported this morning who has also been banned today swiftly. If Admin believe you go different then I request they take a look at all similar companies & individuals just like you that I have reported, whom have been banned, and look forward to their explanation as to why you are different.
Nice try spammer. :doh: Typical spam action trying to turn it around. You've been outed, time to move on to the next forum...
The company has shareholders?!
Don't all companies?
The company has shareholders?!
MyNameIsTerry
07-07-16, 16:14
That's very funny, Andreas. Actually it wasn't a website registration, it was Companies House. Where an Andreas is quite clearly shown as the current director of the company of the same name where the registrant of your website is also shown as a previous director. Your incompetence at hiding your status is merely a lesson for you in the future, I guess.
The national press? One section on a largely blank page? Not too far away from posting a paid for classified ad really.
Must try harder, Andreas.
I look forward to discussing my ban with Admin then. :yesyes::noangel: Call the bullying card all you wish, I would rather be that than someone misleading vulnerable people into buying anxiety & panic treatments. I think you will find sufferers have a very low opinion of those who do that for a living.
In most countries, by law, companies must have at least one shareholder and one director. There used to be a requirement for a separate person to be appointed as the company secretary but this has changed in recent years.
No
'Brexit turned me blonde' go on Debs, you'd be famous. Big Brother or I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here? :D
It is daft. Really the daily anxiety we all go through is far worse, obviously accepting that some anxiety sufferers are being triggered by it all which will always happen.
The majority of the trouble stems from the most recent incarnation being the EU. Given the voting, I think some of the older generation have a good point how younger people are panicking because they know nothing else.
The blonde looks fab! ...fab is good, right?:D
MyNameIsTerry
07-07-16, 16:19
The blonde looks fab! ...fab is good, right?:D
It certainly is. And it does look fab! :yesyes:
I must say I find your sense of humour quote odd. bcalm is not owned by Alchemy V Ltd, so why you keep pursuing this line of thought and then making accusations online, without fact checking is beyond me.
And thank you for branding me as incompetent - especially as I have deliberately chosen not to make the registration details of the bcalm domain private. I really don't think your comments are doing you much service. I'm sure Admin (and others) will read the history of this thread and see that the only forum rule breaking posts are coming from you. You obviously think that you're above the forum rules and that the Admin will make an exception for your online behaviour.
If you check the bcalm.co website, you'll see bcalm has been featured numerous times in the UK press including The Guardian, and they are feature length pieces.
And to write what I'm saying is misleading is quite a serious and untrue allegation, especially given that the content mentioned was purely discussion.
I think it quite's obvious it is you who must try harder. Or better still, you could stop bullying (rather unsuccessfully I might add) because you're proving nothing.
That's very funny, Andreas. Actually it wasn't a website registration, it was Companies House. Where an Andreas is quite clearly shown as the current director of the company of the same name where the registrant of your website is also shown as a previous director. Your incompetence at hiding your status is merely a lesson for you in the future, I guess.
The national press? One section on a largely blank page? Not too far away from posting a paid for classified ad really.
Must try harder, Andreas.
I look forward to discussing my ban with Admin then. :yesyes::noangel: Call the bullying card all you wish, I would rather be that than someone misleading vulnerable people into buying anxiety & panic treatments. I think you will find sufferers have a very low opinion of those who do that for a living.
MyNameIsTerry
07-07-16, 16:29
Companies House says otherwise. Perhaps they are lieing? :winks:
There goes the fake bullying accusations again. It's truly pathetic. People who have actually been bullied must see playing this card so easily and be appalled.
You've just jumped on another thread to try to get the OP to buy bcalm. Doesn't that disprove your Brexit concern? Can we look forward to you invading every thread to promote it? Seems like advertising to me. :whistles:
I think the coincidences will add up to people.
Oh and by the way, I've been here a while so I think I have a better idea of people's opinions of me (I hope :D) than some guy who had just signed up...and who is busy trying to get flog bcalm to us all.
Nothing fake about my thoughts on you bullying, you're providing all the evidence. Oh yes, now start calling me pathetic (even more evidence). Do you think such rude behaviour increases your self respect? Is that allowed in the forum rules?
The only thing Companies House is saying is that I am a director and Shareholder of Alchemy V Ltd. So no, Companies House are not telling lies, why you'd think that I don't know.
To reiterate, Alchemy V Ltd does not own the bcalm organisation or it's products or intellectual property. Nor does it licence it.
As for the other thread, there was link to an article on discontinuing Xanax and to bcalm which is a drug free alternative. It was highly relevant too and happens to be true.
I don't think you're attempted trolling and bullying will excuse your behaviour. If anything, your conduct may change peoples opinions of you, in a more detrimental manner.
Companies House says otherwise. Perhaps they are lieing? :winks:
There goes the fake bullying accusations again. It's truly pathetic. People who have actually been bullied must see playing this card so easily and be appalled.
You've just jumped on another thread to try to get the OP to buy bcalm. Doesn't that disprove your Brexit concern? Can we look forward to you invading every thread to promote it? Seems like advertising to me. :whistles:
I think the coincidences will add up to people.
Oh and by the way, I've been here a while so I think I have a better idea of people's opinions of me (I hope :D) than some guy who had just signed up...and who is busy trying to get flog bcalm to us all.
In most countries, by law, companies must have at least one shareholder and one director. There used to be a requirement for a separate person to be appointed as the company secretary but this has changed in recent years.
Not the one I own. How many shareholders does your company have?
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almamatters
07-07-16, 17:54
Frankly, and even as a GAD sufferer myself, this is one anxety that I just don't get.
What is done is done. Preempting what will or won't happen is a fruitless exercise. People are getting in a ridiculous tizz about stuff that THE MEDIA is telling them might happen, and the truth of it actually is NOBODY KNOWS, but my guess is that this is all being blown way out of proportion.
Is the world going to turn it's back on us? Umm no.
Are we now the lepers of Europe? Umm no.
Is the country going to disappear into oblivion? Umm no.
None of us can do much now. The majority made their choice. That is democracy, and frankly we need to just suck it up IMO.
Most of these people fanning the flames of panic have a vested interest, as they wanted to stay in the EU, mostly to feather their own financial nests, and concern that their businesses would go down the toilet, so it is a classic case of sour grapes......Oh dear....diddums.
I wouldn't believe one word of this scaremongering, or waste my excess levels of anxiety on it either!
P.S - Has everyone suddenly forgotten that we were a perfectly well functioning and inclusively trading country before the Common Market came about in 1974???
I would like to agree with your post Debs, the media seem to enjoy making us think the world is going to end tomorrow because of this decision. I worry about everything, i have GAD and HA but Im not concerned about brexit and i voted to remain!!
'Brexit turned me blonde' go on Debs, you'd be famous. Big Brother or I'm A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here? :D
:roflmao: love that Terry.
Or maybe 'Brexit made me buy grapes instead of bananas in Tesco'
Or even 'Brexit is the father of my love child'......I think that's defo one for 'The Sun' :D
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I would like to agree with your post Debs, the media seem to enjoy making us think the world is going to end tomorrow because of this decision. I worry about everything, i have GAD and HA but Im not concerned about brexit and i voted to remain!!
Thanks very much, alma. :flowers: xx
almamatters
07-07-16, 18:36
Love your hair Debs, really suits you :) x
Yes it really does, Debs xx
As regards Brexit I now have to admit that I have a signed copy of BoJo's latest literary tome. I saw he was signing copies in Hatchards (next to Fortnum and Mason's yah) and decided I would queue up to get my book signed but.....there was no queue despite numerous minders. He was everything I imagined he would be like. I'm sure there would be a bigger turnout today......
Thank you so much alma and pulisa.xxx:hugs:
To be honest it was a bit of a shock to the system, and I haven't been sure about it myself after a lifetime of being dark, but it is so much better to hide the dreaded grey, lol. xxx:D
Grey! I don't believe it for a minute!:lac:
Nothing fake about my thoughts on you bullying, you're providing all the evidence. Oh yes, now start calling me pathetic (even more evidence). Do you think such rude behaviour increases your self respect? Is that allowed in the forum rules?
Note I have highlighted 'thoughts' bcalm.
From what I detect, you are trying to make more of thing of this and disrespect a longstanding member of this forum who is an absolute asset on here and his regarded as a genuine friend to many members.
If you don't want to draw attention to yourself, then don't use the same name as 'The Company'. We get a lot of spammers on here preying on vulnerable members.
I for one do not take too kindly to a new member trying to threaten my friend and a longstanding member who many members depend on for good free advice and support, who takes the time to protect us from spammers.
Most new members tend to tread lightly, obviously this is not the case with you.
But, no doubt you will want to attack me as well bcalm?
That's ok, my mum is dying, so whatever you say or do will not compare to that. :mad:
And I have been bullied, so I know what it is like, thank you.
Debs, I think your hair is great too. :)
Note I have highlighted 'thoughts' bcalm.
From what I detect, you are trying to make more of thing of this and disrespect a longstanding member of this forum who is an absolute asset on here and his regarded as a genuine friend to many members.
If you don't want to draw attention to yourself, then don't use the same name as 'The Company'. We get a lot of spammers on here preying on vulnerable members.
I for one do not take too kindly to a new member trying to threaten my friend and a longstanding member who many members depend on for good free advice and support, who takes the time to protect us from spammers.
Most new members tend to tread lightly, obviously this is not the case with you.
But, no doubt you will want to attack me as well bcalm?
That's ok, my mum is dying, so whatever you say or do will not compare to that. :mad:
And I have been bullied, so I know what it is like, thank you.
Debs, I think your hair is great too. :)
HERE HERE! I believe that is the British phrase.
MyNameIsTerry
08-07-16, 07:10
Nothing fake about my thoughts on you bullying, you're providing all the evidence. Oh yes, now start calling me pathetic (even more evidence). Do you think such rude behaviour increases your self respect? Is that allowed in the forum rules?
The only thing Companies House is saying is that I am a director and Shareholder of Alchemy V Ltd. So no, Companies House are not telling lies, why you'd think that I don't know.
To reiterate, Alchemy V Ltd does not own the bcalm organisation or it's products or intellectual property. Nor does it licence it.
As for the other thread, there was link to an article on discontinuing Xanax and to bcalm which is a drug free alternative. It was highly relevant too and happens to be true.
I don't think you're attempted trolling and bullying will excuse your behaviour. If anything, your conduct may change peoples opinions of you, in a more detrimental manner.
Actually I said that you calling this bullying was pathetic, not that you are pathetic. What I actually called you was despicable, which you find in the first response. Keep up.
I know Companies House aren't lying, it's called sarcasm.
I am not interested in the Bcalm product at all, so I don't care about the speech about the inventor and his pedigree. I also don't care about your assumptions that I'm jealous you have a product that works that I don't agree because I haven't even looked at the product, so why would I care? That's just more self pity from your end, professional victim as you continue to portray yourself, me being the nasty man bullying the precious snowflake.
Anyway, lets all consider the evidence:
- You are a current director of Alchemy V Ltd. Notice I said this, not the Artios you mentioned earlier? And yes, I can see your Artios company doing the optomisation work for the Bcalm website which is clearly shown on your own Artios website. (https://artios.io/bcalm2/ & https://artios.io/bcalm/) IT's nice to put a name face to the name too (https://artios.io/about-us/) Cool title as well, "Growth Hacker"
Andreas Voniatis: Growth Hacker Data Scientist
Andreas
Andreas founded Artios in 2013 after realising that most digital agencies couldn’t keep up with the pace of technological change and were failing their clients as a result. He founded Artios with the express intention of applying maths to digital marketing to deliver measurable, sustainable and future-proof results to clients.
Andreas is an experienced digital marketing professional who’s provided consultancy services including data science, SEO, online PR, to such clients as Exxon Mobil, Tesco, HSBC, Zurich, Quorn as well as startups including Discount Vouchers. His work has been featured in the Telegraph and Search Engine Watch, particularly for reverse engineering the Google Penguin algorithm to a 98% statistical confidence level in 2013. Andreas is a data scientist, a qualified management accountant (ACMA) and holds a degree in Economics with honours from Leeds University.
- The Bcalm website is registered to Alchemy V Ltd. The registrant is Petra Jakubek. (https://whois.domaintools.com/bcalm.co)
- Alchemy V Ltd shows you as long term direct BUT also shows a Petra Jakubekova (https://companycheck.co.uk/company/06161561/ALCHEMY-V-LTD/directors-secretaries).
So, we have a guy who is a director of a company that is paying the bills for a website called Bcalm. That is you and your company, she was a short term director who has now resigned.
But you have no connection to Bcalm? Even with the SEO work?
Then we have you here signing up with the name Bcalm, the name of the product you say you have nothing to do with, as Carnation pointed out.
So, are we to believe that your company is paying the bills for the website they have nothing to do with and that here you, such an important person, spending time posting on a mental health forum (which is for sufferers, not companies) for a product you have no connection to?
And you asked me earlier what I thought was funny? Your inability to present yourself without being found out as having a potentially commercial link with Google and 5 minutes was why I mentioned incompetence. It's really quite amateur because we get spammers on here with no pedigree who do a better job of covering their tracks. Hence the - must try harder remark.
No one will be surprised to see my responses to you, I've been doing it ever since I joined. It's nothing new to advertisers and market affiliates that pass through often. I tend to just report spammers for deletion but I like a laugh & a joke at the expense of some e.g. those selling us illegal drugs, fake passports, the odd bag of fertiliser, etc. So, I thought it would be interesting to see how this spammer responds.
I am treating you harshly. Why? Because you are attempted to pull vulnerable & desperate people from a forum that is not meant for you to advertise on. You treat us with no respect, so you can't complain when you aren't getting it back. Trust us very important, you failed that one miserably early on.
I am happy to believe the Dr who created this product, and who is most likely licencing it to distributors (whoever they may be), is unaware of the activity conducted in his name. It is misleading to suggest the Dr coordinated the study, in my opinion, I would be surprised if he knew anything about it given the close nature of your company to this website. And to be honest, I fail to understand how someone with his background would be needed to interpret simple data such as this which anyone without any mental health training could just as easily interpret...perhaps you as a data scientist & management accountant? I would expect so since I've worked with many people like you over the years and seen the data they produce in their auditing reports. It would be a total waste to commit any medical professional to something so obviously basic.
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If you read the first link posted, it was not to a commercial page but to a page showing the original research conducted by a media research agency coordinated by bcalm. That is discussion and a bibliographical reference not advertising.
Completely incorrect, your link goes here https://bcalm.co/brexiety-disorder-anxiety-levels-across-the-uk-have-spiked-massively-since-the-referendum/
To access that without the link, all one has to do is click on the Blog tab at the bottom on any page of the Bcalm website. At the top right we can clearly see the BUY BCALM part.
That's advertising. Dress it up any way you wish but in two threads your first contribution has been to try to get members to go to that commercial website, the one your company is paying for. :whistles:
It's advertising. Buy my product.
Do you really give people so little credit?
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And I think it would be interesting to understand this little gem:
The science behind bcalm suggest that:
•panic attacks are directly caused by external factors like CO2 rather than psychosocial ones
So, we don't have panic attacks because of an event at all. So, why is Brexit relevant in the slightest? It can't be, or are you suggesting that our voting has changed the air around us?
---------- Post added at 07:00 ---------- Previous post was at 06:53 ----------
Note I have highlighted 'thoughts' bcalm.
From what I detect, you are trying to make more of thing of this and disrespect a longstanding member of this forum who is an absolute asset on here and his regarded as a genuine friend to many members.
If you don't want to draw attention to yourself, then don't use the same name as 'The Company'. We get a lot of spammers on here preying on vulnerable members.
I for one do not take too kindly to a new member trying to threaten my friend and a longstanding member who many members depend on for good free advice and support, who takes the time to protect us from spammers.
Most new members tend to tread lightly, obviously this is not the case with you.
But, no doubt you will want to attack me as well bcalm?
That's ok, my mum is dying, so whatever you say or do will not compare to that. :mad:
And I have been bullied, so I know what it is like, thank you.
Debs, I think your hair is great too. :)
Thank you for you kind words of support, Carnation. :flowers::hugs:
The guy is covered in red flags. Having an online presence can bite you in backside when you aren't careful enough in hiding your commercial involvement when you try to pose as any other member. None of it is original to me, I've seen tons of sites like them and blogs. Doctors can be involved (remember Oscar Pistorius? :winks:), national press will jump on anything as charities know from having to sort out the mess they promote now we have so many bloggers for the media.
I regard these people no different than a sales agent joining a self help group to start handing out flyers...to then be ejected by the coordinators. It's like hanging out in a doctors reception room or outside the doors of a psychiatric unit.
We can't really expect them to have any shame, it's just bucks to them. Given the company profile, I doubt it matters what they are flogging as long as the cash is coming in. So, we won't be finding much in the way of commitment.
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As for the other thread, there was link to an article on discontinuing Xanax and to bcalm which is a drug free alternative. It was highly relevant too and happens to be true.
Medically proven...not according to the inventor:
Two clinical trials have been done that show benefit of clinical panic disorder pathology with prototypes of the bcalm device, one in the US and one in Finland. The Finnish study was not published due to imperfect (partially active) placebos but the trend was useful nonetheless. bcalm is not FDA approved for any disorder. However, the two doctors who were awarded the patent for the device relate that the FDA looked it over and gave it their safest safety rating for medical devices and stated at a face to face meeting with the inventors that if just one more study of 100 panic disorder patients was completed and showed any improvement at all that they would approve it.
So, shall we call that lying or the politically correct version "misleading"? :winks:
What is this evidence exactly?
I am not a director or a shareholder of bcalm, and I have gone on public record saying so (quite a few times). A website that my company registered on their behalf proves nothing.
Your posts have done nothing other than attack me, bcalm and the life's work of qualified and experienced people dedicated to treating panic.
To even call me despicable when you know nothing about me, or the work of the bcalm team - doesn't exactly defend your claim of not being a bully.
I don't care that you don't wish to try the product, we're all free to make our own choices.
Deal with it and have the self respect to move on as you clearly have nothing better to do than attack others without any good reason.
But if you think I'm going to just take your abusive, rude and bullying behaviour without standing up to you then think again.
Nobody deserves that treatment, it is unacceptable. And bullies need to be stood up to.
And by the way Google defines bullying as:
"use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants."
I think that definition describes your behaviour towards me rather well especially when you're trying to use your status as a longstanding forum member. Seriously?
Actually I said that you calling this bullying was pathetic, not that you are pathetic. What I actually called you was despicable, which you find in the first response. Keep up.
I know Companies House aren't lying, it's called sarcasm.
I am not interested in the Bcalm product at all, so I don't care about the speech about the inventor and his pedigree. I also don't care about your assumptions that I'm jealous you have a product that works that I don't agree because I haven't even looked at the product, so why would I care? That's just more self pity from your end, professional victim as you continue to portray yourself, me being the nasty man bullying the precious snowflake.
Anyway, lets all consider the evidence:
- You are a current director of Alchemy V Ltd. Notice I said this, not the Artios you mentioned earlier? And yes, I can see your Artios company doing the optomisation work for the Bcalm website which is clearly shown on your own Artios website. (https://artios.io/bcalm2/ & https://artios.io/bcalm/) IT's nice to put a name face to the name too (https://artios.io/about-us/) Cool title as well, "Growth Hacker"
Andreas Voniatis: Growth Hacker Data Scientist
Andreas
Andreas founded Artios in 2013 after realising that most digital agencies couldn’t keep up with the pace of technological change and were failing their clients as a result. He founded Artios with the express intention of applying maths to digital marketing to deliver measurable, sustainable and future-proof results to clients.
Andreas is an experienced digital marketing professional who’s provided consultancy services including data science, SEO, online PR, to such clients as Exxon Mobil, Tesco, HSBC, Zurich, Quorn as well as startups including Discount Vouchers. His work has been featured in the Telegraph and Search Engine Watch, particularly for reverse engineering the Google Penguin algorithm to a 98% statistical confidence level in 2013. Andreas is a data scientist, a qualified management accountant (ACMA) and holds a degree in Economics with honours from Leeds University.
- The Bcalm website is registered to Alchemy V Ltd. The registrant is Petra Jakubek. (https://whois.domaintools.com/bcalm.co)
- Alchemy V Ltd shows you as long term direct BUT also shows a Petra Jakubekova (https://companycheck.co.uk/company/06161561/ALCHEMY-V-LTD/directors-secretaries).
So, we have a guy who is a director of a company that is paying the bills for a website called Bcalm. That is you and your company, she was a short term director who has now resigned.
But you have no connection to Bcalm? Even with the SEO work?
Then we have you here signing up with the name Bcalm, the name of the product you say you have nothing to do with, as Carnation pointed out.
So, are we to believe that your company is paying the bills for the website they have nothing to do with and that here you, such an important person, spending time posting on a mental health forum (which is for sufferers, not companies) for a product you have no connection to?
And you asked me earlier what I thought was funny? Your inability to present yourself without being found out as having a potentially commercial link with Google and 5 minutes was why I mentioned incompetence. It's really quite amateur because we get spammers on here with no pedigree who do a better job of covering their tracks. Hence the - must try harder remark.
No one will be surprised to see my responses to you, I've been doing it ever since I joined. It's nothing new to advertisers and market affiliates that pass through often. I tend to just report spammers for deletion but I like a laugh & a joke at the expense of some e.g. those selling us illegal drugs, fake passports, the odd bag of fertiliser, etc. So, I thought it would be interesting to see how this spammer responds.
I am treating you harshly. Why? Because you are attempted to pull vulnerable & desperate people from a forum that is not meant for you to advertise on. You treat us with no respect, so you can't complain when you aren't getting it back. Trust us very important, you failed that one miserably early on.
I am happy to believe the Dr who created this product, and who is most likely licencing it to distributors (whoever they may be), is unaware of the activity conducted in his name. It is misleading to suggest the Dr coordinated the study, in my opinion, I would be surprised if he knew anything about it given the close nature of your company to this website. And to be honest, I fail to understand how someone with his background would be needed to interpret simple data such as this which anyone without any mental health training could just as easily interpret...perhaps you as a data scientist & management accountant? I would expect so since I've worked with many people like you over the years and seen the data they produce in their auditing reports. It would be a total waste to commit any medical professional to something so obviously basic.
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Completely incorrect, your link goes here https://bcalm.co/brexiety-disorder-anxiety-levels-across-the-uk-have-spiked-massively-since-the-referendum/
To access that without the link, all one has to do is click on the Blog tab at the bottom on any page of the Bcalm website. At the top right we can clearly see the BUY BCALM part.
That's advertising. Dress it up any way you wish but in two threads your first contribution has been to try to get members to go to that commercial website, the one your company is paying for. :whistles:
It's advertising. Buy my product.
Do you really give people so little credit?
---------- Post added at 06:53 ---------- Previous post was at 06:49 ----------
And I think it would be interesting to understand this little gem:
The science behind bcalm suggest that:
•panic attacks are directly caused by external factors like CO2 rather than psychosocial ones
So, we don't have panic attacks because of an event at all. So, why is Brexit relevant in the slightest? It can't be, or are you suggesting that our voting has changed the air around us?
---------- Post added at 07:00 ---------- Previous post was at 06:53 ----------
Thank you for you kind words of support, Carnation. :flowers::hugs:
The guy is covered in red flags. Having an online presence can bite you in backside when you aren't careful enough in hiding your commercial involvement when you try to pose as any other member. None of it is original to me, I've seen tons of sites like them and blogs. Doctors can be involved (remember Oscar Pistorius? :winks:), national press will jump on anything as charities know from having to sort out the mess they promote now we have so many bloggers for the media.
I regard these people no different than a sales agent joining a self help group to start handing out flyers...to then be ejected by the coordinators. It's like hanging out in a doctors reception room or outside the doors of a psychiatric unit.
We can't really expect them to have any shame, it's just bucks to them. Given the company profile, I doubt it matters what they are flogging as long as the cash is coming in. So, we won't be finding much in the way of commitment.
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Medically proven...not according to the inventor:
Two clinical trials have been done that show benefit of clinical panic disorder pathology with prototypes of the bcalm device, one in the US and one in Finland. The Finnish study was not published due to imperfect (partially active) placebos but the trend was useful nonetheless. bcalm is not FDA approved for any disorder. However, the two doctors who were awarded the patent for the device relate that the FDA looked it over and gave it their safest safety rating for medical devices and stated at a face to face meeting with the inventors that if just one more study of 100 panic disorder patients was completed and showed any improvement at all that they would approve it.
So, shall we call that lying or the politically correct version "misleading"? :winks:
Grey! I don't believe it for a minute!:lac:
Oh yes indeed N...:weep:
I started going grey at 19.....it is a horrible family trait!:wacko:
Thanks all for the lovely comments. :flowers:
MyNameIsTerry
08-07-16, 11:18
:roflmao:
It's good trolling, isn't it? He just won't let it go and move on. He really must have nothing to do. Of course, all I do is attack you, it's not like I've done anything else around here at the same time, it's it? How very selective of you. A typical defence, same old same old.
More back peddling.
Keep flogging that dead horse. The only person damaging the reputation of the product is the person conducting themselves in this manner on a mental health forum and bleating they are being bullied. It's bizarre.
Oh yes indeed N...:weep:
I started going grey at 19.....it is a horrible family trait!:wacko:
Thanks all for the lovely comments. :flowers:
I THOUGHT YOU WERE 19?!!:huh:
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:roflmao:
It's good trolling, isn't it? He just won't let it go and move on. He really must have nothing to do. Of course, all I do is attack you, it's not like I've done anything else around here at the same time, it's it? How very selective of you. A typical defence, same old same old.
More back peddling.
Keep flogging that dead horse. The only person damaging the reputation of the product is the person conducting themselves in this manner on a mental health forum and bleating they are being bullied. It's bizarre.
What's the old line...when you're trying to get out of a hole the first thing you gotta do is stop digging. Maybe bcalm should heed that advice:D
Yes keep going Terry, everybody can see your veracity of your responses. Perhaps you should worry about your own reputation rather than mine.
:roflmao:
It's good trolling, isn't it? He just won't let it go and move on. He really must have nothing to do. Of course, all I do is attack you, it's not like I've done anything else around here at the same time, it's it? How very selective of you. A typical defence, same old same old.
More back peddling.
Keep flogging that dead horse. The only person damaging the reputation of the product is the person conducting themselves in this manner on a mental health forum and bleating they are being bullied. It's bizarre.
I think I'll take my chances with a brown paper bag-cheap (even if I have to pay for it) and cheerful (well, I can dream)
MyNameIsTerry
08-07-16, 22:51
I think I'll take my chances with a brown paper bag-cheap (even if I have to pay for it) and cheerful (well, I can dream)
Spot on, pulisa.
It will interesting to read about this product. Their argument seems to be that panic attacks are based on CO2 levels and whilst there could be some truth in that, I can think of the vast majority of people who talk about theirs panic attacks who poke holes in that argument since their environment has not changed. Some of what the inventor seemed to be saying was people escape to better air. True, but people have many panic attacks in that same good air even walking up to places... that's a sizeable issue in their research to me. But I haven't read it yet, just scanned some.
In therapy, wouldn't carrying around one of these be labelled a safety behaviour? I carry an asthma inhaler for a reason but I'm very dubious about their reasoning here.
MyNameIsTerry
09-07-16, 06:01
If you check the bcalm.co website, you'll see bcalm has been featured numerous times in the UK press including The Guardian, and they are feature length pieces.
In case anyone wants to see the article, which is literally an advertisement by a paper...something we see lots of online these days sadly:
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/mar/24/panic-attack-poll-swansea-most-panic-stricken-city
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/panic-attack-hotspots-in-the-uk-revealed-swansea-wolverhampton-cardiff-panic-disorder_uk_56f1326ee4b030d552efeed6
The comments section is good on The Guardian. Our poor Bcalm has been getting some "bullying" on there too. :winks: I see our friend is getting criticised about this blatant advertisement here too. Given the sensitive nature of the person, it was a good job he didn't wade into the issue with them...they don't hold back much usually. I notice several picked up on the bias due to the interest of the company in the results.
I'm not sure what my favourite comments were, maybe how the map was wrong or perhaps the ones saying people couldn't realise their CO had changed to 35% since they would have been dead at 5%. :whistles:
Did the doctor not spot that? That's a pity since it makes a mockery of it really. Or perhaps whilst the doctor is the founder, a certain somebody was responsible for the media element? Perhaps someone less on the ball? :winks:
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What is this evidence exactly?
I am not a director or a shareholder of bcalm, and I have gone on public record saying so (quite a few times). A website that my company registered on their behalf proves nothing.
Your posts have done nothing other than attack me, bcalm and the life's work of qualified and experienced people dedicated to treating panic.
To even call me despicable when you know nothing about me, or the work of the bcalm team - doesn't exactly defend your claim of not being a bully.
I don't care that you don't wish to try the product, we're all free to make our own choices.
Deal with it and have the self respect to move on as you clearly have nothing better to do than attack others without any good reason.
But if you think I'm going to just take your abusive, rude and bullying behaviour without standing up to you then think again.
Nobody deserves that treatment, it is unacceptable. And bullies need to be stood up to.
And by the way Google defines bullying as:
"use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants."
I think that definition describes your behaviour towards me rather well especially when you're trying to use your status as a longstanding forum member. Seriously?
Bcalm doesn't exist as a company in the UK. There is no mention on the site of who Bcalm actually are. No address, no contact details other than an email address and the names of the doctors involved in the patent (Dr Cox) and the two others including the one who has created the Bcalm inhaler.
So, who actually owns the company is a mystery. Who is it then? Because the only company I can actually see involved - is yours. You pay the bills on the website. Do you normally pay bills for other companies? Plus you have been doing the traffic work for them, another connection.
I have not attacked anyone. I haven't attacked the doctors or the product and as I've already stated - they are NOT the issue here on this website - YOU are the issue with your advertising, breaking the forum rules.
I called you guys despicable, it's my opinion, and I'm entitled too it just as you are entitled to your opinion that I am a bully. Or are you suggesting that only YOUR opinion counts in this world? I stand by calling YOU despicable but at the time I was working on the basis that this was a company acting but in reality it is probably just you since you are the director of Alchemy V Ltd.
YOU have joined a mental health forum to push a product for money. You have NOT joined to be part of this community, the help others and receive help yourself as ALL of US have. Your contribution has purely been to mislead people to the Bcalm website and that is even more obvious on the other thread where you have suggested it is an alternative for the OP to the meds tey are on when your device is aimed at panic attacks and NOT what the OP detailed in their thread.
Places like this should be safe for members to talk about complex and emotive subjects, they are NOT for companies to advertise their products unless the website owner, or Admin team, agree to the advertisement. Did you obtain permission to post your links to Bcalm? Of course not, you thought you would simply get away with it.
Would you stick your head into a group self help meeting to hand out flyers? I would hope not but who knows. You would be ejected. Consider places like this as larger versions of them and now ask yourself why you would think any of us would actually want your presence?
That's why I called you despicable and I stand firmly by it.
Your Google definition is a bit amateurish:
"use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants."
That definition would apply to any teacher telling a pupil to be quiet, any parent telling them to eat their greens or any boss telling someone to just get on with the work.
Using my status as a long term member against you? Where have I done that? Please point it out? Carnation mentioned this, not me. I have no need to mention it, that's you reaching for more ways to appear the victim. When I joined here I was giving someone far more known than Bcalm I good ripping and I was brand new. My attitude has never changed to people I consider spammers, market affiliates or advertisers. The same can be said to those I consider charlatans (note I am not stating you are or any of the doctors, companies, etc).
Seriously? What I find seriously embarrassing is a man of your status & education resorting to using the fake bullying card when he doesn't get his way. I have been bullied as a child, it was months of torment, not a few crossed words on a webforum. There are likely many on here who understand the torture of bullying far more intimately than I ever will and I believe people like you who pull this card are despicable as they weaken the true meaning of bullying causing sympathy to weaken to those who have had to actually suffer it.
You had the opportunity to toddle off with you tail between your legs and retain some dignity but you chose to fight it out and make yourself look more ridiculous. Your actions. Most spammers give up straight away or after a short while but seldom continue to flog a dead horse as you do.
You deserve no respect as far as I'm concerned as you offer no respect to members of the forum. So, yes, I don't mind being harsh with you.
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Yes keep going Terry, everybody can see your veracity of your responses. Perhaps you should worry about your own reputation rather than mine.
Hardly, I'm the same as I was when I joined.
Reputation? Spoken like a true person ignorant of anything we discuss on here.
I don't worry about such things, mental health teaches you that status is meaningless. You could be top of the game or the bottom with mental health and it will treat you the same. You soon learn to cast of the shackles of status & reputation in order to help yourself.
Dear Terry (if that is your real name),
It's quite clear you keep posting things to undermine me (and sadly failing to). You've also made a large number of disparaging comments, that is online bullying. No I'm not being overly sensitive in the slightest, I just know when someone is trying it on, you're trying very hard. Your posts are certainly meeting the Google definition of bullying.
Your posts meet that definition and you're displaying a great lack of self respect. I don't need you're respect. The amount of respect you show me and others, is the amount of respect you have for yourself. Perhaps you should meditate on that before you think about your next post.
There is nothing advertorial about the coverage achieved in The Guardian or The Huffington post, and no money/fees were ever paid to the editors of those publications either.
I'm really sorry but you have no medical credentials and clearly no idea of what content makes it to editorial or how journalism works. Why don't you come up with something better? Or is that you can't and it's easier for you attempt putting others down?
You keep saying that I won't let it go, but look at the amount you're writing. And it's proving nothing.
The UK and EU government recognise the medical efficacy of bcalm in overcoming panic attacks. They know far more than you and I about what medicines and medical devices should be made available to the public.
If people want to use a paper bag then that is their choice. Although it's unlikely to pass MHRA tests, it's definitely cheaper.
I've never hyperlinked anything to the commercial pages of bcalm.
I joined this group to contribute to a discussion by making a bibliographic reference to research conducted by bcalm and the National Anxiety Foundation.
Get over it.
In case anyone wants to see the article, which is literally an advertisement by a paper...something we see lots of online these days sadly:
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/mar/24/panic-attack-poll-swansea-most-panic-stricken-city
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/panic-attack-hotspots-in-the-uk-revealed-swansea-wolverhampton-cardiff-panic-disorder_uk_56f1326ee4b030d552efeed6
The comments section is good on The Guardian. Our poor Bcalm has been getting some "bullying" on there too. :winks: I see our friend is getting criticised about this blatant advertisement here too. Given the sensitive nature of the person, it was a good job he didn't wade into the issue with them...they don't hold back much usually. I notice several picked up on the bias due to the interest of the company in the results.
I'm not sure what my favourite comments were, maybe how the map was wrong or perhaps the ones saying people couldn't realise their CO had changed to 35% since they would have been dead at 5%. :whistles:
Did the doctor not spot that? That's a pity since it makes a mockery of it really. Or perhaps whilst the doctor is the founder, a certain somebody was responsible for the media element? Perhaps someone less on the ball? :winks:
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Bcalm doesn't exist as a company in the UK. There is no mention on the site of who Bcalm actually are. No address, no contact details other than an email address and the names of the doctors involved in the patent (Dr Cox) and the two others including the one who has created the Bcalm inhaler.
So, who actually owns the company is a mystery. Who is it then? Because the only company I can actually see involved - is yours. You pay the bills on the website. Do you normally pay bills for other companies? Plus you have been doing the traffic work for them, another connection.
I have not attacked anyone. I haven't attacked the doctors or the product and as I've already stated - they are NOT the issue here on this website - YOU are the issue with your advertising, breaking the forum rules.
I called you guys despicable, it's my opinion, and I'm entitled too it just as you are entitled to your opinion that I am a bully. Or are you suggesting that only YOUR opinion counts in this world? I stand by calling YOU despicable but at the time I was working on the basis that this was a company acting but in reality it is probably just you since you are the director of Alchemy V Ltd.
YOU have joined a mental health forum to push a product for money. You have NOT joined to be part of this community, the help others and receive help yourself as ALL of US have. Your contribution has purely been to mislead people to the Bcalm website and that is even more obvious on the other thread where you have suggested it is an alternative for the OP to the meds tey are on when your device is aimed at panic attacks and NOT what the OP detailed in their thread.
Places like this should be safe for members to talk about complex and emotive subjects, they are NOT for companies to advertise their products unless the website owner, or Admin team, agree to the advertisement. Did you obtain permission to post your links to Bcalm? Of course not, you thought you would simply get away with it.
Would you stick your head into a group self help meeting to hand out flyers? I would hope not but who knows. You would be ejected. Consider places like this as larger versions of them and now ask yourself why you would think any of us would actually want your presence?
That's why I called you despicable and I stand firmly by it.
Your Google definition is a bit amateurish:
"use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants."
That definition would apply to any teacher telling a pupil to be quiet, any parent telling them to eat their greens or any boss telling someone to just get on with the work.
Using my status as a long term member against you? Where have I done that? Please point it out? Carnation mentioned this, not me. I have no need to mention it, that's you reaching for more ways to appear the victim. When I joined here I was giving someone far more known than Bcalm I good ripping and I was brand new. My attitude has never changed to people I consider spammers, market affiliates or advertisers. The same can be said to those I consider charlatans (note I am not stating you are or any of the doctors, companies, etc).
Seriously? What I find seriously embarrassing is a man of your status & education resorting to using the fake bullying card when he doesn't get his way. I have been bullied as a child, it was months of torment, not a few crossed words on a webforum. There are likely many on here who understand the torture of bullying far more intimately than I ever will and I believe people like you who pull this card are despicable as they weaken the true meaning of bullying causing sympathy to weaken to those who have had to actually suffer it.
You had the opportunity to toddle off with you tail between your legs and retain some dignity but you chose to fight it out and make yourself look more ridiculous. Your actions. Most spammers give up straight away or after a short while but seldom continue to flog a dead horse as you do.
You deserve no respect as far as I'm concerned as you offer no respect to members of the forum. So, yes, I don't mind being harsh with you.
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Hardly, I'm the same as I was when I joined.
Reputation? Spoken like a true person ignorant of anything we discuss on here.
I don't worry about such things, mental health teaches you that status is meaningless. You could be top of the game or the bottom with mental health and it will treat you the same. You soon learn to cast of the shackles of status & reputation in order to help yourself.
It depends on the thread. Some invite healthy discourse. Others it wouldn't be proper. And sometimes one HAS to defend no matter what. As Terry is doing in this case.
N.
Has bcalm been approved by NICE or is it just the UK government? Will Theresa and Andrea be receiving complimentary devices to cope with the challenging weeks ahead?
Just to add my opinion here, I frankly just ignore ANY posts that refer to either a product or so-called 'surveys and research conducted'.
To me they smack of something fishy, particularly coming from fairly new members.
Whether meant with best intentions or dodgy, if I want to see pertinent survey results or research stuff, that is what Google is for. If I want to investigate products/treatments, I will take steps of my own to do so.
End of story.:shrug:
MyNameIsTerry
09-07-16, 16:08
I left a site because of this bitching behavior,that is why I signed up here heard good things,it is like school games tit for tat.
Make love not War.:hugs:.
It's not like this on here so you don't need to worry.
This is just one of those rare spammers who won't let it go. But people need to be aware of them, many anxiety sufferers get ripped off by them.
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Has bcalm been approved by NICE or is it just the UK government? Will Theresa and Andrea be receiving complimentary devices to cope with the challenging weeks ahead?
Good luck finding hardly anything about it via Google. In fact, all you will find come from Bcalm or this spammer. No links to NICE, no links to the MHRA, no links to the government of any nation. Bcalm seems to have one customer testimonial.
This guy won't provide any proof, apparently we have to take his word or look ourselves.
What does it all say?
Let's face it, anyone can pay a polling company. It doesn't make anyone credible.
Maybe we will be treated to a Dragons Den at some point? :D
I understand that Andreas is paid to promote "brand awareness" and that forums such as this one are seen as ripe for the picking. The truth is that anything which comes with enough emotively enhancing jargon will entice vulnerable sufferers to part with their dough. Introduction of the product will be enough, no direct linkage to the relevant site will be needed....we all know how to use Google et al.
I'm sure Doc Cox will have educated his fellow psychiatrists on the properties of bcalm and how psychotropic meds may no longer be required in panic disorder. I would be interested to know whether bcalm can also modify the thought patterns which are also an integral part of panic disorder or are we purely dealing with a substitute for Xanax/propranolol here?
MyNameIsTerry
10-07-16, 06:29
There is nothing advertorial about the coverage achieved in The Guardian or The Huffington post, and no money/fees were ever paid to the editors of those publications either.
You misunderstand. It is a criticism of poor journalism in providing one way reporting. The journalist should have looked beyond the information provided to them by Bcalm and at what the NHS say. That's the NHS who put up quite a few articles about misrepresentation of studies by the nationals.
I'm not suggesting money changed hands but I am giving my opinion, one held by many people including some who commented on that article, that journalists should not promote products via sloppy journalism. They are the gatekeepers, businesses will always seek to get free coverage.
AND lets not forget that you have told us you are not involved with Bcalm so you can't actually state for sure that no money changed hands. You can only give your opinion. To know for sure would mean you would have been present during discussions between the two which would make you part of Bcalm or The Guardian. But lets face it, you've just slipped up again and made another admission...in my opinion.
I'm really sorry but you have no medical credentials and clearly no idea of what content makes it to editorial or how journalism works. Why don't you come up with something better? Or is that you can't and it's easier for you attempt putting others down?
Actually, that's an assumption no your part. However, when anyone has ever asked me I have always been clear that I have never worked in anything medical. However, this is about anything medical, it's about the use of the forum and as a member, I see someone breaking the rules and highlighted it.
And lets not forget that you have no medical qualifications either so I'm not sure what stating this was to gain? If it is in relation to LiveAboveIt's thread then I think members of the forum are certainly more aware and you completely misread what he was asking and the description of his problems. As a GAD & OCD sufferer, with many similarities to that member, I do have insight and have not only done much research but talked to many other sufferers and been through therapy for it. My therapist was qualified under IAPT to provide High Intensity Therapy, Level 3 on the NICE Stepped Care Model. So, I think I can agree with her points which were applicable to other thread.
The UK and EU government recognise the medical efficacy of bcalm in overcoming panic attacks. They know far more than you and I about what medicines and medical devices should be made available to the public.
If people want to use a paper bag then that is their choice. Although it's unlikely to pass MHRA tests, it's definitely cheaper.
Please link to the MHRA licencing document. I've asked twice already and you keep ducking this one and deflecting. It's a simple request. If the company wish to defend this, why not show people? Surely any customer asking is not going to be told to go away and find it for themselves?
Is this a medical device? Does it have a class designation because I can't recall your website saying that.
I've never hyperlinked anything to the commercial pages of bcalm.
Well we've already addressed this earlier on. You did. We can all see that you did. Remember, any potential customers may see this thread so there is no point keeping this lie going.
I joined this group to contribute to a discussion by making a bibliographic reference to research conducted by bcalm and the National Anxiety Foundation.
Well no, you added a commercial link as addressed before.
Forgetting about that, this is what the owner of this website says:
A progressive message forum offering support and advice to sufferers and carers. Ask for help and advice, support others in similar situations, tell us your successes, or arrange to meet up with fellow members. Whatever you need, you will find it on the message forum.
AND
No More Panic is open to anyone who feels that they may benefit from reading the experiences of others, get advice and tips on coping, learn new techniques, sharing how you recovered, and even those people that are able to help others when they are not sufferers themselves.
Please don’t feel overwhelmed by the forum. There are different topics for various problems and we appreciate that it will take time to look around and get a “feel” for the forum. Everyone is welcome here and we will support you all we can during your recovery – whatever your problem is. You made a positive decision coming here so please take some time to read posts, search the forum and, if you feel comfortable, please start off with an introduction post of your own. We are here to help and would like to welcome you to No More Panic.
Whilst it may be free to all, Admin remove advertisers, spammers, referrers, etc because they are using NMP for free when they should be paying - and you all know it.
As a spammer, you will just give it another name, a "bibliographical reference" for instance. The fact is, no other member on here conducts themselves as you did. No one here has a financial interest and you so obviously do and no matter what you say, it doesn't matter because spammers deceive & mislead.
As for the rest, I've addressed it more than once. You are free to keep banging on about it but I don't care, it's meaningless.
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I understand that Andreas is paid to promote "brand awareness" and that forums such as this one are seen as ripe for the picking. The truth is that anything which comes with enough emotively enhancing jargon will entice vulnerable sufferers to part with their dough. Introduction of the product will be enough, no direct linkage to the relevant site will be needed....we all know how to use Google et al.
I'm sure Doc Cox will have educated his fellow psychiatrists on the properties of bcalm and how psychotropic meds may no longer be required in panic disorder. I would be interested to know whether bcalm can also modify the thought patterns which are also an integral part of panic disorder or are we purely dealing with a substitute for Xanax/propranolol here?
Yep, whatever the connection, he owns the company creating the traffic (ARTIOS) and owns another that owns the Bcalm website (Alchmey V Ltd).
Some info about what they believe panic attacks are from Bcalm:
What causes panic attacks?
CO2 levels in your throat are raised
You have a receptor in your throat that constantly monitors CO2 levels. When these are elevated for some reason, perhaps because you are in a place with high CO2 levels like elevators, then this can trigger a panic response. Scientific research has shown that some people have a lower tolerance to high CO2 levels. If you are one of these people, then you are more likely to have a panic episode.
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There may be secondary triggers
In most cases, you panic because you have a low tolerance for CO2, which is why most panic attacks take place in enclosed spaces. However, there are secondary triggers such as adrenalin (which you might inadvertently release into your system when you are tired, traumatised or stressed) as well as falling progesterone levels in premenstrual women. These can all make a panic attack more likely in people who are already sensitive to CO2 levels.
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Continue enjoying your life
You won't have a panic episode each time you are in an area of high CO2 concentration. Or even ever again. You are just slightly more likely to have an issue than someone who has a higher tolerance - that's all. If you are in an area of high CO2 concentration, like a lift, on public transport or in a small, stuffy room, then keep calm and continue with what you're doing.
BIB - so you may use the inhaler once and never again. Therefore, you don't have Panic Disorder and I think it highly unlikely an anxiety disorder either. A bit strange to tell people they probably don't need to bother buying the product.
Doesn't it sound like an insurance policy?
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Research suggests that panic episodes are directly triggered by physiological factors rather than by what had happened in someone's emotional life (upsetting as these events could often be).
This is an amazing insight, because it suggests that millions of panic sufferers around the world are unhelpfully being labelled as 'damaged' or as having 'psychological issues'. In the majority of cases, they simply had a lower tolerance for high CO2 levels.
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The science behind bcalm suggest that:
•panic attacks are directly caused by external factors like CO2 rather than psychosocial ones
From the FAQ's:
I tend to have panic episodes when I'm tired, upset or stressed - isn't this a trigger?
CO2 is not the only trigger for attacks, although it is usually the most significant. Adrenalin can also be a trigger, whether it is injected into your body by a dentist to numb your mouth or your body releases it from your adrenal glands due to a fright or worry or pressure. If you are a premenstrual woman with abrupt falling progesterone, this can also be a trigger. However, CO2 is usually the major factor behind panic episodes and may be an important factor in anxiety generally.
Could we not argue that the trigger causes the CO2 change? Fight or flight gets a mention yet is considered a minor contributor. :doh:
If I have a lower tolerance for high CO2 levels why did I have my first panic episode aged 32?
Like diabetes mellitus, some diseases occur for the first time at certain ages. Similarly, there is a peak onset of people who develop panic disorder aged 26. We do not know why at this stage, although we're working to find out.
If this was the case, the root cause would be physical, organic. WHO already recognise organic root causes for symptoms like this, as do any medical system, hence why they spend time ruling out physical causes to then determine it to be psychological. That's a strict part of how diagnostics should work, not that doctors follow it all the time of course.
I find it awfully strange that no one seems to care about the mega billions lost around the world for what could simply be a receptor in the mouth that could be targeted for medical treatment.
Will I always have panic attacks because I've had one or two?
No. Although we know that there are certain physical factors that trigger panic episodes, and that some people are more sensitive to these triggers than others, the research does not suggest that you will be susceptible to these triggers all your life. Enjoy your life and use bcalm when you need to.
So, again buy it but you may never need it. And you wouldn't be classed as having Panic Disorder by this criteria anyway or an anxiety disorder. A very vague answer otherwise.
Should I see a therapist about my panic attacks?
You should see a medical doctor. The doctor can then rule out other causes (in a very few cases, panic-like symptoms can mean something else) and help you make a decision about possible treatments.
Is this possibly the craziest bit so far? I'm VERY sure no doctors will be telling people to buy this unknown inhaler that has virtually no web presence and only one testimonial. Although, I'm sure we will shortly be hearing lots of doctors do advise patients to purchase it...where have I heard that one before eh, Nic? :winks:
So, a very few cases will mean it is other than just panic. That's one best left to doctors anyway, there are many reasons for panic & anxiety as recognised by the medical world, and the NHS are clear on that, but other than these the issue would be psychological. However, are Bcalm suggesting they are not and that it is an environmental thing?
I haven't read the research, that will be interesting. But there are an awful lot of assumptions here. I would like to know why panic attacks cannot be replicated under the same in vivo conditions. I've read about what they say about they notice people run from the area and feel better in the outside. Sadly, we all know panic attacks occur in large open good air areas too so I regard this with a LOT of scepticism.
The science seems to be based on triggering a panic attack. Well a nocebo isn't enough to suggest all panic attacks (or most) are from this. There are of ways doctors can create panic, anxiety, psychosis, etc in a patient intentionally in research with substances. Crikey, any of us who have taken antidepressants now how they can cause this to worsen!
This will be an interesting one to read:
In a paper co–authored with Dr Maurice Preter, he explains how panic can be triggered by indicators of potential suffocation, such as fluctuations in CO2.
I know suffocation causes panic, it tends to happen when someone is trying to murder you...so the false alarms part will be interesting to see what they found but making such a statement otherwise is going to be viewed as blatantly obvious otherwise. Shoving an crocodile into a room with me would make me panic, regardless of the handler then showing me it jaws had been taped.
But they go even further:
Reports by clinicians and patients also suggest that bcalm may be effective for general anxiety.
So, my GAD might just be the CO2? I think I know a good many reasons why that is NOT the case.
I agree with this statement though:
Anxiety is not always psychological but rather a disease that can now be controlled. The symptoms are devastating: sudden unprovoked attacks of anxiety-accompanied by skipping and racing of the heart, shortness of breath, lightheadedness, dizzy spells. Even worse is the fear that you are losing your mind. But here's the good news. The more unexpected and unprovoked the attacks or the symptoms, the more likely that the victim is suffering from a biologically beset disease.
But then has it been taken out of context? Does this doctor also talk about many causes rather than hinge his causes on CO2? If so, he isn't relevant to the Bcalm message at all in my opinion, but I would need to know more about his work.
Here is an interesting statement from the co creator of the patent, who has licenced it:
http://www.nationalanxietyfoundation.org/new-treatment-available.html
One would assume, however, that the bcalm device which removes CO2 from the CO2 -polluted air would help persons who are known to be overly sensitive to CO2 -polluted air in these close-in situations. For now, the maker is simply stating that the bcalm is guaranteed to filter CO2 pollution out of air with the typical CO2 elevations known to exist in elevators and planes and forth on down to levels of fresh outdoor air.
And lets add the statement at the bottom onto that:
This information (except for the name of the device, bcalm) was reviewed and agreed upon by Dr. David Sinclair of Finland who did the second clinical trial.
And follow that statement up with this one from higher up the article, which Dr Sinclair has reviewed and agreed to by this previous statement:
. The Finnish study was not published due to imperfect (partially active) placebos but the trend was useful nonetheless.
So, that study is irrelevant and would NOT stand up to peer review. Dr Sinclair seems honest about that.
There are a few "presumably" words from Dr Cox which makes me question his confidence. He also concentrates on CO2 and forgets about ALL psychological factors. So, no one is having a panic attack in a PTSD cases unless it's about air quality? That's seems very simplistic to me and by not stating why other elements are not playing a part it feels like they have been ignored in favour of this CO2 theory. That's bias.
I think you will all like this one though:
How much does bcalm cost?
The bcalm device costs £12.95, plus postage and packaging.
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Why is the device only single use?
The device contains materials that trap bacterial microbes, therefore it would be unhygienic to use beyond the first panic attack as it could pose health risks, and there is not enough active material present to ensure that it would absorption of CO2 for additional panic attacks. Work is being done with the available technology to assist sufferers of panic attacks to overcome their episodes at bcalm. The device currently offers panic attack sufferers a treatment for a single attack, but this is still a significant improvement on what was previously available
So, to panic sufferers these would cost you a fortune. :whistles:
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Hi
Is anyone else suffering from panic and anxiety over the events of the last 24hours, and if so how are you coping?
Tims
Hi Tims,
I noticed you on earlier. Sorry about all this in your thread.
Are you getting on ok now? It's all mad in the news, isn't it?
I hope they do BOGOF(F) deals?
Don't know about the Guardian...but anyone citing that rag The Huffington Puffington Post loses me straight away.
And as for no medical credentials I would say the sufferers of any malady come to know said malady or related disorders as well or better than any formally trained professional.
And as for not being a journalist...well let me just say the days of Edward R. Morrow are long gone. Most "journalists" today are merely operatives with an agenda - either political (I site all the Brexit scaremongering) or monetaryial - pushing a specific product or program for personal gain. Most don't serve the public good anymore.
N.
MyNameIsTerry
10-07-16, 09:57
Breathing techniques are. ..FREE!
Think how many Bcalm devices you would need to buy per year if you had Panic Disorder? And there are actual doctors who think this is good?
Funny how they don't mention it being single use anywhere else. I wonder how many will get caught out by the small print?
Yeah, Noivous The Huff is well known for "interest" pieces that are little more than ads.
I think with newspapers going online it has opened up a whole new business to cater for journalists who would never have made it. Look how many bloggers write pieces. It's very common to see readers complaining about poor standards online. It's like the tittle tattle mags.
Terry, I always thought air was free? :ohmy:
As you know I went on my hols in January where the air is as clean as you can get.
Just by the sea, no traffic, a low population and nothing to worry me.
My anxiety was worse!!!! :ohmy:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/09/hollande-says-u-s-election-risks-becoming-brexit-vote-ii-bloomberg/
What's this Hollande (sauce) another Obummer? Check out some of the comments at the end of the article.
Hopefully we take our country back here too.
N.
MyNameIsTerry
10-07-16, 11:03
Terry, I always thought air was free? :ohmy:
As you know I went on my hols in January where the air is as clean as you can get.
Just by the sea, no traffic, a low population and nothing to worry me.
My anxiety was worse!!!! :ohmy:
Yeah, they will claim pollution I guess but surely that would mean cities and less coastal? A nice peaceful coastal location would surely have good quality air?
Here's something else to consider. Anyone notice our Bcalm friend didn't pick anyone up on the paper bag technique? That does the opposite of his product by increasing CO2 levels. I would have expected him to point out the obvious difference to his product rather than that of a paper bag not meeting licencing standards.
Paper bags can bring on panic symptoms in some for that very reason.
A bit of a fail there. None of those doctors would have missed that.
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/09/hollande-says-u-s-election-risks-becoming-brexit-vote-ii-bloomberg/
What's this Hollande (sauce) another Obummer? Check out some of the comments at the end of the article.
Hopefully we take our country back here too.
N.
French president. He's the one that been laughing that we voted leave telling us get out now along with a few others, all of which Merkel has been telling to grow up.
Over 80% of the French polled recently wanted Hollande out. I don't think they appreciate him sitting back while they are under threat from terrorism for a start.
He's weak.
I noticed some comments about disproving of Obama making threats to us in the referendum. That's good to see.
Here we go again, perhaps you have no respect for the recent comments made by the forum members?
They'd like to see an end to this bickering.
Why don't you focus on what the forum thread topic is about rather than me?
Yeah, they will claim pollution I guess but surely that would mean cities and less coastal? A nice peaceful coastal location would surely have good quality air?
Here's something else to consider. Anyone notice our Bcalm friend didn't pick anyone up on the paper bag technique? That does the opposite of his product by increasing CO2 levels. I would have expected him to point out the obvious difference to his product rather than that of a paper bag not meeting licencing standards.
Paper bags can bring on panic symptoms in some for that very reason.
A bit of a fail there. None of those doctors would have missed that.
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French president. He's the one that been laughing that we voted leave telling us get out now along with a few others, all of which Merkel has been telling to grow up.
Over 80% of the French polled recently wanted Hollande out. I don't think they appreciate him sitting back while they are under threat from terrorism for a start.
He's weak.
I noticed some comments about disproving of Obama making threats to us in the referendum. That's good to see.
If the rule against advertising has been broken, do admin not deal with it?
MyNameIsTerry
10-07-16, 19:13
If the rule against advertising has been broken, do admin not deal with it?
Yes, you just report it, Mercime. I do it whenever I see them. Admin otherwise miss a lot of them since they can't keep an eye on all posts. If they had seen this one they would have intervened too because of an argument taking place.
I'm divided on whether to bother. The guy is damaging his reputation and consumers may be better seeing that than being taken in by their product. And so I haven't yet reported him as Nic will not only ban him but delete all posts be is in.
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Here we go again, perhaps you have no respect for the recent comments made by the forum members?
They'd like to see an end to this bickering.
Why don't you focus on what the forum thread topic is about rather than me?
Erm, I don't recall you being connected to the French prime minister and his support of Clinton. :doh:
Why are you focusing on me? I notice one new member worried about bickering, but she seems happy enough to engage with me other threads anyway and more forum members questioning your product. And since you presented Bcalm as relevant to Brexit, we are discussing Bcalm the product...which we can only do because you posted it on here. :doh:
Lol, I think it's your reputation that's suffering. It's quite clear that the forum thread is on Brexit and anxiety, and I have contributed by pointing out what the press have said and making a bibliographical reference. No links to commercial pages at any time have been made. Keep going.
Yes, you just report it, Mercime. I do it whenever I see them. Admin otherwise miss a lot of them since they can't keep an eye on all posts. If they had seen this one they would have intervened too because of an argument taking place.
I'm divided on whether to bother. The guy is damaging his reputation and consumers may be better seeing that than being taken in by their product. And so I haven't yet reported him as Nic will not only ban him but delete all posts be is in.
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Erm, I don't recall you being connected to the French prime minister and his support of Clinton. :doh:
Why are you focusing on me? I notice one new member worried about bickering, but she seems happy enough to engage with me other threads anyway and more forum members questioning your product. And since you presented Bcalm as relevant to Brexit, we are discussing Bcalm the product...which we can only do because you posted it on here. :doh:
I don't think it's what the "press" have said, more like what your "survey" said. I doubt whether any reputable psychiatrist/psychologist in the UK has heard of this device but I suppose it is your job to spread brand awareness amongst the NICE community/wherever you spot an opening for your product. I wish you luck on that one and will keep my eyes peeled for future announcements in the broadsheets- I don't count the Huffington Post or the Groaniad.
I do admire your tenacity here but I think you should target the medical community as opposed to targetting an anxiety website. You would certainly gain more credibility this way but I know it's just a job to you and you need to generate interest in whatever way you can..which doesn't go down at all well on here as you can see
Bcalm seems to want Terry to retaliate by suggesting; "Keep going"
As Terry has stated, the poster seems to be focussing on him. :ohmy:
Dear Pulisa,
Thank you for your comments, which were written in a polite and respectful manner which is highly appreciated.
Re Press, yes the brexit anxiety is based on what the bcalm survey results - I accept that. Let's not forget though that bcalm took the trouble (and expense) to ensure there were 2,000 participants and it is Marketing Research Society compliant. A lot of surveys have made the news for much less. In any case, the survey got picked up by The Times so it means that they at least thought the survey results and the way it was conducted is newsworthy.
I also acknowledge that the "Groanaid" and HuffPo are not to everyones taste - no problem, it simply means that a higher level of proof is required for discussing Brexit.
If any reputable psychiatrist has not heard of bcalm it is because bcalm is new. However, I'm sure if they read bcalm's information for clinicians they would agree that the product is worth trying especially as it is medically proven and has government approval for retail in the UK and EU.
I thought the No More Panic website was relevant because they are many people taking anti anxiety medication for Anxiety/Panic. It is isn't just a job to me, I'm very passionate about bcalm because it works and it has helped a couple of close panic suffering friends taking this medication. There was a discussion on brexit anxiety which is why I posted the link to the coverage and the bibliography.
For any offence caused (including Terry), I apologise. I was only being tenacious when the conversation started to be focused on me and not the topic.
I hope this clarifies where I'm coming from.
I don't think it's what the "press" have said, more like what your "survey" said. I doubt whether any reputable psychiatrist/psychologist in the UK has heard of this device but I suppose it is your job to spread brand awareness amongst the NICE community/wherever you spot an opening for your product. I wish you luck on that one and will keep my eyes peeled for future announcements in the broadsheets- I don't count the Huffington Post or the Groaniad.
I do admire your tenacity here but I think you should target the medical community as opposed to targetting an anxiety website. You would certainly gain more credibility this way but I know it's just a job to you and you need to generate interest in whatever way you can..which doesn't go down at all well on here as you can see
Thanks for replying, bcalm, and for clarifying the situation.
My daughter has a complex anxiety disorder and ASD and sees a psychologist weekly for ACT therapy at a specialised mental health unit. I'm sure other professionals there will be interested to hear about bcalm and its properties but there will be a major problem in that the device is single-use only. As you can imagine for people like my daughter who are severely challenged by panic disorder and the like the sheer cost involved would be prohibititive..
I think this single-use feature would come as an unwelcome surprise to most people buying your device?
Hi Pulisa - So is seems you like this Theresa May. I heard her say Brexit means Brexit. Will she follow through do you think?
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It depends what she means by this and whether she knows what she means...in today's press it is predicted that it could be years before we finally exit.
I'm wondering who will be chosen to star in the forthcoming Brexit the Movie opus?
MyNameIsTerry
13-07-16, 12:31
It depends what she means by this and whether she knows what she means...in today's press it is predicted that it could be years before we finally exit.
I'm wondering who will be chosen to star in the forthcoming Brexit the Movie opus?
Well it could be Teresa May after the Twitter mix up. Now that would be a film Boris would want to star in personally I reckon. :winks:
There was speculation by some stating 7 years, some 9, to get it all done. I can't remember the reasons why but this was shortly after the vote. I guess it takes a while to divide up the pies without many fingers losing out.
Gerald Depardieu as BoJo?
MyNameIsTerry
13-07-16, 13:27
:yesyes:
A CGI Alistair Simm as Merkel.
Rupert Everett in drag as TM?
So we got Cameron in a dress after all. :lac:
MyNameIsTerry
13-07-16, 23:41
Judy Finnegan as Leadsom based on what happened.
Al Murray in pub landlord character for Farage. :roflmao:
MyNameIsTerry
14-07-16, 06:19
Can we have a CGI Michael Jackson to play Obama?
I can see it now. Blasting into Black Or White...
"Whether you've Leaving or Remaining, it don't matter cos Obama's right", de de de de dee, na na na na nah, "he he" [crotch grab & pelvic thrust]
http://www.bestemoticon.com/smiley/danse/dans11.png
I'm in a delightful situation, a UK expat who lives in the EU, and it just happens to be one that has insanely strict immigration laws if you are not an EU/EEA citizen, and doesn't allow citizenship applications till you have been here 9 years (it's been 5 and a half for me). I am suffering a lot and my anxiety is going crazy. I genuinely don't feel I belong in the UK anymore and if I lost my right to live here I'd be losing almost everything, I'd be 16 again in my life progress but older and with fewer options. It's getting worse as more time passes and still nothing has been said for the expats to reassure us, it may take years, I am powerless and terrified.
The media is the worst part right now, it makes it hard to know what to be afraid of and what is hysteria.
I'm in a delightful situation, a UK expat who lives in the EU, and it just happens to be one that has insanely strict immigration laws if you are not an EU/EEA citizen, and doesn't allow citizenship applications till you have been here 9 years (it's been 5 and a half for me). I am suffering a lot and my anxiety is going crazy. I genuinely don't feel I belong in the UK anymore and if I lost my right to live here I'd be losing almost everything, I'd be 16 again in my life progress but older and with fewer options. It's getting worse as more time passes and still nothing has been said for the expats to reassure us, it may take years, I am powerless and terrified.
The media is the worst part right now, it makes it hard to know what to be afraid of and what is hysteria.
Uncertainties can happen anywhere and anytime Unknown.
As a UK citizen, I lost my home in the UK on several occasions and just recently because my mum has to go in to a nursing home, I am sort of homeless now. :scared15:
And I am not at a great age for being in a position like this. :(
I understand your worry and outcome of all of this, but this subject has not even been discussed yet and it is highly unlikely that anyone who has set up home especially 5 years ago will have to move anyway.
The media make a great job of worrying and causing anxiety to the public.
Apart from that, any changes will take time to implicate, probably years.
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I'm glad Cameron has gone. :)
He was about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike. :D
And when he went to Europe to make deals....
He went with a satchel and came back with a handbag..............
Hi Pulisa,
I'm very sorry to hear about your daughter.
I agree that it would be ideal to have a multiple use inhaler. To explain, the device contains materials that trap bacterial microbes, therefore it would be unhygienic to use beyond the first panic attack as it could pose health risks. The second challenge is that there isn't enough active material present to ensure that it could handle the absorption of CO2 for additional panic attacks.
However, work is being done at bcalm with the available technology to assist panic attack sufferers to overcome their episodes. The device currently does offer panic attack sufferers a treatment for a single attack, which is still a significant improvement on what was previously available.
I accept it's not the only solution and it's not everybody's choice, although they do have lots of satisfied repeat customers.
Thanks for replying, bcalm, and for clarifying the situation.
My daughter has a complex anxiety disorder and ASD and sees a psychologist weekly for ACT therapy at a specialised mental health unit. I'm sure other professionals there will be interested to hear about bcalm and its properties but there will be a major problem in that the device is single-use only. As you can imagine for people like my daughter who are severely challenged by panic disorder and the like the sheer cost involved would be prohibititive.
I think this single-use feature would come as an unwelcome surprise to most people buying your device?
Uncertainties can happen anywhere and anytime Unknown.
As a UK citizen, I lost my home in the UK on several occasions and just recently because my mum has to go in to a nursing home, I am sort of homeless now. :scared15:
And I am not at a great age for being in a position like this. :(
I understand your worry and outcome of all of this, but this subject has not even been discussed yet and it is highly unlikely that anyone who has set up home especially 5 years ago will have to move anyway.
The media make a great job of worrying and causing anxiety to the public.
Apart from that, any changes will take time to implicate, probably years.
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I'm glad Cameron has gone. :)
Haha as much use as an ashtray on a motorcycle! I hope you put that in the funny phrases Fred LOL!
He was about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike. :D
And when he went to Europe to make deals....
He went with a satchel and came back with a handbag..............
hahaha!as much use as an ashtray on a motorcycle hahaha I hope you put that in the funny phrases thread. LOL!
Hi Pulisa,
I'm very sorry to hear about your daughter.
I agree that it would be ideal to have a multiple use inhaler. To explain, the device contains materials that trap bacterial microbes, therefore it would be unhygienic to use beyond the first panic attack as it could pose health risks. The second challenge is that there isn't enough active material present to ensure that it could handle the absorption of CO2 for additional panic attacks.
However, work is being done at bcalm with the available technology to assist panic attack sufferers to overcome their episodes. The device currently does offer panic attack sufferers a treatment for a single attack, which is still a significant improvement on what was previously available.
I accept it's not the only solution and it's not everybody's choice, although they do have lots of satisfied repeat customers.
I was looking for some reviews on your website but didn't really find much feedback, just an unanswered query about how often the device needed to be replaced. I would imagine that your best bet would be to target the private sector where money will be freely available. I think it would be very expensive and stressful to manage panic disorder with bcalm for most people who are struggling with their finances
MyNameIsTerry
15-07-16, 06:03
I'm in a delightful situation, a UK expat who lives in the EU, and it just happens to be one that has insanely strict immigration laws if you are not an EU/EEA citizen, and doesn't allow citizenship applications till you have been here 9 years (it's been 5 and a half for me). I am suffering a lot and my anxiety is going crazy. I genuinely don't feel I belong in the UK anymore and if I lost my right to live here I'd be losing almost everything, I'd be 16 again in my life progress but older and with fewer options. It's getting worse as more time passes and still nothing has been said for the expats to reassure us, it may take years, I am powerless and terrified.
The media is the worst part right now, it makes it hard to know what to be afraid of and what is hysteria.
You would still have your BF. You left here to be with him so he isn't going to forget that and he must love you.
It will depend more on the EU than the UK what happens in your case. It would be bitchy of the EU to push people out who are benefitting them and there will be human rights to consider in all of this which will make it complicated for them I reckon.
Here's a prominent Brit in the leave camp.
https://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/justinholcomb/2017/04/07/michael-caine-defends-brexit-vote-id-rather-be-a-poor-master-than-a-rich-servant-n2310448
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