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Bill
12-04-17, 03:43
I typed this as a reply in the OCD section but I thought I'd copy it here too as it became much longer than I intended.

I truly believe that no matter what type of anxiety someone is suffering from, it is possible to achieve a life where anxiety doesn't dominate.
In my experience I can remember two really poor therapists who treated me as if there was nothing wrong with me. Some of the advice they gave you just wouldn't believe. Since then though I've come into contact with other therapists who really knew their jobs and they have restored my faith.

My problems started in my childhood. I can remember two incidents in particular. I was walking with my mother and I can remember asking her why do people get ill. She said it can be because of dirt. That stayed with me so I became fixated about keeping clean. I must have been little because I can remember using the toilet and afraid to sit on the seat. My mother was present and she didn't realise what I was afraid of. She thought I was afraid of falling in the toilet. After that I can then remember being at school and urgently needing to sit on the loo but I was too afraid of germs and since it was nearly home time I decided to hold on until my mother picked me up and got me home. I didn't make it home in time though and I can still remember my mother asking me why didn't I go before I left school.


It's amazing how memories stay with you. I was too afraid to tell my parents about my fears. I always tried to hide them which was the wrong thing to do because when you bottle things, the problems only get worse.

When I went to secondary school I was bullied. I hated it there. So much so that my anxiety became got worse. I used to be sick in the mornings and took a mixture to try and calm my stomach, still hiding it from my parents. I didn't even tell them about the bullying. In the end I retaliated with the bullies and ended up in fights for which I got the cane or slipper.

Also in my teens, my OCD got out of control. I didn't know it had a title. All I knew was that I had to constantly check things such as locks, taps etc. I hated being the last person out the house because I got into such a state that even when I got out, I couldn't stop asking myself if I'd checked everything. I was afraid of getting blamed if anything went wrong, even though my parents would never turn on me. I used to be shaking, sweating, my heat beat would be through the roof. I hated it. I always tried to race to make sure I wasn't the last one out.

I didn't know I had a problem. I just thought it was a part of who I was. When I started work, the OCD just got even worse. I used to wash my hands constantly until they were white and the fakes of skin fell off. I remember my parents noticing but not really saying anything other than making comments about how I'd cope if I was on my own. My checking was just as bad but also health anxiety surfaced. I couldn't watch programmes about health related issues because they just made me vomit. My parents would just say I shouldn't eat dinner while watching tv.

I used to hate using the toilets at work too so the night before I'd eat lots of fruit thinking it would clear me out before I got to work. It didn't work. It just made me go before I left home and when I got to work so I was told off for always being late to my desk because of being in the loo.

I had this "thing" about numbers and words. I had to check things a certain number of times until I reached a safe number. The trouble was if I had a bad intrusive thought on that safe number, I'd have to carry on until I reached my next safe number.

I couldn't close newspapers or books without looking at a safe word last. Otherwise I'd have to keep going back to the same page but again if a bad intrusive thought started or I opened and closed the paper on an unsafe number, I'd have to keep going. It was horrendous.

The colour black was a major problem. Anything black I saw or touched would result in repeating rituals such as not crossing the road behind black cars or washing my hands after touching anything black. Think how many things are black and you'll get an idea how much time I wasted.

At work I can remember writing numbers for my boss. I made a mistake so I wanted to write the whole list again. I didn't know he was watching. Oh boy, there was hell to pay as he was in a hurry for the figures. Mind you, I hated working there so the stress really didn't help. I used to have to clock in but because of my safe numbers I had to wait until the clock read a safe time. I was always late, specially as it meant using the loo to. Amazing to think I kept my jobs.

I also remember destroying books etc. because I feared they were contaminated. Such a waste, especially as I really liked those books.

Even washing was a problem because I would count how many times I'd rinse with water etc. Numbers, words, intrusive thoughts - they all contributed to bully me to stop me enjoying life.

I know how horrible it feels to do something but something inside you compels you to have to go back to do it again...and again...and again...and the more times you go back, the worse you feel until you feel a complete wreck.

I think I've always been sensitive, insecure, a born worrier, intense, a perfectionist and definitely suffering a lack of confidence. I'm quite sure my personality made me prone to my issues.

When I first started work I wouldn't engage in conversation. I was so anxious, I was even too afraid to talk to girls. At school I never had any girlfriends. They never even looked at me twice. I was incredibly shy. To talk to a girl was like taking an exam. I'd feel sick and was often sick with fear.

I think it took me years to come out of my shell. Eventually as I built my confidence I held meetings and I was able to train others, and yes, even managed to talk to girls. I would have to say that I feel my biggest achievement was being interviewed on radio, more than once because of some research I did. I'm only saying this because compared to how I used to be, I would never have dreamt that possible.

I have to admit though when stress at home and at work became too great, I went through what I call my really bad spell when I couldn't see any future. I used to think that only young people self harmed. I couldn't understand why they did though because they seemed the most lovely people you could wish to meet. It was only when I started doing it myself that I understood the mental pain they must suffer too. I think it is so easily misunderstood. It's not always a cry for help. I think in most cases it's to relieve mental pain. I know there's a biological reason for it but I know it helped me. I used to use whatever I could find to take away my torment. Like so many people, I hid it. If it was a cry for help, why hide the cuts. I felt it was my only option. It didn't stop there though because then I started taking od's. I just lost hope of any future. I was surrounded by mental pain because of the pressures at home and at work. At work I just kept getting suicidal thoughts. My mind wasn't concentrating on my job and my boss noticed. Eventually I had to let it all out to her in a meeting room. When I told her everything, she just started crying. I'll never forget that. She had no idea what I was going through.

I thought by taking sick leave I'd ease the pressures and it would help me recover but without realising it I'd trapped myself in 24hr pressure at home living with someone with severe mental illness. I don't feel I can say too much other than I had to lock myself in the bathroom or walk the streets in the middle of the night. The pressure was constant and I had no one to turn to. Life just wasn't worth living. I was so tired, so stressed. It was a nightmare.

This is when I was prescribed countless meds that never worked. I was given ECT when they should have realised the real causes and that it wasn't depression. It was only when I saw a psychologist that I was told that I was simply taking on too much. He said I had a choice, so I gave up my job but it wasn't really the answer. I just nosedived.

My general anxiety was with me every minute of every day. From feeling sick in the morning to feeling sick at night. I felt so alone. I used to pray to the heavens to send me an angel, to make all my pain go away but none ever arrived.

I think though that everything I've been through has given me the understanding of how anxiety works and how it affects others. I can remember watching tv and seeing a news article about a mother jumping off a bridge with her two disabled children. They said they did all they could to help them but it made me feel, it obviously wasn't enough. It also made me realise though that rather than self-destructing, I should be doing more to try to help others like that poor mother. I feel too many people are being neglected and with cutbacks even more so. Lives are worth more than just money.

After seeing this on the news, I decided I really had to help myself get better so I made a plan to find ways to ease my stresses and to start combating my OCD and other anxiety issues. It took time but compared to then, I don't suffer anywhere near like I did. Nowadays I don't think anyone would even be aware of my past or the minor anxieties that still try to bully me. I've learnt what I must do to find enjoyment in life.

I must confess I always carry with me an emptiness. It never seems to leave me. I've lost my parents, I lost my only sister and I hardly ever hear from other family members. I have friends but they don't know my history. I think though that this emptiness is something I will always have to live with. I think I'll always feel alone.

However, to finish on a happier note, I do honestly believe it is possible to find enjoyment in life. You just need the knowledge, the right tools and the right attitude with a bit of courage, and you can be free of anxiety.

You've read what I've been through and I'm absolutely no different from everyone else on this forum so if I can help myself, I know deep down a lot of you can learn how to help yourselves too. I also know there are others on here who are now leading happier lives because of all the work Nic has done in creating this forum to connect and help so many people.

If you think I could help you in some way, please don't be afraid to send me a pm. I don't bite and I really would love to help.

Carnation
12-04-17, 09:12
:hugs:

Cakelady
12-04-17, 15:05
Oh goodness, I can relate to so much in your post, its really touched me, bit lost for words but thankyou so much for sharing xxx

snowghost57
12-04-17, 15:25
I'm lost for words Bill. Your posts have been a tremendous support to me. I'm very thankful for this forum and the friends that I have made here:hugs:

Bill
12-04-17, 23:43
Thank you for your kind words. Knowing my posts do some good makes them all worthwhile. That's all I would wish to hope for.

One thing I remembered which I've now added to the OCD post was that when I lost hope and after I started to self harm, I then took overdoses. At the time I just didn't think about the consequences. All I was aware of was the mental pain I was suffering and I just wanted it to stop. It was only after a doctor at the hospital told me that one more pill and I would have gone that the penny dropped how low I had sunk. Around the same time I heard on the news about the mother jumping off a bridge and together they made me realise I was wasting my life for nothing.

I know now that if I hadn't survived, I wouldn't have been here to support my parents when each of them became ill and nor of course would I be here posting. I just hope that I really am doing some good to help others because then I feel my life has been worth something.

Anxiety need not rule our lives.

Fishmanpa
13-04-17, 01:17
Great post and words of wisdom!

Positive thoughts

snowghost57
13-04-17, 03:13
You are right Bill, that anxiety need not rule our lives. I am sorry that you have lost your parents. Your life is worth something. I really think you should start a blog on Anxiety so you can reach other people other then in the UK. Your stories are so helpful. I'm in the states and there are not forum such as this one, and no one that has explained anxiety and how we can beat it like you do.

Bill
14-04-17, 03:10
Snowghost,
In such a big country with such a large population, you would have thought there would be someone like our Nic (although I know how special she is) who would have created something like NMP. I think Terry told me there was one that closed down but it is surprising there aren't others.

Also, in the country we're very lucky to have our NHS but I know how expensive it can be in the US to have tests done etc so you would have thought a forum like NMP would save anxiety sufferers a fortune if they knew what was really going on.

A long time ago, there was someone from the US on here who told me she had spent thousands to try and find out what was wrong with her until she came here and it all made sense. I just felt so sad that she had spent so much money. It made me wonder how common her case might be.

Not long ago someone else on here said I should write a blog but like I said to them, I wouldn't know how to get started but they did make me wonder if I should give it a go so if you or others have any advice or tips I'd love to hear from you. It's just something I've never thought about attempting but if you really think I might help others in that way, I'd like to explore it further. Thank you.

beatroon
14-04-17, 15:15
Lovely words, Bill. You seem like such a courageous individual, battling your anxiety as you have. I think that people who don't have such problems have no idea of the bravery it can take to live your life.

It's great that you've come to the realisation that if you had've succeeded in your suicide attempts, you wouldn't have been able to help others in the way that you do. I for one am very glad you are still here!

Bill
15-04-17, 01:31
Thank you beatroon, that is so very kind of you to say.

When I think back to those days, I know I wasn't intentionally attempting to end it all but then I also know I wasn't crying out for help. I just remember feeling in so much mental pain due to too much pressure at home, work and with my own anxieties with no one to turn to and no escape, that I could see no way out and I just wanted the pain to stop.

Sometimes I still feel the pain beneath the surface but my attitude towards life is now completely different so I try not to think about it by keeping moving forward and constantly thinking what more can I do to make a difference rather than giving up. Life does often feel a constant battle but these days although I still get low, I find it then makes me more determined thinking I need to do more. I never feel I'm doing enough and yet I know to be aware of limits. I must admit I do get a great deal of satisfaction when I know I've done some good for someone in need and that makes surviving worth it.

snowghost57
15-04-17, 07:21
I mentioned that you should start a blog Bill. I might not have been the only one. This site is the only one that I could find that understands anxiety and how it effects our lives. I am from United States, the time difference would have deterred me from joining, however my anxiety kept me up so many nights and I have met so many understanding and caring people here that I was able to battle the time difference.

Please reach out to all sufferers of this terrible parasite as you call it. Your wealth of knowledge need to be share across the "pond" as well.

Hugs!

Snow

beatroon
15-04-17, 12:31
I know exactly how you feel. It's not a cry for help exactly, because you don't believe (at that moment of the illness) that anything can make you feel better, so believing that no help is available, you don't see any other way out. Which is really just a measure of how ill you've become. It's a tricky disorder!

I completely agree about the attitudinal change being the key. It's about moving forward for me, sticking to treasured goals and trying to be the kind of person the world needs more of. Acceptance and Commitment Therapy basically - don't know if you've come across it, but I've found it's the best thing I've done (apart from meds).

Bill
16-04-17, 06:09
Snowghost, yes, I remember now that it was you who mentioned about the blog. I remember seeing someone else here had started one and I'd got the memory muddled!

Beatroon, I must admit I read all these different names for anxiety disorders and all these therapies that people mention on here but I confess I often haven't got a clue what they are but if people describe there issues and what they're doing to help themselves I find I can normally make sense of it all. Personally, I knew what my issues were so I devised my own plan to help myself as I knew what I had to do to cope with and overcome my anxieties. I decided I had to do this because sadly the therapists I saw were of no help at all but that was quite a long time ago and I feel I was just unlucky.

What's the saying? You have to know your enemy if you're to defeat it? I think I've lived my enemy for so long now, I know all it's tricks so now I tell it to shut up when it tries to annoy me. I would never say that to anyone on here of course.:winks:

clio51
18-04-17, 23:31
Thanks for sharing your life story with us(well the anxiet/OCD side of it)

So many people suffer in different ways with it, but it mostly comes down to thoughts ��
And how they manage to get though to our mind and make us feel so ill.

If you could share exactly how you manage to do this, I'm sure there would be hundreds of listeners! Well readers.
I for one really suffer from thoughts that floor me sometimes with anxiety, no matter what I do. Keep busy, housework,gardening etc when I've stopped THEY raise there head again.
I try and say to myself. " No your not doing it to me again" but minutes later a frightening thought will pop up from nowhere! And the loop starts

Watching with interest

Bill
19-04-17, 05:25
it mostly comes down to thoughts ��
And how they manage to get though to our mind and make us feel so ill.

Probably a good starting point. Thoughts will always appear in our minds but of course not all make us feel so ill. If someone handed you a cute cuddly toy and when you squeezed it said very softly "Boo", you might say "Ahh that's so cute" but if the same cuddly toy transformed itself into a gremlin and screamed at you, you'd probably jump out of your skin. However, there is one thing they both have in common - they're both just cuddly toys which are both entirely harmless but because the gremlin appears frightening it will make you feel so ill.

It's the same with thoughts. We experience millions of thoughts through our lives and the vast majority we totally ignore. However, the thoughts that frighten us stick and that's Because they frighten us, and that's why we feel so ill when they surface. However, just like the cute toy and the gremlin which were both harmless cuddly toys, thoughts of any kind are all just harmless thoughts. The frightening thoughts only have power over us because to us they're frightening and that's the key.

Let's suppose you have a dog phobia. You just can't look at a dog without experiencing fear but the fear is so intense that you can't stop thinking about dogs and every time the thought surfaces, it sends you into a panic. A dog takes a physical form so to conquer the frightening thoughts would mean conquering the dog phobia by gradually building confidence by getting so close to a dog that you are able to touch it without feeling fear.

However, a lot of frightening thoughts are based on irrational worries which hold no physical form but in a sense, the same applies because you have to teach yourself to allow yourself to think the frightening thoughts without reacting to them just as you would in the end by touching a dog.

So, just for example, you're sitting quietly and you suddenly get a thought about going out the next day. You then start thinking what if you start feeling anxious, what if you panic, what if everyone notices etc. Just thinking all these worries makes your anxiety rocket so that when the next day comes you're already feeling so anxious that when you step out the door you start to panic. Fear creates fear.

So, going back to when you were sitting quietly, I feel there are more than one technique you could use 1) stop yourself thinking about it by training your mind to think about something positive such as thinking about the things you're looking forward to doing when you're out 2) get up and do something to distract your mind to stop it dwelling on the anxious thoughts. In that way you nip it in the bud. 3) learn a relaxation technique such as deep breathing to help you stay calm. And 4) which I feel is the key, is to be aware of how your body is reacting to the thought...

When we experience a frightening thought, the natural reaction is to tense up without realising it. You'll hold your stomach in, your muscles will become rigid and your breathing will become shallow and quicken. All these things can be stopped if instead of focusing on the thought, you focus on relaxing your body. For instance, there's the deep breathing...slow deep breaths to prevent panic, then there's releasing your stomach so it goes limp. It will be obvious to you when you think about your stomach that you're holding it in. You may also be clenching your teeth - Unclench them. Focus on each part of your body - your right arm, left arm etc. Make each part go limp to remove all tension. All of this is a relaxation exercise easily learnt.

However, the really important thing is to learn to treat every thought exactly the same by teaching the mind not to be afraid of them. You have to learn how to allow the thoughts to flow through you without reacting to them. For instance, if I gave you a picture of a cream cake, how will you react? If I gave you a picture of one of your frightening thoughts, how would you react? N doubt the latter would create fear but, again they both have one thing in common. They're both just pictures and they should be treated in exactly the same way. To overcome a fear means being able to pick up that picture and say to it "I don't care how you look, you're just a picture trying to scare me...but I'm not going to be afraid of you".

If a ghost said "Boo:scared15:", you could either scream and run...or you could stand there and say to it "So?...is that all you've got?" What do you think the ghost would do then?...Nothing. It's only power was in it's ability to frighten you. Now you've shown you're not afraid of it, it can't do anything more so it melts away and never comes back because it knows there's no point as it can't scare you.

Anxiety feeds on fear. Take away the fear and anxiety starves. I know that sounds easy but I know how frightening thoughts can be...and that's why it takes time to build confidence by re-wiring how you think and how you react to these thoughts...but they are just thoughts, and we can teach our minds to think of positive thoughts rather than dwelling on the negative thoughts that make us feel so ill.

Hope that helps a bit but please post more if you have further questions and I'll do my best to help.