View Full Version : The Manchester Attack What Should Be Done..
... About these extremists groups? What should all (because I think they should ALL be involved ) the parties be planning to do reduce/eradicate these mindless pathetic groups. And further more could technology play a bigger part in this? For Eg: on ITV news there was a shot of a training camp for one of these extremists groups while some ppl will be saying the terrain all looks very similar there will be differences. Google Earth could play a vital role in finding these terrorist camps Thousands of these mindless idiots could be traced too impossible No :) I feel very strongly about what's continuing to happen around the world and would love to hear other members views on this! Thanks Cheers
I don't think destroying a few terrorist camps or killing a bunch of them will make any difference, they will keep respawning with different names. You have to attack the source, which is Saudi Arabia and that's not going to happen as Trump has just signed a defence deal with them worth 100 billion. So they can keep spreading their ideology, last time i checked 80% of mosques in UK are funded by Saudis.
I don't think destroying a few terrorist camps or killing a bunch of them will make any difference, they will keep respawning with different names. You have to attack the source, which is Saudi Arabia and that's not going to happen as Trump has just signed a defence deal with them worth 100 billion. So they can keep spreading their ideology, last time i checked 80% of mosques in UK are funded by Saudis. I agree but the more camps that are taken down the better I mean look at the explosion with the mother or all bombs that America launched it was 11 Tonne (it may have been more) blew some tunnels up to me that was a waste of a good bomb that should have been used else where. It barely made any difference.
So then why aren't they concertraiting there efforts in Saudi Arabia if this is the source? It is with out a doubt a huge network scattered far and wide. There has been 3 more(since last night) emergency meetings with Cobra will it make any difference?? No I don't think it will personally.
It makes you wonder about these mosques that are every where in the uk while the majority of worshipers that go to these places are law abiding citizens, some may not be. And I still say wether ppl like or disliked Enoch Powell he was spot on with his speech. Cheers
MyNameIsTerry
24-05-17, 14:43
I don't think destroying a few terrorist camps or killing a bunch of them will make any difference, they will keep respawning with different names. You have to attack the source, which is Saudi Arabia and that's not going to happen as Trump has just signed a defence deal with them worth 100 billion. So they can keep spreading their ideology, last time i checked 80% of mosques in UK are funded by Saudis.
Same with every government. Trump is just following suit as are the UK. But we always do for money, look at Turkey.
It goes beyond this. How a country like Saudi can even get into a UN human rights meeting much less be put in charge of them is beyond belief.
The mosques here have got to police this and we have to be tough. The latter will only be hampered by any Liberals who would rather protect the human rights of the radicalised.
It can't be stopped, only reduced. It's no more able to be stopped than racism or other bigotry.
It's been going on since the beginning of mankind. I would imagine homo sapiens were considered terrorists by neanderthals and the Vikings or any other invading nation that reigned terror onto another would have been considered terrorists. Sadly, it's part of what humanity is. It's evolved as we've evolved... if you can say we've actually evolved :shrug:
In this case? Eradication is just not possible IMO. Control is limited. The world, for the most part, has implemented higher security measures but they'll find new ways to circumvent that. It's sad that there are armed guards to protect public schools and other facilities from attack but it's the world we live in.
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MyNameIsTerry
24-05-17, 15:23
Society evolves at different paces.
We can only hope that this happens with this issue but of course there are always going to be evil, power hungry men who seek to use others to fulfil their sick dreams.
We use the army when we need them. We had to at the Olympics and whenever the fire brigade strike, out come the green goddesses. So, it's more presence than anything.
We can never stop them all though.
The mosques here have got to police this and we have to be tough. The latter will only be hampered by any Liberals who would rather protect the human rights of the radicalised. .
I'll go even further and say the radicalised are being protected by the spooks. I mean why is every one of these radicals always "known to to the security services". The fact is the spooks have been using these radicals for a long time to overthrow legit governments in other countries. As always it's the innocent people that pay the price because of these games.
Society evolves at different paces.
We can only hope that this happens with this issue but of course there are always going to be evil, power hungry men who seek to use others to fulfil their sick dreams.
We use the army when we need them. We had to at the Olympics and whenever the fire brigade strike, out come the green goddesses. So, it's more presence than anything.
We can never stop them all though. Put it this way the good out strips the bad I think :) More can be done though tbh we are only scratching the surface on this. They have slipped in through the back door and they could be living next door to any one of us and we would never know :eek:
Power hungry well maybe In some ways it could be classed a cult thing, being indoctrinated by the leaders of all these extremist groups
very sad. Cheers
MyNameIsTerry
24-05-17, 15:49
I'll go even further and say the radicalised are being protected by the spooks. I mean why is every one of these radicals always "known to to the security services". The fact is the spooks have been using these radicals for a long time to overthrow legit governments in other countries. As always it's the innocent people that pay the price because of these games.
They say there are too many to police, which I can understand, but I can understand this too, that as you say we are involved with some very unpleasant people so they fall in & out of favour.
NI showed us this. Syria is re teaching us this, both sides are bad.
I guess it's easier for us to take the moral high ground as we don't deal in their complicated world. Look at furore about Russian meddling in US politics? Like we aren't all doing the same...:whistles:
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Put it this way the good out strips the bad I think :) More can be done though tbh we are only scratching the surface on this. They have slipped in through the back door and they could be living next door to any one of us and we would never know :eek:
Power hungry well maybe In some ways it could be classed a cult thing, being indoctrinated by the leaders of all these extremist groups
very sad. Cheers
Absolutely! We've just got to keep being normal people with each other and not seeing enemies of each other. We can do our part in keeping our relationships with people from other cultures accepting. This will never stop the nutters, that's a different problem, but it prevents us adding fuel to it.
The mosques need to do their bit in promoting understanding of us to those coming from less multicultural societies and removing these nastier areas of religion (just like with other religions) so that there is nowhere for these radicals outside of their strongholds.
It will never completely go though.
There's more that could/should be done in light of this terrible attack in Manchester. 1 While I said it before I will say it again. Social Media plays a big role in this and by not closing all these extremists accounts down once and for all only encourages these extremists to flourish. Every single account should be closed down now, not next week or when the red tape has been gone through and was discussed on This Week programme early on in the week. This should be top priority. As for trump and may who meet yesterday in the new building (I forget what it's called) But Trump made a valid point about article 5 on the wall of the new building some countries aren't helping and need to pay in and haven't paid in for years. And as for the Americans releasing pics of the attack this was very wrong and may had every right to challenge this. The fight continues
Update a man was arrested in Nuneaton yesterday as it's claimed he was involved in the attack in Manchester wether it was helping to plan or make the bomb he now should be deported and locked away for life it's as simple as that.
And another man was found climbing down storm drain to blow up a train at a nearby station he was caught because members of the public saw what was happening and reported it to the police who caught him Cheers
How do we know that the spooks themselves are not running these extremists accounts? i remember reading about one alleged isis member on twitter posting from somewhere in asia but it was traced back to a guy in US. Another one pretending to be a lesbian in Syria and posting against Syrian government but it was being run by another guy in US.
I agree with you all the arrested radicals should be deported but i doubt it, they will probably be recruited by the spooks for future use.
How do we know that the spooks themselves are not running these extremists accounts? i remember reading about one alleged isis member on twitter posting from somewhere in asia but it was traced back to a guy in US. Another one pretending to be a lesbian in Syria and posting against Syrian government but it was being run by another guy in US.
I agree with you all the arrested radicals should be deported but i doubt it, they will probably be recruited by the spooks for future use.Sure and by reading your post it's horrifying to read what you have put. and it's true we aren't talking about a few hundred accounts 10's of thousands accounts it's makes me ill to think about it :eek: Yes even if they only played a small part in any planned attack they should be gone probably wont though because of Human RIghts groups who wants to protect them after all they are human right? NOT Cheers
MyNameIsTerry
04-06-17, 01:35
How many more of these attacks are we going to have?
Well done to the police. Hopefully they will be supported by all.
Terry there's no denying that these attacks are coming from the Nation of Islam. President Trump is trying to get a handle on the situation by temporarily curtailing travel from 7 countries deemed as part of the terrorist problem. But Obama appointed liberal judges are slowing him down. Fortunately the US Supreme Court has just expedited the appeals process to hear the case. Imagine judges keeping a nations leader from protecting his own country and it's citizens.
My heart goes out to the British people...again.
N.
MyNameIsTerry
04-06-17, 05:18
N, I'm just waiting for the old "they were on the watch list" to come out. They prioritise the most threatening but how is that working?
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The prayers & support thread is here in case anyone misses it from the name as it's about the world:
http://www.nomorepanic.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1683830#post1683830
I only knew about a bit of this last night via a friend's Pm, I am now watching it unfold on BBC 1. It's only a fortnight since the Manchester attack happened:mad: , and yet another emergency COBRA Meeting today,what will that solve?? And more to the point FB/Twitter must actively close all known terrorists accounts down, big task hmm may be but it has to start and now not week because of red tape and legalities And yes Terry you could almost place a bet on that that these attacks were known to the authorities and on the 'list' another sad day for the people of Britain Cheers
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Just listened to May's statement after the Cobra meeting and a few things bother's me she said if we need to raise the length of custodial sentences for crimes of this nature we may do, how ever small the involvement in crimes like this. Sorry disagree sentences must be life with no remission what so ever! Secondly she says we must tackle the safe space on line which is a huge breeding ground for these Islamic groups totally agree May on this so why aren't you now in talks with ISP's ( I have no problem with any security forces looking at my emails etc) and with major SN sites please stop talking about it and get on with the job in hand. And there may well me more military involvement from the uk going to war in Syria etc etc. Cheers
bottleblond
04-06-17, 14:46
I think it's really worrying about this evenings Massive Manchester gig. I know security will be on point but people will be travelling from all over the UK to attend this and the terrorists are now attacking in vehicles etc. I just hope none of them slip past security because the outcome doesn't bare thinking about.
Good Luck Manchester. :hugs:
So true bb :) To everyone going have a good time stay safe:hugs:Cheers
MyNameIsTerry
04-06-17, 16:35
May has a manifesto pledge about regulating the internet. Providing it is carefully controlled and not a government tool, it seems like a good idea. But it's a big job and the companies will be against it just as the police have found with Facebook & Twitter.
Some people think the internet is a free place where you should be able to be free of government. The trouble with that is that you open the door to criminals and people with no morals...and the nutjobs. Protecting our children should be a priority and yet one seen people arguing against stopping them accessing porn! :doh:
Mention control and people bang on about communism, China, etc. Come on, so we do nothing? We are slowly moving towards it by arresting those who make threats online (about time too!) and introducing laws about trolling. So, why not do something about the dark web? The ASA already make judgements about UK sites and escalate to Ofcom & Trading Standards.
The Snoopers Charter is currently on hold, Dave. It passed UK law with a majority in the Commons but someone took it to the ECJ who ruled it was illegal. There is a case to determine whether the ECJ ruling is lawful now.
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The trouble with life sentences is it means putting people away "just in case" and that translates into many cases outside of terrorism.
Also, I would rather not pay for them to be looked after in our soft jails if we can deport them to a hell hole abroad. But what about the home grown?
The prison service are telling us prisons are breeding more of these nutjobs by allowing them to be together inside and convert others.
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The prayers & support thread is here in case anyone misses it from the name as it's about the world:
http://www.nomorepanic.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1683830#post1683830
Giving it a bump.
May has a manifesto pledge about regulating the internet. Providing it is carefully controlled and not a government tool, it seems like a good idea. But it's a big job and the companies will be against it just as the police have found with Facebook & Twitter.
Some people think the internet is a free place where you should be able to be free of government. The trouble with that is that you open the door to criminals and people with no morals...and the nutjobs. Protecting our children should be a priority and yet one seen people arguing against stopping them accessing porn! :doh:
Mention control and people bang on about communism, China, etc. Come on, so we do nothing? We are slowly moving towards it by arresting those who make threats online (about time too!) and introducing laws about trolling. So, why not do something about the dark web? The ASA already make judgements about UK sites and escalate to Ofcom & Trading Standards.
The Snoopers Charter is currently on hold, Dave. It passed UK law with a majority in the Commons but someone took it to the ECJ who ruled it was illegal. There is a case to determine whether the ECJ ruling is lawful now.
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The trouble with life sentences is it means putting people away "just in case" and that translates into many cases outside of terrorism.
Also, I would rather not pay for them to be looked after in our soft jails if we can deport them to a hell hole abroad. But what about the home grown?
The prison service are telling us prisons are breeding more of these nutjobs by allowing them to be together inside and convert others.
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Giving it a bump.Which is a good thing, but if May doesn't get in then what? I believe all parties now should all agree on this. It's long over due in my book and as for the Dark web it's very difficult because of the high levels of encryption, prehaps if know hackers could get paid to hack in to it then this would go a long way too. Actually FB/Twitter don't give a stuff what they think I hope the government will really go to town on these sites but it's not a thing that wants dealing with in a few months, it wants dealing with now simple rush through new laws believe it can be done.!!Hope it wont be to long regarding this charter thing iam all for it :yesyes: What is the EJC some European dept controlled by Brussels?
Yes can see where you are coming from Terry and as for home grown simply deport them yes I know it's a long process well new laws should be passed meaning they can be deported quickly etc :) Cheers
MyNameIsTerry
04-06-17, 17:41
But deport to where? If they are born here no country is going to take them as they are our people. Why would they? Short of an Escape From New York prison.
You won't get laws through quickly or ones that give too much power to the state in a liberal society like ours. We value our liberty more than our lives. I'm not sure what we can do. Internment creates more haters and brings the far left closer to defending them. More cops on them will likely bring the same from the far left. And if Corbyn gets in I can't see much of anything happening.
The ECJ is the EU Court.
It's quite easy to access the dark web via even Google Images or Google in general. How can they tackle that to block them out of their algorithms? Shutting them down is impossible since they will just operate out of a sympathetic country. So, blocking them out may be a different question? But someone will drone on about the right to access whatever vile stuff we want to.
Big question marks over Teresa May's ability to deal with this. She was a disaster as the Home Secretary failing to meet her immigration targets, supplying the terrorists in Libya with weapons to overthrow Gaddafi and now wants to the same thing in Syria. Can she be trusted with policing the internet? I don't think so. What's her definition of extremism? I doubt if it only includes "islamic extremism" that's probably just the start.
If She's serious about this then immediately stop trying to overthrow the government in Syria, deport all terrorists and their friends to Syria, Assad and Putin will take care of them without charge. This would be a good start but it's too little too late now.
But deport to where? If they are born here no country is going to take them as they are our people. Why would they? Short of an Escape From New York prison.
You won't get laws through quickly or ones that give too much power to the state in a liberal society like ours. We value our liberty more than our lives. I'm not sure what we can do. Internment creates more haters and brings the far left closer to defending them. More cops on them will likely bring the same from the far left. And if Corbyn gets in I can't see much of anything happening.
The ECJ is the EU Court.
It's quite easy to access the dark web via even Google Images or Google in general. How can they tackle that to block them out of their algorithms? Shutting them down is impossible since they will just operate out of a sympathetic country. So, blocking them out may be a different question? But someone will drone on about the right to access whatever vile stuff we want to. True but and it does happen if other family members are living in another country like in the case of the Manchester gig attack then that's a possible answer isn't? As for whole family's living in this country then that's a different matter what a bloody mess eh?
I think it's a long road ahead on this Terry sadly. As for the ECJ I did think it was some high up dept(which it is) that can still control us and after we do leave the EU in less than 2 years time will the ECJ still be able to rule us in these matters?
On another matter but still partly related to all of this I believe there is a fee that we will pay for leaving the EU if this is the case think this money should be used towards the fight on terrorism after all Merkel is moved by what's happened it's been a global issue for a few years now And tbh it's getting out of hand now so glad I am not start off a child in a very uncertain world ahh Cheers
MyNameIsTerry
04-06-17, 21:29
The prayers & support thread is here in case anyone misses it from the name as it's about the world:
http://www.nomorepanic.co.uk/showthread.php?p=1683830#post1683830
Giving it a bump.
Should fines be introduced to big companies that own FB/Twitter etc and does this go far enough to remove hatred matieral content in my mind no it doesn't Security forces etc must have the power to take down these posts especially owners of such sites seemed slow to act, and tech can also play a part in this think the term used is Algorithoms where words and phases would flag up dangerous posts etc and no warnings should be given to the person or groups involved accounts should be closed down. it's really time to take action and now! Cheers
I don't think more "surveillance" and snooping using algorithms is the answer. Intelligence agencies were already aware of the so-called "bomber" and are aware of many more potential "terrorists". I agree hate crimes and hate in general should not be tolerated but algorithms cannot join the dots and determine the wheat from the chaff. There are millions of people currently using a high frequency of keywords relating to terrorist events. Also there is the issue of privacy. If our privacy and freedom to express different opinions is to be monitored then there is no privacy, is there? And is that not the ultimate goal of the terrorists? To take away our freedoms and liberty? Reacting with fear to all this is in one way unavoidable but we also need to be aware of keeping things in perspective and not reacting in a knee-jerk fashion. If people come across "hate preaching" on the internet, it should be reported. Then the responsibility of the individual is also exercised rather than just shouting "something should be done!" and expecting others to do it.
I just want to apologize for the nonsense the POTUS is Tweeting. I'm embarrassed and sad that he's using this tragedy to further fear and politics. My sincerest best wishes to the those affected by this act of inhumanity.
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I just want to apologize for the nonsense the POTUS is Tweeting. I'm embarrassed and sad that he's using this tragedy to further fear and politics. My sincerest best wishes to the those affected by this act of inhumanity.
Positive thoughts I am sorry to hear this Fishmanpa has his tweets been reported or isn't it that bad that it needs reporting? Some people eh. Actually this was mentioned in work to day Iam absolutely gobsmacked 12,000 likes WTF is going on that account should be closed and posts should be removed.Even if that other person hasn't got any likes Cheers
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I don't think more "surveillance" and snooping using algorithms is the answer. Intelligence agencies were already aware of the so-called "bomber" and are aware of many more potential "terrorists". I agree hate crimes and hate in general should not be tolerated but algorithms cannot join the dots and determine the wheat from the chaff. There are millions of people currently using a high frequency of keywords relating to terrorist events. Also there is the issue of privacy. If our privacy and freedom to express different opinions is to be monitored then there is no privacy, is there? And is that not the ultimate goal of the terrorists? To take away our freedoms and liberty? Reacting with fear to all this is in one way unavoidable but we also need to be aware of keeping things in perspective and not reacting in a knee-jerk fashion. If people come across "hate preaching" on the internet, it should be reported. Then the responsibility of the individual is also exercised rather than just shouting "something should be done!" and expecting others to do it. Yes,but how many that are known to the agencies etc slip through the net? Like the Guy who drove the Van in this latest attack he was know for years by the various agencies like MI5 etc I tell you something else there was even a doc on channel 4 not too long ago The Jihadist next door same Guy who drove the van in the last attack on London openly boasting, bragging about hate etc he should have been picked up then this sucks big time folks, which begs the question should they be tagged and monitored? As like Terry has said in a previous post that often they are 'known' to the agencies but seem to get passed by most of them now seem to be home grown on our soil which in a way should make it easier we need to look more closely on our shores. How many more will slip away un checked because of if's and buts??? Cheers
[/COLOR] Yes,but how many that are known to the agencies etc slip through the net? which begs the question should they be tagged and monitored? As like Terry has said in a previous post that often they are 'known' to the agencies but seem to get passed by most of them now seem to be home grown on our soil which in a way should make it easier we need to look more closely on our shores. Cheers
If they are known to the "agencies", then that is a different matter, and I think they should be monitored and if necessary even kept in custody if they are deemed a danger to society. I have no issue with dealing harshly with someone who has shown evidence of planning to commit acts of terrorism. Perhaps if that had been the case with the Manchester "bomber" this atrocity could have been prevented... And these are questions which should be asked.
MyNameIsTerry
05-06-17, 17:22
If we determine someone is a threat and put them in custody, how long for? It's going to be a lifetime surely? Human rights groups will instantly campaign against this.
But it presents a further issue, why just terrorism? Do we then start putting potential murderers in jail too? This is the argument the government will face.
I'm not saying it's wrong or right but in our liberal society I don't think we would be willing to let the government start imprisoning us when we haven't committed the crime just in case we might.
If we don't want to clamp down on the Internet, we won't go for more extreme actions like this.
Temporary holding whilst under investigation is more sensible but didn't that get defeated when Labour raised it? (90 day hold?)
The Internet needs more control or more ability to take action. Just look at the anxiety gurus flogging their "cures" and how they can't be stopped. The ASA are powerless and the gurus just host outside the UK so it's out of their jurisdiction. The mutual agreement between their equivalents in other countries doesn't work. (To answer your question on ads on the advertising thread, Dave).
But for me, Internet regulation needs to be very carefully legislated and have the courts able to prevent government abusing it.
The funny thing is, for a year now I've seen people complaining that the media need taking control of (printing that judges are our enemy being a good example) and the possibility of media control online has the same people complaining about freedom of expression. This is the exact issue that will be faced by imprisonment.
It's a tough issue and there just won't be an agreement by we plebs on it.
Labour wants more police. That won't do anything unless you staff up the intelligence community. The Westminster incident alone proves bobbies achieve nothing. But you could argue how the armed response saved lives in the most recent event...but Labour won't be putting more armed police out there, not under Corbyn.
There are terrorism laws in place, and if there is evidence, the suspect will be sent to a court, and if found guilty, a sentence will be passed. It's the same for any other criminal offence. And I don't believe prison should just be a place for detention: there should be a focus on reform, and there are currently "de-radicalisation" programmes devised by psychologists which should be utilised.
But the ideological side of this (as opposed to the action of directly playing out this ideology) is far more difficult to police. It brings into question what a "hate crime" constitutes and there can be grey areas between this and free speech. Hence why I do not believe algorithms can ever solve this issue. If the current status quo of "surveillance" is flagging up individuals, yet their movements are being left unrestricted and they proceed to act out their violence, then this is a failure of the "authorities". There have been reports that even the parents of some individuals have reported the worrying "radicalisation" of their children, yet there was ostensibly a failure to take preventative "action" - whatever form that should have been.
If the current status quo of "surveillance" is flagging up individuals, yet their movements are being left unrestricted and they proceed to act out their violence, then this is a failure of the "authorities". There have been reports that even the parents of some individuals have reported the worrying "radicalisation" of their children, yet there was ostensibly a failure to take preventative "action" - whatever form that should have been.
That's the elephant in the room isn't it? Time & time again these radicals are known to the "authorities" not just the attacks in Britain but across Europe. There is evidence out there which suggests that a lot of these crazies are on the payroll of the intelligence agencies. Are they being let loose on joe public on purpose or have the spooks lost control over them. You wouldn't be allowed to ask these questions if the hate speech laws are passed.
That's the elephant in the room isn't it? Time & time again these radicals are known to the "authorities" not just the attacks in Britain but across Europe. There is evidence out there which suggests that a lot of these crazies are on the payroll of the intelligence agencies. Are they being let loose on joe public on purpose or have the spooks lost control over them. You wouldn't be allowed to ask these questions if the hate speech laws are passed.
I agree. There are many questions that need to be asked which depend on the freedom we have to ask them without being caught in the same trap ourselves and subsequently silenced.
Benjamin Franklin said something to the affect of:
Those who will sacrifice freedom for security will not get nor deserve either.
There may be some truth in that.
Benjamin Franklin said something to the affect of:
Those who will sacrifice freedom for security will not get nor deserve either.
There may be some truth in that.
Hell of a quote N....
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Yeah the guy was brilliant.
MyNameIsTerry
06-06-17, 01:52
Wasn't that about a rich family buying their way out of taxes? If so, I think accountants have moved on since :winks: Our ast PM is certainly a bit richer for it.
But the point is certainly relevant. You never want to give too much away to any government. We aren't giving it away to the most moral of souls so it will be corrupted by some.
[QUOTE=KK2613;1684206]If they are known to the "agencies", then that is a different matter, and I think they should be monitored and if necessary even kept in custody if they are deemed a danger to society. I have no issue with dealing harshly with someone who has shown evidence of planning to commit acts of terrorism. Perhaps if that had been the case with the Manchester "bomber" this atrocity could have been prevented... And these are questions which should be asked.[/QUOTE Well Guess what heard the news last night and I have edited my previous reply to you I am shocked by what I had heard.On page 3 reply #29 Cheers
Are gullible members of the public being exploited by some of those claiming to be "witnesses" to these attacks? I have seen some of their interviews on youtube and tbh their body language is very dodgy and the their stories seem to be a bit far fetched. For example a couple are claiming that they were blown 20 feet away by the blasts and are lucky to be alive but i don't see any visible injuries on them. I know emotions are running high during these times but I would hate for people to be conned into donating to some of these gofundme pages that are being setup. Maybe the authorities concerned should verify the stories being told by some of these witnesses.
Also last night on Central News apparently some 'sensitive' and 'important documents were stolen from a car alleged to be the Head of the security forces,but it's not confirmed this is serious stuff :eek: Cheers
MyNameIsTerry
06-06-17, 16:42
Are gullible members of the public being exploited by some of those claiming to be "witnesses" to these attacks? I have seen some of their interviews on youtube and tbh their body language is very dodgy and the their stories seem to be a bit far fetched. For example a couple are claiming that they were blown 20 feet away by the blasts and are lucky to be alive but i don't see any visible injuries on them. I know emotions are running high during these times but I would hate for people to be conned into donating to some of these gofundme pages that are being setup. Maybe the authorities concerned should verify the stories being told by some of these witnesses.
Absolutely, give no money to people unless you see a registered charity. Just look at ticket claims at Manchester. There is an irony in where your money could be going, aside from other criminals. The genuine ones will be high profile.
Some will be duped. Just look how they get conned for much less.
Also last night on Central News apparently some 'sensitive' and 'important documents were stolen from a car alleged to be the Head of the security forces,but it's not confirmed this is serious stuff :eek: Cheers
Hey Big Boy - If it's anything like here I wouldn't worry too much about the missing documents...they'll show up in the news media any day now.
N.
Hey Big Boy - If it's anything like here I wouldn't worry too much about the missing documents...they'll show up in the news media any day now.
N. Even so it's a very bad mistake to have made, if it is the head of the security forces he wont even get told off. The docs may have been to do with the recent attacks it makes you wonder doesn't it? Cheers
It sure does friend. It's really bad here. To steal a line from Wilfred Brimley - the last time there were this many leaks Noah built a boat. The FBI just arrested a 25 year old woman for leaking classified information to a media outlet. Hopefully the new administration starts to lock people up for these traitorous acts.
N.
MyNameIsTerry
06-06-17, 17:41
It sure does friend. It's really bad here. To steal a line from Wilfred Brimley - the last time there were this many leaks Noah built a boat. The FBI just arrested a 25 year old woman for leaking classified information to a media outlet. Hopefully the new administration starts to lock people up for these traitorous acts.
N.
A few years in the pen, a book deal and then a film :yesyes::winks:
Haha! Like...Kathy Griffin...The Movie...?
MyNameIsTerry
06-06-17, 23:44
She just makes me think of Family Guy! :biggrin:
She just makes me think of Family Guy! :biggrin:
Perfect! :yesyes:
MyNameIsTerry
07-06-17, 02:10
Also last night on Central News apparently some 'sensitive' and 'important documents were stolen from a car alleged to be the Head of the security forces,but it's not confirmed this is serious stuff :eek: Cheers
No one's infallible, just look at Cameron & that infamous pub event. :winks:
The standard of spooks is definately in decline. First a train, now a car. Where next, in a Starbucks? :scared15::scared15::scared15:
Believe it or not When I'm in Starbucks I keep my eyes opened. There's a lot of backpacks in there.
The solution appears obvious.
One, is to bring back internment without trial and put radicalised Muslims in facilities run by s private security firm.
Two, take a page outtakes Israels book and resettle all Muslims in a deprived part of the country, say Trent Valley or Humberside. Then build an electrocuted fence round it.
National security is far more important than personal freedoms.
Vote UKIP
Cheers
MyNameIsTerry
07-06-17, 02:23
I don't go in there, N. I liked the comedian Sean Locke saying (after the tax avoidance issue came to light) "next time you go in Starbucks and they ask you what you want drawing in your frothy coffee, reply 'tax payer'" :yesyes::roflmao:
Our GE is tomorrow. My dad sent his back weeks ago so I asked him if he noticed any men in long coats looking shifty replying "good morning, comrade" to everyone posting them. :biggrin: (that and going around the corner and having a sneak peak in case Putin had his hands in the box :roflmao:)
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The solution appears obvious.
One, is to bring back internment without trial and put radicalised Muslims in facilities run by s private security firm.
Two, take a page outtakes Israels book and resettle all Muslims in a deprived part of the country, say Trent Valley or Humberside. Then build an electrocuted fence round it.
National security is far more important than personal freedoms.
Vote UKIP
Cheers
What, put them on my doorstep? Why not London? Did you miss off the gun turrets? :winks:
(I feel I have to point out that was a joke, I'm not approving of it...which means by saying "I am not approving of this" means someone is bound to think I am :biggrin:)
Okay...me and Starbucks...I know it doesn't add up. When I go there I always speak English...small med or large coffee...never:
Short (8 fl. oz.)
Tall (12 fl. oz.)
Grande (16 fl. oz.)
Venti® Hot (20 fl. oz.)
Venti® Cold (24 fl. oz.)
Trenta
Females seem to like it so that's a plus. And I'm a fairly gregarious soul so striking up a conversation is always nice. My work friends go there. The coffee is tolerable but a little pricey. And wearing my MAGA hat is always a total hoot. Though believe it or not McDonald's coffee is better and is only a buck for any size...but there's always the temptation of a Big Mac and a Large order of fries.
Okay...me and Starbucks...I know it doesn't add up. When I go there I always speak English...small med or large coffee...never:
Short (8 fl. oz.)
Tall (12 fl. oz.)
Grande (16 fl. oz.)
Venti® Hot (20 fl. oz.)
Venti® Cold (24 fl. oz.)
Trenta
Females seem to like it so that's a plus. And I'm a fairly gregarious soul so striking up a conversation is always nice. My work friends go there. The coffee is tolerable but a little pricey. And wearing my MAGA hat is always a total hoot. Though believe it or not McDonald's coffee is better and is only a buck for any size...but there's always the temptation of a Big Mac and a Large order of fries.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.foodworldnews.com/amp/articles/58835/20151127/starbucks-semen-fda-investigating-starbucks-after-semen-found-pumpkin-spice-latte.htm
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.foodworldnews.com/amp/articles/58835/20151127/starbucks-semen-fda-investigating-starbucks-after-semen-found-pumpkin-spice-latte.htm
Hollow!
Hahaha...I'll have you know I had nothing to do with the "manufacture" of those Pumpkin Spice Lattes! No wonder the ladies like Starbucks!
Though that does lend a whole new spin on the question - would you like "cream" in your coffee?:roflmao:
The solution appears obvious.
One, is to bring back internment without trial and put radicalised Muslims in facilities run by s private security firm.
Two, take a page outtakes Israels book and resettle all Muslims in a deprived part of the country, say Trent Valley or Humberside. Then build an electrocuted fence round it.
National security is far more important than personal freedoms.
Vote UKIP
Cheers Better security is paramount and essential but not via a private security firm look at G4 who manage some of the prisons in the uk nah wouldn't work. I mean one of the 3 attackers was stopped in Austraila and was not allowed to continue his journey as he was a risk and put on the EU list of known people that pose a threat the guy came back to the Uk and then went on to commit these henous crimes it's a disgrace and lets down all the people who have lost family or loved ones. And yet another attack this time out side the Notre Dam church (no bomb this time) just a hammer was used he was shot and not killed more the pity and his words were this is for Syria what a idiot. Not sure which way to vote May clearly states what she intends to do if she gets in which seems good on the surface like she will look at changing the human rights laws etc amongst other things, but can she be trusted?? As when she was home secractary 20.000 officers were cut so difficult decision in some ways. Cheers
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I didn't know this had turned in to a thread about coffee folks, more input is needed on what can or should be done Cheers :)
MyNameIsTerry
08-06-17, 01:14
Scary for the Aussies that they were there.
Another church attack in France? I thought I heard about gunshots there when it was happening but I've been away from the news since. Well, hopefully the hammer can be used in interrogation.
Cops don't stop terrorism, Dave. They could put the army on the streets everyday and it won't stop these attacks. The only way is through the intelligence service and tough measures when they find things. Human rights groups will fight it all the way for the same reasons people don't want action on the internet, it is open to government abuse. So, we end up in limbo.
Labour are pledging more cops. But if that's outside of intelligence, they are largely for normal policing and will have potentially no impact. But that's just how manifesto carrots work, isn't it?
Do you think the Labour leadership will be willing to take more strict measures? Pulling us out of the ME won't stop all this, that ship sailed long ago and aren't countries with no involvement in anything to do with the ME getting attacked? ISIS themselves wouldn't stop anyway.
I just can't see Labour getting heavy on this. Not under the current leadership. Anyway, I doubt the arms sales will stop...we all deal with bad people.
Scary for the Aussies that they were there.
Another church attack in France? I thought I heard about gunshots there when it was happening but I've been away from the news since. Well, hopefully the hammer can be used in interrogation.
Cops don't stop terrorism, Dave. They could put the army on the streets everyday and it won't stop these attacks. The only way is through the intelligence service and tough measures when they find things. Human rights groups will fight it all the way for the same reasons people don't want action on the internet, it is open to government abuse. So, we end up in limbo.
Labour are pledging more cops. But if that's outside of intelligence, they are largely for normal policing and will have potentially no impact. But that's just how manifesto carrots work, isn't it?
Do you think the Labour leadership will be willing to take more strict measures? Pulling us out of the ME won't stop all this, that ship sailed long ago and aren't countries with no involvement in anything to do with the ME getting attacked? ISIS themselves wouldn't stop anyway.
I just can't see Labour getting heavy on this. Not under the current leadership. Anyway, I doubt the arms sales will stop...we all deal with bad people. Yes sadly another mindless attack. The gun shots were the police opening fire on this monster, sure I agree with what you say about the cops think the some of the ways intelligence is dealt with should be reviewed as (while they do a very difficult job) they could do better listen Iam a cleaner if I don't do my job correctly like forgetting to empty bins or not mopping a floor I could simply get the sack. Like If other countries stop some one from flying there must be a very good reason why and to be put on EU Data base register for terrorists should have set alarm bells ringing when he got back in uk but he was left alone to get on with his life. And the last bomb attack in London that man in that doc went on to kill 8 innocent people why wasn't he stopped, didn't he pose a threat to the uk?? He boasted on the doc about his passion for ISIS etc, no sorry lessons need to be learned from the catalogue of mistakes (costly ones at that) if we are going to move forward . Cheers
MyNameIsTerry
09-06-17, 05:47
18th suspect arrested in the London attack Dave. Breaking news on the BBC.
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Dave, my seat has changed to Tory. It's a Labour stronghold and has been Labour since before 1945!
It looks like the Central and North seats are loosing their grip too. The North is quite close to losing to the Tories at the next election if the swing continues.
I'm stunned! It might be a good thing for us, Labour haven't been making our city much better for a long time and perhaps a big kick up the backside is needed?
But I do know the North MP sounds good as she actually helps the local people unlike mine who is apparently registered less than a mile from me yet is never heard of outside of Stoke. Mine sat back and watched 600 jobs go, lied about not knowing it was on the cards before and The Sentinel busted him.
The North one helped my GF'S family sort out a local waste issue very quickly (drug needles), wrote back and later sent them a Xmas card! You remember personal touches like that. I would be happy with someone like that who helps the locals.
Yeah that's quite a few really trouble is they aren't loners as such while the attacks may be by a single mindless etc thing (cant say person) it may require many more involved in the process, most are released on bail I find that very stupid given the mind sets of them
at least tag and monitor them. Yes some candidates really don't do much many just shoved their leaflets through letter boxes and went on their way. That North one seems to have done a lot and yes you do remember the little touches that can mean so much.
And a hung parliament too so what next best answer that on EU Thread :)Cheers
"Most terrorists are false flag terrorists, or are created by our security services." Robert Steele - Former CIA Clandestine Services Officer
"Most terrorists are false flag terrorists, or are created by our security services." Robert Steele - Former CIA Clandestine Services OfficerReally that does surprize me, Any links to this? Cheers
Really that does surprize me, Any links to this? Cheers
I came across this quote when I was reading a little known blog.
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