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vincy
09-06-17, 19:13
Hi guys. I've been a freaking mess the last week.

I'll start with this.

I've always had twitches in my right butt cheek, for as long as I can remember.

During a period of markedly high stress in mid-January, it was twitching more and more. I decided to google the cause of muscle twitching. You guys know how it goes from there.

I saw ALS, and instantly started twitching everywhere. Whole body, nonstop. This made me think I have ALS.

I made an appointment 2 weeks later with my primary care dr, my psychologist, and made an appointment to get an EMG since google said that's what I needed to rule that disease out.

Primary care dr. said I was fine. Psychologist said that that was textbook anxiety. EMG and NCV done on my right arm and leg were perfectly normal.

My anxiety calmed down a little bit, but not fully. About a month ago, I started freaking out again because I couldn't stay off google, and I kept making more symptoms for myself. I'd read a story about someone whose first symptoms were trouble swallowing, and then I felt like I couldn't swallow for the next day or two. Then I'd read someone's story about how they had this super-rare respiratory onset version, and I'd feel like I couldn't breathe for the next couple days.

I went back to a neurologist who specializes in neuromuscular diseases in my area. The best neurologist around, unless I drove all the way to my college to see their ALS specialists. He gave me a clinical exam, and everything was perfect. He ordered some blood tests, too, and thats where I started to panic.

One blood test, CK (Creatine Kinase), came back extremely high. Normal ranges are about 60-240 U/L. Mine was 3321 U/L. The secretary from his office called and said that he wanted another EMG.

I FREAKED out because I thought he must suspect something then. Not thinking, I assumed it just HAD to be ALS he was worried about. After some research, though, I found out was CK is. It is a sign of muscle damage, and while sometimes associated with things like muscular dystrophy, it is NOT associated with anything like ALS (at least not when it is that elevated).

I quickly found that my elevated CK level is almost SURELY from this (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23354236).

Anywho. I was still extremely nervous about this EMG. This neuro was really good, and he had to have requested it for a reason (he just wanted to see if he could find why my CK was so high)

So as I'm laying down for him to start the EMG, I say "so after this will you be able to tell me I don't have ALS or anything like that to rest my mind?"

he replies, "ALS? Why would you be thinking about ALS?"

*short pause*

"Ah. You've been reading haven't you. Stop it. Trust me. That isn't even something we're considering."

Anyways. He did nerve conduction in all 4 limbs, and the needle EMG he did all 4 limbs, several spots each, as well as various spots on my trunk and neck. He did it so thoroughly because, he said, the elevated CK could be due to something that is pretty localized so he wanted to check everywhere to make sure. Afterwards, he told me that I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT have ALS. That isn't something under consideration. All the nerves in my whole body are perfect.

After this though, I couldn't stop googling, despite being pretty reassured. Then, I got to some stories about people whose bulbar onset ALS was somehow missed on their EMGs.

When I get extremely anxious, nearing panic attack, I have a habit of clenching my jaw very hard and also pressing my tongue against the roof of my mouth super hard. I had been doing this for more than 24 hours leading up to the EMG. The day after the EMG, I woke up, tongue sore as can be. I then started inspecting it to make sure I didn't have some kind of tongue symptoms that I should be worried about.

Since that point, I've been hyperaware of my tongue. It doesn't feel like it is ever sitting in the right place in my mouth, and I can't stop thinking about it. The part that is really messing with me, though, is that I feel like I'm not saying my words right, but I have asked 10+ people several times each, and everyone says I am talking EXACTLY the same as I always do.

I have about as strong a confirmation that I DO NOT have ALS as I can get, but I just keep moving on from symptom to symptom that I'm SURE is all chalked up to anxiety.


My psychologist is definitely helping me with stopping the trend of moving on to symptom to symptom and having my anxiety make it real, but I don't know what to do right now.

Does anyone else ever get hyperaware of their tongue like this? Did it cause problems speaking (whether real or in your head?) How did you stop?

Also, my tongue quivers a LOT when I hold it in this really specific position. Anyone else who has excessively examined their tongues due to ALS fears or something similar, did you ever find your tongue to quiver A LOT, almost to the point of looking similar to actual ALS patients tongue fasciculations, if you held it in a certain position? My tongue doesn't do anything at rest, and is relatively still when sticking it all the way out, so I know that it isn't actually fasciculations, but I still don't like seeing the way it quivers. Part of my fixation on my tongue is that since I know I am moving it in weird spots in my mouth, I sit there imagining it quivering looking crazy like it does in that spot, and it makes the problem worse.


Really, any comments from anybody on this will help me out. I have truly been letting my anxiety ruin my life since January. I don't leave my house much anymore. I have felt uncomfortable hanging out with my friends because all I am able to imagine, nonstop, is me slowly wasting away. I will greatly appreciate anything you guys have for me

Thank you,

Vinny

axolotl
09-06-17, 22:39
What is it with 19 year old ALS worriers tonight? As I posted on another thread...


For a 19 year old, ALS is something so vanishingly unlikely it shouldn't even be on your radar. Please get it out of your head and leave that particular rabbit warren alone.

And also:

Twitching is a common anxiety symptom that is only a presenting ALS symptom in a fantasy made up version of ALS made up by Health Anxiety sufferers.

See this amazing thread (http://www.nomorepanic.co.uk/showthread.php?t=196071) for even more reassurance.

vincy
09-06-17, 23:17
What is it with 19 year old ALS worriers tonight? As I posted on another thread...



And also:

Twitching is a common anxiety symptom that is only a presenting ALS symptom in a fantasy made up version of ALS made up by Health Anxiety sufferers.

See this amazing thread (http://www.nomorepanic.co.uk/showthread.php?t=196071) for even more reassurance.

Merp. I've seen that same post stickied on alsforums ;\

I just keep going from symptom to symptom. Now I am convinced that my smile and lips are different than they used to be. My smile is just so much more asymmetrical than I remember it. I just keep looking at my smile thinking something is wrong. I can't stop!

nivekc251
09-06-17, 23:23
The twitching from ALS comes from dying motor nerves. So if it's twitching and you can move it no ALS. Good luck trying to keep your tongue still it usually is in a constant state of quivering. Now I'm super focused on mine from reading this lol. You are 19 get off this site and go live lol.

vincy
10-06-17, 04:24
Anybody else have any experience with the (seemingly perceived) problems speaking? This is what is bothering me the most :(

Kcguy2017
10-06-17, 17:56
Anybody else have any experience with the (seemingly perceived) problems speaking? This is what is bothering me the most :(

Yes. I've had perceived slurring off and on for a while, which I think is actually related to pretty bad TMJ I have. But more recently, since I started worrying about ALS, my tongue started feeling weird. It started after my other symptoms, and after I started wondering if my mouth/tongue would get involved. Now I'm constantly monitoring my speech, which I know just makes things worse. I can move my tongue at will, though, and I can still curl it. So I'm guessing the neurologist is going to say it's fine.

Fishmanpa
10-06-17, 18:16
Merp. I've seen that same post stickied on alsforums ;\

If you've seen it, then reading it again is prudent. Also, if you've seen it that means you were on the site. I urge you not to post there. Looking for reassurance from people actually suffering from an illness you don't have is disrespectful.

My best advice is to seek real life help. Perhaps you can speak with your parents or a trusted adult. I have a daughter a little older than you. She came to me at your age and told me what was going on. I, along with her mother made sure she got the help she needed. She had a rough time but between therapy and meds, she's doing great now.

Positive thoughts

vincy
10-06-17, 18:26
If you've seen it, then reading it again is prudent. Also, if you've seen it that means you were on the site. I urge you not to post there. Looking for reassurance from people actually suffering from an illness you don't have is disrespectful.

My best advice is to seek real life help. Perhaps you can speak with your parents or a trusted adult. I have a daughter a little older than you. She came to me at your age and told me what was going on. I, along with her mother made sure she got the help she needed. She had a rough time but between therapy and meds, she's doing great now.

Positive thoughts

I only lurk there, though it sort of makes me feel better that two people with VERY similar stories posted recently and nobody worried for them.

I talk to my parents, but they don't know what to do for me at this point. I can't seem to stop worrying no matter what. I have a psychologist and he has been helping a little. Hoping it gets better with time I guess

---------- Post added at 17:26 ---------- Previous post was at 17:25 ----------


Yes. I've had perceived slurring off and on for a while, which I think is actually related to pretty bad TMJ I have. But more recently, since I started worrying about ALS, my tongue started feeling weird. It started after my other symptoms, and after I started wondering if my mouth/tongue would get involved. Now I'm constantly monitoring my speech, which I know just makes things worse. I can move my tongue at will, though, and I can still curl it. So I'm guessing the neurologist is going to say it's fine.

Glad to know there are others like this out there.

My (perceived) speech problems only started when I started clenching my jaw super hard and pressing my tongue against the roof of my mouth really hard. I suppose it makes some sense that with a sore tongue, sore teeth, and sore jaw, it'd feel harder to talk.

tryingtosurvive1
11-06-17, 04:17
You were pronounced normal by a neuromuscular specialist. Not only do you not have ALS, you don't have *anything* in that domain! Yay!
Do you have a history of OCD? I'm currently having ALS fears and the thing that has helped is listing all my obsessions from the past with my therapist. That makes me realize this is just another one.

vincy
11-06-17, 04:59
You were pronounced normal by a neuromuscular specialist. Not only do you not have ALS, you don't have *anything* in that domain! Yay!
Do you have a history of OCD? I'm currently having ALS fears and the thing that has helped is listing all my obsessions from the past with my therapist. That makes me realize this is just another one.

I've never been diagnosed with OCD but pretty much everyone thats ever known me has thought I definitely have it. It's never been a bother, though, until it started being tied in with health anxiety and obsessing over my body and what not.

I've spent almost all day looking at the way my lips move asymmetrically when I talk and smile. From looking at old pics, I now know that thats always been that way, and who the hell even knows if the talking thing is new or not. Whether or not it is, as hard as I looked, couldn't find that as an early ALS symptom! Honestly dont even know why I'm worried at this point. I just know I AM, and that is the part that makes me feel out of control.

Worrygirl32
11-06-17, 05:45
I have been on one other anxiety forum, and I constantly see ALS as a concern. To be honest I don't know much about ALS and I'm glad I don't because that would be one more thing I would worry about. I know easier said than done, but you have to stop googling. Leave it up to your doctor. They went to school for years! Not a couple hours on google. The mind is a powerful thing and sometimes people who have anxiety may present symptoms that they have been googling, only because we are so hypersensitive to everythiiiiing. Plus your 19 and I am assuming fairly healthy. Don't worry your days away, accept the anxiety for what it is. You have to make a decision today, is the anxiety going to win today or are you going to win? I wish you the best, and I hope you can find some peace. If you're spiritual pray because I know that will surely help you relax.

Fishmanpa
11-06-17, 14:39
I only lurk there.....I have a psychologist and he has been helping a little. Hoping it gets better with time I guess

Do everything in your power not to even lurk or research this. You know enough at this point to be dangerous to yourself ;)

I'm glad to see you're getting help. Make sure you let your psych know that you've been lurking on the ALS forum as well as posting on an anxiety forum. He/She needs to know to help you break self-destructive habits. Therapy is hard work but you will get better if you work hard at it.

Positive thoughts

Josh1234
11-06-17, 14:54
Lips aren't affected in ALS, nor are many parts of the face. Get on medication, as nothing else is helping you.

jojo2316
12-06-17, 11:50
All I can say is YES!! I read about bulbar onset ALS then immediately developed swallowing difficulties (which were totally real!), then I read that usually speech is the first symptom (not swallowing) and BAM! I feel like my speech is slurred and nasal and I keep tripping over words..:. Everyone else says I sound just the same, but I don't think I do and I keep recording myself doing tongue twisters. It's awful. I feel your pain.

FreakOutQueen
12-06-17, 13:06
I've been going through awful ALS fears as well. Luckily, if everyone on here who complained of twitching had ALS, it would not be considered a rare rare rare disease 1/100,000 = .0001% chance. My story is as follows and I'm sure many of you can relate. I have been suffering from crippling anxiety for the past 6 months or so, developed an eye twitch...googled (big mistake) saw ALS and suddenly was twitching in my butt, arms, stomach, thighs, calves and feet...basically everywhere...all of a sudden. So I got more nervous, and twitches got worse. Took the weekend to relax and recharge and found the twitches getting slightly better but not completely gone. Also noticed some tightness and stiffness in my calves which I think is from tensing my muscles, but also an ALS symptom? (Might be wrong). Today, I have felt a few twitches and they are now mostly centered in my calves...start perceiving muscle atrophy...tailspin again...sound familiar? This is why I say the power of our minds is insane. My goal this week is to ignore the twitches and see if they continue to lessen because I can't get in to see a neurologist until September. This rabbit hole is one of the worst I've been down, but I am comforted in knowing I am not alone.

vincy
12-06-17, 22:51
I've been going through awful ALS fears as well. Luckily, if everyone on here who complained of twitching had ALS, it would not be considered a rare rare rare disease 1/100,000 = .0001% chance. My story is as follows and I'm sure many of you can relate. I have been suffering from crippling anxiety for the past 6 months or so, developed an eye twitch...googled (big mistake) saw ALS and suddenly was twitching in my butt, arms, stomach, thighs, calves and feet...basically everywhere...all of a sudden. So I got more nervous, and twitches got worse. Took the weekend to relax and recharge and found the twitches getting slightly better but not completely gone. Also noticed some tightness and stiffness in my calves which I think is from tensing my muscles, but also an ALS symptom? (Might be wrong). Today, I have felt a few twitches and they are now mostly centered in my calves...start perceiving muscle atrophy...tailspin again...sound familiar? This is why I say the power of our minds is insane. My goal this week is to ignore the twitches and see if they continue to lessen because I can't get in to see a neurologist until September. This rabbit hole is one of the worst I've been down, but I am comforted in knowing I am not alone.

Yeah. This ALS rabbithole sucks ass.

I saw my primary care dr today and told him about my feeling of not being able to talk properly. Tongue feeling off. Jaw clenching. Shortness of breath. Told him I've been struggling with this for ~5 months now, and he retook my CPK blood test and prescribed me zoloft (sad about taking zoloft. hopefully wont be on it for more than a few months, but definitely feel like i need it as of now)

I still worry, but I am getting better. I have my follow up with my neuro on Wednesday to talk about EMG and CPK retest.

Anyone who has more experience with it, after he did the EMG that day he said it was perfectly normal. I dont have to worry about him hitting me with anything unexpected when I see him do I? I am imagining that we'll just be discussing the CPK retest and my calf injury. But perhaps someone knows better than me. If he said the EMG was normal the day he took it, is it normal?