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Hi guys I'm new here,
I have a red patch in the corner of my mouth, not sure if its Erythroplakia or not, but I'm very very very scared about what it is and what it might develop into. I noticed it two days ago but I'm not sure how long it's been here.
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Can someone please help?? I need help soooo bad
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No help?????
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Please?
nomorepanic
25-01-18, 12:40
I assume you have been googling as I have no idea what Erythroplakia is.
If you are worried please see a doctor as we can't give medical advice or diagnose on here.
Ok, I just want to know if it’s serious???????!!!!! Apparently it can develop into mouth cancer if left untreated
No one here can tell you that. I don't even know what it is! :shrug:
While I'm not a fan of paid reassurance, perhaps a doctor would be the best bet.
Positive thoughts
Hiyer,
I don't know what this condition is either I'm afraid, not being a medic and this not being a medical site. Sorry I can't help, I can see how anxious you are about it, but seeing a GP would probably be the best thing to do. :)
Yes I know but my parents won’t let me because I’ve had anxiety scares before and they turned out to be normal and they think it’s just some “oral sore” or something but I’m sorry for using google but everything says it’s Erythroplakia and it can be precancerous so I’m scared
So, where is this 'oral sore' ? Right inside your mouth ? WHat makes you think its a precursor to cancer?
Well, yeah, google would come up with that wouldn't it....nobody ever sees the simple and easy,minor health conditions it could be...they jump to the most unlikely.
Yea, there’s just nothing that it really could be other than that to be honest
How long have you had it? Is it accompanied by any other symptoms? Do you smoke? You seem quite young as you mentioned your parents. I think mouth cancer in someone young would be pretty rare. I get sore patches and ulcers in my mouth all the time, especially when I’m run down x
Yea I’m not sure if I have any other symptoms and I don’t have the risk factors either but this red patch I have (not sue how long I had it, noticed it two days ago) seems to be exactly the same as Erythroplakia, which is like a precancerous lesion so I’m scared and also it’s painless
Well, of course there are lots of other things it could be....you teeth rubbing on the inside of your mouth....a patch you burnt with some hot food....an area where you had an ulcer....braces that rub.....theres any number of things it could be.
Thank you for the advice Carys
You mentioned you 'only noticed it'....it could be something that is always there or has been there for a long time. I think this is extraordinarily unlikely, given that you are so young and have no risk factors.
Have your parents had a look at it?
It’s just weird that I would get this since literally 99% of people who get this are like smokers or tobacco users and I don’t know what would cause it other than cancer maybe
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Yes my parents have seen it and they pretty much completely ignore me
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They won’t take me to the dr or dentist either :weep:
OK, look, you've just said it there 99% of people who get this are smokers. You aren't a smoker. So, isn't the most likely thing that this simply isn't what you think it is. To the untrained eye one red patch can look very much like another red patch.
Do you mind me asking your age?
The incident of Oral cancer in your age group is apparently for all practical purposes zero. Your parents have taken a look and dismissed it as nothing to be concerned about, therefore as your parents want you to be healthy, happy and well-cared for they wouldn't surely say it was nothing if it was something.
Alas, Dr Google suggests otherwise:scared15:
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I'm an oral cancer survivor. You can put OC out of your mind "." (period)
Positive thoughts
Dr Google lies. I've been on the cancer research website, and looked at an interactive graph of incidents of oral cancer diagnosed by age per 100,000 head the population. Age 10-14, no oral cancer cases diagnosed in either male or female. Age 15-19, no oral cancer cases diagnosed in males and 1 in a female. You need to stop obsessing about oral cancer, forget it, whatever this red mark is in your mouth....its not that.
Ok I really hope so
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By any chance do any of u know what Erythroplakia is?????? That’s what I might have
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Anyone??
By any chance do any of u know what Erythroplakia is?????? That’s what I might have
You are still repeating that you might have it. Thats not the right way to deal with this HA problem.
But it doesn’t say that there’s anything else like this. The only thing that’s a red patch and feels velvety like mine is erythoplakia and normally for symptoms there a number of causes some way more probable than others but erythroplakia there’s only one!!! OC :scared15: I don’t know what else I could have since there’s nothing else like it!!!
So, it couldn't just be a patch that has been rubbing where teeth are or got burnt or or or ?
You mentioned your other health anxiety problems in the past, what were the things that concerned you then?
Leukemia you know, the usual. But it’s never been like this. This I’m almost convinced is OC and I’ve just given up
MyNameIsTerry
26-01-18, 15:42
It's only defined as that when no other reason can be found to categorise it otherwise.
Commonly it's damage from food, burns, biting (anxiety sufferers grind, I used to do it only in my sleep and it was dentist who worked it out from what he could see in my teeth & jaw muscles as well as symptoms of tooth ache, headaches, trouble fully closing & opening my teeth, etc), etc and until they've ruled everything out it's not what you fear.
Can you honestly say you haven't done something in your sleep? Your dentist may recognise signs you have, as mine did for my jaw pain.
And given the types of causes it's also possible that a dentist or GP may even biopsy to rule out as they can't be sure a patient hasn't forgotten or not realised something that could have caused it even after careful questioning. They may be more careful if they knew the patient was a long time smoker in middle age yet it could still turn out to be nothing due to bring unable to establish a root cause.
Oh, the thing that scares me the most is that I have no risk factors and some things say that people with no risk factors have a higher chance that it’s OC
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Plz help
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I’m also scared because if you look up red patch in mouth everything says OC symptoms :scared15:
Hi Bl4ze,
You are 13 years old, the statistics show that nobody, literally, gets oral cancer at that age. Why is this different to your previous fears...you were convinced then presumably and are convinced now?
So, you showed your parents, what did they think this red patch was, did they give you any idea?
I honestly think that your parents should take you to the doctor, but not for the red patch, I think that having so much health anxiety at such an early age is something that really needs dealing with now. Have they, or your gp suggested any help in the past ?
"some things say that people with no risk factors have a higher chance that it’s OC"
Well, that is just complete rubbish to be honest. If they are called risk factors, and scientific connections have been made, otherwise why would they be called risk factors???
Ok this is different because the other things were just like a maybe because numerous things can cause them but this? This is 100x worse than I’ve ever had I’m almost convinced it’s you know what. My parents didn’t really care much I guess they just say it’s some random “oral sore”
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Ok yea I guess they’re just frustrated because so many others have been false alarms i guess
OK, when is your next dental visit?
I don’t know
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Also, I just had a blood done for leukemia and it was clear and I was SO HAPPY and then this comes and ruins my life
Dentist check for that sort of thing, do you go regularly?
I really just wanna enjoy my life but I don’t know if I’m gonna die or something
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Yes I went for the dentist maybe last August?
Bl4ze, this isn't ruining your life, your fear is doing that right now. If it wasn't this red patch, I think it would be something else. This blood test that was done, was it done to reassure you?
Yea
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And also to check some their things but everything was normal
How many other illness or health fears would you say have occurred and over what period of time?
The thing is you see, and I'm not trying to be rude, but realistic. We can help with health anxiety (that is the forum you are on), but we can't arrange hospital or doctor appointments, or dental appointments and can't tell you what the red patch is in your mouth. I can tell you multiple times (which I have) that I don't believe it possible, that nobody at your age gets oral cancer but you aren't believing it. Have you considered finding someone responsible at your school for counselling or another trusted adult to tell about this fear?
Well pretty much just leakemia and that for like four months
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Ok yes I know but what else is this then??? I looked at oral cancer stats and it said some people ages 6-13 have gotten it apparently
So, you had the all clear from the leukaemia and then 'this appeared'. That is typical health anxiety. You move from one thing to another, once one is resolved.
You did say earlier that this had happened many times, and your parents had got fed up of the 'false alarms', so I suspect there might be more things than just the leukaemia fear.
I really think you need to get some help, and I suggested earlier that confiding in an adult (I don't know how the US school system is set up) at school, who is responsible for well-being might be a good place to start. Tell them about your 'sympton' and how distressed it is making you.
No to be honest it was just multiple false alarms about the leukemia fear
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But this seems VERY REAL AND SCARY
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And also my main problem at the start was lymph nodes
So, my idea about getting in contact with someone at school who is reponsible for your emotional well-being?
I don’t know..... I’m not sure if there is anyone
Maybe a US user might have a better idea of the system, I'll ask.
I just want to know do you think I have OC because if this red patch??
Bl4ze listen.
I told you I'm a Head and Neck cancer survivor. You're 13 years old. The chances this is OC are 0%. Think about it. You would make history and be written up in medical journals if that were the case and it isn't.
I have children older than you. My daughter suffers from depression and anxiety. She came to me and told me what was going on. I, along with her mother made sure she got the real life professional help she needed. She worked hard, went to therapy, takes meds and now she's doing great! She has her moments but through professional real life help, she knows how to manage it.
Please, I urge you to show your parents, a trusted adult or a school counselor this thread and tell them how sick you are with worry and need help. You're not going to get the help you need by words on a screen.
Positive thoughts
Ok. Also, my parents said if it’s not gone in a week they might take me to the GP or dentist
Ok. Also, my parents said if it’s not gone in a week they might take me to the GP or dentist
:yesyes: There ya go! Now go find something distract yourself. Being in here you're doing nothing but feeding your dragon.
Positive thoughts
Good! That's very good news isn't it.
Ok. Also, my parents said if it’s not gone in a week they might take me to the GP or dentist Well yes but seriously if after a week its no better you have very right to get it looked at you parents should back you up on this even though its not life threatning Take care ATB
Thank you guys
I hope it’s not OC
Do you guys think if it’s not gone the dentist will have to do a biopsy?
also, it seems bigger and worse now and sometimes in the mornings its lighter and better, and its kind of big too
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Is that supposed to be normal?
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https://imgur.com/DHb0oOj Heres a pic
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and it stretches back farther than that also
nomorepanic
27-01-18, 00:49
I can't even see a red patch
MyNameIsTerry
27-01-18, 01:51
I think you need to accept you have the option of getting it assessed if it continues but that's where you need to try to stop thinking further ahead. The dentist will only biopsy if he/she thinks it's needed and with what you are asking about they can try to rule it out via questioning of the patient or what they see in your mouth (they may see you are grinding or clenching even if you don't realise it and some people do bite their cheeks doing this...we have had many threads about all that).
But as Carys has been saying, no matter what the outcome you need to talk about your mental health. Having fears like this are very unlikely to go on their own so your parents need to consider seeking help. The chances of stopping your anxiety getting more entrenched later in life are best now.
Ok I’m just scared about this
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Also if I was biting my cheek would I get a huge red patch like this?
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some more pics https://imgur.com/pQz69UB
https://imgur.com/CmYHQ89
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You see how in one its way brighter?? The patch acts weird sometimes
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???
MyNameIsTerry
27-01-18, 05:06
One may be a little redder but gums do that, some days they are redder than others. It could just be an area you have bitten at some point.
It's possible to have a large area from a bite.
Obviously it's one for a GP/dentist though.
This site is pretty slow and it's mostly UK members so it can be a little slow at times like this (it's 5am here).
MyNameIsTerry
27-01-18, 05:10
That's ok.
Are you under any pressures in your life? Maybe school, peer pressure issues, sexuality, etc? All these can push up anxiety levels and make these problems seem much harder so addressing such pressures are very useful and these are areas your parents can help with.
Look towards healthy activities and not too much time to sit thinking at times like this. Distractions can help.
Hiyer, I've looked at the images....from what I can work out those patches are to the rear of your mouth, upper set of teeeth, next to the molars and kind of on the outside, on the cheek tissue. So, you could push then from the outside by touching your cheek and feeling your teeth? Wow this is hard to explain. I know what I mean.
Right, I have had a blimmin torch out staring in my mouth!!!!! I have the same , and I am presuming it is simply from the molars rubbing against the inside cheek surface. Actually, in addition I have a kind of hard fold skin bit and that area feels a bit grainy, but there we go I'm hugely older than you and my body has had more wear and tear lol See, I'm of the age where it could be Oral Cancer,and I can now sit back and ignore what I've seen because I reckon its something that has always been there and I have just noticed it. I would put money on this being the same for you....its just something you've noticed and has always been there.
Do you use chewing gum and chew a lot? Do you grind or clench your teeth?
OK, I've said, I'm no medic.....but I'm telling you to sit back now and wait for a week.....I wouldn't mind betting even if it hasn't gone that the dentist says there is nothing at all to be concerned about. By the way, I've had a lot of recent dental work and my routine check up, and there was nothing mentioned.
As Terry said, you need the tools to be able to deal with your HA, no matter what.
MyNameIsTerry
27-01-18, 09:09
Carys, please put that torch away before your visit the IBS board, commitment to help people can go too far (especially if it's one of those snake light things :blush:) :winks::biggrin:
To be honest, I've got marks like that on my tongue and probably further back too. The sort of dented patch, I've had something like that for over 20 years now.
I tell you what else.....when I was younger I used to kind of 'chew' the inside of my cheek tissue. (by younger I mean a teenager) Not to the point of doing damage and hurting, but kind of a nervous movement habit. Have you looked at the other side, what does that look like ?
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OOo Terry, that HAS made me laugh!!!!...torch away (and the string I was going to use to dangle the phone camera down my throat for those oesophagus cancer thread) :roflmao:I was going to post the picture of my cheek inside, but you know what I stopped at that point, despite that fact that I was well chuffed with how great they looked after recent dental work.
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You know what Bl4ze honey, you make sure that you let us know the outcome of this....and if you do get it checked what the dentist says it is. Why is Terry up answering at 5aM? Thats the middle of the night practically.
We are happy to carry on chatting away on this thread.....but lets move on from OC and tell us about life in US right now....I'm interested to hear more about things as have never visited.
MyNameIsTerry
27-01-18, 10:03
String as well?!!! Make sure you don't get it stuck or it will be getting added to the strange things seen in A&E retrieved from places in the body :whistles::ohmy:
This isn't TOWIE, I'm not sure we're ready for pics of enhanced orifices yet :blush::roflmao: I always think these mouth shots look a bit odd zoomed in.
My routine was all over the place and very late (GAD & OCD issues about time, changes in the day, etc it's been one of my core issues for years and came back with avengeance with the relapse), it's much better now but I'm on & off at some odd times!
Oh well, at least it means you end up doing the 'night shift' here. Is that really the sort of thing they show on TOWIE (never seen it )?
So.... Carys are u saying you have the same thing as me? The other cheek looks normal as does the rest of my mouth
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Reassurance isn't helping here at all! You're just sitting there feeding your dragon! Please speak to your parents about this. Show them the thread. You're a 13yo child that needs help!
Positive thoughts
Help for HA or the patch?
Help for HA or the patch? Your HA :) ATB
yes but carys do you have the same thing as me?
Reassurance isn't helping here at all! You're just sitting there feeding your dragon! Please speak to your parents about this. Show them the thread. You're a 13yo child that needs help!
Positive thoughts
HI Bl4ze,
Just read back the post I made, that you are referring to. I honestly can't add any more to what I've said. I'm not trying to be mean to you, trust me, but I think you are so upset right now and so desperate about this mouth red patch that your parents need to get you some real support. Are they aware how bad your HA is at the moment ? Have you really spoken to them (not about the red patch, but what is underlying the red patch)? Do they know you are, for example, on this forum ?
No I didn't understand your post, I mean did u say that you have the red patch too in your post??
Right, I have had a blimmin torch out staring in my mouth!!!!! I have the same , and I am presuming it is simply from the molars rubbing against the inside cheek surface.
I tell you what else.....when I was younger I used to kind of 'chew' the inside of my cheek tissue. (by younger I mean a teenager) Not to the point of doing damage and hurting, but kind of a nervous movement habit.I have copied and pasted from that thread. I don't think ultimately it will reassure you for long, if at all, though Bl4ze, as that is the nature of this HA problem. If you were going to feel better about this red patch, you would already by now.
You really must discuss this with your parents, you need some support right now with your anxiety level.
Ok I feel like I’ll take care my of the HA once and IF this patch thing is nothing or clears up by itself because right now it shows NO SIGN of getting better and I found it on Monday it’s almost been a week so yes I’ll try to get help with the HA but I need this to clear up so I can be happy and fix the other problems like HA because I keep worrying about this
Well ok I just hope there was someone I could relate with with the same problem as me
Ok Fishmanpa I know I have spoke to my parents about this and they know about the ha and the patch as for the ha I’ve had it for a couple months now and it hasn’t been that bad but because of this it is so my parents don’t really care much but as for the patch they don’t even really care they just say it’s normal but don’t give a reason or anything and I find it hard to trust things without evidence or reasons, the main fear about the patch is that it’s Erythroplakia, which is a precancerous red lesion which pretty much perfectly fits the description of mine and that it’s already developed to cancer maybe So that’s why I’m scared and so desperate for support and reassurance because my parents aren’t helping
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Sorry I just feel pretty scared
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:doh:
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this is very very hard, I just want to know that I'm fine but I feel like I'm done now all my fears have happened and I don't know what to do
Can someone please answer I'm so scared??? I still don't know if this is OC or not
Well, looks like no ones gonna answer to me anymore, I'm screwed
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No one?
nomorepanic
28-01-18, 01:03
Go to bed and stop worrying please.
It’s only 5:00 here in US
nomorepanic
28-01-18, 01:11
ok well go and do something else then
Yes Nicola I have been playing video games and doing the stuff I love talkin with friends but still if there’s a one second break from my thoughts they go straight to “what if I have OC?” “What if this red patch really is OC?” This is torture
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Oh also I had a clear blood test like two weeks ago will that help with this fear??
MyNameIsTerry
28-01-18, 02:13
Oh well, at least it means you end up doing the 'night shift' here. Is that really the sort of thing they show on TOWIE (never seen it )?
Me neither but they talk about having all that stuff done. :blush: I shouldn't really be bothered by it after 20 years of working in offices full of women...they talk about anything & everything :ohmy::D
Uummmm.....
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That was random
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Is anyone gonna help anymore??
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:weep::weep::weep: im literally crying right now
Catherine S
28-01-18, 04:16
How many people were you hoping for? You've had some of the best people this forum can offer advising you and you're asking for more reassurance?
Folks, this is a 13 year old child with what sounds like good parents, surely it's not our responsibility to get involved in this child's welfare. I know I wouldn't be very happy if one of my children at that age was seeking help on a forum full of adults. I've always thought the minimum age here was way too young. Particularly when you have certain members who like to resort to adult inuendo in their replies, even when replying to children.
Bl4ze...seriously now, you need to hand these fears over to your parents, or an adult you can trust. This is not the place to be at your age.
Best wishes.
I have already my parents aren’t really helping
Catherine S
28-01-18, 04:58
Yes they are helping you, by not giving this fear the attention you seek. I would suggest the same of the people here.
I just need reassurance it’s not OC tho
Catherine S
28-01-18, 05:00
It's not OC.
*sigh* I’ll try to get more help then
MyNameIsTerry
28-01-18, 05:05
Am I the only one who is reminded of a chronic HAer who recently looks as if she's left the forum? Exactly the same behaviour....
Just sayin'... :whistles:
That just shows how little people know when things aren't going on in public. The member I assume you are referring to is still asking for help but it's now to individuals since Admin have started keeping on top of things.
MyNameIsTerry
28-01-18, 05:10
What happened??
Ignore it, it's another situation on the forum and Admin have reminded everyone of the rules enough times. It's just some incorrect assuming.
When was the last time you spoke to your parents about how you feel? I don't mean about this mark or another past theme but about how this is all making you feel? You needing to reach out like this should be enough for parents to intervene to get you some help. Remember what Carys said about accessing counselling support at school? Do you have a teacher you feel you could talk to and perhaps they can tell you what is available to help you.
Are you worried if you ask for help that it may upset your parents?
Catherine S
28-01-18, 05:11
*sigh* I’ll try to get more help then
That would be the sensible thing to do. The forum is really helpful and full of information, but at your tender age, it can't replace real people in your life who can help you.
Take care.
Yes terry I have told my parents about how I feel and they just don’t seem to get it, sometimes they kinda get frustrated and just say get over it or something like that
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The health anxiety I have had before this red patch thing was nothing compared to this, because this is actually something that CAN be very very real and very very serious unlike the rest
MyNameIsTerry
28-01-18, 05:19
They may think it's attention seeking or a phase you will grow out of. Mental health is still an unknown to many people so they just don't see the signs or if they do they only see something they are concerned about and head to a doctor.
What you could do is show them mental health information about health anxiety. They may take note if you show them something from the medical community that explains that this is something that is best assessed by a doctor and there is help for.
Yes, my parents do understand but they don’t understand how torturous it actually is and how I feel going through all this torture
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I guess I have always been an anxious person but I never used to care about my health much just anxious about other things that seem ridiculous to me now :blush:
MyNameIsTerry
28-01-18, 05:23
Why not show them this thread? It should be enough for them to want to do something.
If they can see that you are feeling like this and reaching out onto forums of people with these issues then I would expect them to at least consult a medical professional to be sure.
No parent would want their child feeling like this and even seeing them talking about it would mean they would want to help.
Yes they’ve talked to my gp and he says if it gets worse then to go to a therapist or something
MyNameIsTerry
28-01-18, 05:26
Right ok so now you are struggling more and they have been given sound medical advice which they need to take notice of. So, the action from you is to let them know and they can seek our someone to help you.
There may even be support at your school. And to be honest, any school stress or peer issues can add to anxiety so a parent would be wondering about things like exams or if you are struggling with any work. These are things they can take practical steps to help with by talking to teachers.
I really don't care about my HA now as long as this red patch stays if it goes then I can start fixing my HA I feel like this red patch is my biggest problem now
MyNameIsTerry
28-01-18, 05:53
If you read around on this forum you would see people much older than you saying exactly that. Unfortunately it's not the way it works. HA is a disorder that needs treating whether through a doctor, therapist or self.
It will just find another target after this just as it did after your last fear. The way to start to feel better is to address it so that it stops doing this to you. It's learnt behaviour, I wasn't even an anxiety sufferer until I had a breakdown at 30 and I've been dealing with it ever since because the subconscious learns to be afraid. It needs to be shown not to respond this way in the future.
Morning Bl4ze,
Yes they’ve talked to my gp and he says if it gets worse then to go to a therapist or something
Ok, so that is a step forward to recognise that there can and will be help for you, so now you need a therapist. Obviously your parents did talk to the GP about your excessive worrying about health, so they do care and are concerned.
I know its a tough time at your age, parents do things that seems awfully strange and at odds with what you want. They may be struggling to know what the right thing is to do as well,and you are struggling with being able to communicate as you want to with them. Being a teenager is hard, and I don't mean that in a patronising way, which is why sometimes (as Terry and I both keep repeating) finding someone in your school setting is something you really could do if you don't want to talk to your parents further.
This red patch issue will be resolved, it won't be anything horrible and nasty at all and something minor (like a tooth rubbing or something)- if anything at all. The trouble is another thing will come along, it always does, a hurting and buzzing toe or a pain in the head. Now is the time to work on your fears, not after the red patch.
Isnt it very late where you are now?
No is only like 10:30
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So the red patch isn’t serious?
Guys I found another very small red patch near the first one :ohmy:
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Please help me I’m so scared
nomorepanic
28-01-18, 15:35
Seek and thee shall find!
No it wasn’t there before
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http://www.exodontia.info/sitebuilder/images/Erythroplakia_of_Palate-734x490.jpg
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Doesn’t this kinda look like m Mine?? ITS ERYTHOPLAKIA :scared15:
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:scared15::scared15::scared15:
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Oh my gosh I don’t know what to doooo I’m spiralingggg!!!
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https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-krdCy-hqI60/Tk-vZforC-I/AAAAAAAACxA/YDlphQH74mI/s640/Erythroplakia+of+the+buccal+mucosa+1.png
THIS ONE LOOKS ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME AS MINE
Oh I see, that first picture was a real OC sufferer. No, they don't look the same AT ALL. Can I be honest with you here...I looked at the first image and thought it was your mouth.....I thought 'ekkk that looks unpleasant, and there are white patches too, that s not good, it does look a bit dodgy actually'. I was about to say maybe you SHOULD get it checked. Then I realised it was A REAL OC sufferer and saw it next to your own mouth picture, that was posted by Fishmanpa! No, it DOESN'T look the same at all, yours looks FINE.
Bl4ze, get your parents to take you to your doctor...and NO I'm not saying this is oral cancer....I'm saying that you need some assistance with your fears and terrible anxiety about your body. We are helping you as best we can Bl4ze. This is a HA forum you are on.
Does Fishmanpa not want to help?
nomorepanic
28-01-18, 17:38
I think he is exhausted by it all to be honest and I don't blame him!
Well, i dont either, but this is how scared I am, and my parents arent helping
I appreciate you feel your parents aren't helping. SO......Go and see a trusted school adult. A tutor ? Counsellor ? Well being practitioner ? Anybody who you can tell that you are spending your time on a HA site, and why. I honestly can't add anything more either Bl4ze. I know you are really suffering, and desperately want you to reach out to someone who can set the ball in motion for you to get some proper help. Please.
I guess im just embarrased to tell anyone :blush:
I guess im just embarrased to tell anyone :blush:
That statement implies that you know that is a mental problem rather than a physical one.
Yea I know I have health anxiety but the red patch is a physical problem though
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And I don’t know how to fix it
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This is what it looks like now: https://imgur.com/zkAN4DN
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:scared15: A smaller one has formed under it
nomorepanic
28-01-18, 20:20
You need to go and see a doctor or a dentist. We really can't tell you what it is. Please talk to your parents and get them to take you.
I still can't see anything in the pictures though
Catherine S
28-01-18, 20:23
You really need to hand this over to your parents. They can take you see a doctor. Nobody here can tell you what it is, we can't diagnose. I'm sure most of us feel uncomfortable with this situation because you're only 13. You need to log out of the forum and sort it out with your family. Come back and tell us how you get on. No ifs, no buts, no more photos...just do it ok?
Sorry Nic, our replies obviously posted at the same time.
That’s what I’m trying but my parents are firm they said they will never take me to a doctor or dentist
Well, two days ago they said they would take you if it hadn't gone in a week? what happened since then? You are still asking them about the doctor or dentist and your red patch, not asking them about therapy for your health anxiety.
This is going in circles, big looping circles. SEE AN ADULT AT SCHOOL.
I can't add anymore, I shouldn't really have added this to be honest.
Come back and say how you got on Bl4ze, we would really like to hear :yesyes:
Yes they did but now apparently they changed their mind :shrug:
Missjensen
28-01-18, 23:01
The first picture you posted of your mouth, looks like a mouth, it’s looks like mine.. it’s normal. Some people just have more red mouth roofs and gums.. it’s not OC
Now get some help please, I’ve had HA since I was 15 and I’m 26 now... every time you find a new problem, the old problem seems stupid and was NOT serious but this new one absolutely is ! I know how cruel this thing is. It sounds like you have it for about 6 months?? Please nip it in the bud while it’s early on.. it’s not fun 11 yers after and 20+ definitely deaths.
Ok, but when you said it looks like a normal mouth, I don’t think so because it is COMPLETELY different than the rest of my mouth and it’s pretty big and it stands out in the picture it looks a bit milder than it actually is, and it’s in my inner cheek
nomorepanic
29-01-18, 00:20
I can't see anything.
You have to do something about this. Why would your parents not want to help you and get it looked at?
We can't force them to but you need to talk to someone about this.
You cannot be like this at 13 as things will get 100 times worse as you get older so it needs sorting now.
There really isn't anything we can do to help or reassure you - you need a professional to look at it.
Yea im not sure why my parents wont go theyre just mad that im spiraling again
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I just wish this red patch would go away
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Wow why are there so many guests viewing this??
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If so many others have this problem it would be helpful if they can register and respond to me it would help a lot that I know others had the same and it was solved
Missjensen
29-01-18, 15:53
There is nothing we can say or do to make you feel better.
Your mouth is fine, it’s normal that the mouth don’t share one colour, mine have different colours depending where in the mouth I look, especially the roof and gums can be redder or lighter, it’s different types of skin. I go to the dentist every 6 months and it’s always been fine.
The gust views can be members that just look a post without logging into their account. I often do that.
Missjensen
29-01-18, 15:55
So I guess the red patch will never go away and have always been there..
No I’m not sure about that, I kinda vaguely remember looking at my mouth a while back and not seeing it there, maybe like three months ago I think, so I don’t know
I find it very dishearting that the OP's parents aren't prepared to help prehaps have one more go at your parents your HA needs treating now not next week get them to support you on this it wont get better on it's own your life is being consumed by this HA Help is out there they can see the distress it's causing you. ATB
Yea my parents re trying to reassure me saying that it’s nothing and things like that but they don’t wanna take me to a dr or anything
I don't think the OP is asking about HA (mental health) help, but help with going to the doctor about the red patch.
How long it's been there?
You sure you wanna ask questions about this ? :roflmao:
This is a child asking these questions and they need some real-world help from a responsible adult at the end of the day. OP - please seek this out one way or another (to clarify, I mean mental health, not your "symptoms").
So sad to see someone so young worried about this kind of thing. This isn't a thread about a red mark in a mouth, that's such an arbitrary obsession as always, it's a thread about mental health (as we all know). Sadly there are people on this forum two or three times his age that never realise that, so hopefully he gets some help and can nip this in the bud early.
Spot on axolotl! Bl4ze, isn't it school now at this time ?
MyNameIsTerry
29-01-18, 17:15
I find it very dishearting that the OP's parents aren't prepared to help prehaps have one more go at your parents your HA needs treating now not next week get them to support you on this it wont get better on it's own your life is being consumed by this HA Help is out there they can see the distress it's causing you. ATB
To be fair reassurance seeking can come across as attention seeking behaviour and a parent might want to halt that behaviour. It may be wider than health, it wouldn't be uncommon in children. I'm not saying it is but I think we have to remember we are seeing a slice of the person's life and the parent sees a lot more.
A parent mind be mindful of wasting a doctor's time. I can't imagine my mum ever taking me to a doctor about this when I was young. My worry would be another matter. But since a doctor has recommended a therapist, that is certainly what I would expect they need to be doing but for we know they are researching one right now?
that is certainly what I would expect they need to be doing but for we know they are researching one right now?
Exactly, we're hearing this filtered through a very anxious (young) teenager who's still single-mindedly wanting to talk about a "symptom", so I'm reserving any judgement as to what his parents are doing/not doing right now.
Ok would your parents take you get help regarding your HA condition, will you ask them?As this is the only problem you have but it's still a bad one ATB
Violet Blue
29-01-18, 18:13
It saddens me when very kind people try their hardest to help and then feel upset when their advice is not heeded.
If, IF, this is a child I think admin should be directing her to a more age appropriate website.
nomorepanic
29-01-18, 18:19
We don't know of one and isn't that just passing the buck so to speak?
:huh:
Respectfully, if people are trying to help try and reply with more than an emoji.
And if you don't understand what people are trying to tell you on here you need to discuss it with an adult in the real-world instead.
Ok it’s not that I don’t heed your advice it’s that my parents won’t let me go to a dr or anything even for ha
Bl4ze...this is a serious question.....how are you on here in the day ? Are you not a school ?
Is that because you've been to a doctor about your health anxiety before? Are you taking any medication for anxiety?
Also, ive never heard a 13 yr old using the word 'heed'. I must admit, your vocabulary on here sounds rather grown up! Except for the emojis of course.
Violet used the word "heed" first three messages up :shrug:
We've become a suspicious lot on here...
Yeah, I don't think we need to question Bl4ze's honesty about his age.
It saddens me when very kind people try their hardest to help and then feel upset when their advice is not heeded.
If, IF, this is a child I think admin should be directing her to a more age appropriate website.
I got heed from here
And are you at school today? ATB
No I don’t have any medications or anything, my health anxiety normally is pretty low, but when I found this red patch I wasnt too scared but I looked it up and I got super scared that’s why
Ok so no meds but you haven't tackled your HA problems, so whats going to happen when something else crops up?? ATB
I've mishandled a situation on here again as always, I'm sorry.
Bl4ze could you be so kind and answer my question Re post 152 thanks ATB
MyNameIsTerry
30-01-18, 01:54
We don't know of one and isn't that just passing the buck so to speak?
Is there anything like Childline in the US?
I agree with you, if you shift the age to 16 some older members on here might still have the same issue. And something to consider is that young people, especially children, are considered more likely to isolate themselves hence why charities create specific support groups for them.
I think they need more care and they need to be steered to adults where possible. But many parents aren't good people either and these kids may not have as many options therefore it's not as simple as just talk to your parents for all.
I hope people don't get frustrated, we need to be more patient with kids & young people. We need to remember how we were back then. We also need to be mindful of saying things that could undermine their confidence and not coming across heavy handed which winds many of them up about their relationships.
I believe in being open minded about members too. If I get taken for a ride the odd time my dented pride is less important than if I'm wrong and upset someone already struggling with their mental health.
Bl4ze - these are general points, they're not judging you or your parents or implying anything.
At what point could you see yourself accepting you need help with how this is making you feel? How does it impact on your days e.g. school, friends & social, etc?
I guess it doesn’t impact me much when I’m with friend or school or anything by the way no school cuz of some teacher meeting
MyNameIsTerry
30-01-18, 04:21
So doesn't that show to you that there is an issue with having too much time to focus on this physical worry? If you really thought it was something as serious as cancer it wouldn't be put aside as easily.
That's anxiety for you, the subconscious triggers you more when not distracted and you have more time to consciously add to your worry.
I'm glad it's not so bad that it interferes with these things too. It also means that you may find relief in doing more things that cut down on time to think about this.
Yea thanks Terry
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Also , if it was erythroplakia would the re patch get lighter in the mornings or if I don’t look at it for a while? Cuz if I don’t look at it for a while or in the mornings it is light but as i keep stretching my cheek to look at it it becomes redder and expands right in front of my eyes like I can see the whole change it’s weird
MyNameIsTerry
30-01-18, 05:02
I couldn't say, that's a question for a medical professional.
But my gut feeling is that whilst patches can change I wouldn't expect a patch to become worse in how it looks to then get nicer looking again. There is an oral cancer survivor in your thread who would know much more than I on that.
Also, redness is going to occur if you cause local damage to sensitive areas just as poking & prodding at something inflames it further. So, it could be going red due to the stretching. More blood might be going to the area because the body senses it needs to repair tissue there (which is what the body should do) and it can appear redder for this. It could be irritated by the stretching and go red.
Once the body does what it needs too, the swelling/redness returns to pink. This happens with gums a lot when something irritates them. The same with the tongue or sore throats.
Cancerous cells just keep growing, they don't heal, they are out of control at this point. When you look at skin cancers you notice how in pictures showing them from x weeks to y months they look worse & worse. My dad's skin cancer certainly did. He was picking at his and whilst it attempted to heal over it still looked as bad and got worse over time.
Well do you know what erythoplakia is?
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Oh and also the patch feels rough and soft at the same time, maybe velvety or something I don’t know but it’s fits erythoplakia’s description :ohmy:
Cuz if I don’t look at it for a while or in the mornings it is light but as i keep stretching my cheek to look at it it becomes redder and expands right in front of my eyesWe talked about this on pm Blaze (sorry that 4 gets in the way of my speed typing :D), only yesterday. I am not medical either, but it is my opinion that anything that fluctuates between better and worse can't be anything AT ALL related to a cancer or whatever this' E thing' is. Those horrible things you worry about having, wouldn't be better in the morning. Terry saidthe same above, and he has said it in very clear terms to you above. Read his reply over and over, when you have doubts, when you need to try and reassure yourself READ what he said.
I think you've hit the nail on the head here....
as i keep stretching my cheek to look at it it becomes redder and expandsyou are constantly stretching your cheek and it becomes redder...you could be causing the 'red patch', inflammation, with obsessing over it.
I suspect that if you let it alone for days, it would get lighter and lighter, as it is in the mornings, after its had a night of not being messed with.
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I hope people don't get frustrated, we need to be more patient with kids & young people. We need to remember how we were back then. We also need to be mindful of saying things that could undermine their confidence and not coming across heavy handed which winds many of them up about their relationships.
I believe in being open minded about members too. If I get taken for a ride the odd time my dented pride is less important than if I'm wrong and upset someone already struggling with their mental health. ...and I agree with every word you wrote in this post Mynameisterry. It shocks me to see 'the adults' arguing on the thread of a child, as if they aren't there reading. Just because you are frustrated, feel suspicious or have a strong opinion, it doesn't mean you should voice it publically.
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by the way no school cuz of some teacher meetingAh good, that explains that then......we wouldn't want you hanging out with us when you should be with your friends or studying. :yesyes:
MyNameIsTerry
30-01-18, 05:45
Well do you know what erythoplakia is?
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Oh and also the patch feels rough and soft at the same time, maybe velvety or something I don’t know but it’s fits erythoplakia’s description :ohmy:
I didn't so I read about it to understand what you were asking about. It was very clear that it only gets classified this way where it manifests this way but has no other root cause e.g. a burn wouldn't need further checks.
You've just told us about the stretching and i fully agree with what Carys has just said. Something has causes it but disturbing it will prevent full healing. We see it daily on here with people poking & prodding lymph nodes and other things and the result is they stay swollen longer.
Oh ok but it’s not getting any better either
Touching it like Terry says will only aggravate it even more so try and avoid doing this :) Are you in school today perhaps have a word with a trusted teacher etc ok! ATB
Ok I hope so
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It’s been a week and it’s still not gone :weep:
Blaze, I'm impressed you've been quite quiet about this OC thing the last day or so. I am so hoping it means you are worrying about it less, and have managed to become a bit more rational after hearing everyone's thoughts. Stop checking all the time though, maybe limit yourself to once or twice a day ONLY.
Mouth sore patches can take ages to heal, I had an ulcer a couple of months ago that took 6 weeks to totally disappear and the redness to go.
Are you being careful with your toothbrush too.....I have a rather crazy strong electric brush and once I accidentally turned it round and 'scuffed up' the inside of my cheek. its another possibility isn't that when you put your brush in to clean your molars you are causing friction on the inside cheek?
Your mouth takes a lot of stick from eating different foods to talking etc so it's bound to get some scrapes along the way :) ATB
Yea Carys I have been very calm about this the past days, and not so worried I guess but I haven’t touched it that much for the past few days and it’s still the same no Change for the better
This is good are you in school today? ATB
Cool what lessons are your favourite? ATB
Yea Carys I have been very calm about this the past days, and not so worried
That's brilliant Blaze. Give it time, lots of time....but you know what it might actually be something that you've always had and just noticed.
That would be weird, if it was what would it be?
It would be like....a natural variant of the human body. Like I have freckles, or a rib that seems to be bumpy and fused to the other one.:)
You sure?
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I Dontt know if it would be this weird, and I remember checking my mouth before maybe a couple moths ago and it wasn’t there i think
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I just don’t understand what it could be if it’s not erythroplakia
I Dontt know if it would be this weird, and I remember checking my mouth before maybe a couple moths ago and it wasn’t there i think
Why on earth were you checking your mouth?
Just checking if I had any signs of OC
Bl4ze you need to stop checking your mouth this is not good it's taking over you life sadly ATB
Just checking if I had any signs of OC
So, wait, you were checking for oral cancer signs weeks ago? So you're a 13 year old lad randomly checking if you have a cancer exclusively of older adults when you had no reason to do so, and lo and behold you think you find it?
So not only would you be a medical anomaly, but psychic too because you thought to look for it?
Seriously if you can't see or understand the ludicrousness of this situation you need to get off the Internet and see a grown-up for help and advice as soon as possible.
Yea ok
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This thing still isn’t going away tho
Yea ok
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This thing still isn’t going away tho
Sorry but what do you actually mean by "yea ok"? You seem very dismissive of advice here.
Do you know how uninterested we all are in talking about a slight red mark in a child's mouth? I don't care about your imaginary symptoms.
We are interested in encouraging a child to get help from responsible adults for anxiety and possible OCD.
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Sorry if that sounds harsh, but your fear seems very real to you but your posts are the same boilerplate post that is almost literally every health anxiety post on this forum. The details never matter. It's harmful to you if we were to indulge your reassurance-seeking, and boring for us to talk in depth about things you shouldn't be giving time of day to, let alone us.
If reassurance was possible the fact 13-year-olds don't get OC should be more than enough to put it to bed. But it isn't.
The only reason people post, whether they're being "nice" or "harsh", is because they genuinely care when they think a kid is having a bad time. Only real-world help will sort this.
Ok
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I just have one more question: if this wasn’t erythoplakia, like if it was a burn or bite or something, would it sometimes feel like rough/velvety because that’s what it feels like sometimes and I don’t know I though if there’s a different feel in the tissues then the cells have changed or something I don’t know
Ok
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I just have one more question: if this wasn’t erythoplakia, like if it was a burn or bite or something, would it sometimes feel like rough/velvety because that’s what it feels like sometimes and I don’t know I though if there’s a different feel in the tissues then the cells have changed or something I don’t know
:shrug: :doh: :lac:
It's harmful to you if we were to indulge your reassurance-seeking, and boring for us to talk in depth about things you shouldn't be giving time of day to, let alone us.
I just want to know this and I’ll leave you alone
I just want to know this and I’ll leave you alone
You see you don't understand how this thing works, you won't leave us alone. You'll be temporarily reassured at best, then another thought will pop in your head you need validation for. It may be another thought about a the same thing or something new... a rash or a twitch or an ache or a spot or a bump...
We're Internet randoms. We have no idea what's going on in your mouth. How the hell could we? But we recognise the signs of anxiety disorders because we have them too and the patterns are desperately, depressingly familiar.
You're a kid obsessed with cancer, and a specific, ludicrous fear of a cancer you have no chance of getting. That's very sad. But there's very little a group of strangers half way round the world could - or indeed should - be doing. Get help in the real world now so you can in the future put this down to a phase of growing up not the start of a lifelong problem.
It's not about wanting you to "leave us alone", just stop trying to coax us into indulging your phantom illness fantasies, which are deeply unhealthy for you to keep going.
Violet Blue
02-02-18, 02:48
Axolotl, please don't let the OP wind you up, that is exactly the reaction they want. :hugs:
Axolotl, please don't let the OP wind you up, that is exactly the reaction they want.I don't believe it is, I think they could get far better results and try a lot harder it they really 'wanted a reaction'. You are presuming this person is trolling, I am not and axolotl is not either. I am seeing out of control health anxiety at this point in time, yes it can look like trolling because it is so repetitive and resistant to advice.
We've been here before haven't we, earlier in the thread Violet, and it led to an argument and a lot of upset, people making veiled accusations. I'd rather not jump to conclusions about posters, incase I am wrong and axolotl said the same.
Blaze, its not that we 'want you to leave us alone', we don't dislike you or anything.....we just don't want to see you struggling and suffering like this. We know there is nothing we can do that is going to be helpful to you and want you to find people who really can help you! You can come back here and talk about having done that, we'd like to hear of some progress in that :)
Violet Blue
02-02-18, 07:46
I don't believe it is, I think they could get far better results and try a lot harder it they really 'wanted a reaction'. You are presuming this person is trolling, I am not and axolotl is not either. I am seeing out of control health anxiety at this point in time, yes it can look like trolling because it is so repetitive and resistant to advice.
We've been here before haven't we, earlier in the thread Violet, and it led to an argument and a lot of upset, people making veiled accusations. I'd rather not jump to conclusions about posters, incase I am wrong and axolotl said the same.
Blaze, its not that we 'want you to leave us alone', we don't dislike you or anything.....we just don't want to see you struggling and suffering like this. We know there is nothing we can do that is going to be helpful to you and want you to find people who really can help you! You can come back here and talk about having done that, we'd like to hear of some progress in that :)
If the OP is a child they shouldn't be on here anyway. It's never a good idea to interact with a child on social media, that's dodgy even on this website.
But can I ask, is there any actual evidence that this is a thirteen year old American boy? Everything about what they are saying screams adult British woman to me.
I'm not getting wound up, just trying to chip away that the OP needs to sort out his problems in the real world. However I'm getting close to having nothing new to say.
Unfortunately there seems to be a strand of health anxiety shown by a lot of posters on here where coaxing people to talk about their phantom "illnesses" is more important to them than getting reassurance or practical advice. They don't (always) seem to realise it. As a GADer not an OCDer it's part of the thing I don't understand particularly well, but I know it is (usually) different to people purposefully making waves.
But can I ask, is there any actual evidence that this is a thirteen year old American boy? Everything about what they are saying screams adult British woman to me. There is no 'evidence' for any of us being who we say we are. We have to take people at face value posting here, otherwise we run the risk of saying something hurtful to them.
If the OP is a child they shouldn't be on here anyway. It's never a good idea to interact with a child on social media, that's dodgy even on this website.We are aware of that, but this discussion is happening in the full public domain and is clearly not 'dodgy' as is aimed at making the boy get real life help and NOT using the website. People should also not be afraid of talking with young people.
Please read this from Nic (NMP)
"and just for the record if I feel that someone is replying to a post just to have a dig or make a sarcastic comment I will start removing those comments and banning that member from the thread."
Can I also ask that if you are replying to a post that you believe is against forum rules please do not quote that post in your reply.
If an offending post is to be removed that is easy, but innocent members get upset if their posts also get deleted.
Also please read this thread as it gives more guidelines
http://www.nomorepanic.co.uk/showthread.php?t=182032
Sorry Elen, I should not have responded.
Sorry Elen, I should not have responded.
Carys, please don't apologise, you made valid points in your posts which is why I do not want to delete them.
My 2 cents worth if I may just caught up the last couple of pages hmm Ok when does the time come when enough has been said to any poster and no more can be done? I mean we can explain in detail to a poster what we think, we can reassure them, we can get blunt about it etc but if the OP isn't doing their bit to take on board what has been said (this applies to any thread) I just think there has to be a cut off point, what do others think as we have our own MH conditions to struggle through. This is not a moan but a observation :) ATB
MyNameIsTerry
02-02-18, 12:14
My 2 cents worth if I may just caught up the last couple of pages hmm Ok when does the time come when enough has been said to any poster and no more can be done? I mean we can explain in detail to a poster what we think, we can reassure them, we can get blunt about it etc but if the OP isn't doing their bit to take on board what has been said (this applies to any thread) I just think there has to be a cut off point, what do others think as we have our own MH conditions to struggle through. This is not a moan but a observation :) ATB
We are all free to walk away from a thread. What else is there?
In the past this argument has been used in putting a case to Admin about removing members under the guise of being for their mental health but it's always been accompanied by arguments between those who disagree over various things and I've always concluded it was more about restoring the forum back to It's norm because some just can't walk away from a thread.
In the case of one of these repetitive members she got onto meds and is doing much better. The repetitive posting has stopped and she was called a fake, a troll, etc. I wonder how she would be if we simply pushed her away? And I find it strange when the anxiety community face stigma by those ignorant of mental health that we want to do the same to some just because they don't fit within the narrow margins of our own views on what anxiety is.
Perhaps you need to state what you think is best? Raising the question without doing so might leave it open to assumptions.
Admin have to decide what is best for all and perhaps that means we have to tolerate things we don't like? We can keep bashing our heads against that brick wall but I think it's worth remembering that there may be some who dislike our use of the forum so it can be a slippery slope into a closed club of the like minded which is obviously the opposite of what Nic intended it to be from my experience of NMP.
There are many such situations. The suicide one always gets me. We aren't trained to handle it but some complain about a desperate person being triggering and it just staggers me that people can't see how that could push a button in that person. :shrug: Walk past the bridge, help or don't but running up to the police officer complaining it makes the bridge unsightly is just beyond words.
Yes fair point Terry and perhaps the question I posted should have been else where ad not in the middle of someones thread so do apologise to all. ATB
MyNameIsTerry
02-02-18, 12:27
It's a valid point, Dave, and it would be great to have like a professional guidance on this as well so we know what to do. It just attracts different points of view and there can be bias.
Maybe it's for another thread in general terms but in terms of what is best for Bl4ze, that's a good thing and completely valid. We've said all we can about that patch, the rest is mental health stuff and trying to encourage him to get his parents to take over.
Ok guys I’ll just stop posting then, I’m doing better on the anxiety part anyway
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But can I ask, is there any actual evidence that this is a thirteen year old American boy? Everything about what they are saying screams adult British woman to me.
Are you kidding me?
Bl4ze i'am interested how you have achieved in doing better with your anxiety this is a genuine question :) ATB
Well I guess I just kinda forget about most of the time now :blush:
Well I guess I just kinda forget about most of the time now :blush:
Excellent.
Why not try and spend the weekend without visiting this forum? I don't say that because you're annoying anyone, just it'll help you forget it and you really should have better things to do!
Well, that s perfect Blaze.....it gets boring doesn't it thinking about a small body 'issue' after a while. Go enjoy yourself and have a nice weekend :D
Ok guys I just have one thing that keeps bugging me. If it was a burn or bite or something, would it feel velvety or rough or something?
Think you know the answer all ready! This a HA trait and is reassurance seeking which will only feed the HA Dragon it's not good for you :) ATB
Ok guys I just have one thing that keeps bugging me. If it was a burn or bite or something, would it feel velvety or rough or something?
No idea.
Get off the forum and enjoy your weekend.
Can someone tell me tho??
Can someone tell me tho??
No.
You must know by now exactly why nearly everyone's walked away from this thread. This will likely be my last comment too - what else is left to say?
As with others, you do remind me a lot of another poster on here. I'm not saying that to suggest any fakery on your side, but to point out that she has been posting here for literally years with the same repetitive reassurance cycle and no heed of advice about actually getting better. Don't be that person. Make this a blip in your life, not the start of a pattern. Log off, stop asking people to swat your anxious thoughts away for you, seek advice for anxiety in the real world. Good luck.
Ok then, thx axolotl, it’s already been two weeks since this thing came, and my parents are stubborn that they won’t get it checked out my a dr or dentist, but if I do get it checked out or it goes away, I’ll update
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Also, it blanches, is that a good sign??
I had a black circle on my lips a few weeks ago, I forgot that I bit my lip when eating a sandwich in the middle of the night, I assumed it was cancer of course but it vanished over a few days, I gnawed the inside of my cheek a good one last night, I looked today and it looked messed up, don't think it's terminal this time. I try not to look at any part of myself too much because I make crazy connections, not so crazy if it turns out to be serious though, so it pays to pay attention even if you're hyper attentive! If there are not developing symptoms or worsening of the localized site, just monitor it for degradation, inflammation, pain and whatever, get it checked out if it's hanging over you, they studied a long time and deal with it day in and day out so they'll tell you straight, otherwise get on with life as much as you can, even if you believe you're dying, you have to have an existence that does not just entail despair and fear.
Ok thx confetti, but no one has answered my question yet
Ok thx confetti, but no one has answered my question yet
Please tell your parents you're spending your weekend on an Internet forum asking random adults about your mouth. Hopefully this jolts them into getting you some help.
Final comment to you there Blaze, good luck getting these obsessions out of your head.
Ok guys I just have one thing that keeps bugging me. If it was a burn or bite or something, would it feel velvety or rough or something?
You've asked this same question before Blaze. I know I shouldn't, but I'll answer this one more time. Yes, I think it could....but....and I've said this before earlier in the thread a few times; an area that is naturally rubbing against teeth could also feel a bit 'grainy' in texture. Blaze, you need to do two things here;
1. When you want an answer to the same questions you've asked before....go back to the start of this thread and read all the replies. Do this instead of asking the question. Our replies won't change, they are all written here time and time again.
2. Do as Axolotl said; (and many have asked that you do) Find someone, anyone, who you think can help you in the real world. It's nothing to be embarrased about, at your age I had the same problem and people too it very seriously then. You MUST have someone who is responsible for your well-being at school. Ask to see them, tell them that you are very anxious and worried, it is affecting your life and you are spending time on this forum. Why are you worried about doing this, what is stopping you?
MyNameIsTerry
04-02-18, 13:26
Ok thx confetti, but no one has answered my question yet
All questions have been answered. This is very typical of black & white thinking, the subconscious is demanding a yes or no, true or false because it closes the loop. But then it just starts off doubt and nuances the question to ask it again.
It doesn't like shades of grey and uncertainty. Classic anxiety stuff.
Reassurance seeking never works with this until you've learned to take information and apply it without re entering that cycle.
You are very young and we have to remember this as you are learning about these disorders. But we also know that we can go so far to help & explain and then we need to be wary of feeding your anxiety through our replies.
It’s bern two weeks , still showing no signs of going away
I don't think we can give much more advice on this every avenue has been said to you, you need to talk with a trusted adult now we are exhausted now go and enjoy the rest of your day :) ATB
Guys if u can answer this it would really help me out a lot so please: The patch blanches, does that mean it’s blood or something because doesn’t blood only blanch??
Nope sorry we cant Bl4ze go and enjoy the rest of your day! ATB
What's blanching, cos to me that's about cooking vegetables ?
Blanching is when I press on it it disappears, like blood
......but if you press on any area in the mouth it goes paler, right ? Thats what the body does.
MyNameIsTerry
06-02-18, 16:50
......but if you press on any area in the mouth it goes paler, right ? Thats what the body does.
Yep. Blood moves away.
Just like if you spend a week prodding a lymph node it swells. Or picking a scab stops it healing.
Bl4ze these sorts of questions are about normal functioning and it's often where anxiety takes us to. I've been through it too with questioning how my body should feel when I do x, y or z. It's just anxiety trying to look for more risks, escape it's current focusing somehow like Dave said.
Like press on ur hand, and let go the blood rushes back
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No guys I’m saying the red patch goes paler when I press on it
...and so it should....that happens on any part of the mouth. The blood gets pushed away and then it comes back, when you let go.
If your saying that it’s normal, I don’t think so because in November I bit my check very hard on accident while eating and it was bleeding a lot and it was near the spot where the patch is now and it wasn’t there when I looked at it in the mirror but now the patch is so it wasn’t there before
Again I will say this is your HA convincing you its some thing serious when its not :) Now you tell us you bit your cheek very hard so theres your answer ATB
How are u so sure that it’s normal?? Is there any other condition that presents like a red patch in mouth??
See your parents about this Blaze, or a teacher in school.
See your parents about this Blaze, or a teacher in school.
This is now the only message we can, or should be, giving you.
If u guys keep saying get help with ur ha over and over again but how is that supposed to help with the red patch??
See your teacher and/or parents Blaze about your HA, and tell them about the 'red patch' you are obsessing about and posting about online for weeks (following your other serious health concern a few weeks before). Tell them what you think it is, explain you are unhealthily obsessed by it and started checking it in November.
No, I didn’t check it in November, I just bit my cheek hard in November and it was bleeding and I looked at it that’s all. I don’t think it was there November
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My parents already know about the ha and red patch but won’t take me to dr or dentist
My parents already know about the ha and red patch but won’t take me to dr or dentist
I'm really sorry to hear that Blaze, you might have to now try a well-being person at school, or counsellor or trusted teacher ?
Nope, I don’t really know any counselors at school, don’t really have close teachers or teachers that I’m comfortable to talk about this with, so.........
nomorepanic
07-02-18, 21:17
The only person that can correctly diagnose anything is a doctor or a dentist. If your parents won't take you and you say there is no-one else that can help then I am not sure what else to suggest we can do.
Well maybe u guys can help me
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By telling me what else it can be
nomorepanic
07-02-18, 21:59
I think everyone has tried but how can we know what it is - we are not doctor's?
I Still think the school support system is the way to go on this, the counsellors will be fully trained to help you and CAN be trusted :) They wont fob you off and will get you the help you need. Like Nic states we aren't medically trained, is there a nurse at the school you could talk to? ATB
Catherine S
07-02-18, 23:44
I think you've exhausted all avenues here Bl4ze. You really do need to take a break from the forum and get help in the real world. As Nicola. ..the forum owner...has said, we don't know what it is because we're not doctors. Perhaps we need to stop posting reassurances about this now too.
Guys I CANT GO TO THE DR PARENTS WONT TAKE ME
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I don’t want to talk to the counselor, I’m too embarrassed and I don’t think they can help me!! The counsleors we have in our school aren’t for things like this they are for academics
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So I don’t know what to do, everything says if there’s a red patch or a white patch, if it’s not gone in two weeks then to go to dr
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And my parents won’t take me
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Ok now I really feel like I might die I’m so scared, I started spiraling again I don’t know why
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At 13 how can I get OC??!!!
What do you expect us to be able to do Blaze? (and don't say, tell me what else it could be except OC, because we've done that for weeks). We are in a different country, non-medical internet strangers who have never even seen you. What CAN we actually do to help?
Only someone in real life can help you. You need to find someone at school, a tutor, anyone. Or ring mental health services in your area, or another family member.
disinfect it at first with natural things like are extreme strong Camomile tea Three days in a Row it should leave after but do NOT drink it just rinse
Well ok is it affecting you schooling? If we could help you we would, still not sure why your parents wont intervene on your behalf it's very sad and that pain I do feel for you. You are going to have speak to some adult at the school how ever embarrising it may seem it has to be done :) I did ask is there a school nurse you didn't reply so I take it there isn't. we are stuck as to what to suggest to you. ATB
At 13 how can I get OC??!!!
You've nailed it... you can't.
If u guys keep saying get help with ur ha over and over again but how is that supposed to help with the red patch??
I'm going to say something at the risk of being patronising, but you don't understand what we're trying to repeatedly tell you, and we've exhausted all avenues of doing so. I know you think it's hard but you need to get real-world help from an adult. Please show your parents this thread if you have to.
disinfect it at first with natural things like are extreme strong Camomile tea Three days in a Row it should leave after but do NOT drink it just rinse
So should I rinse with salt water??
So should I rinse with salt water??
With respect to Ferrolix and their well-meaning advice, I'm not sure we should be encouraging Blaze to "treat" this. While nothing here will do any harm, I wouldn't want him to start freaking out if it doesn't "cure" something.
Do..... your saying you don’t want it to go away??
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Because I REALLY want it to go away
Do..... your saying you don’t want it to go away??
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Because I REALLY want it to go away
Oh Blaze, give it a rest with this routine. If you honestly don't understand what people are trying to tell you here maybe it's a sign it's not the right place to get help...which is a responsible adult in the real world
But I should be treating it, because I want it to go away, if I don’t do anything it might just stay and I’ll be anxious about it for a long time
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Everything I’ve seen says that if there’s a red lesion in your mouth for more than two weeks go to the dr...., it’s been over two week
So, how can WE take you to the doctor or dentist Blaze? (not that I think you need to go you understand)
How can WE tell your parents to take you to get some therapy for your HA ?
How can WE talk to someone at school for you ?
I know this is rough, and you feel lost at the moment, but we are now at a loss....what more can we do ?
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