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witherz
02-07-07, 19:09
help can you please help me i am having severe panic attacks daily with a constant background of anxiety. i feel totally afraid of thoughts i am having re what if i thought the toaster was talking to me or what if all these people are not real to name a couple they are all totally stupid thoughts. totallly mad i know but i think these thoughts are so daft and yet they generate such fear in me, am i crazy.

nomorepanic
02-07-07, 19:38
Hi there

Have a read of the First Steps page and the Symptoms ones on the left.

These are common panic things to experience.

Are you eating regularly and practising relaxation and correct breathing?

witherz
02-07-07, 20:26
thanx so much it makes so much difference for somone to say it is common with anxiety

blackie
03-07-07, 12:47
Hiya
Like nicola said these are common signs of panic.
Have you seen anyone about you anxiety like a doctor?
Talking to someone can really help to expalin the symptoms and CBT is meant to be really good at helping change the thought pattererns behind panic.
Hope it gets better
Take care
Blackie

ana
04-07-07, 18:10
It is completely normal. I used to have a lot of unwanted thoughts. i felt like my body wasn't mine, like I was unreal. The people around me seemed unreal too. Everything seemed unreal! That's just the way with fear, anxiety.
Don't worry, I used to worry about the same things. I thought I was the only one in this world to have panic attacks. The truth is, you are not going crazy and there are millions of people feeling the way you do.
Unwanted thoughts are often silly and confusing. I used to have them all the time.
No worries, all will be ok!
Hugs
Ana

Piglet
04-07-07, 18:12
Hope you're feeling a little better today mate.??

Piglet :flowers:

Lindalou64
04-07-07, 21:53
witherz... when i first got this i thot of the weirdest things god i use to freak myself out.its our minds playing games with us hun....it will subside just tell yourself this is not real ya know...hope you start to feeling better you are not mad its just mind games........wish ya the best.....Linda

flatterycat
05-07-07, 10:09
Hi there
I'm the same. The thought are SO odd!!!!!! I can see someone on TV and think "Oh my, what if I hink start thinking they are sending me messages!" That is just one of so many. At the moment I'm frightened of losing my mind so much. I think it's all about control issues - fear of losing control.

Love Sarah x

groovygranny
05-07-07, 14:13
I think Sarah has hit the nail on the head here - it is indeed all about control.

The two that used to bother me most were:


" what if I'm invisible and people don't know I'm here "

and

" what if my husband/family/friends etc (in fact everybody!) are really imposters?"

Plus loads of other crazy stuff (like when I was walking around a shop hanging for dear life on to my daughter's jacket , and thinking there were little cameras in amongst all the goods on the shelves!) - and all about fear of losing control.

You are definitley NOT crazy !!

:hugs:


:flowers:

tryintfloat
06-07-07, 20:06
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THE ANXIETY COACH®
Helping People Thrive in an Anxious World
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Volume 8, Issue 4


IN THIS ISSUE

Dr. Carbonell writes about intrusive thoughts that people
experience of harming others, and how the publicity that
accompanies notorious crimes, such as the recent shootings
at Virginia Tech, often aggravates people's concerns.

CONSUMER ADVISORY: this article mentions specific examples
of such thoughts. If you do not want to be exposed to
such examples, read no further.


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INDEX
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1. Dave's Note

2. Understanding Intrusive Thoughts

3. About The Anxiety Coach®



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Dave's Note
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April 30, 2007


Dear Reader,


This month's article is about intrusive thoughts of murder and
mayhem. People who experience these kind of obsessive thoughts
will generally need to confront them as part of the recovery
process. However, some people feel so traumatized by these
thoughts that they do not wish to hear about them.

If this is your position, simply delete this issue, and I'll
see you next month.

If you're a professional therapist looking for training in the
treatment of anxiety disorders, you may be interested in my
upcoming workshop schedule. To see this schedule, visit:
http://anxietycoach.c.topica.com/maagjVvabybhmciR8QXb/ (http://anxietycoach.c.topica.com/maagjVvabybhmciR8QXb/)

And if you're looking to purchase a copy of my self help
book, Panic Attacks Workbook, you will find it at this link:
http://anxietycoach.c.topica.com/maagjVvabybhnciR8QXb/ (http://anxietycoach.c.topica.com/maagjVvabybhnciR8QXb/)

See you next month!


Dave Carbonell



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Understanding Intrusive Thoughts
by David A. Carbonell, Ph.D.
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In the weeks since the shootings at Virginia Tech, many people
have called and come to my office, afraid of their thoughts.

They read the stories about this terrible event and they
wonder "What if I did that? What prevents me from snapping
and committing horrible acts like that?"

The same thing happened after other terrible crimes, such
as the Columbine murders, the Jeffrey Dahmer murders, and
the Susan Smith murders, among others.

Hearing about such real-life tragedies is especially difficult
for people who have already been struggling with unwanted,
ugly thoughts of murder and mayhem. These are people whose
fearful imagination imposes horrible thoughts on them - about
tossing babies out windows, driving into oncoming traffic or
off bridges, running over pedestrians, stabbing loved ones,
and more, each thought more foul and upsetting than the last.

It's a terrible thing when people experience these kinds of
thoughts, because they often feel so scared and ashamed that
they can't bring themselves to confide in anyone about the
awful thoughts they're experiencing. They struggle and worry
with only brief periods of relief.

So I'm going to write about this now, while it's fresh on
people's minds, to offer some help to those who live in dread
of these thoughts, and just don't understand them.

These kinds of thoughts are called obsesssions, and are
surprisingly common. For instance, surveys suggest that 40%
of depressed women with children under the age of three have
thoughts of harming their children. For women who are not
depressed, the figure is 7%, still rather high. Overall, it
is believed that at least 1% of the population in the U.S.
experiences horrific obsessions and becomes very upset and
troubled by them - that's nearly 3 million Americans.
Studies also suggest that millions more experience the same
kinds of thoughts, but are able to dismiss them as nonsense,
rather than become preoccupied with them.

Obsessive thoughts are persistent, intrusive "what if?"
thoughts about terrible events which the individual doesn't
want to happen. When a person who experiences these thoughts
reads about some brutal, inexplicable crime, they tend to
assume that the killers were people with thoughts like
theirs, who just "snapped" one day and went on a murderous
spree. And they worry that they might do the same.

For people who become fearful of such thoughts, it's common
for them to take all kinds of "protective" measures. For
instance, fearful parents will often avoid solo contact with
their child. People with obsessions about harming others
will avoid knives and sharp objects. People who fear
running over a pedestrian will circle the same block, again
and again, trying to satisfy themselves that nothing happened.

People who suffer with these thoughts often think that the
solution is for them to somehow become perfectly certain that
they will never commit such crimes. This isn't the solution
because it's impossible to become certain about future,
hypothetical events. You can be "pretty sure" about a lot of
things, but feeling absolutely sure about the future is just
not possible. And when these efforts to be sure fail, as
they must, the person usually feels more afraid.

How can you tell the difference between harmless (however
upsetting) obsessive thoughts, and thoughts which predict
dangerous behavior? Here's how I do it.

When I discuss obsessive thoughts with a client, I take any
of the following four signs to be a sign of potential danger.

1.If a person is not upset by the thoughts, but regards them
as okay, or even enjoyable.
2.If a person has a history of actual violent acts against
people or animals.
3.If a person sees and hears things which are not actually
present, and seems unable to tell the difference between
fantasy and reality.
4.If a person feels, not fear, but strong anger accompanying
these thoughts.

On the other hand, if I'm working with a person who experiences
these awful "what if?" thoughts and who doesn't meet any of
these four criteria, I'm generally satisfied that the problem
is obsessive, not criminal or psychotic.

If this helps you see that obsessive thoughts are your problem,
then your next step might be to consult with a psychologist who
has expertise in treating obsessive thoughts. A good place to
find one is the Obsessive Compulsive Foundation, at:
http://anxietycoach.c.topica.com/maagjVvabybhociR8QXb/ (http://anxietycoach.c.topica.com/maagjVvabybhociR8QXb/)


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