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Blue23Blent
25-07-18, 19:34
I had a mucocele on my inner lip which has recently been removed. This was in June and during this time I worried it was cancer even though doctors informed me otherwise. I then looked in the back of my throat and noticed red blotches. This led me to google about throat cancer and am now convinced I have it. I began looking in my throat constantly and around my mouth. I then began having symptoms such as dry mouth, burning feeling, dry base of tongue feeling like something was there. I also feel like something is growing in my throat and have difficulty swallowing occasionally. This has been going on for a month or more with no relief. I’ve been to ENT for follow up on mucocele surgery and he checked it out. He informed me my throat looks cobblestones and says it might be allergies (which I’ve never had) or acid reflux. I have since recently noticed my tongue was yellowish.
Anyone else have these issues?
I’ve been to ENT for follow up on mucocele surgery and he checked it out. He informed me my throat looks cobblestones and says it might be allergies (which I’ve never had) or acid reflux.
There you go!:D
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Blue23Blent
25-07-18, 19:42
He didn't look all the way down my throat though. What if he missed something? Should I get a second opinion?
This led me to google about throat cancer and am now convinced I have it.
What can you learn from the above statement?
Have you tried taking something for reflux rather than assuming you have cancer? Tried treating the anxiety maybe?
An ENT said you don’t have throat cancer, there’s your answer.
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Blue23Blent
25-07-18, 19:53
What can you learn from the above statement?
Why would the symptoms last this long if it wasn't something more serious? I've tried everything to not think about it but it keeps returning.
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The ENT wanted me to have testing before medicating. He tested me for allergies but I wasn't able to do the 24 hour PH probe test. Have a follow up with him tomorrow and will ask about reflux medication. I don't feel like I have reflux though that's why I have doubts. I don't smoke or drink but still concerned it could be HPV caused.
The allergy test came back positive for just dust. Which I've never had issues with dust and that doesn't make sense that this would start randomly since my mucocele.
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Have you tried taking something for reflux rather than assuming you have cancer? Tried treating the anxiety maybe?
An ENT said you don’t have throat cancer, there’s your answer.
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The ENT wanted me to have testing before medicating. He tested me for allergies but I wasn't able to do the 24 hour PH probe test. Have a follow up with him tomorrow and will ask about reflux medication. I don't feel like I have reflux though that's why I have doubts. I don't smoke or drink but still concerned it could be HPV caused.
The allergy test came back positive for just dust. Which I've never had issues with dust and that doesn't make sense that this would start randomly since my mucocele.
I'm a Head and Neck Cancer survivor.
Cancer is an uncontrolled growth of abnormal cells. It doesn't come and go nor does it stop once it starts.
Anyway... this is similar to the thousands of other throat cancer posts and not one in the time I've been on the boards has been anything sinister. You won't be the first I assure you!
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AMomentofClarity
25-07-18, 20:01
If you’re going to google, I’d recommend looking up the schooling/training requirements (residency, etc) of ENTs compared to other physicians. They are extremely highly trained and specialized. They know what cancer looks like.
Blue23Blent
25-07-18, 20:02
Has anyone experienced or throat looks like the photo I posted? Here is another angle that may be better.
Blue23Blent
25-07-18, 20:06
I'm a Head and Neck Cancer survivor.
Cancer is an uncontrolled growth of abnormal cells. It doesn't come and go nor does it stop once it starts.
Anyway... this is similar to the thousands of other throat cancer posts and not one in the time I've been on the boards has been anything sinister. You won't be the first I assure you!
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By come and go I mean at some points during the day it feels better then other times it feels dry and troublesome again.
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If you’re going to google, I’d recommend looking up the schooling/training requirements (residency, etc) of ENTs compared to other physicians. They are extremely highly trained and specialized. They know what cancer looks like.
Not sure what's causing me not to trust the ENT. I think it's because of the symptoms I'm having. He also seemed really laid back like nothing was wrong.
AMomentofClarity
25-07-18, 20:07
Has anyone experienced or throat looks like the photo I posted? Here is another angle that may be better.4146
You have a professional ENT that says you’re fine, but you’d rather have an opinion from untrained strangers on the Internet??? Does that seem logical to you???
Not sure what's causing me not to trust the ENT.
Severe Health Anxiety perhaps? :whistles:
Are you getting any help for that?
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Why are you posting on an anxiety forum?
Have you looked up the throat symptoms for anxiety?
And lastly, when does it bother you most?
By all means go and see another doctor. I don’t think anything we say will help you.
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Oh my, fishmanpa must be getting crazy with all these posts :)
I just had eval form top oral cancer surgeon. I had similar symptoms, growth in base of throat, irritation of the area, dry throat, and above all, lots of panic attacks about these, etc. None of these are apparently cancer symptoms.
HPV+ cancer apparently presents with cystic mass on the neck. Even when it is only 2mm tumor growth, it already spreads down to the neck fast. In addition, there might be a hard knuckle growth on the lingual tonsil area. Like you can't feel or see the growth, but if you palpate the area, there will be a hard rock acorn in there. And last, sometimes, it can cause one sided ear pain..but that can be caused by many other things.
Basically, I have enlarged lingual tonsils due to acid reflex. Didn't believe the first 2 highly trained ENTs who told me that...but when I got to the Head of oral surgery in UCLA...and he said the same...well, its hard to worry anymore. I still feel all of the symptoms that you feel. Take nexium for 3 months. Its chronic condition though...so it might never go away.
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Amoment ofClarity...don't be so judgmental. HA sucks...and its not possible to control. Mean comments don't help.
I had two Oral surgeons tell me I don't have cancer, yet had several panic attacks. The internet tells you this cancer is very hard to diagnose. So I get it...
It really sucks to have something in your mouth...you can't forget, even if your doc says "its just acid reflux". It is "something"...just not cancer.
Blue23Blent
25-07-18, 23:37
Oh my, fishmanpa must be getting crazy with all these posts :)
I just had eval form top oral cancer surgeon. I had similar symptoms, growth in base of throat, irritation of the area, dry throat, and above all, lots of panic attacks about these, etc. None of these are apparently cancer symptoms.
HPV+ cancer apparently presents with cystic mass on the neck. Even when it is only 2mm tumor growth, it already spreads down to the neck fast. In addition, there might be a hard knuckle growth on the lingual tonsil area. Like you can't feel or see the growth, but if you palpate the area, there will be a hard rock acorn in there. And last, sometimes, it can cause one sided ear pain..but that can be caused by many other things.
Basically, I have enlarged lingual tonsils due to acid reflex. Didn't believe the first 2 highly trained ENTs who told me that...but when I got to the Head of oral surgery in UCLA...and he said the same...well, its hard to worry anymore. I still feel all of the symptoms that you feel. Take nexium for 3 months. Its chronic condition though...so it might never go away.
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Amoment ofClarity...don't be so judgmental. HA sucks...and its not possible to control. Mean comments don't help.
I had two Oral surgeons tell me I don't have cancer, yet had several panic attacks. The internet tells you this cancer is very hard to diagnose. So I get it...
It really sucks to have something in your mouth...you can't forget, even if your doc says "its just acid reflux". It is "something"...just not cancer.
I think the main thing for me is this extreme health anxiety that makes all of my symptoms over the top. I have a follow up tomorrow with the same ENT. I've always been filled with anxiety and worry whenever I have something that could potentially be cancer. My past two scares (cyst and mucocele) have been nothing.
Any tips on how to stop the worry even when symptoms persist?
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Why are you posting on an anxiety forum?
Have you looked up the throat symptoms for anxiety?
And lastly, when does it bother you most?
By all means go and see another doctor. I don’t think anything we say will help you.
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What are throat symptoms caused by anxiety. Also, It bothers me most throughout the day and seems to be not so bad at night.
Yes, I know it is horrible, very very nasty...because you have something and it feels like what else can it be. It is very bizarre but actual HPV cancer...you DON'T HAVE THE FEELING that you have something.
I stopped my anxiety by going to a top oncologist. No trips to my VERY well trained ENTs helped. My ENT #1 scoped me 3 times. he said there is no way this is cancer.
I felt ok for 24 hours, then panic set in again.
Then second opinion ENT...sits on the tumor board of large hospital. still didn't reassure me. Within 48 hrs, I was a mess...constantly staring my throat, and palpating things.
So...I found the top of the top, head of neck oncology, world famous, published author, etc...and he told me the same. What is funny is he also said he has trained my other two ENTs at some time. So...well trained ENTs know what to look for.
When I read these kind of statements before, didn't help me. So I don't know what can help you.
I guess when you exhaust every channel...you will have no choice but to stop worrying.
the expert told me.."I don't know how to help you, but maybe when you hear it from 3-4 people, you will be forced to move on"
So...I finally moved on (I think!). it was hell of a 4 months.
I PROMISE YOU ARE OK!!!
Blue23Blent
26-07-18, 00:22
It's crazy because some days it feels like it's going to get better but then it comes back and seems worse than before. Then I get back into freaking out that it's something serious and can't seem to break the cycle. I just want the ENT to solve the symptoms. Troubling and uncomfortable. It's like when I swallow the food is trying to get forced down and there is no saliva to do it.
AMomentofClarity
26-07-18, 00:24
Yes, I know it is horrible, very very nasty...because you have something and it feels like what else can it be. It is very bizarre but actual HPV cancer...you DON'T HAVE THE FEELING that you have something.
I stopped my anxiety by going to a top oncologist. No trips to my VERY well trained ENTs helped. My ENT #1 scoped me 3 times. he said there is no way this is cancer.
I felt ok for 24 hours, then panic set in again.
Then second opinion ENT...sits on the tumor board of large hospital. still didn't reassure me. Within 48 hrs, I was a mess...constantly staring my throat, and palpating things.
So...I found the top of the top, head of neck oncology, world famous, published author, etc...and he told me the same. What is funny is he also said he has trained my other two ENTs at some time. So...well trained ENTs know what to look for.
When I read these kind of statements before, didn't help me. So I don't know what can help you.
I guess when you exhaust every channel...you will have no choice but to stop worrying.
the expert told me.."I don't know how to help you, but maybe when you hear it from 3-4 people, you will be forced to move on"
So...I finally moved on (I think!). it was hell of a 4 months.
I PROMISE YOU ARE OK!!!
With all due respect, this is terrible advice for anxiety treatment. Seeking out “top oncologists”??? That’s reassurance seeking on steroids. Great that it worked for you, but it generally perpetuates a never ending cycle of health anxiety. The OP should be focused on treating their mental illness, not chasing down reassurance for a physical illness that doesn’t exist.
Yes, no need to tell me...I had 4 month of this hell. Rotate two good days, and then boom, worse days. It went so bad that two days before my big test in UCLA I only layed down in the bed, and didn't want to stand up. I was so sure I have it, I watched the videos of surgery, read everything in the medial journals...poor hell!
I hope ENT will solve it for you. But he won't...you will NOT believe the same ENT.
Dr expert told me...one CT scan could have solved your problem right away.
Now the wait for results is horrible. But if you have facility that gives report same day...you might try that. Overall, its horrible thing to live through.
Just find one thing that will finally zap it.
It won't be your ENT though. HA people don't trust doctors. You need some sort of test. CT scan is the fastest one :)
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Amoment ofClarity
I get it and I tried really hard to follow what you say, as I have REALLY bad anxiety.
What makes this issue different is...the symptoms are NOT all on your head. You have pain. Its not like oh ok, health anxiety...move on. How do you move on when your throat HURTS?
So...the reassurance is a problem when everything you have is ONLY anxiety. When you have REAL problem...you go find a doctor who can evaluate you, and has credentials to rule it out.
Bad things do happen to HA people. It is not right to say...oh this is your anxiety, you are fine.
The OP needs to find a way to fix his problem. vague "you are fine" will just spin him out of control. No reading of how reassurance is bad for you will help with the pain in your throat.
I forgot to mention that this issue is often CHRONIC (meaning it doesn't get better in 4 months, or 10 months, so it always reminds you that you have it)...so lots of ppl become "cancerophobic" when it happens. Not only HA. And they go to 25 doctors. Its very common.
So...this is not you regular HA problem.
AMomentofClarity
26-07-18, 00:50
So...this is not you regular HA problem.
You’re kidding right!?!? Aches and pains that have been cleared or diagnosed benign by a doctor, yet still considered life threatening by the poster constitute 90% of the posts on here....here being an ANXIETY website...
The OP has been examined and is actively working through things with an ENT. Encouraging them to self refer to oncologists for additional reassurance is completely irresponsible.
I am not kidding. I have had all sorts of other anxiety driven things, so I know.
There are millions of stories of patients misdiagnosed with throat cancer, including Michael Douglas...by lots of doctors. You are one click away of becoming HA about this issue even if you were not before.
I think the HA advise should not be followed blindly.
Like I can show you the oral cancer forum...you see the same posts, exactly SAME like this one.
And all oral cancer patients tell you...seek doctor after doctor until you get diagnosed.
So a person with HA posts here, gets the "you are fine, its just HA, trust your dr", and then there "call 10 ENTs because only oral cancer specialist gets this thing correct". Horribly confusing.
The truth is in the middle. You need a diagnosis and a solution. It is not cancer. But it hurts, and you need to be 100% sure why.
PS. You think the OP will get scoped again by the same ENT and will happily move on? Really? You can only work on your anxiety AFTER the panic mode is over.
Like I can show you the oral cancer forum...you see the same posts, exactly SAME like this one. And all oral cancer patients tell you...seek doctor after doctor until you get diagnosed.
I'm an oral cancer survivor. I was on the oral cancer forums during my battle with the beast. The reason I'm here is because of HA posters doing exactly what many others have done. I came here because I followed a couple of serial posters to this site and found they were posting on the cancer forums and on several anxiety forums. I wanted to give them a piece of my mind as it's disrespectful to those suffering. I ended up staying to help. I know what the symptoms are. I know dozens of survivors and how it presented to them all and I have my own personal experience.
You will find one or two that went to several doctors before they found it but for 99% of us, it was obvious. You did a pure HA thing by latching onto those rare cases to justify your fear. When it comes to treatment, I do agree about getting a 2nd or even 3rd opinion as you're putting your life in their hands, but not so when it comes to getting diagnosed. I knew something was amiss. My GP monitored it and when he realized something was up it was fast track city! The ENT that diagnosed me said flat out "This is cancer. I'm not sure what kind yet but I've seen enough to know it is." I had a FNAB and was diagnosed a week later.
These doctors and the specialists you saw told you as well. The doctors have told the OP too! I would have been jumping for joy had ONE doctor tell me I was fine! None did. So when I see things like this?... Arrgggg!
Count your blessings and be thankful. I was really sick. I had no choice but to undergo treatment. Many here are really ill too but the difference is you have a choice to get treatment. You can chase a diagnosis that will never come or treat the illness you do have. What will you do?
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Fishmanpa
You are a wonderful member and has helped me personally a lot. But you were the ONLY one from the REAL forum who told me to trust my drs. I have so many messages from members, all urging me to skip my doctors and present myself in comprehensive care center asap. I tried to escape the grip, but once the members put an end target...comprehensive center specialist..I could not move on by self assuring myself that I am just anxious.
So I agree that anxiety caused me to even go to the oral cancer forum, once you do get there, there is no easy way out.
Same with OP. If you cant trust your ENT, because you read google, you are coming to this forum for reassurance, but you wont stop here..you will browse and browse endlessly.
So while I might have not broken my HA cycle, I am worry free today because I faced my biggest fear, went to a very scary test, lived through sitting next to many newly diagnosed cancer patients in the lobby, and overcame my problem. Today I feel good.
I did spend 4 months trying to follow the conventional "dont search for reassurance" advise and the moment I feel the pain, I would immediately relapse.
All I am offering is how I personally found peace. While suffering from oral cancer is horrendous, being in panic, suffocating and shaking is not a walk in the park either.
Could I work on my anxiety before I am sure that I am disease free? It did not work for me.
I am NOT advising the OP to go to oral cancer clinic. I am just saying what my dr told me...one quick CT scan and you could have been worry free. No need to agonize for months...in my opinion.
I think what Fishmanpa and others are getting at is that chasing down specialists is only going to bring resolution to the CURRENT concern. In reality it makes our HA worse, not in the short term, but in the long term because you are now trained to need that specific reassurance. Sooner or later there will be a new symptom striking a fear of some other cancer or other serious health issue, and the cycle repeats itself.
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I think the main thing for me is this extreme health anxiety that makes all of my symptoms over the top. I have a follow up tomorrow with the same ENT. I've always been filled with anxiety and worry whenever I have something that could potentially be cancer. My past two scares (cyst and mucocele) have been nothing.
Any tips on how to stop the worry even when symptoms persist?
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What are throat symptoms caused by anxiety. Also, It bothers me most throughout the day and seems to be not so bad at night.
There are lots of articles on this forum, or on google.
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Blue23Blent
26-07-18, 13:30
Could health anxiety cause all these symptoms? Is it possible for the irritation to be caused by swallowing too much and opening my mouth to check it out constantly for like the past month?
I've never had symptoms like this but it also didn't seem like they started until I had the mucocele and started inspecting my mouth more often. Then google: everything that comes back with throat issues has cancer attached to it. It's a struggle because I constantly go through these cycles where I'm like it's just anxiety and then right after "But what if"
CancerSurvivors
26-07-18, 14:48
Have you looked up the throat symptoms for anxiety?
Blue23Blent
26-07-18, 18:18
I just had my ENT appointment this Morning. He spoke with me about my allergy test and what's going on with my throat. I explained to him how I'm anxious about what's going on and asked him "Are you sure you don't need to do a scope or anything."
He did a scope to make me feel better. He said everything looked normal, if anything this confirms the acid reflux. Now I'm thinking in my head "well, he didn't do a full endoscopy so it could still be something serious" :/
GET OUT OF MY OWN HEAD!
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I just had my ENT appointment this Morning. He spoke with me about my allergy test and what's going on with my throat. I explained to him how I'm anxious about what's going on and asked him "Are you sure you don't need to do a scope or anything."
He did a scope to make me feel better. He said everything looked normal, if anything this confirms the acid reflux. Now I'm thinking in my head "well, he didn't do a full endoscopy so it could still be something serious" :/
GET OUT OF MY OWN HEAD!
This is a case where nothing has come back to be cancerous yet I'm having HA still. :/
AMomentofClarity
26-07-18, 18:33
This is a case where nothing has come back to be cancerous yet I'm having HA still. :/
So what are you doing to treat your anxiety?
I told you so :) You will NOT believe the same ENT. I just been exactly where you are. If your doubt came back after your first visit, then it will come back DOUBLE now.
Ok...so people here suggest that you stay away from the internet, and take care somehow of your anxiety. Trust your dr, don't seek reassurance, and break your HA cycle.
That might be true in the long term, but for short term, you got to move past this panic BEFORE you can do all the things above.
In my humble experience, you will not be able to deal with your anxiety at this current state of mind. The reason is you will find countless of articles of people with oral cancer who were legit missed by ENTs for months. Even the damn oral cancer medical manual says time from presenting to dr to diagnosis on average is 9 months.
Please don't be scared about these findings, if you sneak in and google and find them. I read them all, they are out there, and there is virtually nothing else...there is no alternative for people with acid reflux and throat pain.
You got to decide what is the ultimate thing that can bring you relief. For me, that was meeting an expert. For you, it might be 20 trips to the same ENT. You just have to understand where is your fear will be curbed.
Then...do exactly that. Calm your nerves. And then form there, when cancer is fully ruled out for YOU (and it WILL BE ruled out), then write down all the things that you just experienced and try to understand what was legit pain, and what was HA.
that is what I do anyway. Will see how long the calm lasts.
YOU ARE FINE
Blue23Blent
26-07-18, 20:13
I told you so :) You will NOT believe the same ENT. I just been exactly where you are. If your doubt came back after your first visit, then it will come back DOUBLE now.
Ok...so people here suggest that you stay away from the internet, and take care somehow of your anxiety. Trust your dr, don't seek reassurance, and break your HA cycle.
That might be true in the long term, but for short term, you got to move past this panic BEFORE you can do all the things above.
In my humble experience, you will not be able to deal with your anxiety at this current state of mind. The reason is you will find countless of articles of people with oral cancer who were legit missed by ENTs for months. Even the damn oral cancer medical manual says time from presenting to dr to diagnosis on average is 9 months.
Please don't be scared about these findings, if you sneak in and google and find them. I read them all, they are out there, and there is virtually nothing else...there is no alternative for people with acid reflux and throat pain.
You got to decide what is the ultimate thing that can bring you relief. For me, that was meeting an expert. For you, it might be 20 trips to the same ENT. You just have to understand where is your fear will be curbed.
Then...do exactly that. Calm your nerves. And then form there, when cancer is fully ruled out for YOU (and it WILL BE ruled out), then write down all the things that you just experienced and try to understand what was legit pain, and what was HA.
that is what I do anyway. Will see how long the calm lasts.
YOU ARE FINE
The crazy thing is. The chances of getting throat cancer are only like 1%. I also don't have a sore throat so I guess I don't have anything to worry about really. This didn't start coming along until I had major anxiety because of the potential of cancer because of my mucocele cyst.
At this point something would be more consistent. It feels better and different throughout the day. I have a vacation coming up...maybe that's exactly what I need.
Blue23Blent
27-07-18, 14:34
Has anyone had any experience with LPR symptoms and what those contain? I'm trying to continue to ease my anxiety. The doctor looking down my throat with the scope reassured that nothing was there and I was informed that things look good just reaffirms his suspicion of acid reflux.
Also, has anyone else become obsessed with constantly checking their throat? I think that this caused my acid reflux and also has added to the symptoms I"m experiencing. I didn't have these symptoms before I constantly started opening my mouth and looking around every day. Now the symptoms have been going on for a month or so.
(I WILL SURVIVE!)
Also, has anyone else become obsessed with constantly checking their throat? .... I didn't have these symptoms before I constantly started opening my mouth and looking around every day.
You can replace the word "throat" with whatever issue - pulse, lymph node, neck, stomach, etc, and a majority of people here including myself have done the same thing. Obsessive checking is a hallmark sign of health anxiety thought pattern! Then, what you constantly seek, your brain will "find"! And the cycle continues... Read a lot of other threads here and you will recognize this pattern in others.
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Obsessive checking is a hallmark sign of health anxiety thought pattern!
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I wish I knew this years ago, I've literally stuffed my head with medical journals, and more recently the internet. I swore off google and trips to the library to read medical journals long ago but there's a lot of damage done.
Blue23Blent
28-07-18, 02:22
The thing that causes me anxiety is LPR and Esophageal cancer have same symptoms basically. Even though Esophageal cancer is so rare especially in a young, non-smoker, non-drinker. Not sure why I'm freaking out about this.
Because you’re feeding your anxiety by looking for the worst possible outcome.
Treat the reflux by eating foods that don’t trigger it, using reflux tablets where needed and above all getting a hold on your anxiety.
Your doctor looked down your throat, you don’t have cancer.
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Blue23Blent
28-07-18, 12:16
Yes. The ENT did look down my throat using a Laryngoscopy. Which reassured me at the time but then I thought, he didn't look down my actual esophagus. Ha, I sound crazy. First, I thought I had mouth cancer because of my mucocele. Then I thought I had throat cancer. Now I think I have esophagus cancer. Would a doctor be able to tell about esophagus cancer for the most part using a Laryngoscopy.
I'm assuming he would order a esophagus look if he thought it was necessary.
Yes, he would order further tests if he though it was necessary. Why can’t you accept that you have reflux?
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Yes. The ENT did look down my throat using a Laryngoscopy. Which reassured me at the time but then I thought, he didn't look down my actual esophagus. Ha, I sound crazy. First, I thought I had mouth cancer because of my mucocele. Then I thought I had throat cancer. Now I think I have esophagus cancer. Would a doctor be able to tell about esophagus cancer for the most part using a Laryngoscopy.
I'm assuming he would order a esophagus look if he thought it was necessary.
I'm a Head and Neck cancer survivor. I've had more tubes up my nose and down the back of my throat in the last 5 years than 10 of you have had in a lifetime. You don't have cancer! How do I know?
Doctors have ruled it out and you're still on an anxiety website talking about your fear of it. You follow that all too familiar pattern of HA as well by doubting the doctors and scientific medical tests. Further testing would be a waste of time and money. That money would be better spent on real life professional help with your anxiety. The brain and the stomach are closely connected. Treating your anxiety will also help treat your reflux.
Reflux isn't fun but it's manageable with diet and meds. My wife and I have it and we take a PPI and follow the FODMAP (https://www.ibsdiets.org/fodmap-diet/fodmap-food-list/) diet. We kept a food diary and eliminated and restricted foods that aggravated it. I can tell you also that when we stray, we pay.
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First, I thought I had mouth cancer because of my mucocele. Then I thought I had throat cancer. Now I think I have esophagus cancer.
Skipping your fears around from one disease to another (yes I get that these are all cancer but they're still different) is yet another hallmark sign of health anxiety! As is worrying that the doctor's tests didn't take into account every angle and possibility that your brain in its infinite medical knowledge has thought up.
You do have an illness. It's called health anxiety. Seek treatment for that!
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Blue23Blent
28-07-18, 16:50
Yes, he would order further tests if he though it was necessary. Why can’t you accept that you have reflux?
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I think it's because I've never had these symptoms before. The difficulty swallowing and all that jazz. It also seems never ending since June.
I also keep jumping on and reading how people my age (30) have gotten esophagus cancer before. Then I read more forums and look up more stuff.
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I'm a Head and Neck cancer survivor. I've had more tubes up my nose and down the back of my throat in the last 5 years than 10 of you have had in a lifetime. You don't have cancer! How do I know?
Doctors have ruled it out and you're still on an anxiety website talking about your fear of it. You follow that all too familiar pattern of HA as well by doubting the doctors and scientific medical tests. Further testing would be a waste of time and money. That money would be better spent on real life professional help with your anxiety. The brain and the stomach are closely connected. Treating your anxiety will also help treat your reflux.
Reflux isn't fun but it's manageable with diet and meds. My wife and I have it and we take a PPI and follow the FODMAP (https://www.ibsdiets.org/fodmap-diet/fodmap-food-list/) diet. We kept a food diary and eliminated and restricted foods that aggravated it. I can tell you also that when we stray, we pay.
Positive thoughts
I understand. I also know that I've never had these symptoms before. The dryness at base of tongue and in throat. The difficulty swallowing. Seems like it will never end. I'm on PPI right now and also allergy medicine. I still worry that it won't work. I've never had major acid reflux problems like this up into my throat. However, I also haven't had a major health anxiety like I did when I found that bump on my lip and started looking in my mouth and throat and googling.
I understand.
I'm afraid you don't at all :lac:
FMP
Blue23Blent
28-07-18, 17:14
I'm afraid you don't at all :lac:
FMP
What? Just looking for help.
I also keep jumping on and reading how people my age (30) have gotten esophagus cancer before. Then I read more forums and look up more stuff.
Have you read how many people your age DON'T have esophagus cancer? (probably like 99.999%) Have you read how many people your age DO have anxiety? (probably like 10%)
Which is more likely? The 0.0001% chance or the 10% chance? And especially considering the evidence (not your mind's catastrophic musings, the actual EVIDENCE) which is more likely? And why not stop reading cancer forums and start reading more of this one (or other health anxiety boards)? You'll see many people in the same pattern as you are in.
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What? Just looking for help.
= Just looking for reassurance.
Respectfully, you're on an anxiety website seeking opinions from strangers after getting professional medical reassurance. You have a 5 page thread with dozens of replies offering reassurance, help and advice yet you're still doubting :shrug: This is textbook HA behavior.
If you're truly seeking help, that should be done in real life with a mental health professional that can teach you techniques to reassure yourself when the irrational thoughts start to take hold.
If you truly understand, you would be accepting the doctor's diagnosis and heeding the advice that's been given to you.
Positive thoughts
Blue23Blent
28-07-18, 17:59
Have you read how many people your age DON'T have esophagus cancer? (probably like 99.999%) Have you read how many people your age DO have anxiety? (probably like 10%)
Which is more likely? The 0.0001% chance or the 10% chance? And especially considering the evidence (not your mind's catastrophic musings, the actual EVIDENCE) which is more likely? And why not stop reading cancer forums and start reading more of this one (or other health anxiety boards)? You'll see many people in the same pattern as you are in.
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True. With HA though I keep thinking "What if I'm the very rare case."
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= Just looking for reassurance.
Respectfully, you're on an anxiety website seeking opinions from strangers after getting professional medical reassurance. You have a 5 page thread with dozens of replies offering reassurance, help and advice yet you're still doubting :shrug: This is textbook HA behavior.
If you're truly seeking help, that should be done in real life with a mental health professional that can teach you techniques to reassure yourself when the irrational thoughts start to take hold.
If you truly understand, you would be accepting the doctor's diagnosis and heeding the advice that's been given to you.
Positive thoughts
Thanks. This is my first bout really of health anxiety that has been this bad. So the symptoms are there and I even asked the ENT about it. He said what everyone here has been saying. It can make the symptoms even worse.
Do you know of any good books to read about coping with Health Anxiety? Not just anxiety but strictly health related.
Do you know of any good books to read about coping with Health Anxiety? Not just anxiety but strictly health related.
I'm not a sufferer but I'm sure others will chime in. Also, there is a wealth of knowledge in the articles (http://www.nomorepanic.co.uk/articles) here concerning symptoms as well as sources for help. There's also a FREE CBT (http://www.nomorepanic.co.uk/showthread.php?t=211324) course.
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I've read the book below and thought it to be helpful.
Overcoming Health Anxiety: A self-help guide using cognitive behavioural techniques
David Veale
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Blue23Blent
28-07-18, 21:03
I've read the book below and thought it to be helpful.
Overcoming Health Anxiety: A self-help guide using cognitive behavioural techniques
David Veale
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Thanks. I'll check this out. I'm sure plenty of you on this site have experienced something similar to mine. Just crazy how dry my throat feels and how difficult it is to swallow sometimes. I literally think about my throat every time I eat or drink. Which probably adds to the ordeal. Trying to break the cycle.
Blue23Blent
29-07-18, 14:00
You guys don't think this could be esophageal cancer?
AMomentofClarity
29-07-18, 14:27
You guys don't think this could be esophageal cancer?
You absolutely, positively do not have esophageal cancer. This is classic health anxiety.....you’re worried about 1 thing, then once it’s proven you don’t have that you move to something else.
As has been said already, you need to be treating your anxiety.
Blue23Blent
29-07-18, 18:23
Why is my tongue yellow now?
Blue23Blent
29-07-18, 23:10
Keep searching and my throat at base of tongue has felt super dry lately. Burning type feeling. What’s going on with me?!!! Could it be the ENT couldn’t see base of tongue during scope?
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Keep searching and my throat at base of tongue has felt super dry lately. Burning type feeling. What’s going on with me?!!! Could it be the ENT couldn’t see base of tongue during scope?
So you think this could be an HPV thing on base of tongue? Mouth has been so dry and raw feeling down there.
Why are you searching for things to "be wrong"? You will find symptoms if you look for them. Stop symptom-checking. It's only adding to your anxiety.
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Blue23Blent
30-07-18, 01:08
Why are you searching for things to "be wrong"? You will find symptoms if you look for them. Stop symptom-checking. It's only adding to your anxiety.
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It’s hard when you aren’t sure what it is and it’s been lasting forever. Started getting this dry irritated base of tongue feeling after I started looking in my mouth constantly because of lip cyst. It’s been going on for months now.
Blue23Blent
30-07-18, 14:24
you guys think this could be back of tongue cancer?
you guys think this could be back of tongue cancer?
I’ve been to ENT for follow up on mucocele surgery and he checked it out. He informed me my throat looks cobblestones and says it might be allergies or acid reflux.
6 pages of reassurance and it's not helping. If you're that concerned see your doctor but I urge you to show him this thread and ask for real life help with your anxiety.
I'm a survivor of two heart attacks, triple bypass, stents and Stage IV Head and Neck cancer. I have real life health issues that can put me 6 feet under. You have an illness that's doing that to you above ground.
FMP
Blue23Blent
31-07-18, 00:04
6 pages of reassurance and it's not helping. If you're that concerned see your doctor but I urge you to show him this thread and ask for real life help with your anxiety.
I'm a survivor of two heart attacks, triple bypass, stents and Stage IV Head and Neck cancer. I have real life health issues that can put me 6 feet under. You have an illness that's doing that to you above ground.
FMP
Would an ENT be able to see if HPV was on base of tongue or something?
Blue23Blent
31-07-18, 14:09
Would an ENT be able to see if HPV was on base of tongue or something?
Maybe it’s just not knowing where the issue is located. I’ve been taking the PPI since last Friday.
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Just trying to see if anyone else has experienced similar issues. I’ve never had these symptoms and I’m 30 years old and have been in great health. Another thing was I had a blood test done during my normal physical that I do yearly to check cholesterol. Everything came back PERFECT.
So i don’t know why my throat would be doing this. The issues literally started after I noticed those red blotches in the back of my throat. Then I became obsessed with googling and looking in my throat. Symptoms haven’t stopped since.
AMomentofClarity
31-07-18, 15:36
I’ll take one more stab at this one, even though I’m sure any reply I get will be a list of “symptoms” and/or request for reassurance.
You’ve seen an ENT multiple times. He examined and scoped you and found nothing. That means you’re fine. You’ve convinced yourself that something is wrong so you’re searching for it, even though it doesn’t exist. This is health anxiety 101.
Why don’t you do something about the anxiety which you fully acknowledge having?
Blue23Blent
31-07-18, 17:56
I’ll take one more stab at this one, even though I’m sure any reply I get will be a list of “symptoms” and/or request for reassurance.
You’ve seen an ENT multiple times. He examined and scoped you and found nothing. That means you’re fine. You’ve convinced yourself that something is wrong so you’re searching for it, even though it doesn’t exist. This is health anxiety 101.
Why don’t you do something about the anxiety which you fully acknowledge having?
I’m just stuck at me feeling symptoms and then worrying that these symptoms that don’t seem like they are leaving me are more serious.
I’ll take one more stab at this one
Can't say you didn't try. The force is too strong in this one Obi Wan :weep:
Positive thoughts
I’m just stuck at me feeling symptoms and then worrying that these symptoms that don’t seem like they are leaving me are more serious.
Well, we do understand, because we have been where you are & have felt the fear. Any new symptoms of illness are scary, and it’s even worse when there’s no magic pill to help.
But you did the right thing by getting checked out at the doctors, and getting tests to get nasty things ruled out.
Now that those nasty things have been ruled out, and they have been ruled out, you have some options:
1). Treat the reflux with reflux remedies - diet, medication, relaxation.
2. Treat the anxiety that you’re getting - relaxation, cbt, therapy
3. Ignore all this, and spend your time googling & worrying.
Now is the time to try something new. It’s not as easy as doing nothing, but it’s better in the long term.
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Blue23Blent
31-07-18, 21:26
Well, we do understand, because we have been where you are & have felt the fear. Any new symptoms of illness are scary, and it’s even worse when there’s no magic pill to help.
But you did the right thing by getting checked out at the doctors, and getting tests to get nasty things ruled out.
Now that those nasty things have been ruled out, and they have been ruled out, you have some options:
1). Treat the reflux with reflux remedies - diet, medication, relaxation.
2. Treat the anxiety that you’re getting - relaxation, cbt, therapy
3. Ignore all this, and spend your time googling & worrying.
Now is the time to try something new. It’s not as easy as doing nothing, but it’s better in the long term.
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You think he could see if there was anything through a scope looking at my voice box and stuff? He said if anything it shows acid reflux. I’m not sure what that means. My kid was misdiagnosed forever before she was ruled to have meningitis. That’s why I worry.
He looked at my throat. He scoped my throat. Those were the tests I had. Symptoms are a pain. Anxiety is a pain.
There is a section straight out of David Veale's book which I mentioned earlier that applies here. It's too long to copy/paste but it boils down to this:
There are two theories to your problem. Theory A is that you have a serious medical condition and that you should do everything in your power to discover it and then treat it if possible. Theory B is that you have anxiety and no serious medical condition.
You have been using Theory A as your model of thinking. Has it helped? Has it cured you? Has your problem been solved? If the answer to those questions is "No", (which that is the answer here) then it is time to take a new approach. That approach is to try Theory B for three months (but actually first try it for just one day!). Since Theory A is not working, perhaps Theory B will. Try it out. Theory B. Treat your anxiety, not your throat.
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Blue23Blent
01-08-18, 02:04
There is a section straight out of David Veale's book which I mentioned earlier that applies here. It's too long to copy/paste but it boils down to this:
There are two theories to your problem. Theory A is that you have a serious medical condition and that you should do everything in your power to discover it and then treat it if possible. Theory B is that you have anxiety and no serious medical condition.
You have been using Theory A as your model of thinking. Has it helped? Has it cured you? Has your problem been solved? If the answer to those questions is "No", (which that is the answer here) then it is time to take a new approach. That approach is to try Theory B for three months (but actually first try it for just one day!). Since Theory A is not working, perhaps Theory B will. Try it out. Theory B. Treat your anxiety, not your throat.
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So how would one treat anxiety? When symptoms are felt.
AMomentofClarity
01-08-18, 02:11
So how would one treat anxiety? When symptoms are felt.
Therapy, medication, free online CBT, books, online videos.
You think he could see if there was anything through a scope looking at my voice box and stuff? He said if anything it shows acid reflux. I’m not sure what that means. My kid was misdiagnosed forever before she was ruled to have meningitis. That’s why I worry.
He looked at my throat. He scoped my throat. Those were the tests I had. Symptoms are a pain. Anxiety is a pain.
Very scary about your child being diagnosed late. I hope she’s ok now?
Yes I think he’s trained in what he does, and you can believe his opinion.
If you want a full endoscopy then go back and ask for one. But I’m the meantime, try treating the anxiety. Read the articles on the forum, they will really help you.
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Blue23Blent
01-08-18, 14:59
Very scary about your child being diagnosed late. I hope she’s ok now?
Yes I think he’s trained in what he does, and you can believe his opinion.
If you want a full endoscopy then go back and ask for one. But I’m the meantime, try treating the anxiety. Read the articles on the forum, they will really help you.
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She’s fine now. The thing is my ENT wasn’t even going to do a Larry scope until I asked. Then after that now I feel like I need more. My throat isn’t painful. It’s just uncomfortable. You know, feel like when I swallow something is there.
Here’s the question: these symptoms literally did not start coming on until I had a mucocele and started shining a light down my throat like 24/7 and googling. Now I can’t stop the symptoms.
That’s the basis of health anxiety. Something can trigger you and unless you reign it in, it’ll take over. And you (we) keep feeding it by googling, seeking reassurance in a constant unhealthy cycle.
If I really focused on something- a sensation or niggle, I reckon I could turn it into a problem for myself. In fact I have done many a time.
I’m currently suffering from reflux myself, one of my early symptoms- when I didn’t know what I had, was a feeling in my throat like there was something there, and no matter how many times I swallowed, it was still there. It’s a common anxiety symptom called Globus. Once you start to ignore it, and focus on healthy thoughts instead of negative ones, it’ll go.
I used to get one symptom, go to the GP and be told I was fine. That symptom would go, and another would pop up in its place.
When doesn’t it bother you?
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Blue23Blent
08-08-18, 04:03
Hey guys. Still going through the same symptoms. I now have been feeling around my neck and feel a small bump that I can roll between my fingers. It’s located right on my upper part of my neck toward middle of neck by throat. I’m starting to think this is cancer and worrying again. Trying to enjoy vacation but these throat issues are wild.
Blue23Blent
16-08-18, 00:52
My symptoms seem to be getting better but then they come back. I'm still worrying that this is cancer growing as my throat still looks the same as it has before and doesn't seem to get better!
It's driving me nuts.
Blue23Blent
16-09-18, 23:34
As you know I’ve been struggling with worry over potential throat or base of tongue cancer. This all began after I had a mucocele in my lip. I’ve checked my mouth constantly and now I’m worrying After spouse said it does look weird in regards to my tongue. I feel like something is in the back of my throat and it never goes away. Dry like feeling too. I scheduled a doctor appointment tomorrow morning to have me checked and I’ll probably go back to my ENT.
Here is a photo of the back of my tongue. Maybe it’s normal. Who knows.
You were at the ENT 2 months ago.
I’ve been to ENT for follow up on mucocele surgery and he checked it out. He informed me my throat looks cobblestones and says it might be allergies (which I’ve never had) or acid reflux.
Don't you think they would have seen something out of the ordinary?
Positive thoughts
Blue23Blent
17-09-18, 01:58
You were at the ENT 2 months ago.
Don't you think they would have seen something out of the ordinary?
Positive thoughts
Just nothing has changed in months. My tongue also looks different so idk. Maybe they didn’t see it then now it’s obvious?
I’m going to doctor tomorrow to have her check. If anything I can talk to her about anxiety.
I’m going to doctor tomorrow to have her check. If anything I can talk to her about anxiety.
That's a positive thought!
Positive thoughts
Blue23Blent
17-09-18, 02:08
That's a positive thought!
Positive thoughts
I don’t even know what the symptoms of base of tongue cancer would be. I’ve just been worried ever since the mucocele and as you know googling about throat cancer. I’ve never smoked or drank but did have oral sex so in my mind I’m like “oh no.”
Last time I spoke to doctor and asked about anxiety they said they like to rule out serious conditions before they go down that road. It’s just been so long with these irritated uncomfortable throat issues I can’t stand it.
I really hope it’s not cancer but I think it might be.
AMomentofClarity
17-09-18, 03:20
You were at the ENT 2 months ago.
Don't you think they would have seen something out of the ordinary?
Positive thoughts
For an anxiety sufferer...of course not! 14 doctors could easily not know what they’re looking for.
Blue23Blent
17-09-18, 17:20
Had a good talk with my doctor today both about my symptoms and about anxiety. She offered to do one last step which would be a CT scan. Once that comes back negative which she says it most likely will then we can discuss anxiety and how to cope.
I'll let you know later this week what happens.
Blue23Blent
18-09-18, 13:56
I also talked to my doctor about health anxiety and all that stuff. She said rather than googling to shoot her an email instead. I hope the CT scan comes back negative. :(
AMomentofClarity
18-09-18, 16:07
I also talked to my doctor about health anxiety and all that stuff. She said rather than googling to shoot her an email instead. I hope the CT scan comes back negative. :(
Here’s the trillion dollar question....when the CT comes back negative, are you going to believe it???
Blue23Blent
18-09-18, 16:57
Here’s the trillion dollar question....when the CT comes back negative, are you going to believe it???
I spoke with my doctor and she asked the same thing. I told her yes because the CT scan is really the big test that can be done. If something doesn't show on the CT scan then nothing is there that could have been missed by a doctor.
CT scan will confirm that this is anxiety and then me and the doctor can work to treat health anxiety moving forward.
Blue23Blent
19-09-18, 22:25
CT scan came back and doctor told me there is no acute findings. Everything looks normal! I'M FREE!!!
Blue23Blent
25-09-18, 14:48
I've been thinking lately that I have a yeast infection on my tongue and that's the issue. Or something like HPV.
Last night I had this yellowish looking back of tongue and scraped off some. Idk if that's just food or normal or what.
I seek reassurance through photos of other peoples mouths and back of tongues.
And what have you just replied to me on your other thread?
Blue23Blent
27-09-18, 15:38
Has anyone else experienced throat or tongue symptoms because of anxiety? My anxiety started with that mucocele back in June. That came back benign and all but have experienced throat irritation, tongue burning pain feeling, tongue looks weird, etc.
I’ve also haven’t been able to stop thinking about and checking throat issues for months.
Anyone else go through throat/tongue issues and are they caused by anxiety?
Again what did you say on your other thread?
You have the answers but you need to apply them
Hi
This is just a courtesy reply to let you know that your thread was merged with another of your threads.
Please when posting on similar topics add it onto your previous post rather than starting a new one.
It is nothing personal it is just to make it easier for people to follow your story and to give you advice as a whole.
Elen
AnxietyGirl30
27-09-18, 17:24
I’m constantly looking in my mouth not so much my throat, and I’m always noticing new things in it nearly daily and it scares me. I had a whole month where I had loads of ulcers where one would heal and straight after another would come up on my tongue. Then I saw a red patch and now I’m currently scared over a tiny pinprick blood spot on my soft pallet it’s never ending really. If I hadn’t been searching my mouth with a torch light I wouldn’t have known it was there ;( and now I’m constantly looking at it.
Blue23Blent
27-09-18, 19:33
I’m constantly looking in my mouth not so much my throat, and I’m always noticing new things in it nearly daily and it scares me. I had a whole month where I had loads of ulcers where one would heal and straight after another would come up on my tongue. Then I saw a red patch and now I’m currently scared over a tiny pinprick blood spot on my soft pallet it’s never ending really. If I hadn’t been searching my mouth with a torch light I wouldn’t have known it was there ;( and now I’m constantly looking at it.
Right!!! Then if you google about it 10/10 you get cancer as the cause. Have you experienced any soreness or irritation from looking in it and worry so much? That’s why I’m concerned. The symptoms won’t go away.
The more you focus your thoughts to the "symptoms" the more ypu will notice them and increase the feelings and or sensations. I was convinced a had an AAA i could feel my pulse, not just see it (im pretty thin) but actually feel it. Felt my abdomen was full, abdomknal pain and sometimes ezcrutiating lower back pain and when it wasnt really bad it was still a constant thing. Went the gps and was told nothing was wrong, then went for a scan and the lady showed me my aorta. Strangely enough after seeing i did not have an AAA all my aymptoms vanished in about 2 days. My back pain waa real, it hurt, couldnt sit up straight or get comfy, had to ise water bottles and sit in certain positions. It went down my legs and made it hard to walk on occasion. ALL CREATED BY MY MIND AND MY OBSESSION. its very real and if you keep going you will never get rid. Im doing the same thing about my heart again. 3 docs told me im ok, ecg amd blood preasure fine and cholesterol fine but im being like you are now. Got a cold the other week and my slight tickly cough is a aymptom now, head ache a symptom, pain i honestly cpuldnt say if its even there. Im off back to the gp to start on my meds again and to try and get over it as its my longest laating fear. Weird how my symptoms vanish when im pre occupied as well isnt it? ;D
Like getting over ocd you have to let the thought in, dont focus and lwt it straight out. Liaten to fish, man knows what hes talking about and in my logic brain if a doctor even thought i had a chamce of heart disease they would NOT mess about the aame as with cancer. Even a small stethoscope test can give away tell tale signs ans then onto more tests, same as with your condition.
Youll get there.
Blue23Blent
28-09-18, 01:55
That sounds exactly what I’m struggling with. Our minds play a huge role. However, I keep thinking what if it’s not stress or anxiety and is a serious medical condition.
Blue23Blent
30-09-18, 19:32
Still having throat issues!!!!!
Great that the tests came back and you have the all clear!
So now what do you think you need to do?
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Blue23Blent
30-09-18, 21:31
Great that the tests came back and you have the all clear!
So now what do you think you need to do?
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Why does my throat still feel so irritated and crappy then? Feels like something is off. I’ve had a scope (July) and a CT scan (September). Nothing found. It’s still feeling off though. Why would it feel that way? Would Anxiety really cause this to be ongoing for so long!!!
Yes of course it would. You’re still anxious aren’t you?
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Blue23Blent
01-10-18, 23:56
Yes I am. It’s because I still feel symptoms which make me think something is seriously off. Why would I have all these throat symptoms if it was just anxiety?
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I should probably go back to the doctors. They should do more tests.
Blue23Blent
02-10-18, 14:13
Helo
My sister had like stage 1of a super rare oral cancer. Yet her dentist noticed it long before she did. Even before testing was done, they were talking about the b c being very possible for her. You've had clear test! Which is great! No doctor wants to push further with this.
Like I had a serious stomach infection easier this year. The more I thought and thought about it even after it had been treated the pain seem to linger on and on.
While excuse me as I haven't read all the post but have you talk to your gp about this constant state of worry and getting some help about it maybe?? Like I'm not a doctor of course so I can't tell you everything you need to hear but I think you've gotten the all clear with the tests you've had? I know I tended to doubt doctors myself with results but it's over a year later and I'm still here without any of my major worries!
The picture of your tongue you posted looks like plaque. Try brushing your tongue! :)
Blue23Blent
02-10-18, 17:51
My sister had like stage 1of a super rare oral cancer. Yet her dentist noticed it long before she did. Even before testing was done, they were talking about the b c being very possible for her. You've had clear test! Which is great! No doctor wants to push further with this.
Like I had a serious stomach infection easier this year. The more I thought and thought about it even after it had been treated the pain seem to linger on and on.
While excuse me as I haven't read all the post but have you talk to your gp about this constant state of worry and getting some help about it maybe?? Like I'm not a doctor of course so I can't tell you everything you need to hear but I think you've gotten the all clear with the tests you've had? I know I tended to doubt doctors myself with results but it's over a year later and I'm still here without any of my major worries!
I went to doctors office this Morning because of upper respiratory thing I have. Asked her if my tongue looked good and she said it looks fine. This was another doctor/nurse as well. She looked at my throat and didn’t see anything abnormal.
I did ask about reference for anxiety as I told her I’ve been worrying and I don’t know if it’s serious illness or something like anxiety. She said they can medicate and I asked about reference for therapist first.
The irritation in throat just seems never ending!!!
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The picture of your tongue you posted looks like plaque. Try brushing your tongue! :)
Doctor/Nurse both said tongue looked fine.
IDoctor/Nurse both said tongue looked fine.
Doesn't matter. Brushing your tongue is a normal and necessary part of oral hygiene.
Positive thoughts
Blue23Blent
02-10-18, 18:49
Doesn't matter. Brushing your tongue is a normal and necessary part of oral hygiene.
Positive thoughts
I know. I do brush tongue.
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I’m a healthy person in my 30s. I don’t know why my throat won’t get better!
Blue23Blent
17-10-18, 18:32
I've never had these issues before until in June. I went back to ENT today for a follow-up because they are persisting. He informed me that I could probably stop taking Acid Reflux meds since it's not getting better.
He wants to try a Oral probiotic as my tongue seemed to have a coating. He checked my throat and tongue.
I still have irritation and inflammation in the back of my throat, tongue, and what have you. He informed me that it's nothing serious such as cancer they've seen so many of those and it doesn't look to be that. It looks benign.
I feel like in a couple months it's going to start showing regarding cancer. I can't help but think this is cancer. It's gone on too long and won't go away.
Anyone else experience this? I also forget to have him check a lymph node in my neck that I can feel. I'm so worried.
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Could it take months before cancer actually shows up. Last time ENT checked was July 27 and now it’s October 17 and things aren’t improving and now I have tongue coating.
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HELP
AMomentofClarity
17-10-18, 19:49
I've never had these issues before until in June. I went back to ENT today for a follow-up because they are persisting. He informed me that I could probably stop taking Acid Reflux meds since it's not getting better.
He wants to try a Oral probiotic as my tongue seemed to have a coating. He checked my throat and tongue.
I still have irritation and inflammation in the back of my throat, tongue, and what have you. He informed me that it's nothing serious such as cancer they've seen so many of those and it doesn't look to be that. It looks benign.
I feel like in a couple months it's going to start showing regarding cancer. I can't help but think this is cancer. It's gone on too long and won't go away.
Anyone else experience this? I also forget to have him check a lymph node in my neck that I can feel. I'm so worried.
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Could it take months before cancer actually shows up. Last time ENT checked was July 27 and now it’s October 17 and things aren’t improving and now I have tongue coating.
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HELP
This isn’t meant to be mean, or rude, or whatever, but it’s an honest question.....what exactly do you want from people on here? You’ve had multiple doctors, tests, and exams confirm that there’s nothing wrong, yet you continue to look to untrained internet strangers for advice.
Nothing anybody here says will make you feel better. I know this from experience. You need to treat the mental illness.
Blue23Blent
17-10-18, 22:18
This isn’t meant to be mean, or rude, or whatever, but it’s an honest question.....what exactly do you want from people on here? You’ve had multiple doctors, tests, and exams confirm that there’s nothing wrong, yet you continue to look to untrained internet strangers for advice.
Nothing anybody here says will make you feel better. I know this from experience. You need to treat the mental illness.
I'm looking for others that may experience this as well. I feel like the doctors are missing something or something is growing but slowly and new symptoms are popping up!
Also, I've started therapy last week and meet again in a week. I still have throat issues though!
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No one?
He informed me that it's nothing serious such as cancer they've seen so many of those and it doesn't look to be that. It looks benign.
Your ENT has seen cancer many times. I guess we can only speculate the number but it's described as many.
I feel like in a couple months it's going to start showing regarding cancer. I can't help but think this is cancer.
How many times have you seen cancer? Can you describe it as many, or even one?
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Blue23Blent
18-10-18, 02:54
Your ENT has seen cancer many times. I guess we can only speculate the number but it's described as many.
How many times have you seen cancer? Can you describe it as many, or even one?
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He once again says it’s not cancer yet he doesn’t really know what’s causing my issues. Soo.....
You didn't answer the question.
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Blue23Blent
20-10-18, 17:54
You didn't answer the question.
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Here’s my concern. I’ve read so many stories of those with base of tongue cancer and other cancers of the head and neck who weren’t officially diagnosed for months to years.
They said they were told the same thing as me such as “acid reflux (didn’t work), allergies (didn’t work), and even spoke about irritation as I have which eventually was biopsies as cancer.
My ENT keeps saying it’s not cancer but it’s only been 3 months. He also said he wants me to try probiotics because my tongue now has a coating. He said if that doesn’t work he will try thrush medication and after that he doesn’t know.
Im freaking out.
AMomentofClarity
20-10-18, 19:22
Here’s my concern. I’ve read so many stories of those with base of tongue cancer and other cancers of the head and neck who weren’t officially diagnosed for months to years.
They said they were told the same thing as me such as “acid reflux (didn’t work), allergies (didn’t work), and even spoke about irritation as I have which eventually was biopsies as cancer.
My ENT keeps saying it’s not cancer but it’s only been 3 months. He also said he wants me to try probiotics because my tongue now has a coating. He said if that doesn’t work he will try thrush medication and after that he doesn’t know.
Im freaking out.
The problem is you never read about the 100x number of people who had a sore throat that ended up being just irritation....
Here’s my concern. I’ve read so many stories of those with base of tongue cancer and other cancers of the head and neck who weren’t officially diagnosed for months to years.
They said they were told the same thing as me such as “acid reflux (didn’t work), allergies (didn’t work), and even spoke about irritation as I have which eventually was biopsies as cancer.
My ENT keeps saying it’s not cancer but it’s only been 3 months. He also said he wants me to try probiotics because my tongue now has a coating. He said if that doesn’t work he will try thrush medication and after that he doesn’t know.
Im freaking out.
I don't doubt you're having some minor symptoms. It just isn't cancer. In the three months from when I first noticed a swollen node, that node went from a small grape to a golf ball. Being a survivor and knowing many others that battled H&N cancer, I find it insulting that you are still pursuing this after all the clear test results and doctor visits.
Hope you find peace....
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Blue23Blent
21-10-18, 00:13
The problem is you never read about the 100x number of people who had a sore throat that ended up being just irritation....
I don’t have a sore throat. I have cobblestone along with tongue coating and a lot of feelings of discomfort and difficulty swallowing
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I don't doubt you're having some minor symptoms. It just isn't cancer. In the three months from when I first noticed a swollen node, that node went from a small grape to a golf ball. Being a survivor and knowing many others that battled H&N cancer, I find it insulting that you are still pursuing this after all the clear test results and doctor visits.
Hope you find peace....
Positive thoughts
Problem is the irritation and tongue coating and intermittent difficulty swallowing isn’t leaving. I also feel like a node on the side of my neck
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I don't doubt you're having some minor symptoms. It just isn't cancer. In the three months from when I first noticed a swollen node, that node went from a small grape to a golf ball. Being a survivor and knowing many others that battled H&N cancer, I find it insulting that you are still pursuing this after all the clear test results and doctor visits.
Hope you find peace....
Positive thoughts
I’ll keep pursuing until I’m better. Isn’t that what you’re suppose to do? Most likely it’s something or it would leave by now.
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It is just the irritation and burning/sore feeling on my tongue and around back of tongue seems like it will never end. I have moments where I’m like “this is going away” and then I keep feeling it after I eat and what not.
It’s def sinister.
AMomentofClarity
21-10-18, 01:15
Here’s my thing with threads like this....I don’t mean this to be attacking or personal as I was asked the same thing at my HAs worst....but honest question....
What kind of response are you looking for here? Anytime reassurance is offered you argue and debate it. You’re essentially demanding to Internet strangers that you have cancer. What type of response will make you feel better?
Well, the point of my question was that you have absolutely no idea how to identify cancer and you never have identified it before. But your ENT has extensive experience in doing so.
So how can you be so sure that your absolute novice analysis - cancer - is correct, and the ENT's experienced analysis is wrong? Logically it would be quite baffling. Why not try and come up with some more reasonable explanations?
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Blue23Blent
21-10-18, 02:40
Well, the point of my question was that you have absolutely no idea how to identify cancer and you never have identified it before. But your ENT has extensive experience in doing so.
So how can you be so sure that your absolute novice analysis - cancer - is correct, and the ENT's experienced analysis is wrong? Logically it would be quite baffling. Why not try and come up with some more reasonable explanations?
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Like I’ve been sticking out my tongue and inspecting my mouth and throat so much that I’ve caused all this myself?
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Here’s my thing with threads like this....I don’t mean this to be attacking or personal as I was asked the same thing at my HAs worst....but honest question....
What kind of response are you looking for here? Anytime reassurance is offered you argue and debate it. You’re essentially demanding to Internet strangers that you have cancer. What type of response will make you feel better?
Just trying to find a reason
Like I’ve been sticking out my tongue and inspecting my mouth and throat so much that I’ve caused all this myself
Perhaps. Does that seem like a possible explanation to you, have you been checking it every day? If so maybe you do need to give yourself a week or two of no inspecting. Stand by that as your explanation whenever fears come up. Resolve to not worry about it until after that week or two.
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Blue23Blent
21-10-18, 15:23
Perhaps. Does that seem like a possible explanation to you, have you been checking it every day? If so maybe you do need to give yourself a week or two of no inspecting. Stand by that as your explanation whenever fears come up. Resolve to not worry about it until after that week or two.
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Who knows. I read stories about irritation and misdiagnoses and saying nothing’s wrong and that seems more likely that it’s serious then not
AMomentofClarity
21-10-18, 16:20
Just trying to find a reason
You could have 75 people a day give you potential benign causes, and you’re still going to assume that you’re one of the people you read about...with misdiagnosed cancer, etc etc.
Who knows. I read stories about irritation and misdiagnoses and saying nothing’s wrong and that seems more likely that it’s serious then notThen you need to reframe that thought. Challenge it. What evidence do you have? What other alternative explanations are there? Have you been wrong before? Keep working with the doctor of course because you have real physical symptoms of something, but challenge your catastrophic thoughts.
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Blue23Blent
23-10-18, 00:23
Well. My ENT keeps saying it’s benign but this is the first time he’s mentioned tongue coating now. IT IS GETTING WORSE OR PROGRESSING RIGHT?
I spoke with my doctor and she asked the same thing. I told her yes because the CT scan is really the big test that can be done. If something doesn't show on the CT scan then nothing is there that could have been missed by a doctor.
CT scan will confirm that this is anxiety and then me and the doctor can work to treat health anxiety moving forward.So what happened to this? You have had your gold standard test already. You have significant evidence to reframe your thoughts. I'm sorry but a sore throat or lump in throat feeling (globus hystericus) is not evidence of cancer in the face of multiple doctor visits and scans that say otherwise. It's up to you to reframe though, I can't do it for you.
And why does the tongue coating matter? Did you ever stop to think that it could be completely unrelated?
Are you still checking for things to be wrong every day? Stop checking. Even if it is cancer, checking it every day doesn't cure cancer so you aren't helping it no matter what the situation is by doing so. Stop checking.
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Blue23Blent
23-10-18, 04:30
So what happened to this? You have had your gold standard test already. You have significant evidence to reframe your thoughts. I'm sorry but a sore throat or lump in throat feeling (globus hystericus) is not evidence of cancer in the face of multiple doctor visits and scans that say otherwise. It's up to you to reframe though, I can't do it for you.
And why does the tongue coating matter? Did you ever stop to think that it could be completely unrelated?
Are you still checking for things to be wrong every day? Stop checking. Even if it is cancer, checking it every day doesn't cure cancer so you aren't helping it no matter what the situation is by doing so. Stop checking.
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I don’t know. What’s tongue coating mean? Anyone else have that?
Also, I try not to check but find myself checking when I feel symptoms
Or eating makes me think of throat.
I did the math though and it’s about a 0.01% chance a year to get oral cancer. I still feel like that’s me because I’ve had oral sex with my spouse.
Are you for real? Everyone has oral sex with their spouse (hopefully many times for many years!). And sometimes with many other people too.
Do you see how your anxiety is completely distorting basic logic?
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Everyone has tongue coating.
Use mouthwash daily, that will do the trick.
A sore and lumpy throat can also be when you are run down and it sounds like you are running yourself down.
You are spiralling out of control.
Try to think of something else and get on with other things, otherwise you will drive yourself mad with over obsessing. :)
Blue23Blent
23-10-18, 12:43
Are you for real? Everyone has oral sex with their spouse (hopefully many times for many years!). And sometimes with many other people too.
Do you see how your anxiety is completely distorting basic logic?
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Yeah but online articles are saying cancer is on the rise due to HPV induced cancer caused by oral sex. I’m just worried because these symptoms feel unending and my tongue even feels like it’s burning too.
So idk.
I had a coating on my tongue years ago as a child, my gp said it was nothing. Just lacking in vitamin or something. Any she shrug it off. I had enough of a coating you could scarp it off. Yet it was nothing, this issue went of for years. I was like 10, I'm 22 now and nothing.
I think I've also commented on this before about my sister having a rare oral cancer. It wasn't missed as long as your case has been if it was something being missed. You're just looking for bad news, bad cases. Like other users have said here, you can't keep thinking of the negative. Like I remembered you promised your GP you would let this go and get therapy or CBT if she got you a CT scan (I'm not sure if you have gone for help, so excuse me if I'm wrong.) I'm not a doctor but even if there was cancer in a super early stage. Surely it would be noticed before you even have symptoms. Which you clearly have.
Yeah but online articles are saying cancer is on the rise due to HPV induced cancer caused by oral sex. I’m just worried because these symptoms feel unending and my tongue even feels like it’s burning too.
So idk.Those articles are meaningless. Someone had a good post on NMP a few months ago about those, unfortunately I have no idea who or where it is. But basically an article says something like "oral cancer rates are increasing due to HPV" sounds awful right? But in reality it increased (these are just example numbers) from 1 in 10,000 people to 1 in 9,700 people. Not quite the epidemic the article appears to be.
You seem to counter every piece of logic with "yeah but". You need to start countering your catastrophic thoughts with "yeah but" instead. I can't guarantee you don't have some sort of physical ailment but I would bet the works that if you improve your anxiety situation that your symptoms will decrease. So if you don't like your symptoms, focus on treating the anxiety.
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AMomentofClarity
23-10-18, 17:30
I don’t know. What’s tongue coating mean? Anyone else have that?
Also, I try not to check but find myself checking when I feel symptoms
Or eating makes me think of throat.
I did the math though and it’s about a 0.01% chance a year to get oral cancer. I still feel like that’s me because I’ve had oral sex with my spouse.
If everyone in the US who had oral sex got cancer, we wouldn’t have a population over age 22. Just like most smokers don’t get lung cancer, most drinkers don’t get liver disease, most fill in the blank don’t get fill in the blank.....most sexually active people don’t get oral cancer.
Blue23Blent
26-10-18, 02:22
I read an article about how a lady was misdiagnosed and doctors kept telling her it was one thing or another but ended up being cancer. Even after scans and stuff.
I read an article about how a lady was misdiagnosed and doctors kept telling her it was one thing or another but ended up being cancer. Even after scans and stuff.
Ahhh... The magic of Dr. Google :weep: You started this thread the end of July. It's now the end of October. You're still here :shades:
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Blue23Blent
26-10-18, 03:52
It hasn’t been long enough for it not to be serious. I’ve read people go months.
I read an article about how a lady was misdiagnosed and doctors kept telling her it was one thing or another but ended up being cancer. Even after scans and stuff.Did you read the article about the 3,000,000 ladies who were not misdiagnosed when the doctors told them it was one thing or another but not cancer?
This is another "yeah but". You have a pattern. You need to recognize it.
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Blue23Blent
26-10-18, 18:51
These symptoms would have stopped though if it wasn’t serious. I really haven’t been diagnosed with anything.
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I have burning tongue feeling and tongue coating. The back of my tongue looks weird as well.
These symptoms would have stopped though if it wasn’t serious.
Really? Why?
I have had vestibular migraine for 8 months. Every day. It will likely be something that I feel for years or even the rest of my life. It's annoying. But it isn't serious and it isn't going to kill me. Sometimes things are just long lasting or even chronic. Doesn't make it cancer.
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Blue23Blent
26-10-18, 19:34
Really? Why?
I have had vestibular migraine for 8 months. Every day. It will likely be something that I feel for years or even the rest of my life. It's annoying. But it isn't serious and it isn't going to kill me. Sometimes things are just long lasting or even chronic. Doesn't make it cancer.
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I’ve never had any of these issues until my mucocele popped up back in June.
Blue23Blent
27-10-18, 15:14
Tongue feels like it’s burning and there is tongue coating and these symptoms seem
Never ending
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My thing is because I feel symptoms I have a hard time accepting this is all anxiety and worry caused from inspecting my mouth constantly. Can Anxiety really cause tongue coating, irritated throat, and burning tongue and all these other symptoms I’m experiencing?
My thing is because I feel symptoms I have a hard time accepting this is all anxiety and worry caused from inspecting my mouth constantly. Can Anxiety really cause tongue coating, irritated throat, and burning tongue and all these other symptoms I’m experiencing?
While anxiety itself cannot cause your tongue to have a coating, the side effects and symptoms of anxiety (reflux, GERD, muscle tension, globus etc.) certainly can and are common symptoms and side effects of anxiety (https://www.nomorepanic.co.uk/articles/symptoms).
I'm an oral cancer survivor. I wish I had the all clear like you from the medical professionals I saw. Nothing you present sets off any alarms with the exception of the HA alarm. After all, you're posting here :whistles:
Please read my previous reply about cancer. I believe your thing needs to become treating the real issue.
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Blue23Blent
27-10-18, 18:56
While anxiety itself cannot cause your tongue to have a coating, the side effects and symptoms of anxiety (reflux, GERD, muscle tension, globus etc.) certainly can and are common symptoms and side effects of anxiety (https://www.nomorepanic.co.uk/articles/symptoms).
I'm an oral cancer survivor. I wish I had the all clear like you from the medical professionals I saw. Nothing you present sets off any alarms with the exception of the HA alarm. After all, you're posting here :whistles:
Please read my previous reply about cancer. I believe your thing needs to become treating the real issue.
Positive thoughts
What about this burning tongue feeling I’ve been having for months?
Blue23Blent
07-11-18, 02:01
Still have throat issues. Feeling small bump on side of neck and behind my jar. I think I’m dying. I def have oral cancer because of HPV oral sex.
I def have oral cancer because of HPV oral sex.
It's been over 3 months since this thread started and I would imagine you definitely know better despite what the doctors have said. Since you're convinced, I urge you to get to a Certified Cancer Center ASAP. Tests need to be done to assess the cancer stage and put together a plan of action. Treatment for head and neck cancer is brutal but it's doable. I was stage IVa and I made it :D
Let us know what they say!
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Blue23Blent
07-11-18, 02:32
It's been over 3 months since this thread started and I would imagine you definitely know better despite what the doctors have said. Since you're convinced, I urge you to get to a Certified Cancer Center ASAP. Tests need to be done to assess the cancer stage and put together a plan of action. Treatment for head and neck cancer is brutal but it's doable. I was stage IVa and I made it :D
Let us know what they say!
Positive thoughts
For real? Or are you being sarcastic? I’m freaking out now.
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I’ve been to two separate ENTs now as well and the one I went to for a second opinion a week ago didn’t see anything or seemed concerned. My symptoms persist though and I feel so miserable because of the uncomfortably of my throat and mouth.
For real? Or are you being sarcastic? I’m freaking out now.
I'm being serious. Perhaps you can go back and read through your thread from the beginning. Nothing the doctors have said since June when you were given the first all clear until now after you've seen several experts has convinced you. You're convinced you have oral cancer from HPV so what else can be said? :shrug: You've had more reassurance than most and it hasn't helped and then you come on here and tell us you definitely have cancer so just go to the best at a CCC and pay out the wazoo for more reassurance because nothing said here is going to help.
Good luck! Let us know what they say!
Positive thoughts
Blue23Blent
07-11-18, 02:46
I'm being serious. Nothing the doctors have said since June when you were given the first all clear until now after you've seen several experts has convinced you. You're convinced you have oral cancer from HPV so what else can be said? :shrug: You've had more reassurance than most and it hasn't helped and then you come on here and tell us you definitely have cancer so just go to the best at a CCC and pay out the wazoo for more reassurance because nothing said here is going to help.
Good luck! Let us know what they say!
Positive thoughts
So what your saying is I need to go to a cancer center but then if they say it’s all clear will it really matter? I just had a brand new ENT give me a second opinion last week. He didn’t see any concern. Can this really be psychosomatic?
Why would I pay out the wazoo just for reassurance? I’m convinced I have oral cancer because of the irritation and uncomfortable back of throat. I also am
Convinced because I’ve had oral sex with just one person. Been with this person since we were 16. Didn’t start having oral sex till we were 25. What’s the chances of this?
So what your saying is I need to go to a cancer center but then if they say it’s all clear will it really matter? I just had a brand new ENT give me a second opinion last week. He didn’t see any concern. Can this really be psychosomatic?
Why would I pay out the wazoo just for reassurance? I’m convinced I have oral cancer because of the irritation and uncomfortable back of throat. I also am
Convinced because I’ve had oral sex with just one person. Been with this person since we were 16. Didn’t start having oral sex till we were 25. What’s the chances of this?
Thank you for affirming my post.
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Blue23Blent
07-11-18, 02:50
Thank you for affirming my post.
Positive thoughts
What?
I also am
Convinced because I’ve had oral sex with just one person. Been with this person since we were 16. Didn’t start having oral sex till we were 25. What’s the chances of this?
0.000001%.
You're so far deep down the HA rabbit hole you aren't even seeing crystal clear sarcasm by fishmanpa.
Perhaps instead of checking in with your throat every day you should check in with your mental state every day?
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