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I'm not sure where I should've posted this if this section wasn't the correct place
I was just scrolling through Twitter and I saw a video that PETA shared of a pig literally crying and collapsing out of fear on its way to slaughter
I am literally crying hysterically now, it's upset me so so much, we have absolutely no right whatsoever to decide when an animal should die
But yeah I'm literally scarred. I don't know if I could ever become vegetarian but that video has made me hate the human race and the world we live in
Injustices like these happen every single second but there's nothing anyone can do:weep:
MyNameIsTerry
10-08-19, 04:53
It's a very unpleasant thing to see but your emotions will subside and you will move on from it. You can make the personal choice to avoid meat based products if you wish and try to influence government with the many groups out there if you want to do more. Slaughter will always exist in some way but more should always be done to minimise any animal suffering (and religious freedom should never trump this :lac:).
It's a very unpleasant thing to see but your emotions will subside and you will move on from it. You can make the personal choice to avoid meat based products if you wish and try to influence government with the many groups out there if you want to do more. Slaughter will always exist in some way but more should always be done to minimise any animal suffering (and religious freedom should never trump this :lac:).
I really want to help but the first thing is I think being vegan is a hard lifestyle to maintain as it costs more and it makes family meals and BBQs etc pretty awkward, secondly will anything I do make a difference? People will just carry on eating meat and that will never change unfortunately. I really wish a vegan diet could become the standards for society but that just won’t happen
One thing I do know for sure is that I’m giving up pork. I can’t eat it anymore after seeing that awful awful video
I think the truth of it hurts way too much... I can’t get over what I saw
Just a thought; if you were bringing your own money in you could look into buying ethically-reared meats.
Just a thought; if you were bringing your own money in you could look into buying ethically-reared meats.
Can you stop taking jabs at me?
MyNameIsTerry
10-08-19, 06:22
You would have to talk to your mum about it. Even if you don't go veg or vegan you could reduce your meat consumption. There is always some harm to animals, even vegan food includes some harm to small animals. Seeing an animal in pain can be upsetting but this emotional reaction will fade. The abused animals in charity appeals on TV are upsetting. It's better to care than not.
Can you stop taking jabs at me?
I'm sorry it came across that way; this is something I do myself when I can to mitigate my own carnivore guilt, but it isn't cheap and I can't afford to do it as regularly as I'd like. Eating game can often be another (relatively) ethical choice.
I'm sorry it came across that way; this is something I do myself when I can to mitigate my own carnivore guilt, but it isn't cheap and I can't afford to do it as regularly as I'd like. Eating game can often be another (relatively) ethical choice.
Sorry, I misunderstood, I’m pretty tired:flowers:I think what Ill do is stop eating pork, fish and chicken. I only ever really eat beef at BBQs and at fast food places etc... hopefully one day I can stop eating meat completely
Again, I’m so sorry for snapping there.
It's okay, it happens. I'm in a lot of pain myself right now and I probably didn't choose my words as carefully as I could have done.
You would have to talk to your mum about it. Even if you don't go veg or vegan you could reduce your meat consumption. There is always some harm to animals, even vegan food includes some harm to small animals. Seeing an animal in pain can be upsetting but this emotional reaction will fade. The abused animals in charity appeals on TV are upsetting. It's better to care than not.
Yeah. As I said to Blue Iris, I’m going to stop eating chicken, pork and fish. The only meat I’ll eat now is beef because that’s the one I eat when I have fast food and at BBQs etc and I don’t want to be awkward and ask for the vegan options especially at BBQs which we have often to celebrate family birthdays etc, we have a big family/extended family even.
Also I signed like 100 petitions, the ones that are quick and easy to sign one after the other, against animal abuse and to bring justice for them
Why not join PETA and do some voluntary work for them if you feel so strongly about this issue?
You are certainly motivated enough to help them. Not just online petitions though-that's easy.
Why not join PETA and do some voluntary work for them if you feel so strongly about this issue?
You are certainly motivated enough to help them. Not just online petitions though-that's easy.
I would love to do that but my social skills aren't great, I mean they're okay, I just mean it would be nerve racking having to spend the day with a load of random older people and people might pity me, an 18 year old spending his summer volunteering when everyone else is out partying and drinking and going out to socialise
You would be just one of many young people though. Nobody would be interested in "pitying" you for volunteering.Why should they? Saying your social skills aren't great is an excuse. Plenty of people with ASD get involved in campaigns they are passionate about.
MyNameIsTerry
10-08-19, 12:31
There is a dog sanctuary not far from my area where being a volunteer means you walk the dogs around the compound and clean out the kennels. I would imagine there is little social pressure in this but it might mean becoming comfortable in a work setting like any job brings. Suggest thinking about that as work will mean tackling that one and we all go through it as we change workplaces.
You would be just one of many young people though. Nobody would be interested in "pitying" you for volunteering.Why should they? Saying your social skills aren't great is an excuse. Plenty of people with ASD get involved in campaigns they are passionate about.
It's not an excuse, I'm always scared before going out anywhere by myself. I live very very close to a shop and I even overthink that trip
I'll look into it.
There is a dog sanctuary not far from my area where being a volunteer means you walk the dogs around the compound and clean out the kennels. I would imagine there is little social pressure in this but it might mean becoming comfortable in a work setting like any job brings. Suggest thinking about that as work will mean tackling that one and we all go through it as we change workplaces.
Do they put the dogs down after a certain amount of time? I don't think I could ever volunteer anywhere where they do that
yorkshirepudding
10-08-19, 17:26
Hi,
It is true that a Vegan lifestyle can sometimes be more expensive. This, in my experience, tends to be when you purchase processed foods like fake meats, pies, cakes etc. A lot of what you eat already can be modified much cheaper than this. Pulses and lentils can be purchased in bulk and dry for much the same price as anything meaty you would replace it with. A bolognase - replace mince with lentils, etc. If you stick to whole foods and not processed things then I really don't think there is much of a price difference. As far as events like BBQs etc I just tend not to go as the smell of meat now just makes me feel sick. But, take your own food and even a disposible BBQ to cook it on if you are bothered about contamination.
I am not getting on my soapbox as a Vegan, those people just annoy me and get peoples backs up. I am just trying to offer guidance as I became vegan about 5 or even 6 years ago now. Do your research before you start, if you don't you will fail at it. Ask other people, look on forums. It is really not that hard. When I can walk into town and get a Vegan Sausage Roll from Greggs now, its pretty good.
If you need any info, or any help for resources etc please ask. That goes for anybody. Vegan haters are welcome :P
Oh, one bit of advice, if you have tea or coffee and you want a milk substitute, either use KOKO or a brand that has one for Baristas or Professionals. This way it wont curdle.
Let's be realistic. Based on the history of the op (diet and otherwise), is anything going to change? :shrug:
Positive thoughts
It's not an excuse, I'm always scared before going out anywhere by myself. I live very very close to a shop and I even overthink that trip
I'll look into it.
You are able to get to the GP surgery though but maybe your Mum comes with you?
I think you are making excuses Toby. As hard as it might be to achieve certain things, you still have to work at them and find a way forward, otherwise you will be sat in your room for the rest of your life - achieve nothing and be miserable. I've spouted on about the merits of voluntary work many times on here, so won't bother to do it again in detail, but I think most voluntary roles are low-pressure ways to engage with people and issues you feel strongly about. (As it happens my daughter is spending the summer at an animal rescue place) You only have to commit to small amounts of time - even every saturday morning.
I think I've seen the video you talk about, accidentally came across it (if its the same one) a few years ago. It rocked me to my core. I have been vegetarian for 20 years (bordering on vegan right now). I have no issue with people eating meat however, providing they source their meat based on animal welfare issues, and the animal has had a good life and been humanely euthanased. Being vegetarian or vegan now is so much easier than it used to be, there is almost no comparison to 20 years ago - there are stacks of really great recipes availiable online, most major supermarket now have vegan ranges also. We all had vegan last night and it was really healthy.
MyNameIsTerry
10-08-19, 19:20
Do they put the dogs down after a certain amount of time? I don't think I could ever volunteer anywhere where they do thatNo, unlike PETA who do have a policy of euthanasia. But I'm just giving an alternative to getting involved with a more committed group like them to point out there are many ways you can benefit animals without going full on activist.
I’m surprised PETA euthanises dogs.. unless they’re ill of course
I keep getting the urge now to watch that disturbing video. Like my mind wants me to upset myself, similar to the HA googling, and I don’t know what to do because every time I watch it, it leaves me in a wreck.
And even if I don’t rewatch it I’ve still got the memory, and I don’t think I’ll ever forget it, it has seriously scarred me
Oh I just saw the replies on page 2, they look very detailed and insightful
I will get to them when I have proper laptop access in the morning, I thought Terry’s was the only reply so I replied quickly on my phone
MyNameIsTerry
11-08-19, 01:47
I’m surprised PETA euthanises dogs.. unless they’re ill of course
I keep getting the urge now to watch that disturbing video. Like my mind wants me to upset myself, similar to the HA googling, and I don’t know what to do because every time I watch it, it leaves me in a wreck.
And even if I don’t rewatch it I’ve still got the memory, and I don’t think I’ll ever forget it, it has seriously scarred me
They do good work in their investigations but they are not without criticism for their own issues, one being they don't believe in the no kill movement and continue to euthanise.
Can you see the anxiety issue in there? It wants you to go back to a scary trigger and start it all over again. It will fade soon unless you choose to keep it going. This thread now needs to be about discussing lifestyle change/ethics as opposed to you wanting to be reassured so best not to keep it going about how you felt as that time has passed.
"Unless you choose to keep it going" are the significant words to consider here.
So what lifestyle changes are you going to make, Toby? Within reason of course. Small changes can make a big difference.
Hi,
It is true that a Vegan lifestyle can sometimes be more expensive. This, in my experience, tends to be when you purchase processed foods like fake meats, pies, cakes etc. A lot of what you eat already can be modified much cheaper than this. Pulses and lentils can be purchased in bulk and dry for much the same price as anything meaty you would replace it with. A bolognase - replace mince with lentils, etc. If you stick to whole foods and not processed things then I really don't think there is much of a price difference. As far as events like BBQs etc I just tend not to go as the smell of meat now just makes me feel sick. But, take your own food and even a disposible BBQ to cook it on if you are bothered about contamination.
I am not getting on my soapbox as a Vegan, those people just annoy me and get peoples backs up. I am just trying to offer guidance as I became vegan about 5 or even 6 years ago now. Do your research before you start, if you don't you will fail at it. Ask other people, look on forums. It is really not that hard. When I can walk into town and get a Vegan Sausage Roll from Greggs now, its pretty good.
If you need any info, or any help for resources etc please ask. That goes for anybody. Vegan haters are welcome :P
Oh, one bit of advice, if you have tea or coffee and you want a milk substitute, either use KOKO or a brand that has one for Baristas or Professionals. This way it wont curdle.
I think if it was to happen then I would just go vegetarian and avoid meats rather than anything involving animals.
Aren't lentils like seedy things? Is a bolognese a bolognese without meat?
And if I'd have to stick to fake meats because a diet without at least a fake substitute for meat would be boring
Thank you for the advice, it does seem pretty expensive, but I'm at the very least going to stop eating pork and lamb. Sometimes when looking at a burger, the average person forgets that the meat was stolen from an animal that was as conscious and aware as we are. It's so sad
You are able to get to the GP surgery though but maybe your Mum comes with you?
I only go by myself if my mum is working and I have an emergency, for example, when I thought I had jaundice. I'm able to go a route where I can avoid seeing people I may know though. What I'm mainly scared of though is seeing people I know in the waiting room
I think you are making excuses Toby. As hard as it might be to achieve certain things, you still have to work at them and find a way forward, otherwise you will be sat in your room for the rest of your life - achieve nothing and be miserable. I've spouted on about the merits of voluntary work many times on here, so won't bother to do it again in detail, but I think most voluntary roles are low-pressure ways to engage with people and issues you feel strongly about. (As it happens my daughter is spending the summer at an animal rescue place) You only have to commit to small amounts of time - even every saturday morning.
I think I've seen the video you talk about, accidentally came across it (if its the same one) a few years ago. It rocked me to my core. I have been vegetarian for 20 years (bordering on vegan right now). I have no issue with people eating meat however, providing they source their meat based on animal welfare issues, and the animal has had a good life and been humanely euthanased. Being vegetarian or vegan now is so much easier than it used to be, there is almost no comparison to 20 years ago - there are stacks of really great recipes availiable online, most major supermarket now have vegan ranges also. We all had vegan last night and it was really healthy.
I have no WILL to do anything. Like, it's easy enough to say go and volunteer but there are a million problems for me, like how I'll get there (I hate getting like 10 buses), who I might see while getting there, what if I start worrying while I'm there, will I look presentable enough, what if I don't get enough sleep the night before and I'm exhausted all day?
Yep the video was shocking. I can't get it out of my mind.
I think if the animal has lived a couple of years and then is slaughtered in a stress free humane way, then that's okay I guess, but most of the time they're slaughtered after like, 6 months.
And the whole process behind halal and kosher meat is so sick and twisted. Imagine slitting a live animal's throat instead of stunning them just because a dusty old book from thousands of years ago says so. That's the same as slitting the throat of a live, conscious human.
They do good work in their investigations but they are not without criticism for their own issues, one being they don't believe in the no kill movement and continue to euthanise.
Can you see the anxiety issue in there? It wants you to go back to a scary trigger and start it all over again. It will fade soon unless you choose to keep it going. This thread now needs to be about discussing lifestyle change/ethics as opposed to you wanting to be reassured so best not to keep it going about how you felt as that time has passed.
Yeah. How can I stop myself from watching it again though, because it's all I can think about. Do I just tell myself NO?
"Unless you choose to keep it going" are the significant words to consider here.
So what lifestyle changes are you going to make, Toby? Within reason of course. Small changes can make a big difference.
I sometimes used to eat pork and now I'm not going to. I never ate lamb anyway but I have more the reason to continue now.
I might try some of the vegan options at McDonald's and if I like that, then I'll continue to have it whenever I go
I have no WILL to do anything. Like, it's easy enough to say go and volunteer but there are a million problems for me, like how I'll get there (I hate getting like 10 buses), who I might see while getting there, what if I start worrying while I'm there, will I look presentable enough, what if I don't get enough sleep the night before and I'm exhausted all day?
Jeez Toby, its not that hard, just going to visit a lonely old lady in your road (who never sees anyone) would be a start - sweep her path or something. Join a local litter picking group is another example. So, what are you planning then for the future, sitting in your room googling forever?
Not eating meat is FAR from boring, thats a common misconception, the world is full of vegan and vegetarian recipes which are awesome and have much more thought and care put into them than a fried steak. Of course, with so much time on your hands right now, you could learn to cook ?
Jeez Toby, its not that hard, just going to visit a lonely old lady in your road (who never sees anyone) would be a start - sweep her path or something. Join a local litter picking group is another example. So, what are you planning then for the future, sitting in your room googling forever?
Not eating meat is FAR from boring, thats a common misconception, the world is full of vegan and vegetarian recipes which are awesome and have much more thought and care put into them than a fried steak. Of course, with so much time on your hands right now, you could learn to cook ?
I don't know any lonely old ladies but I do sometimes help my Grandma out, though she also has a cleaner who she pays.
Does vegan meat taste close enough to normal meat? It's been ages since I last tried vegan meat
On the topic of volunteering though, one thing that looks like it would involve something that wouldn't get boring and would demand my full engagement is volunteering as an NSPCC counselor for a little while. I think I'm good at offering advice. I'm not saying I'll definitely do it but I'll look into it and see if it's do-able for me
whispershadow
11-08-19, 12:46
Animals should be killed humanely imo, which means they don't feel pain or fear, sadly though for as long as people think it's acceptable to hurt any animals this won't happen :(
This has just spiked again... I'm feeling sick thinking about that same video I mentioned months ago & also thinking about animal cruelty in general
I can't cope thinking about it:weep:
You need to decide whether or not you want to continue eating meat, in that case.
You also need to learn to cope with these difficult thoughts.
You need to decide whether or not you want to continue eating meat, in that case.
You also need to learn to cope with these difficult thoughts.
I don't eat beef, pork, lamb any more. Only chicken, fish and turkey (very rarely the latter two tbh)
brucealmighty
01-02-20, 16:12
The positive to take from this is you've seen how you can help, not eating meat yourself means you're not contributing to the demand so will help. May seem minor but be assured small efforts always count
I just saw the nastiest video on Facebook shared by someone I went to school with, who is now BLOCKED
ANIMAL CRUELTY T R I G G E R W A R N I N G
The video depicted a dog in China being cooked alive- it was 'relevant' apparently because of the coronavirus coming from animals
I can't deal with it. How can I just get about with my life knowing that animal spent its final moments in boiling hot water, a slow and painful death. It makes me furious and deeply deeply sad to the point where I just want to leave this planet NOW, after pushing the man into a vat of boiling hot water.
AND THE WOMAN FILMING IT WAS LAUGHING???? LITERALLY WHAT. WHAT.
The video is INGRAINED in my head, like what the f*** do I do? It's overwhelming me
AT LEAST the poor dog is now dead and out of its misery
Some people are seriously, seriously messed up. If you kill an animal deliberately, mercilessly, for pleasure, then you deserve nothing less than DEATH yourself
I'M JUST SO DONE:weep::weep::weep::weep::weep::weep::weep:
SnowyGreen
20-03-20, 05:39
That's fucing horrible. I hate people that are cruel to animals. I would be traumatised too.
whispershadow
20-03-20, 09:15
The person who filmed it should be thrown into boiling water and boiled alive then cooked in a oven and filmed dying the same painful death :mad:
I don’t wanna turn this into a vicious revenge thread, though I agree that they deserve a similar punishment to that
But I just woke up and it’s all I can think about? What do I do?
What do I do?
Perhaps not purposely watching or reading things that trigger you? :shrug:
Positive thoughts
Do I really need to mention that boiling people alive is wrong? It's absolutely awful, I don't dispute that, but I don't wish these people pain, I just wish they knew better.
@Whisper, please stay kind? It scares me when you speak vso cruelly.
I don’t wanna turn this into a vicious revenge thread, though I agree that they deserve a similar punishment to that
But I just woke up and it’s all I can think about? What do I do?
You do something else.
You are in a horrible spiral Toby, maybe turn off the internet and watch a Disney film?!
Hey Toby
I'm vegan if you want any tips?!
I'm also not made of money by any means so it's doable :D
Elise x
Perhaps not purposely watching or reading things that trigger you? :shrug:
Positive thoughts
I didn't purposefully seek it out
Do I really need to mention that boiling people alive is wrong? It's absolutely awful, I don't dispute that, but I don't wish these people pain, I just wish they knew better.
@Whisper, please stay kind? It scares me when you speak vso cruelly.
I wish them lifetime imprisonment rather than death honestly
You do something else.
You are in a horrible spiral Toby, maybe turn off the internet and watch a Disney film?!
My mind is playing on it. I can't stop thinking about it, to the point where my body begins to ache from horror
Thanks, I'll probably have a nap or something :)
Hey Toby
I'm vegan if you want any tips?!
I'm also not made of money by any means so it's doable :D
Elise x
Hi Elise,
I'm almost vegetarian, I don't eat beef, pork, lamb anymore, only white meats. And the meat I eat most frequently is probably fish?
I know it's not an amazing effort but I had an awakening late last year and tried to at least cut some meats out, so I cut red meats out at the end of last year
whispershadow
20-03-20, 14:12
Do I really need to mention that boiling people alive is wrong? It's absolutely awful, I don't dispute that, but I don't wish these people pain, I just wish they knew better.
@Whisper, please stay kind? It scares me when you speak vso cruelly.
sorry Blue
i get upset and triggered when theres animal cruelty cause animals should never die like that ever :lac:
the only way some people will learn that its a horrible thing to have happen to them if they have it happen to them:mad::mad:
I didn't purposefully seek it out
But why did you watch the video?
Going to respectfully disagree with you there, Whisper, sorry.
Just because other people in the world are monsters, that doesn't mean that I'm prepared to be one. Cruelty only causes more cruelty in the end - we have no knowledge of what might have happened in these people's past. It doesn't excuse what they might have done, but it can act as an explanation.
The best thing we can do is strive as hard as we can to be better people.
sorry Blue
i get upset and triggered when theres animal cruelty cause animals should never die like that ever :lac:
the only way some people will learn that its a horrible thing to have happen to them if they have it happen to them:mad::mad:
But why did you watch the video?
I didn't realize what it was at first...
So, what can you do to make life better for animals?
So, what can you do to make life better for animals?
Not boil them alive
Rubbish answer Toby - how about volunteering at your local dog rescue centre ? (just one example of many many many possibilities) Maybe now aint the right time though, for obvious reasons..... ;o)
Hating is a waste of time, Toby. If you want to be an activist, start looking into ways you can actually make a difference.
I didn't realize what it was at first...
So why continue to watch? Morbid fascination?
MyNameIsTerry
20-03-20, 19:56
You've been triggered by something nasty. It will pass.
As to whether you should become an activist, that's a different matter.
MyNameIsTerry
20-03-20, 20:09
Do I really need to mention that boiling people alive is wrong? It's absolutely awful, I don't dispute that, but I don't wish these people pain, I just wish they knew better.
@Whisper, please stay kind? It scares me when you speak vso cruelly.
I'm not sure they can use that excuse in today's world. Are their cultures so backward they haven't learned to think beyond 'it's always been like this'?
We could say the same about the attitudes to women and rape in some countries.
We could look back over a few decades ourselves and see how our attitudes to the LGBT+ community have changed. The same for our views of sexual abuse (including children) and racism.
But didn't many still know things weren't right?
It's very emotive so those wishing some karma on them is understandable and less of an issue than the (possibly) ignorant committing the original offence. How many of them know it's wrong but don't care? And what of the laughing? Laughing is not ignorance to me, more psychopathic.
Complicated. If we look back at WWII how many turned a blind eye to mass killings (and to he fair sticking your head above the parapet then could easily mean you had the same fate) and human experimentation? So I agree we have to look deeper to understand why it goes on (and try to stop it). And the UK still needs to stop the abuses within our own slaughter.
It's complicated, yes, and I'm not suggesting that the two wrongs here are on anything like the same scale.
That said, I still believe that wishing death and pain on others is an ugly thing, not to mention a huge waste of energy.
It's complicated, yes, and I'm not suggesting that the two wrongs here are on anything like the same scale.
That said, I still believe that wishing death and pain on others is an ugly thing, not to mention a huge waste of energy.
I agree - it's why we're in this mess in the first place! Leaving someone's fate to "karma" is one thing, wishing pain and death another.
And as was famously once said: "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind..."
I didn't purposefully seek it out
You have the power of choice as to read or watch something that triggers you and/or feeds your dragon :shades: anyway.......
Positive thoughts
SnowyGreen
23-03-20, 06:21
Not boil them alive
hahahaha that's a good start.
I can't stomach stuff about child abuse and got extremely freaked out by adverts on TV from the likes of the NSPCC and Barnardos back in the 2000s, especially the one where the teenage girl kept being repeatedly slapped around the head by her dad, with him repeatedly screaming the words 'YOU WORTHLESS LITTLE COW!' at her, and her being stuck in the cycle of crime and drugs.
There was another TV ad by Barnardos from around the same era where a vigilante group disguised as hunters were huddled round a table discussing the 'evils' of contemporary youth accompanied by scaremongering quotes from newspapers at the time about feral teenagers, then went out in a car driving round a neighbourhood and fired gunshots at random groups of teenagers!!
Both really made my blood boil!
Lencoboy, there's one partially animated NSPCC advert from that era that upset me so badly I felt physically sick if I caught an accidental glimpse of the billboards that accompanied it.
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