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lolo95fr
19-10-19, 17:10
Hi, I'm here because I was chased from the forum als, I have twitchs for 27 months all over the body with 24/7 on the calves and feet. I'm too scared to have als. Twitchs do not stop even for a day. they are worse at night and waking up. they are in popcorn mode all over the body. too scared of the als. I did not have any emg. What do you think ? I am 36 years old

nomorepanic
19-10-19, 17:29
Why were you chased from the ALS forums? Because they knew you didn't have it?

I assume you have anxiety hence ending up here?

lolo95fr
19-10-19, 17:35
they told me that the twitchs were benin but nothing else. I am looking for other opinions

nomorepanic
19-10-19, 18:35
So could be anxiety related then.

lolo95fr
19-10-19, 18:52
are twitchs a symptom of anxiety? even after 27 months?

Hypo84
19-10-19, 19:04
Yes, it is called BFS., Benign fasciculation syndrom.

Btw, I know you have anxiety, but also think about other people. It is not okay to bother people on ALS forum. These people are seriously ill and you are perfectly fine other than HA and some fasciculations which sre normal.

Carys
19-10-19, 19:15
So, I would assume that you have seen a doctor and they have said there are no reasons to think this is anything other than anxiety. Benign twitches for 27 months can most definitely be anxiety related and theres a lot of it about here! You were chased from the ALS forum as they known darned well, with absolute conviction, that you don't have ALS.

lolo95fr
19-10-19, 19:15
Yes, it is called BFS., Benign fasciculation syndrom.

Btw, I know you have anxiety, but also think about other people. It is not okay to bother people on ALS forum. These people are seriously ill and you are perfectly fine other than HA and some fasciculations which sre normal.

yes I know and I'm sorry :-( I read everywhere that it's a symptom of the als, I'm so scared 27 months twitchs and they do not stop, I had these twitchs in reading on the als.

Carys
19-10-19, 19:18
If you had ALS, after over 2 years with twitching you would be definitely in a wheelchair with a slow or fast progressing form. Its isn't ALS. You can search on this forum for ALS (or MND as we call it here in the UK) and search for twitching and you will find lots and lots to keep you going for hours. Oh, and Hypo is right, it is very uncool (an understatement) to be bothering diagnosed people on a forum for this condition.

lolo95fr
19-10-19, 19:22
I read everywhere that it takes an emg to exclude the als and my neurologist does not give it to me. I just had a clinical strength test. is it possible to have 27 months of twitching and be it benin?

Carys
19-10-19, 19:25
I read everywhere that it takes an emg to exclude the als and my neurologist does not give it to me. I just had a clinical strength test. is it possible to have 27 months of twitching and be it benin?

You've seen a neurologist, they don't think you have ALS. I have answered above lolo that is absolutely possible to have 27 months of twitching and it be benign, infact 27 months of twitching with no other neurological changes is DEFINITELY benign.


If you had ALS, after over 2 years with twitching you would be definitely in a wheelchair with a slow or fast progressing form. Its isn't ALS. You can search on this forum for ALS (or MND as we call it here in the UK) and search for twitching and you will find lots and lots to keep you going for hours. Oh, and Hypo is right, it is very uncool (an understatement) to be bothering diagnosed people on a forum for this condition.

Fishmanpa
19-10-19, 19:25
Read THIS (https://www.nomorepanic.co.uk/showthread.php?196071-ALS-and-why-you-DON-T-have-it!) as many times as you need to.

Positive thoughts

lolo95fr
19-10-19, 19:45
what worries me is that my legs feel weird but I can walk miles or run. I also escape things from hands like keys and obviously it is a symptom of the als :-(

Carys
19-10-19, 19:47
what worries me is that my legs feel weird but I can walk miles or run. I also escape things from hands like keys and obviously it is a symptom of the als :-(

You've seen a neurologist, they don't think you have ALS. I have answered above lolo that is absolutely possible to have 27 months of twitching and it be benign, infact 27 months of twitching with no other neurological changes is DEFINITELY benign.

If you had ALS, after over 2 years with twitching you would be definitely in a wheelchair with a slow or fast progressing form. Its isn't ALS. You can search on this forum for ALS (or MND as we call it here in the UK) and search for twitching and you will find lots and lots to keep you going for hours. Oh, and Hypo is right, it is very uncool (an understatement) to be bothering diagnosed people on a forum for this condition.

Hypo84
19-10-19, 20:19
what worries me is that my legs feel weird but I can walk miles or run. I also escape things from hands like keys and obviously it is a symptom of the als :-(

Nothing anyone writes here will help you as your brain is not processing information in the rational way.

Find some good therapist and seed professional help. If necessary, take meds.

Carys
19-10-19, 20:31
....but it would certainly help if you read what we are writing :winks: Mind, I think using English might not be easy ?

Fishmanpa
19-10-19, 21:58
what worries me is that my legs feel weird but I can walk miles or run. I also escape things from hands like keys and obviously it is a symptom of the als :-(

Clinical Weakness—ALS is about failing, not feeling.

ALS is about failure—falling down, being unable to stand on your toes, being unable to button your shirt, being unable to lift your hand, etc. It is not about these things becoming more difficult. It is about these things being impossible… no matter how hard you try. If you can do normal things, but it is more difficult, you do not have ALS. If you used to be able to do 100 curls and now one arm can only do 50; that is not ALS. If you used to run 2 miles and now you can only run 1; that is not ALS. If you used to run 2 miles and now you can’t lift up one of your feet, you may have clinical weakness.

It really does happen that something stops working all of a sudden. It is generally one muscle so it will not be a whole limb but the movement done by that muscle is suddenly gone. An example is a calf raise. It won't happen. Think of it like your wifi signal. You are surfing the net, then signal is lost and you can't do anything online no matter how hard you try or how long you wait for a page to load. This is what happens to a muscle in beginning ALS it has lost the signal from the nervous system that tells it to work


Twitching

If you have muscle twitching and the internet says that is a symptom of ALS, pay attention. Twitching (fasciculations) is sometimes a symptom of ongoing ALS. It is seldom, if ever, a first symptom of ALS (especially if it is all over your body). Twitching is very common and is frequently caused by too much caffeine, Rx meds, fatigue, over-exertion, anxiety, stress, and many other common causes If you have twitching without clinical weakness, atrophy or hyperreflexia, your twitching is probably not from ALS, which is a very, very rare disease..

This is taken from the post of a member who saw Dr Orla Hardiman a leading ALS specialist. "I asked her about contradictory information about fasics being a precursor of MND. Here is her answer 1. As you know, fasics are common in patients with MND. But we don't look for fascics to suspect MND, we look for weakness, atrophy or change in reflexes.2. Fasics themselves are no real indicator of MND or any other disease.3. In most cases, fasics are of benign origin.4. I have NEVER had a patient with BFS who progressed in MND. And I had a lots of MND (and BFS) patients in my clinical practice.5. In most cases PALS don't even notice fasics by themselves. Usually their spouse, or someone else is the first one who notices them."


Anxiety

Anxiety can be a real problem that can endanger your physical health. It is what leads many folks to this forum, but it is a self-fueling fire—the more anxious you become, the more twitches you will have, the more you obsess with perceived weakness in your arm or leg or hand, the more dents you will find… and the more you will become convinced you have atrophy. If you can’t stop using the internet to diagnose your problems, or if you cannot stay away from this forum, that should tell you something important about your mental health.

Positive thoughts

NancyW
20-10-19, 00:53
Maybe seeing the REAL ALS will help you see what you DO NOT have...

Watch "Stairs 4-7-13 (Part 2)" on YouTube
https://youtu.be/vf-L6kiEtJk

lolo95fr
20-10-19, 08:56
thank you for all those informations. so you think it unlikely to have als with 27 months of twitching all over the body without any other visible sign? I'm afraid of having hidden muscle weakness. 27 months of twitch is long and it haunts my mind. the more I think about it the more I twitch. moreover, I do not have twitch when I am active. I have twitch at rest only. it looks like popcorn!

Carys
20-10-19, 09:07
Read them again lolo, really read them carefully, they answer your question. I think you are not actually really reading what has been written here.


so you think it unlikely to have als with 27 months of twitching all over the body without any other visible sign?

The sooner you accept this is purely benign and a product of anxiety, the quicker it will disappear. You need to ask yourself this question, why are you wanting the thoughts of complete strangers on the internet, when you have had a consultation with a neurologist who says it definitely IS NOT ALS ?!

Please do not even think about returning to bother people on an ALS forum, but those very people who have the condition dont think you have the condition either.

lolo95fr
20-10-19, 09:15
if I have read everything, I swear to you. right now my left calf twitch, it's like that for 27 months. I hope this is not a sign of als in progress and that one day it will disappear. Is it possible that it is benign and that it lasts for life?

Carys
20-10-19, 09:21
The reason I keep saying you don't seem to be reading what people are saying is that there are numerous posts here, some with links to benign fasciculation syndrome, one with a large link from FMP about ALS. There are many repeating over and over that you definitely don't have it and the reasons for that and yet you come back with this, as if we've not spoken at all.....


I hope this is not a sign of als in progress and that one day it will disappear.


Is it possible that it is benign and that it lasts for life?



I've personally answered this twice. It is CERTAIN it is benign, there is literally NOTHING ELSE IT COULD BE OTHER THAN BENIGN. After 27 months if you had a slow progressing form of ALS you would be in a wheelchair unable to move some body parts, and in some fast moving ALS cases - already Dead. It will last as long as your anxiety lasts. Then ALS community a neurologist and all of us say that this is NOT ALS.

Now its over to you to say its not ALS.

Carys
20-10-19, 09:25
Now, lolo, go and read other peoples threads on here. Do a search and you will have enough to read for months and months. ALS/MND is a common theme on here, infact there are many active threads right now. People talk of EXACTLY the same things as you, same symptoms EXACTLY (see Seymour for instance).

lolo95fr
20-10-19, 10:06
thank you again for your words. I am also on facebook groups on fbs. I see that all the people who live have an emg to exclude the als, to see several emg. I saw 2 neurologists and 3 family doctors, they do not offer me emg. should an emg be required or can it be excluded after a certain time? thank you for everything

Carys
20-10-19, 10:29
I saw 2 neurologists and 3 family doctors, they do not offer me emg.

They haven't offered you one because they don't think you have any reason to need one, it would be an unneccesary test. They have trained for years and years in their specialist fields, there are clear and obvious indicators of ALS which they can easily test for with manual checks and through discussion, and you don't have them. If after those two consultations they thought there were some doubts, you would be offered an emg. SO, to repeat, If any of those family doctors or those two neurologists thought there were any indications that you have anything matching ALS they would have offered an EMG. They were right not to offer one, as now over 2 years later there has been no progression in your 'symptoms' at all. You clearly have a case of Benign fasciculations and they are all right.


Good news isn't it, three family doctors and two neurologist are absolutely of the belief that you don't show anything of concern that requires an emg. All those other people who have had an emg have had symptoms that have caused concern to their specialists, yours don't.

What is fbs ?

Carys
20-10-19, 10:59
Lolo95fr, we have SO many people here like you, so many that have come over the years as this is probably the most common health anxiety theme we see on no more panic. We have heard and seen the pattern so many times before and you match the Health Anxiety patterns perfectly.

lolo95fr
20-10-19, 12:03
thanks for those reassuring words. the doctors do not care about the fasculations whereas me it destroyed my life. I have always been hypochondriac but I have never been so scared since my fasciculations 27 months ago

Hypo84
20-10-19, 12:26
The fact that fasciculations are destroying your life is your choice.

BlueIris
20-10-19, 12:27
thanks for those reassuring words. the doctors do not care about the fasculations whereas me it destroyed my life. I have always been hypochondriac but I have never been so scared since my fasciculations 27 months ago

The doctors don't care about the fasciculations because they're medically insignificant.

Carys
20-10-19, 12:29
the doctors do not care about the fasculations whereas me it destroyed my life.

You need to now live your life despite the fasculations, and you will find that one day they are gone, reduced hugely or they might come and go based on your anxiety level. The reason your doctors 'don't care' is because it is not a sign of anything wrong with you, APART from anxiety. The reason why they have 'destroyed your life' is because of your constant fear that you have ALS and reenforcing that fact month after month after month and not accepting the conclusion of 5 highly trained medical professionals. There is no need for them to destroy your life, they need to be ignored/accepted. There is no sinister reason for the symptoms you are getting, and myself, like many others have had them for many years.


Edited to add - I see two 'colleagues' LOL got their responses in before me, but said the same and far more succinctly as I was too busy typing many sentences.

lolo95fr
20-10-19, 12:44
thank you to all of you. I will stop reading on the als and tell me that it is benin after 27 months. I have no doctor for a year but I have no evolution ... again thank you

Carys
20-10-19, 12:45
I am very pleased to hear this :yesyes: All those tragically unwell people on the ALS forum would give everything that owned to be given your results from all those doctors. Think of that.

The doubts will come back into your head over the next few weeks and months, you can expect that. Come back and read this thread when they do.

lolo95fr
20-10-19, 17:37
I'm sorry to come back, I just have one last question. the last time I saw a doctor, it was in October 2018 after 14 months of twitching, do you think he would have seen muscle weakness? I'm too scared because I often miss little things from my hands (it's not all the time). Another point, my calves twitch 24/7 for 27 months, would I have difficulty walking if it was als? thanks again and sorry

nomorepanic
20-10-19, 17:38
Hi

This is just a courtesy reply to let you know that your post was moved from its original place to a sub-forum that is more relevant to your issue.

This is nothing personal - it just enables us to keep posts about the same problems in the relevant forums so other members with any experience with the issues can find them more easily.

Please also read this post:

http://www.nomorepanic.co.uk/showthread.php?t=213239

Carys
20-10-19, 17:52
Well, its as I warned, such is the nature of HA I'm afraid...the doubts can set in quickly even when a short while earlier your logical mind had sorted it all out.


I'm sorry to come back, I just have one last question. the last time I saw a doctor, it was in October 2018 after 14 months of twitching, do you think he would have seen muscle weakness? I'm too scared because I often miss little things from my hands (it's not all the time).

Yes, the doctor would have definitely seen something. They would have seen something after 2-3 months, let alone 14 months! However, a bigger point is that now it is 27 months....and you yourself HAVE SEEN NO WEAKNESS. (I have someone in my family with MND, and know lots with it, so have experience.) AS for sometimes 'missing things' with ALS it isn't 'sometimes' it becomes all the time, every single time and then you can't use the limb at all.

For your second question ....
Another point, my calves twitch 24/7 for 27 months, would I have difficulty walking if it was als? thanks again and sorry
....you need to read back on this thread, just as I advised you would need to. This has been answered many times. What did I say about if you had had ALS for 27 months? IF you had had ALS for 27 months there would by now be two situations.......


COme back and tell me the answer.

lolo95fr
21-10-19, 20:14
I read a lot about this forum and it was interresting. I remember that the als rarely starts with twitchs and there is necessarily other symptoms that occur after the twitch so after 27 months, I'm good even without emg. this being my twitch can last all my life if i continue my bad thought about als !

Carys
21-10-19, 20:24
I'm good even without emg.

Yes, not just because of the time-scale and a lack of an emg, but also because 5 doctors have seen you, ALS patients have given opinions, the fact you've had no progression and your symptoms don't matching ALS. Basically, there is literally no way AT ALL.

Glad you've got to this point lolo, and very quickly too as things go on this forum lol, thats a very sensible change in your thought processes.

Fishmanpa
22-10-19, 00:02
Allow me to give you a different perspective. While I'm not a sufferer, I've dealt with depression and what I call "scanxiety" after my illnesses. Two heart attacks, triple bypass, stents and Stage IVa head and Neck cancer. Fun eh? There are some members that have dealt with their worst fears as well and are here offering advice and some have worked hard on their anxiety and moved on. I found this site by following obvious sufferers from the cancer forum I was part of to give them a piece of my mind. I ended up staying to try and help. I have a daughter that suffers from depression and anxiety and it's helped me understand things more.

The treatment for my illnesses left me with a plethora of side effects, many of them quite unpleasant. Tack on a pill here and a pill there (7 prescriptions and several more supplements and OTC meds) to help control them and I do Ok. The best medicine for me aside from the prescriptions is to do my best to maintain a positive attitude. "Life is 10% what happens to us and 90% how we handle it" - Charles Swindoll

There are days when I feel I've been run over by a truck but the reality is, I have no choice but to carry on and live the best life I can. I can still have a great day at work even though I felt like sh1t ;) So I push through maintaining the hope that tomorrow will be a better day and don't beat myself up if it isn't. You have to do the same.

Just as I have a catalyst for my symptoms, you do to! Treatment cause mine. Anxiety causes yours. Treat your anxiety and you also treat the symptoms associated with it. And even if treating your anxiety doesn't eliminate the twitching, so what? I would trade the neuropathy, muscle spasms in my neck so bad it makes my eyes water or the general lack of saliva and swallowing issues etc. etc. etc. from surgery, chemo and radiation for some twitchy calves ;)

Positive thoughts

Seymour
24-10-19, 17:22
The jury is still out on how long you need to wait to truly consider fasciculations benign. Dr Eisen one of the leading specialists in MND says 8 to 12 months. Some say up to 5 years... There are no hard and fast rules even though we would love that for complete reassurance but it is what it is.

If you only have twitching and absolutely no anomaly on clinical examination after two years, it is extremely unlikely that you will develop ALS. You will always find outlier cases online but even my neurologist said he has never seen to date someone present with widespread fasciculations and no weakness or atrophy progress to ALS.

ElectricAlice
24-10-19, 22:48
Is muscle fatigue on one side a sign of MND?

Flapj
25-10-19, 03:51
Allow me to give you a different perspective. While I'm not a sufferer, I've dealt with depression and what I call "scanxiety" after my illnesses. Two heart attacks, triple bypass, stents and Stage IVa head and Neck cancer. Fun eh? There are some members that have dealt with their worst fears as well and are here offering advice and some have worked hard on their anxiety and moved on. I found this site by following obvious sufferers from the cancer forum I was part of to give them a piece of my mind. I ended up staying to try and help. I have a daughter that suffers from depression and anxiety and it's helped me understand things more.

The treatment for my illnesses left me with a plethora of side effects, many of them quite unpleasant. Tack on a pill here and a pill there (7 prescriptions and several more supplements and OTC meds) to help control them and I do Ok. The best medicine for me aside from the prescriptions is to do my best to maintain a positive attitude. "Life is 10% what happens to us and 90% how we handle it" - Charles Swindoll

There are days when I feel I've been run over by a truck but the reality is, I have no choice but to carry on and live the best life I can. I can still have a great day at work even though I felt like sh1t ;) So I push through maintaining the hope that tomorrow will be a better day and don't beat myself up if it isn't. You have to do the same.

Just as I have a catalyst for my symptoms, you do to! Treatment cause mine. Anxiety causes yours. Treat your anxiety and you also treat the symptoms associated with it. And even if treating your anxiety doesn't eliminate the twitching, so what? I would trade the neuropathy, muscle spasms in my neck so bad it makes my eyes water or the general lack of saliva and swallowing issues etc. etc. etc. from surgery, chemo and radiation for some twitchy calves ;)

Positive thoughts


Thank you for posting this and for your many other reassuring posts.

lolo95fr
25-10-19, 06:28
The jury is still out on how long you need to wait to truly consider fasciculations benign. Dr Eisen one of the leading specialists in MND says 8 to 12 months. Some say up to 5 years... There are no hard and fast rules even though we would love that for complete reassurance but it is what it is.

If you only have twitching and absolutely no anomaly on clinical examination after two years, it is extremely unlikely that you will develop ALS. You will always find outlier cases online but even my neurologist said he has never seen to date someone present with widespread fasciculations and no weakness or atrophy progress to ALS.

I also read that sometimes it was necessary to wait 5 to clear the als with the fasciculations. I am so afraid of the als. I twitch all over the body with feet and calves permanently for 27 months. my last visit to the doctor was a year ago. how do I know if I do not have muscle weakness? I sometimes escape small things from my hands and have trouble opening some plastic films. I can carry heavy things. I had twitchs just after reading about als 😔

Carys
25-10-19, 07:54
Please Lolo , don't take steps backwards, read your thread again and the reasons why you DON'T have this illness. Seymour has been struggling himself with an out of control fear of ALS with very similar symptoms to you , and has just been told by a neurologist that there is no MND/ALS.

Seymour
30-10-19, 02:44
I also read that sometimes it was necessary to wait 5 to clear the als with the fasciculations.

This is bullshit. One guy said that but most specialists say 8 months to 2 years but even then if you have a clean EMG and clinical you just don't have ALS. 27 months is more than enough to clear you. More than enough. I've been twitching for 5 months and the ALS specialist said 100% I don't have it and that fasciculations are meaningless if you don't have clinical weakness, upper motor neurons signs (Babinski, sustained clonus, etc.) or EMG findings of widespread denervation/renervation.

lolo95fr
30-10-19, 08:02
This is bullshit. One guy said that but most specialists say 8 months to 2 years but even then if you have a clean EMG and clinical you just don't have ALS. 27 months is more than enough to clear you. More than enough. I've been twitching for 5 months and the ALS specialist said 100% I don't have it and that fasciculations are meaningless if you don't have clinical weakness, upper motor neurons signs (Babinski, sustained clonus, etc.) or EMG findings of widespread denervation/renervation.

that's why the doctor I saw is not concerned with my twitchs. right now, they are growing but my anxiety is at the max. I did not have any emg and I tell myself that this is the only way to exclude the same als after 27 months :-(

Murphy93
30-10-19, 19:27
that's why the doctor I saw is not concerned with my twitchs. right now, they are growing but my anxiety is at the max. I did not have any emg and I tell myself that this is the only way to exclude the same als after 27 months :-(

I must admit seeing the above posts about the waiting time from twitching has triggered me a little . I have been twitching for 10 months now but feel absolutely fine and still go to the gym 4 times a week

I totally believe you are fine lolo- I know exactly how you are feeling and would honestly give anything to erase this fear from my life !

Carys
30-10-19, 20:11
Too much is made of this 'twitching' and possible MND links (the twitching with MND IF it even happens is related to a specific area where the neurons and muscle function are failing) I don't think its helpful to be told about timescales that doctors give to another person in a consultation. The point is there are far more obvious symptoms, and its easy to exclude it anyway via basic neuro tests.

Murphy93
30-10-19, 21:42
Too much is made of this 'twitching' and possible MND links (the twitching with MND IF it even happens is related to a specific area where the neurons and muscle function are failing) I don't think its helpful to be told about timescales that doctors give to another person in a consultation. The point is there are far more obvious symptoms, and its easy to exclude it anyway via basic neuro tests.

Thanks Carys you give great advice on here and have really helped me . I seemed to be doing well for a few weeks but annoyed at myself with this set back . Canít believe I am entering my 11th of this fear but will do anything to change it . Like you said I have no obvious symptoms Iím bench pressing at the gym everyday but for some reason seem to have this irrational thought .

Carys
30-10-19, 21:48
Murphy really, I've seen too many people with this illness, after 11 months.....those twitches are benign. :yesyes:

Murphy93
30-10-19, 21:52
Murphy really, I've seen too many people with this illness, after 11 months.....those twitches are benign. :yesyes:

Thank you! 😀😀 you really are a saviour . Especially tonight my anxiety has been at a real high!

Carys
30-10-19, 21:57
You are so welcome, glad to make a difference. I see people getting so worked up about twitches (which I have myself incidentally and have the last few years, but related to hormonal changes) and it actually bemuses me a bit. I think people just read the word 'twitches' and because they haven't seen or (thankfully!) experienced MND/ALS type twitches they think they are a similar thing. Its just the word 'twitch' they latch onto, but twitching can manifest in so many different ways. If you have neurons failing in say your left foot, the muscles get fatigued and have to work harder and don't respond as they should to the movements you want to happen, and then some twitching is possible in that area. However, you would also have other symptoms, like poor function of that foot, tripping and so on. Honestly, you are over this, anyone who can go to the gym 4 times a week.........honestly. IN even a slow progressing rare form of MND you would be having functional problems, in a fast progressing form you'd be in a wheelchair by now.

Murphy93
30-10-19, 22:10
That makes total sense thatís for detailing it for me- you are so right itís just the Twitch people latch onto, and I have myself been a total Victim of that,

Iím a 29 year old girl who is not living my life the way I should be because of this itís depressing.

I too have a lot of hormonal imbalances and also vitamin issues, I think this totally attributes to my terrible anxiety also!

Carys
30-10-19, 22:15
I too have a lot of hormonal imbalances and also vitamin issues, I think this totally attributes to my terrible anxiety also!

Absolutely to both ! I never had twitches until I had imbalanced hormones in these last few years (heading to meno) and I only returned here with anxiety that was going along with those hormone changes. So, even though you are younger, you could be having the same symptoms as myself if things are up the spout. For want of a better term. Luckily, in my case, the symptoms I have are detailed as part of 'the change' but if you are younger and have imbalances I can see it would be more confusing and hard to pinpoint.

Murphy93
30-10-19, 22:40
Absolutely to both ! I never had twitches until I had imbalanced hormones in these last few years (heading to meno) and I only returned here with anxiety that was going along with those hormone changes. So, even though you are younger, you could be having the same symptoms as myself if things are up the spout. For want of a better term. Luckily, in my case, the symptoms I have are detailed as part of 'the change' but if you are younger and have imbalances I can see it would be more confusing and hard to pinpoint.

Yeah absolutely! I think I may go get it checked out again , I have avoided the doctor for 10 months lol never a fan of going down but I think after my meltdown tonight Iíve realised I need to address this anxiety, thanks again for your help carys - maybe next year I can look back on this and wonder why I was getting so worked up about this dreaded illness . X

Carys
30-10-19, 22:43
GOod plan, let me know how you get on (message if you like). You will look back on this, of course, that goes without saying.....and learn from it....

Murphy93
30-10-19, 23:00
I will definitely let you know thank you!!

lolo95fr
30-10-19, 23:01
it is interesting to listen to it. I am depressed, my calves and feet twitch non stop yet I can walk km. I also have random twitchs all over the body for 27 months. I also tingling, burning sensation, electric discharge all over the body. I also have unique hiccups quite often and that for 27 months. I'm on my phone all day watching things on these symptoms. I'm going crazy.
do you think this can only be related to anxiety? I have always been hypochondriac but that's worse I think constantly to als because of these symptoms that last for 27 months.

Carys
30-10-19, 23:19
do you think this can only be related to anxiety?

Yup, I have no doubt. The sooner you stop spending all your time searching for symptoms and start focusing on something else.....the quicker it will resolve.

mocata
02-11-19, 00:24
hope it is not rude to post symptoms here im so sorry but ive been having similar twitch in my right leg, wrist and palm and also on the left side of my neck/shoulder region. i was wondering if it could be sciatica like my dad's but not sure : (