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Unfortunately Fact is, he made a mistake that has repercussions. This is why in the real world we have pre-prints that are peer reviewed before publication.
He’s a YouTuber, his videos are not going to be peer reviewed before release. When he posts them, it’s quite clear he has a whole host of peers waiting to review his content. Thats a good thing and will keep him in check.
As for Covid deniers jumping on his mistake, who cares? They are very adept at cherry picking and twisting words, that’s just what they do. I personally feel that the well publicised behaviour of our Government, the gross overestimation and modelling from the Governments own scientific advisors and the constant wishy washy messaging from the Government are far more powerful weapons to the deniers than a random YouTuber conveying the wrong message.
Yes, he’s made a mistake. He’s been called on it, he’s been debunked and it’s now up to him to either correct his error or respond with a counter. If he doesn’t then he’s only doing his own reputation harm. That’s his problem. I’ve watched a fair few of his videos and quite honestly, I find them a bit simplistic. He generally references his data pretty well and, based on the few videos of his I watched, I think it’s his intention to be accurate.
MyNameIsTerry
30-01-22, 20:29
I've noticed the Covid case numbers over the past week or so have been a bit strange.
Firstly, the dashboard case numbers have revealed a downward trend (apart from Monday-Wednesday) in both the 'Cases by date reported' and the 'Cases by specimen date' measures, while the ZOE numbers are the opposite; showing a sharp increase in case numbers nationwide during the same period (182k today).
The news generally doesn't seem to be making as big a deal over Covid in general right now (instead concentrating more on the scandals of the likes of Boris and Prince Andrew, and the Ukraine crisis), even though they did briefly touch on Omicron BA.2 earlier in the week, but haven't (as yet) gone the whole hog and put the fear of God into us over it, like they did with Omicron BA.1 before Christmas, plus 'Plan B' restrictions started being eased over the week.
All very odd and out of whack.
Perhaps it's because Delta was putting more people in mechanical ventilation beds despite lower hospital rates? Also the coincidental hospital issue.
The issue of deaths will only be truly understood when death certs are conpiled but don't they normally track even higher on the ONS stats?
MyNameIsTerry
30-01-22, 20:43
I suppose they are free agents?
I've only got an issue with the "Dr" title, Lenco. It's misleading as Terry says.
Interesting thing is, he could actually be a doctor and I would still have concerns. Would I expect my GP to specialise in viruses?
It's up to the public to scrutinise and determine accuracy only takes us so far. Not everyone has those skills but they can post a link. I believe there is greater responsibility on the person creating content. Isn't that why we have regulation across many industries?
I'm not suggesting he is wrong but I just hope he makes it very clear he has an irrelevant doctorate. I say this because throughout this thread, and in the media, he is referred to as doctor. He could hold a doctorate in any subject but because he took one in a medical field he seems to hold an elevated status. Trust your doctor. As spectrum says, people don't use these titles other than in professional settings e.g. a conference of the likeminded pros.
I can't comment on his willingness to encourage peer review but it sounds like it's good. But as a former analyst myself I know there is a difference between stakeholder and analyst skill sets. Does his doctorate give him the technical expertise? I have no idea hence I remain cautious.
I guess I'm saying he may be in between we laymen and the pros. His mistake seems to indicate an error proper expertise would have avoided. But I do think he has also been seized up in the current frenzy.
John Campbell is being put through a version of peer review. I personally couldn’t give a toss if he refers to himself as “Dr”, (he does have a doctorate after all) I’m more interested in how accurate he is. He appears to welcome peer review and fact checking, he corrects himself when he’s proven wrong or mistaken.
I think it’s everyone’s duty to themselves to scrutinise anyone making claims, especially when the claims surround something like a global pandemic that affects the entire planet. There’s no reason whatsoever why he shouldn’t be highly scrutinised, but the same goes for everyone putting themselves and their opinions into the public domain.
Peer review and fact checking are incredibly important. I’m always suspicious of anyone who doesn’t welcome it. John Campbell appears to welcome it, for me that shows he is to be trusted and above all, he wants his data and his videos to be as accurate as possible.Couldn't agree more Gary. I've seen many a broadcast he's done where a viewer has corrected him, and he's mentioned it in his next video, and indeed welcomed the correction.
Where has all this cynicism come from? I agree he's not a Tim Spector when it comes to virology/epidemiology, but he's made a good fist of analysing the data ever since this pandemic kicked off. Save it for the real charlatans like David Icke.
Pamplemousse
30-01-22, 23:04
Well, he doesn't seem to be welcoming the correction the BBC has forced upon him.
Well, he doesn't seem to be welcoming the correction the BBC has forced upon him.
I watched the video that’s brought on this critique from the BBC, and quite honestly I think he’s entitled to feel a bit pissed off. He makes it very clear that he is merely showing the numbers of deaths were Covid-19 was the ONLY thing mentioned on the death certificate. At no point does he say, or even remotely hint, that deaths involving underlying conditions are not relevant.
Personally, I think the BBC have got a bee in their bonnet because he makes reference to this not being reported by mainstream media. His response video involves him inviting the author of the BBC article on to his channel for an interview and to discuss these matters. Honestly, I can’t even see that he’s made a mistake, I think he’s reported published data.
The BBC are far from a beacon of truth and morals, much as they’d like to be portrayed as such. I think that insinuating that John Campbell is somehow uncaring about the deaths of people with underlying conditions is borderline libellous, frankly. If I was him I’d be responding with a lot more anger than he has.
I’m not this guys best friend or anything, and as I mentioned earlier I find his videos a bit bland, but in this instance I think he’s being treated unfairly. Peer review is one thing, I applaud and encourage it. Insinuating that the man is somehow downplaying the deaths of tens of thousands of people is a bit of a cheap low blow by the BBC.
MyNameIsTerry
31-01-22, 05:07
I don't see him downplaying either and it's perhaps that he has been scooped up with those who do? I read that part and thought it was just a factual statement. But I also down feel this being about friction with the BBC, unless he's having a run in with one person, because he's a minnow in a sea of people who the BBC could have an issue with.
I have seen the BBC purposely mislead by only publishing a side they agree with. Their coverage of passporting (Brexit), at one point, consisted of one expert backing the EU when upcoming legislation had already changed the situation. All media have their biases, someone owns them all after all.
None of this was my primary concern. Is he clear about his expertise in the vids? The thing is profile makes money and he has built a channel out of Covid. When I think of mental health I can think of some who have done similiar which makes me cautious of the overselling doctor title. To be fair though I don't watch his vids and am commenting regarding others, including the media, using a title. And I would be the same with other medical professions like the paramedic currently getting BBC time who claims the science doesn't stack up citing how other vaccines have had greater effect (never heard of flu jabs then :doh:). We tend to trust medical people and this vaccination issue makes me question the ability of some of them to scrutinise things I would expect them to have a head start on me.
I watched a rally in America where Robert Kennedy Junior was urging people not to get vaccinated etc etc..He was an absolute wreck and could barely get his words out when interviewed. He is trading off his "Kennedy" name and would not be noticed otherwise. Likewise Piers Corbyn. David Icke makes money out of being ridiculous. Loads of "experts" have made money from Covid.
Looks as though unvaccinated NHS patient facing workers will no longer be penalised.
None of this was my primary concern. Is he clear about his expertise in the vids? The thing is profile makes money and he has built a channel out of Covid.
I guess it just depends how you view it. Me, I honestly don’t care that he calls himself “Dr” as he does indeed have a doctorate. I can understand that some people might question this but, from what I’ve seen of his videos, the data he uses and very stringently references are data that we all have access to.
I would have to watch more of the guy to give a truly informed opinion, but from what I’ve seen he is trying to break down publicly available data and put it more into layman’s terms.
I personally am not that impressed by the argument from authority aspect of this. Look at Neil Ferguson, the go to epidemiologist. The guy has been miles off, more than once. Obviously it’s far better to go to people with the appropriate qualifications and expertise, I’m not disputing that, but their qualifications aren’t all that relevant when their projections turn out to be incorrect.
I’d be interested to know how many videos of his have been viewed by those who seem to want to demonise the man. Questioning his credentials and insisting he’s fact checked are absolutely fine, I have zero issue with that. Having a huge machine like the BBC blanketing you with an accusation of downplaying tens of thousands of deaths is, frankly, repulsive. If I were him, I’d be demanding an apology and a retraction. The BBC should know better, but I’m not all that surprised.
Pamplemousse
31-01-22, 09:22
Looks as though unvaccinated NHS patient facing workers will no longer be penalised.
"In England", P., and it's not a foregone conclusion yet but even the dumbasses in Government must realise just how much damage will be done to their precious targets if they suddenly lose upwards of 70,000 staff en masse in two months' time.
I gather that unvaccinated staff are having interviews this week to ask what they intend to do. I certainly know one of twenty years' experience who has said they will leave if the plan remains in place.
While changing the subject slightly, there's a bit of chopping and changing going on with the dashboard site from today, which has obviously resulted in today's stats being delayed (surprise, surprise)!
Pamplemousse
31-01-22, 18:00
While changing the subject slightly, there's a bit of chopping and changing going on with the dashboard site from today, which has obviously resulted in today's stats being delayed (surprise, surprise)!
That'll be the inclusion of multiple infections, won't it?
That'll be the inclusion of multiple infections, won't it?
I think they did say they were starting to include reinfections, though it probably won't affect the general day-to-day numbers (e.g, 'Cases by date reported').
Back to the furore over Dr JC, a guy called Alex Bellfield, who is also a YouTuber and a comedian (his YouTube channel is called 'Alex Bellfield-The Voice Of Reason', of which I have actually seen video links to on YT, but never viewed), is now also getting it in the neck over the same Covid deaths report debacle.
Apparently so. Less deaths are expected though.
I think they did say they were starting to include reinfections, though it probably won't affect the general day-to-day numbers (e.g, 'Cases by date reported').
Back to the furore over Dr JC, a guy called Alex Bellfield, who is also a YouTuber and a comedian (his YouTube channel is called 'Alex Bellfield-The Voice Of Reason', of which I have actually seen video links to on YT, but never viewed), is now also getting it in the neck over the same Covid deaths report debacle.
This will probably all blow over due to good old Sue Gray and her "update"!
I wouldn't worry about any negative comments re JC or others. If you get benefit from reading his views then that's fine. Be true to your own decisions and have confidence in them?
This will probably all blow over due to good old Sue Gray and her "update"!
I wouldn't worry about any negative comments re JC or others. If you get benefit from reading his views then that's fine. Be true to your own decisions and have confidence in them?
No matter what opinions of others on here, I'm not boycotting Dr JC just yet, and as others have opined upthread, I still feel as though he's been unfairly and hastily lambasted.
Of course Aunty Beeb are no strangers to various controversies and scandals over the years, e.g, that odious sh1tester Jimmy Savile and others of his ilk!
On the BBC News channel this morning they're saying that there's now fears of a possible measles epidemic to come following all the post-Covid reopenings of international travel.
Seriously, the serial antivaxxers certainly have a lot to answer for, especially as many parents have been shunning MMR jabs, even long before this pandemic started, but has obviously intensified all the more throughout this pandemic.
And sh1testers like Andrew Wakefield still continue to spew their bile online with virtual impunity!😟
The dashboard site still doesn't really look any different despite the talk of Covid reinfection stats being added to it.
In fact, I can't even see the new measure for reinfections on it anywhere.
Cases in England alone are back above 100k once again today, and UK-wide ZOE cases are almost at 200k but there's no explanations for possible reasons why anywhere.
The BA.2 Omicron sub-variant was briefly covered last week as one plausible explanation, but the general media coverage right now of all things Covid in the UK seems to be rather vague and patchy in general.
Even as recently as 6 months ago, the current numbers would probably have meant an automatic fourth national lockdown and most people scared witless, but now hardly anybody seems to be batting an eyelid.
BTW, I'm not necessarily advocating another national lockdown right now.
Tonight the BBC site have finally piped up with an explanation over the sudden jump in confirmed Covid cases since yesterday; they mentioned that the new dashboard stats have included backlogs of previously unrecorded cases and also reinfections that have, up until now, previously remained unconfirmed, which inevitably results in a temporary 'artificial' spike in daily confirmed cases, as they say the previously unconfirmed cases are being lumped in with the general daily case stats.
The same BBC article also stated that the underlying 7-day trend still remains lower, despite the sudden counting changes on the dashboard site.
MyNameIsTerry
02-02-22, 14:30
Looks like the no 10 decorators will be coming in again :winks:
MyNameIsTerry
02-02-22, 14:32
This will probably all blow over due to good old Sue Gray and her "update"!
I wouldn't worry about any negative comments re JC or others. If you get benefit from reading his views then that's fine. Be true to your own decisions and have confidence in them?
Same from me, Lenco. If JC's stuff is good, accurate and helps then keep watching.
Same from me, Lenco. If JC's stuff is good, accurate and helps then keep watching.
Thanks Terry.
I'd still much rather listen to Dr JC any day rather than say, Alex Bellend-The Voice Of (Un)Reason!
Looks like the no 10 decorators will be coming in again :winks:
And meanwhile, I've read an article on a local forum where Michael Fabricant, (Tory) MP for Lichfield, has been having digs at Starmer for allegedly failing to prosecute Jimmy Savile back in 2009, in response to Boris's current Partygate accusations, which is the most ludicrous form of both deflection and whataboutery I have ever known.
The article stated that Starmer actually had nothing to do with said case back then, but Fabricant was using it as a kind of 'smokescreen' in response the Partygate scandal.
Odious gobsh1te of an MP!
And meanwhile, I've read an article on a local forum where Michael Fabricant, (Tory) MP for Lichfield, has been having digs at Starmer for allegedly failing to prosecute Jimmy Savile back in 2009, in response to Boris's current Partygate accusations, which is the most ludicrous form of both deflection and whataboutery I have ever known.
The article stated that Starmer actually had nothing to do with said case back then, but Fabricant was using it as a kind of 'smokescreen' in response the Partygate scandal.
Odious gobsh1te of an MP!
CORRECTION; it was actually Boris himself that brought up the Keir Starmer-Jimmy Savile thing in the HOC to deflect from his own misdemeanours of late, and Michael Fabricant sided with Boris and ran with it.
Just to reiterate, the article stated that Starmer's alleged role in the Savile case is 'baseless', and also according to several fact-checking sites.
Still epic whataboutery and deflection though!
How can anyone take Michael Fabricant seriously with that hair(piece)..He looks like one of David Walliams' characters in Little Britain...
Has this Fabricant chap been fabricating?
Has this Fabricant chap been fabricating?
We must wait for the Met Report to tell us that.
MyNameIsTerry
03-02-22, 06:31
Just his name alone means I can't take him seriously. There was also a film called The Fabricant with Jean Claude Van Damme. The guy just reminds me of Peter Stringfellow. When will his midlife crisis finally end and he cuts that mop? Does bad hair and lack of style get you further up the ranks or something? He must have a convertible which he whistles the young women from.
Lenco, I think both parties failed very badly over celeb pervs. It was a known culture everyone looked the other way from. Many have links into times where their circles crossed. They could throw it at each other if they wanted given the advanced age of many MPs who worked their way up through those abusive times. Parliamentary Privilege always amazes me, another abused relic of the system.
With Boris it's going to be more about who's next. MPs may have to support him if who is sounding like the next leader doesn't align with the views of the party within the party. Deflection is just a tactic they all use and it's always transparent.
Even May has popped up to state the rules should apply to all. Christ, she who didn't budge after the Windrush scandal. That should have ended her.
MyNameIsTerry
03-02-22, 06:43
Thanks Terry.
I'd still much rather listen to Dr JC any day rather than say, Alex Bellend-The Voice Of (Un)Reason!
Or Dr Doom Ferguson always predicting end times plagues. Something must be wrong with that blokes calculator.
Or Dr Doom Ferguson always predicting end times plagues. Something must be wrong with that blokes calculator.
Probably got a screw loose?
MyNameIsTerry
03-02-22, 09:11
Probably got a screw loose?
Not the first time a screw has got him into trouble :winks:
MyNameIsTerry
03-02-22, 09:13
Has this Fabricant chap been fabricating?
Is that a euphemism? And I thought it was his mobile he was fiddling with behind Truss :whistles:
It's like the cinema. That one guy sitting right at the back away from everyone else in a quiet cinema. :winks:
Pamplemousse
03-02-22, 10:10
Is that a euphemism? And I thought it was his mobile he was fiddling with behind Truss
There was some bemused speculation what the MP for Stoke was up to when he was baying (maskless) at the previous week's PMQs - enough for the obnoxious shite to attract the attention of the artist Cold War Steve.
Just his name alone means I can't take him seriously. There was also a film called The Fabricant with Jean Claude Van Damme. The guy just reminds me of Peter Stringfellow. When will his midlife crisis finally end and he cuts that mop? Does bad hair and lack of style get you further up the ranks or something? He must have a convertible which he whistles the young women from.
Lenco, I think both parties failed very badly over celeb pervs. It was a known culture everyone looked the other way from. Many have links into times where their circles crossed. They could throw it at each other if they wanted given the advanced age of many MPs who worked their way up through those abusive times. Parliamentary Privilege always amazes me, another abused relic of the system.
With Boris it's going to be more about who's next. MPs may have to support him if who is sounding like the next leader doesn't align with the views of the party within the party. Deflection is just a tactic they all use and it's always transparent.
Even May has popped up to state the rules should apply to all. Christ, she who didn't budge after the Windrush scandal. That should have ended her.
As regards your comments about both blue and red parties failing over celeb pervs (and various other 'bogeymen', who have seemingly got off scot-free for various atrocities over the years), it just demonstrates how entrenched such culture is within our society.
There's also an article on the BBC site today about vulnerable children still being let down by the care system and treated as potential 'criminals', rather than vulnerable kids in dire crisis, especially by the so-called NIMBYs who blatantly object to new children's homes being built/opened in their area.
Surely, by the same token, my dad reckons there's also anti-Semitism within the Tory party/govt, but Labour still seem to get it in the neck the most over said issue, though two wrongs don't make a right, of course.
MyNameIsTerry
03-02-22, 13:47
There was some bemused speculation what the MP for Stoke was up to when he was baying (maskless) at the previous week's PMQs - enough for the obnoxious shite to attract the attention of the artist Cold War Steve.
Had to look that one up. What an idiot sitting there maskless.
Thankfully Gullis isn't mine. He took over from Labour's Ruth Smeeth who was a popular MP who seemed to actually care from my GFs dealings with her over drug needle problems near her. Sadly lost due to Corbyn who did nothing to stop the abuse his mates were giving out to Jewish MPs. My GF couldn't vote Labour because of that but she didn't vote for Gullis either.
Whenever I see my MP he seems to be quiet. It's mob mentality in that place though, a good example of how not to behave at work where we mortals would get told off for it.
Whenever I see my MP he seems to be quiet. It's mob mentality in that place though, a good example of how not to behave at work where we mortals would get told off for it.
A typical 'do as I say, not as I do' mentality.
That MP should be nicknamed 'Gutless'!
Likewise, closer to home, Michael Fabricant should also be nicknamed 'Michael Fabricate'!
But hey ho, that's already been touched on upthread.
Dare I say it, Dr JC's latest video discusses the current situation in Denmark, and how their authorities have now finally bitten the bullet and jettisoned all Covid-related restrictions there.
I also read somewhere online this morning that lockdowns are now also considered pointless in this Omicron wave, or something along those lines.
Mind you, the BBC have now moved on to the cost of living crisis and today's interest rate rise as the foremost topic(s), but not quite Armageddon-style headlines.
MyNameIsTerry
03-02-22, 16:08
It will be the energy price cap issue for a few days. A massive problem being hidden. Even well performing smaller energy companies folded despite the BS from the government about not propping up failing firms. Yet they threw money at the big ones and even bailed out Bulb which has never performed. Grants to small firms would have saved some of them. Inside the industry there has been a sense Ofgem are happy to watch the industry head back towards lack of competition. Ofgem have always been crap.
MyNameIsTerry
03-02-22, 16:15
A typical 'do as I say, not as I do' mentality.
That MP should be nicknamed 'Gutless'!
Likewise, closer to home, Michael Fabricant should also be nicknamed 'Michael Fabricate'!
But hey ho, that's already been touched on upthread.
Maybe in the House. He's ok locally though and that's more what I vote for in a candidate. GEs are only about the parties.
We had Labour for donkeys years but you rarely heard from them. I didn't even know my outgoing Labour MP had his surgery less than a mile from me. Good luck finding it, it was hidden away above takeaways. The Tory MP immediately set up in a larger nearby shopping centre precinct with lots of signage.
Then we get a Tory councillor and he's much better. Newsletters through the door, Christmas cards and even on the street talking to us when he set up a load of skips to cut down on fly tipping. Seemed a nice guy when I spoke to him. Outgoing Labour councillor of many years? Never heard from her and no comms (she may have never done anything for all we would know). It's why people are sick of donkey in a red or blue rosette strongholds.
Good news at work. Visors are off again as long as you're not dealing with a patient who has Covid.
Shame stores delivered us 200 instead of the 20 I requested. I may have to give them out as Christmas pressies next year.
MyNameIsTerry
03-02-22, 17:53
Good news at work. Visors are off again as long as you're not dealing with a patient who has Covid.
Shame stores delivered us 200 instead of the 20 I requested. I may have to give them out as Christmas pressies next year.
Business opportunity for Halloween if you paint them with blood splatters, big eyes and teeth? https://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/halloween/t98065.gif:yesyes:
Save them for the 2220 200th anniversary of Covid when they will be collectors items?
I think there's a danger of long Covid being over-diagnosed and a drain on the NHS. Like mental health issues.
Surely a diagnosis should be considered after more than just a month of post-viral symptoms?
Boris's digs at Starmer over the JS thing have now really opened another can of worms; there has been yet another resignation from the Tory party over it today.
On the plus side, dashboard numbers seem to be on the way back down again following the brief artificial surge earlier this week owing to the changes in the counting system on the dashboard site.
Pamplemousse
03-02-22, 19:17
Good news at work. Visors are off again as long as you're not dealing with a patient who has Covid.
Shame stores delivered us 200 instead of the 20 I requested. I may have to give them out as Christmas pressies next year.
We are still very much in the 2020 situation with no changes planned - 2m distancing, one in/one out toilets, compulsory masks or visors, ventilation and sanitising with minimal room occupancy. I'm happy with that. The area where I work has a very high case rate of around 1,900 cases per 100,000 population.
Pamplemousse
03-02-22, 19:19
I think there's a danger of long Covid being over-diagnosed and a drain on the NHS. Like mental health issues.
I think you might be right: perhaps there's a desire not to repeat the situation where ME was never properly diagnosed or taken seriously?
2 more resignations from Downing Street. I think the Starmer slur could very well prove more damaging to Boris than Partygate.
I think you might be right: perhaps there's a desire not to repeat the situation where ME was never properly diagnosed or taken seriously?
Yes but there's also potential for jumping on the long Covid bandwagon and belittling true suffering. Also clogging up the dedicated clinics and denying treatment to those most in need.
Had to look that one up. What an idiot sitting there maskless.
Thankfully Gullis isn't mine. He took over from Labour's Ruth Smeeth who was a popular MP who seemed to actually care from my GFs dealings with her over drug needle problems near her. Sadly lost due to Corbyn who did nothing to stop the abuse his mates were giving out to Jewish MPs. My GF couldn't vote Labour because of that but she didn't vote for Gullis either.
Whenever I see my MP he seems to be quiet. It's mob mentality in that place though, a good example of how not to behave at work where we mortals would get told off for it.A local MP in our area has his office directly opposite my dentist. Mr Peter Bone. I wonder if he knows Mr Fabricant?
Let's hope he doesn't gnaw him....
Pamplemousse
03-02-22, 21:01
2 more resignations from Downing Street. I think the Starmer slur could very well prove more damaging to Boris than Partygate.
It could, but it has also sown a seed in social media and print media that will see a drip-feed against Starmer for a long time to come.
It is of course worth reminding people that Savile was a regular guest of the Thatchers (who lobbied for his knighthood) and he was also given free rein of Broadmoor.
Savile had everyone fooled though, Starmer would just be joining and extremely long list. Prince Charles visited Savile at his Glencoe retreat. I've got fond memories of Glencoe as a child and to think that pervert was probably taking kids back to that very cottage.
2 more resignations from Downing Street. I think the Starmer slur could very well prove more damaging to Boris than Partygate.
It seems as if he's now shot himself in his other foot, and now likely reaching the point of no return. To me, this smacks of sheer desperation from him and many of his fellow cronies!
Perhaps this latest debacle will be dubbed 'Savilegate'?
The man's totally insane!
Business opportunity for Halloween if you paint them with blood splatters, big eyes and teeth? https://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/halloween/t98065.gif:yesyes:
You could be on to something! If I paint some of them black I could make a kind of suit of armour. Evil knight of the round table?
Save them for the 2220 200th anniversary of Covid when they will be collectors items?
I wonder if the plastic would start to break down after a while? I might have to hope for a Grace Jones giant shoulder pad revival to get shot of them.
We are still very much in the 2020 situation with no changes planned - 2m distancing, one in/one out toilets, compulsory masks or visors, ventilation and sanitising with minimal room occupancy. I'm happy with that. The area where I work has a very high case rate of around 1,900 cases per 100,000 population.
Yes we are still in masks except when eating/drinking, 2m distancing, windows periodically open, stated room occupancy, alcohol gel all over the place, enhanced cleaning regimes etc. Just incredibly happy that visors are gone.
Yes we are still in masks except when eating/drinking, 2m distancing, windows periodically open, stated room occupancy, alcohol gel all over the place, enhanced cleaning regimes etc. Just incredibly happy that visors are gone.
Pretty much the same at my day centre, though the 2m distancing rule there disappeared some time around last spring IIRC.
The group bubbles there ended around early July.
We are still very much in the 2020 situation with no changes planned - 2m distancing, one in/one out toilets, compulsory masks or visors, ventilation and sanitising with minimal room occupancy. I'm happy with that. The area where I work has a very high case rate of around 1,900 cases per 100,000 population.
Gosh, all those stringent 2020-style measures seem like ages ago now!
But if those measures still make you personally feel more comfortable and secure in your workplace, so be it on your behalf, PM, especially with your area of work still having sky-high case numbers.
MyNameIsTerry
04-02-22, 13:04
I wonder if the plastic would start to break down after a while? I might have to hope for a Grace Jones giant shoulder pad revival to get shot of them.
Even better, a Grace Jones slap someone revival so everyone needs the protection :yesyes:
MyNameIsTerry
04-02-22, 13:07
You could be on to something! If I paint some of them black I could make a kind of suit of armour. Evil knight of the round table?
Or Boba Fett. Very popular at the moment. https://yoursmiles.org/hsmile/starwars/h15023.gif
Darth Vader 'I am your father' reveals on maternity :roflmao:
Or Boba Fett. Very popular at the moment. https://yoursmiles.org/hsmile/starwars/h15023.gif
Darth Vader 'I am your father' reveals on maternity :roflmao:
🤣🤣
Well Covid has finally come to get me, as I did a LFT this afternoon and tested positive.
The onset was earlier this week, starting with feeling a bit chesty, then working its way up to my throat, then finally my head and nose, and feeling a bit feverish throughout. My parents have also felt the same, so it's inevitable they both have it too.
Am I scared witless? Absolutely not!
Of course Covid in its current iteration (Omicron BA.2) still affects different people in different ways, but I feel as though I already might be over the worst of it. In the meantime, I shall do the responsible thing and self-isolate for the next 5 days at least and just give other people outside of our household a wide berth.
So far (touch wood), not once have I felt like I'm on my death bed. In fact, I've actually felt far worse during past (pre-Covid) bouts of bad colds and flu.
Most ironically, I actually feel quite relieved at having tested positive today, and so does my dad, especially feeling mostly safe in the knowledge that we're far removed from death's door right now.
A year ago, or even 6 months ago, with both Alpha and Delta, we probably wouldn't have been quite so lucky.
Sorry to hear you've got it Lenco, but glad you're not doing too badly. I was quite relieved after I had it, I felt like a weight had been lifted off my shoulders.
Sorry to hear you've got it Lenco, but glad you're not doing too badly. I was quite relieved after I had it, I felt like a weight had been lifted off my shoulders.
Ditto for me, and thanks for your nice words.
Hope it’s quick and easy for you all Lenco.
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Best wishes to you and your family, Lenco. The anticipation of omicron 2 is probably a lot worse than the reality of it?
Hope you are over the worst of it by now.
Best wishes to you and your family, Lenco. The anticipation of omicron 2 is probably a lot worse than the reality of it?
Hope you are over the worst of it by now.
I reckon you're right Pulisa.
It's bound to be Omicron BA.2 that me and my parents currently have, and so far it's felt like nothing more than a bad cold.
In fact, I already feel as though I might be over the worst of my symptoms, but of course, will still self-isolate for the next 5 days.
Thanks for your well wishes, ditto for Scass, and also others in advance.
Get well soon Lenco, which by the sound of it will actually be very soon.
You'll all be pleased to know that I'm feeling stacks better today, despite still testing positive in yesterday's LFT.
That will very likely start to change over the next few days.
Good to hear Lenco. I hope your Mum & dad are doing ok too.
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MyNameIsTerry
14-02-22, 13:45
Glad to hear you are ok, Lenco. Has it been easier than last time you had it?
Quelle surprise! Boris isn't going to make his police questionnaire re covid rule breaking available for the public to scrutinise..
MyNameIsTerry
14-02-22, 13:59
So we get sent questionnaires to check if we've committed a crime? Not quite catching up with tech I guess should have an app with obligatory thumb print to log in faster next time. Track your crimes, see your footprint on Google Maps, get points and cashback. :whistles:
The worst questionnaires are the MH ones in my opinion.
As for the police ones...Score 20 and Go To Jail perhaps?
MyNameIsTerry
14-02-22, 15:42
The worst questionnaires are the MH ones in my opinion.
As for the police ones...Score 20 and Go To Jail perhaps?
That square is missing in the Westminster version of Monopoly.
The MH ones remind me of the pain measure: on a scale of 1-10 how much pain are you in. Pretty subjective. 10 for me would be pretty crippling but so would being deleted off or blocked by your mates thesedays...
Man flu = 10. World stops.
Woman flu = I'm too busy washing, ironing, making dinner and taking the kids to school and going to work to waste time picking a number!!!
:biggrin:
Glad to hear you are ok, Lenco. Has it been easier than last time you had it?
I'm not sure as to whether or not I've actually had Covid before already, but this time 2 years ago (mid-Feb 2020) I had quite bad flu-like symptoms and kind of suspected possible Covid at that time, as it was already being widely discussed in the news by then, but mostly concerning cases in other countries (e.g, Italy) as it still wasn't thought to have gained a significant foothold here in the UK at that stage, plus most GPs at the time were seemingly caught napping and didn't really seem that interested, though they had soon changed their minds by early March onwards, by which time I had fully recovered.
I still tested positive today, despite generally feeling OK right now, so perhaps traces of Covid linger in the body for a bit longer after symptoms peter out.
I actually felt a gazillion times worse with a bad flu virus back in Dec 2000-very early Jan 2001, which lasted over 3 weeks and really knocked me for six, including a total loss of hearing in my left ear for about 4 days.
I was only 23 years old at the time, but that has to be the absolute worst illness I have ever had during my near-45 years on this planet.
Of course, life was still mostly simpler and more carefree back in 2000 (and before) when and where there still generally seemed to be far less hysteria about things in general, unlike today where we seem to get ostracised and treated like lepers for simply being unwell (even pre-pandemic)!
Not sure I agree with your last sentence, Lenco? Apart from the compulsory hysteria with everything today. Have you got personal experience with being ostracised due to illness?
That square is missing in the Westminster version of Monopoly.
The MH ones remind me of the pain measure: on a scale of 1-10 how much pain are you in. Pretty subjective. 10 for me would be pretty crippling but so would being deleted off or blocked by your mates thesedays...
Man flu = 10. World stops.
Woman flu = I'm too busy washing, ironing, making dinner and taking the kids to school and going to work to waste time picking a number!!!
:biggrin:
I find quantifying MH abhorrent. How on earth can you rate MH? It's not a competition.
Not sure I agree with your last sentence, Lenco? Apart from the compulsory hysteria with everything today. Have you got personal experience with being ostracised due to illness?
I think I might have exaggerated a bit Pulisa. I haven't really been thinking straight today, especially as my mom, sadly, has really been on one all day.
No offence intended to anyone either.
I'm sorry your mum has been challenging, Lenco. I expect Covid will magnify difficult behaviours?
I've had a grim day too. Tomorrow will be better for us both
MyNameIsTerry
15-02-22, 07:07
I'm not sure as to whether or not I've actually had Covid before already, but this time 2 years ago (mid-Feb 2020) I had quite bad flu-like symptoms and kind of suspected possible Covid at that time, as it was already being widely discussed in the news by then, but mostly concerning cases in other countries (e.g, Italy) as it still wasn't thought to have gained a significant foothold here in the UK at that stage, plus most GPs at the time were seemingly caught napping and didn't really seem that interested, though they had soon changed their minds by early March onwards, by which time I had fully recovered.
I still tested positive today, despite generally feeling OK right now, so perhaps traces of Covid linger in the body for a bit longer after symptoms peter out.
I actually felt a gazillion times worse with a bad flu virus back in Dec 2000-very early Jan 2001, which lasted over 3 weeks and really knocked me for six, including a total loss of hearing in my left ear for about 4 days.
I was only 23 years old at the time, but that has to be the absolute worst illness I have ever had during my near-45 years on this planet.
Of course, life was still mostly simpler and more carefree back in 2000 (and before) when and where there still generally seemed to be far less hysteria about things in general, unlike today where we seem to get ostracised and treated like lepers for simply being unwell (even pre-pandemic)!
Sorry Lenco, I must have got you mixed up with someone else. I thought you had it last year near to Christmas. Maybe it was James? (Wired Incorrectly)
Pneumonia put me in hospital so I know what you mean. I was about 18 and healthy. It took 8 weeks to get back to college. But I'll take that now compared to sciatica which has started again a week ago. At least I could sleep it off unlike this.
Pulisa, hope things get better for you too :flowers:
Oh i'm so sorry to hear about the sciatica, Terry. That must be excruciating and absolutely miserable for you. Is it just a question of it gradually getting better or is there anything you can have treatment-wise?
Unfortunately, I feel as though I'm having a bit of a sudden relapse with Covid symptoms ATM.
Yesterday evening I started getting a bit sniffly again, but more allergy-like feelings as I had been sorting out some old T-shirts of mine not worn for donkeys years to be either binned or donated to the charity shop, and this morning I've woken up with a bit of a headache and also feeling a little throaty again.
I can't really understand what's going on right now, because I felt more or less back to normal again on Sunday and during most of yesterday (Monday).
I did, however still test positive when I did my LFT yesterday morning.
BTW, I still don't feel anywhere near death's door though, and perhaps this 'relapse' might be just a temporary blip.
Like I already said, my symptoms right now could be more allergy-fuelled, as opposed to an actual relapse of Covid.
It's very up and down with Covid Lenco. I had days where I felt completely fine and then the next I would feel rubbish again.
MyNameIsTerry
16-02-22, 08:22
Oh i'm so sorry to hear about the sciatica, Terry. That must be excruciating and absolutely miserable for you. Is it just a question of it gradually getting better or is there anything you can have treatment-wise?
Thanks pulisa. Yes, its not pleasant. Not quite as bad as last time. Not much I can do other than rest and wait. Standing, walking and sitting are very unpleasant and I can't do them for long. So the chores are piling up and dad is having to do some extra stuff. If it involves moving or sitting I'm pretty much buggered right now. The only relief is taking the weight off by lying down but even that is difficult so sleep is messed up. Having to lie on the floor for a bit of relief now & again but it's not much.
It will ease off a bit soon hopefully (had it a week) and I can start adding things back in. If not some things just have to be done. Must be really hard for people living alone because I can't imagine shopping and some daily basics like this.
It's very up and down with Covid Lenco. I had days where I felt completely fine and then the next I would feel rubbish again.
I feel quite a lot better again this morning, especially as I had a decent night's kip last night.
My brother told my dad over the phone yesterday that there's a few co-existent bugs going around ATM that are causing allergies in some people when my dad told him about my 'relapse'.
Whilst out walking the dog I've already noticed daffodils and other late winter-early spring flowers starting to grow over the past couple of days, which can of course be a mega airborne source of allergies, which nobody usually makes that big a deal over, but that generally seems to affect me pretty much this time every year anyway.
Of course, I can't help being very slightly wary of the ever-present possibility of long Covid, even though I doubt very much that I have fallen victim to that.
Thanks pulisa. Yes, its not pleasant. Not quite as bad as last time. Not much I can do other than rest and wait. Standing, walking and sitting are very unpleasant and I can't do them for long. So the chores are piling up and dad is having to do some extra stuff. If it involves moving or sitting I'm pretty much buggered right now. The only relief is taking the weight off by lying down but even that is difficult so sleep is messed up. Having to lie on the floor for a bit of relief now & again but it's not much.
It will ease off a bit soon hopefully (had it a week) and I can start adding things back in. If not some things just have to be done. Must be really hard for people living alone because I can't imagine shopping and some daily basics like this.
This sounds awful! Do you think your duloxetine has any nerve pain relieving effect? Doesn't sound like it though. I've never had sciatica thank goodness. I'm sure your dad will do as much as he can but I appreciate that you just aren't able to do your normal chores and mustn't even try before you are ready.
MyNameIsTerry
16-02-22, 12:00
I feel quite a lot better again this morning, especially as I had a decent night's kip last night.
My brother told my dad over the phone yesterday that there's a few co-existent bugs going around ATM that are causing allergies in some people when my dad told him about my 'relapse'.
Whilst out walking the dog I've already noticed daffodils and other late winter-early spring flowers starting to grow over the past couple of days, which can of course be a mega airborne source of allergies, which nobody usually makes that big a deal over, but that generally seems to affect me pretty much this time every year anyway.
Of course, I can't help being very slightly wary of the ever-present possibility of long Covid, even though I doubt very much that I have fallen victim to that.
Long Covid has been found to be less likely in vaccinated people per an article that popped up earlier.
The pollen season is much longer than what we think of. We tend to think grass pollen. My GF doesn't get that but is allergic to tree pollen which starts around February I think.
Many illnesses wax & wane. I wouldn't read into it. Wait to see if it's consistently worse.
MyNameIsTerry
16-02-22, 12:10
This sounds awful! Do you think your duloxetine has any nerve pain relieving effect? Doesn't sound like it though. I've never had sciatica thank goodness. I'm sure your dad will do as much as he can but I appreciate that you just aren't able to do your normal chores and mustn't even try before you are ready.
I'm not sure Duloxetine even gets off it's bum to help with anxiety :biggrin: It is used for some other things but not this to my knowledge. They do use small doses of Amitriptyline.
Yeah he is doing plenty but he's worn out as it is so I don't like putting onto him. He doesn't mind. Mum is also being understanding and not allowing it to worsen her anxiety over not seeing me as much right now if I need to lie down for a bit.
Paracetamol doesn't register. Since I have asthma I'm wary of ibuprofen (GP should authorise although they probably will) if I can avoid it. Once I can walk more it will help. Can't exactly follow that NHS advice when you can't stand up much. :doh:
You've given birth so you know more about pain than most of us blokes :roflmao:
I know that duloxetine can also be used for chronic nerve pain but my consultant said that the side effects weren't great so didn't push it!
I suppose nerve blocks are an option but unless you are shelling out for private treatment it's pretty hopeless on the NHS?
It's a question of lying it out then? You may joke about the pain but it must be really wearing. I hope it gets better very soon.
Long Covid has been found to be less likely in vaccinated people per an article that popped up earlier.
The pollen season is much longer than what we think of. We tend to think grass pollen. My GF doesn't get that but is allergic to tree pollen which starts around February I think.
Many illnesses wax & wane. I wouldn't read into it. Wait to see if it's consistently worse.
I did notice a link to that article on YouTube earlier today (ITN I think) and thought 'phew'!
It does also seem that both the govt and the media in general have suddenly stopped caring as much about all things Covid over the past couple of weeks and (for better or worse) have since become primarily focused on the situation in Ukraine instead.
Wouldn't it be funny if some politicians started calling for another 'national lockdown' in case of any terror-related incidents perpetrated by persons of Russian origin within our shores linked to the Ukraine situation?
Now that would be totally OTT, beyond the pale, and indeed ironic, especially as last week, our national terror threat level was lowered from severe to substantial.
N.B, Mostly said in jest.
Well I did another LFT late this afternoon and have now finally tested negative, plus I feel stacks better once again now.
One worry off my shoulder now.
Hurrah!
I'm on opioids for mine but even they only give temporary relief.
It's a case of get by as best you can unfortunately.
I feel for you in that climate as cold weather makes it worse for me.
Do you get much relief in summer?
I'm not sure Duloxetine even gets off it's bum to help with anxiety :biggrin: It is used for some other things but not this to my knowledge. They do use small doses of Amitriptyline.
Yeah he is doing plenty but he's worn out as it is so I don't like putting onto him. He doesn't mind. Mum is also being understanding and not allowing it to worsen her anxiety over not seeing me as much right now if I need to lie down for a bit.
Paracetamol doesn't register. Since I have asthma I'm wary of ibuprofen (GP should authorise although they probably will) if I can avoid it. Once I can walk more it will help. Can't exactly follow that NHS advice when you can't stand up much. :doh:
You've given birth so you know more about pain than most of us blokes :roflmao:
The Covid numbers seem to be going down nicely now, even the ZOE and ONS numbers, both of which up until around last week, still seemed to be on an upward trajectory, are finally starting to come down again.
Ditto for deaths.
Perhaps we might now finally be past this latest peak after all.
The Covid numbers seem to be going down nicely now, even the ZOE and ONS numbers, both of which up until around last week, still seemed to be on an upward trajectory, are finally starting to come down again.
Ditto for deaths.
Perhaps we might now finally be past this latest peak after all.
Encouraging for sure and I'm sure you'll keep us updated.
FMP
MyNameIsTerry
18-02-22, 14:44
I'm on opioids for mine but even they only give temporary relief.
It's a case of get by as best you can unfortunately.
I feel for you in that climate as cold weather makes it worse for me.
Do you get much relief in summer?
Yeah didn't they put you on enough to mellow out an elephant when yours went into spasm? I don't envy you that experience mate. I've had neck spasms and they were very unpleasant.
My first bad case of this was last year and in warmer weather. Winter has been pretty mild so far and this is often the coldest month then it's all rain going into spring. My back isn't quite as bad as last time and the last two days it's improving whereas last time it took much longer. But the cold definitely bothers people with conditions like arthritis.
MyNameIsTerry
18-02-22, 14:53
I know that duloxetine can also be used for chronic nerve pain but my consultant said that the side effects weren't great so didn't push it!
I suppose nerve blocks are an option but unless you are shelling out for private treatment it's pretty hopeless on the NHS?
It's a question of lying it out then? You may joke about the pain but it must be really wearing. I hope it gets better very soon.
Yes, every day is a drag. I was counting down the minutes until bed time. With mum being how she is I don't want to upset her, she likes to see me, and I want dad to have his breaks down his local. Mum started doing the washing up before I go to bed, the time I usually do it to save dad a job the next day so he only has the drying, and I suspect this was more about me than her. She did all the drying to save dad a job the next day too. It was nice to see her do this, the old mum would have been busying herself no matter what as she has all her life.
It might be a dose specific thing with Duloxetine? I'm only on the standard 60mg. I knew they used it for diabetic related digital neuropathy and some urinary conditions but not pain conditions too. Off labelling I guess. Some people don't get the side effects but I found them far worse than anxiety itself so I can appreciate your doctor, and you, being wary.
My brother was put on a small dose of Amitriptyline for his and had no problems. His GF too I think.
It has been improving the last 2 days. I've noticed it's easier in bed and my stamina for sitting and walking about is improving. It was still painful the first night after these but last night I lasted longer without as much pain setting in. :yesyes::yahoo:
I sometimes think you just get used to the pain and tolerate it better but good news anyway! In the early days I tried amitryptiline and imipramine which did nothing other than space me out and certainly didn't fancy gabapentin which was suggested but not pushed by the consultant as he knew I needed to keep "sharp".
I,m only on 20mg.
Sposed to take 2 daily but I only take 1 in the morning and substitute Jack Daniels in the afternoon.
My brother was on 80mg/day and he used to chew them to get instant relief instead of slow release.
He did it for years and got away with it but he's paying for it now and is a very sick and sorry boy.
He's 56 year old and also suffers depression as well.
Yeah didn't they put you on enough to mellow out an elephant when yours went into spasm? I don't envy you that experience mate. I've had neck spasms and they were very unpleasant.
My first bad case of this was last year and in warmer weather. Winter has been pretty mild so far and this is often the coldest month then it's all rain going into spring. My back isn't quite as bad as last time and the last two days it's improving whereas last time it took much longer. But the cold definitely bothers people with conditions like arthritis.
Yes, every day is a drag. I was counting down the minutes until bed time. With mum being how she is I don't want to upset her, she likes to see me, and I want dad to have his breaks down his local. Mum started doing the washing up before I go to bed, the time I usually do it to save dad a job the next day so he only has the drying, and I suspect this was more about me than her. She did all the drying to save dad a job the next day too. It was nice to see her do this, the old mum would have been busying herself no matter what as she has all her life.
It might be a dose specific thing with Duloxetine? I'm only on the standard 60mg. I knew they used it for diabetic related digital neuropathy and some urinary conditions but not pain conditions too. Off labelling I guess. Some people don't get the side effects but I found them far worse than anxiety itself so I can appreciate your doctor, and you, being wary.
My brother was put on a small dose of Amitriptyline for his and had no problems. His GF too I think.
It has been improving the last 2 days. I've noticed it's easier in bed and my stamina for sitting and walking about is improving. It was still painful the first night after these but last night I lasted longer without as much pain setting in. :yesyes::yahoo:
Hi Terry,just sending you some hugs as you do for me,get better soon.:bighug1:
Pamplemousse
19-02-22, 16:54
Looking earlier at worldometers.info for another post I spotted something rather tragic: America would appear to be about three weeks' away from recording its millionth death from Covid. Another 2,000 died yesterday.
Both Wales and Scotland have now completely ceased publishing their Covid dashboard stats at weekends (Saturdays and Sundays), which will inevitably mean artificial big rises in UK-wide numbers between Mondays and Wednesdays, even though the underlying trend in all 4 UK nations is still down.
Personally, as I've been thinking for a while now, perhaps the dashboard site might be better off publishing their stats (for all 4 nations both individually and overall) on a weekly rather than a daily basis in due course.
Pamplemousse
20-02-22, 17:07
So, Johnson wants us to "take personal responsibility" where Covid is concerned.
Bit rich coming from a snivelling, privileged prick who has never taken responsibility for anything in his life - how many kids has he got? Dumped his previous wife whilst recovering from cancer?
If I could go back in time I'd take a pair of rusty garden shears to the wedding tackle of that wife-beating father of his and spare us all that travesty of a 'family'.
My OH had just tested positive, he’s had a sore throat for a couple of days & been quite hoarse. I made him test yesterday and it was negative, but today he is positive. He’s ok, he has a sore throat and is coughing a bit.
I have been hoarse all week & had a bit of a weird throat which is now a slight cough but I’ve tested every day and I’m negative.
Not sure whether I should sleep on the sofa for a few days, we live in a 2 bed flat so I can’t really get away from him!
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Just seen that the Queen has tested positive.
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Pamplemousse
20-02-22, 18:04
Just seen that the Queen has tested positive.
Yes, the news broke about midday, whilst I was waiting for the weather on the telly.
My OH had just tested positive, he’s had a sore throat for a couple of days & been quite hoarse. I made him test yesterday and it was negative, but today he is positive. He’s ok, he has a sore throat and is coughing a bit.
I have been hoarse all week & had a bit of a weird throat which is now a slight cough but I’ve tested every day and I’m negative.
Not sure whether I should sleep on the sofa for a few days, we live in a 2 bed flat so I can’t really get away from him!
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To be honest, Scass, these LFT tests are pretty hit and miss. I would treat these symptoms of yours as being positive for covid and I bet a PCR would prove this (if they still existed!). It would be very hard to avoid him anyway so to go without sleeping on a comfy bed would make tings worse for you xx
Yes, the news broke about midday, whilst I was waiting for the weather on the telly.
Sky News were salivating...No mention of the Ukraine situation....
So, Johnson wants us to "take personal responsibility" where Covid is concerned.
Bit rich coming from a snivelling, privileged prick who has never taken responsibility for anything in his life - how many kids has he got? Dumped his previous wife whilst recovering from cancer?
If I could go back in time I'd take a pair of rusty garden shears to the wedding tackle of that wife-beating father of his and spare us all that travesty of a 'family'.
Yeah, that loser seems to be the most arrogant and vain PM ever to reside in Number 10, as he almost always seems to be posing in hard hats and hi-viz jackets, and PPE in hospitals, etc, when on the news.
I don't ever recall any of his predecessors in Number 10 (Tory or Labour) showing their faces in such situations and with such blatant vanity.
Boris is hardly the most photogenic man either.
To be honest, Scass, these LFT tests are pretty hit and miss. I would treat these symptoms of yours as being positive for covid and I bet a PCR would prove this (if they still existed!). It would be very hard to avoid him anyway so to go without sleeping on a comfy bed would make tings worse for you xx
Also I tripped in the week & pulled a muscle in my arm, so I’m not sleeping well anyway. Xx
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Pamplemousse
20-02-22, 19:01
Sky News were salivating...No mention of the Ukraine situation....
Don Henley's Dirty Laundry applies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHimia_Fxzs
Also I tripped in the week & pulled a muscle in my arm, so I’m not sleeping well anyway. Xx
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That sounds really painful and all the more reason not to give up that comfy bed xx
While I generally see both sides of the argument concerning the final lifting of pandemic-related restrictions in this country from today, I do now tend to lean more towards the idea that we have to bite the bullet at some point and can't really stay restricted forever more.
Let's face it, most of the restrictions had already been lifted anyway prior to today, and the underlying trend for daily Covid cases has been down for the past few weeks or so, and most certainly attendant deaths and hospitalisations.
But still of course, only time will tell.
Pamplemousse
21-02-22, 12:56
My concern is the withdrawal of free testing. Perhaps the NHS staff who are convinced "the science is wrong" over Covid can donate their FREE entitlement to those who are vulnerable/extremely vulnerable?!
I do wonder if my having a medical exemption from prescription charges will still allow me to get them free. Maybe I should stock up.
I wonder if Swine Flu still actually exists but has perhaps in itself become endemic and inadvertently less lethal since 2010?
MyNameIsTerry
21-02-22, 15:56
My concern is the withdrawal of free testing. Perhaps the NHS staff who are convinced "the science is wrong" over Covid can donate their FREE entitlement to those who are vulnerable/extremely vulnerable?!
I do wonder if my having a medical exemption from prescription charges will still allow me to get them free. Maybe I should stock up.
The extremely vulnerable have already been sent a PCR with instructions on accessing early treatments. I assume they will replenish those.
If the NHS staff get them through work it will be on our dollar anyway.
spectrum123
21-02-22, 16:56
My concern is the withdrawal of free testing. Perhaps the NHS staff who are convinced "the science is wrong" over Covid can donate their FREE entitlement to those who are vulnerable/extremely vulnerable?!
I do wonder if my having a medical exemption from prescription charges will still allow me to get them free. Maybe I should stock up.
Think you're about to find out if the NHS think you're vulnerable or very vulnerable!
I think you should stock up, PM..especially if you haven't already received that PCR test and advice re accessing anti virals. I imagine the criteria is pretty high for falling into this bracket.
Pamplemousse
21-02-22, 18:34
I think you should stock up, PM..especially if you haven't already received that PCR test and advice re accessing anti virals. I imagine the criteria is pretty high for falling into this bracket.
I've received neither P., so I shall heed your sage advice, pop into the chemists and get another two (maybe four) packs. Those should last me a while if I use them only prior to visiting elderly/vulnerable relatives and friends.
I work with a couple of clinically extremely vulnerable colleagues; it'll be interesting to learn what they've received.
Pamplemousse
21-02-22, 18:39
Think you're about to find out if the NHS think you're vulnerable or very vulnerable!
I have the feeling they think it's the former - although when this all first hit the fan back in 2020 I did receive a text message telling me to wear masks in confined spaces long before that instruction was issued to the general public.
I have, at the last count, four co-morbidities if you count the ongoing punch-up with anxiety, depression and the like - do I still have a target painted on my back?
You are triple vaccinated so in my opinion, no. A relative of mine has lymphoma and has just got over omicron. I don't think it's helpful to think of yourself as being a "target". You've yet to pick it up which is pretty impressive after 2 years+
Pamplemousse
21-02-22, 20:07
You are triple vaccinated so in my opinion, no. A relative of mine has lymphoma and has just got over omicron. I don't think it's helpful to think of yourself as being a "target". You've yet to pick it up which is pretty impressive after 2 years+
I'm pleased to hear your relative has recovered from Omicron :)
In my case, being an anti-social old bugger helps, P ;)
Work is very hot on protective measures - I expect there will be no change to the regime in place at work for now at least. We still wear masks at all times, ventilate areas thoroughly and keep distance - in fact my supervisor warned a couple of people to keep clear of me the other day because they wanted to watch what I was doing. Don't also forget that for a total of six months when the pandemic was at its worst I isolated myself completely from others and even declined to go to work. I've almost recovered financially now.
It's good that you feel reassured about your working conditions and that your supervisor is looking out for you. I doubt whether things will change that much either. Who is going to listen to Boris anyway? He's been living normally with covid for the past 2 years and it's obvious that Whitty and Vallance are far more realistic with their predictions which are restyled as "guidance".
Pamplemousse
21-02-22, 21:07
It's good that you feel reassured about your working conditions and that your supervisor is looking out for you. I doubt whether things will change that much either. Who is going to listen to Boris anyway? He's been living normally with covid for the past 2 years and it's obvious that Whitty and Vallance are far more realistic with their predictions which are restyled as "guidance".
It's certainly noticeable when I go into shops now that I am very much in the minority where mask-wearing is concerned. The catastrophist in me can't help but feel we are about to unleash something that'll turn all this optimism on its head by the winter - and God help us if next winter is another warm one like this one.
MyNameIsTerry
22-02-22, 01:19
It's certainly noticeable when I go into shops now that I am very much in the minority where mask-wearing is concerned. The catastrophist in me can't help but feel we are about to unleash something that'll turn all this optimism on its head by the winter - and God help us if next winter is another warm one like this one.
I saw something on my news feed earlier from Bell but I can't seem to find anything. He was talking about how removal of isolation wouldn't result in a big wave. This seems to be the opposite of the concerns of some so I would be interesting in understanding his opinion and what it's based on
Did anyone see anything?
MyNameIsTerry
22-02-22, 06:27
I think you should stock up, PM..especially if you haven't already received that PCR test and advice re accessing anti virals. I imagine the criteria is pretty high for falling into this bracket.
Yes, it is as approved by all CMOs. Here is the list:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/treatments-for-coronavirus/
The letter mentions having or had at least one condition identified. It seems to revolve around immune response and likeliness of serious illness. Not a list I would want to be on.
My mum received her letter dated 14/12/2021. For her it will COPD (infection risk, pneumonia) and her skin condition (auto immune so on steroids).
I would have thought fishman's wife would have had this letter but when I mentioned it he had received nothing.
MyNameIsTerry
22-02-22, 06:33
Hi Terry,just sending you some hugs as you do for me,get better soon.:bighug1:
Cheers Lola. Much appreciated mate :hugs::flowers: I notice no ones offered me a massage for my poor back (Phill will probably offer a shiatsu in his Dockers :ohmy:) :whistles:
MyNameIsTerry
22-02-22, 06:38
I,m only on 20mg.
Sposed to take 2 daily but I only take 1 in the morning and substitute Jack Daniels in the afternoon.
My brother was on 80mg/day and he used to chew them to get instant relief instead of slow release.
He did it for years and got away with it but he's paying for it now and is a very sick and sorry boy.
He's 56 year old and also suffers depression as well.
I must be thinking of that diazepam dose for your back?
Well if you've ever over here in a bar you will be disappointed by a "JD and coke" :biggrin:
Sorry to hear about your brother mate. It's awful being dependent on those drugs. Coming off is supposed to be terrible. Years ago doctors over here dished them out like sweeties. I dread to think how many people went from something milder to crushing courtesy of their docs. A friend of my mum's had that experience when they decided to pull people off them suddenly after many years. :doh:
Pamplemousse
22-02-22, 08:10
I saw something on my news feed earlier from Bell but I can't seem to find anything. He was talking about how removal of isolation wouldn't result in a big wave. This seems to be the opposite of the concerns of some so I would be interesting in understanding his opinion and what it's based on
Did anyone see anything?
I found this?
Sir John Bell, regius professor of medicine at Oxford University and the government’s life sciences adviser, has been speaking about Boris Johnson’s “living with Covid” plans on Radio 4’s The World at One.
He said:
"I think we’re in a position now where mandatory legally enforced quarantine for people who are positive is probably not necessary, given the disease we currently have is relatively benign.
The only people are really suffering badly from this disease are the unvaccinated ... I suspect we could keep going [with restrictions] if we wanted to, but it’s not at all clear to me that we’re going to have a serious problem in short/medium term.
At some point we have to decide we have to step back from this and just get on with life."
He also talked about the end of free testing and said:
" I think sliding back to a purely commercial model of testing is going to be problematic ... nevertheless we are doing a lot more testing than we need to do."
I still think the timing of this has much more to do with saving that miserable waste of DNA's skin we have as a Prime Minister than any 'science'. I bet he's delighted that Putin has provided him with the biggest distraction imaginable.
I bet he was furious that HRH tested positive the day before he wanted to have done with Covid with his "Big Plan". Heaven forbid that she goes downhill..
Pamplemousse
22-02-22, 11:29
I bet he was furious that HRH tested positive the day before he wanted to have done with Covid with his "Big Plan". Heaven forbid that she goes downhill..
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She's not HRH, she's HM ;)
</pedant>
I doubt she will, she'll have the best possible care at Windsor. Otherwise it's King George VII* time...
*I understand Charles has chosen his regnal name to be George.
Sorry, PM...Must Do Better!:D
George VII eh? Not Chas III? So long as it's not King Andrew....
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She's not HRH, she's HM ;)
</pedant>
I doubt she will, she'll have the best possible care at Windsor. Otherwise it's King George VII* time...
*I understand Charles has chosen his regnal name to be George.
HM's online zoom calls have been cancelled this week due to "mild" covid symptoms.....The Platinum Jubilee celebration organisers must be nervous...
Pamplemousse
22-02-22, 22:08
I'll bet they are, P.
In other news, from next month Boots will sell a pack of five lateral flow tests for £12.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60486323
I shall nip and stock up tomorrow after I've been to the local DIY emporium - although what's the likelihood of them having fence panels?
I also note that Covid stats will no longer be published at the weekend in England from this week.
MyNameIsTerry
23-02-22, 06:49
B&M sell LFTs but more like £5 for a one pack.
I suppose that's one positive from stopping testing in that suddenly demand pushes prices down. If Boots are doing it for a reasonable price the cheaper shops will start undercutting them.
I may have to get some and my brother will before coming here. Even though I lift with someone on the at risk list you don't get anything from the NHS. I didn't qualify for earlier vaccination so would have had to argue that one out with a GP.
Pamplemousse
23-02-22, 13:24
A good piece in the Guardian about the ending of Covid restrictions and testing, and what it means for many of us.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/23/if-youre-shielding-in-england-johnsons-new-normal-is-a-kick-in-the-teeth
MyNameIsTerry
23-02-22, 17:04
I'll bet they are, P.
In other news, from next month Boots will sell a pack of five lateral flow tests for £12.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60486323
I shall nip and stock up tomorrow after I've been to the local DIY emporium - although what's the likelihood of them having fence panels?
I also note that Covid stats will no longer be published at the weekend in England from this week.
Just seen another report elsewhere stating they are selling them in 1, 2 or 4 pack varieties too. Single less than £3 and quads less than £10 once LFTs are scrapped. Until then singles are over £5 so similiar in price to B&M.
Get ready for the Ebay explosion...
Buy celeb used/preloved ones on ebay? Another outlet for poor old bankrupt Katie Price?
Pamplemousse
23-02-22, 19:28
Just seen another report elsewhere stating they are selling them in 1, 2 or 4 pack varieties too. Single less than £3 and quads less than £10 once LFTs are scrapped. Until then singles are over £5 so similiar in price to B&M.
Get ready for the Ebay explosion...
You can absolutely guarantee people will be hitting the chemists now getting the free ones to sell on. :mad:
Over here in Aus there is a lot of price gouging,some chemists and grocery stores are charging $20 for 1 pack and $50 for 2 pack.Pensioners get a pack of 5 free but only at Chemist stores.
Our International boarders are now open and we now don’t have to check in everywhere,mask wearing is stopping as of next week in some states but I will still wear my face shield with thousands of people coming into the country I will keep wearing it.
We got our first lot of freebies last week.
Did you get yours?
I'm sticking with masks too.
We're currently isolating cause our grand daughter caught it.
She tested negative until the fifth day.
I'm pretty sure we've got it.
Done one test and got a negative so we'll wait a few days and do another.
I hope you both stay well, Phill..You are doing the right thing by isolating though. Hope your granddaughter is soon on the mend..
We got our first lot of freebies last week.
Did you get yours?
I'm sticking with masks too.
We're currently isolating cause our grand daughter caught it.
She tested negative until the fifth day.
I'm pretty sure we've got it.
Done one test and got a negative so we'll wait a few days and do another.
No I didn’t get freebies Phill I paid $15 for a 2 pac 2 mths ago and haven’t used them yet.I am still recovering from the virus. I do hope you both test negative and your granddaughter is going ok.
I know about isolation!being stuck in Sydney for months on end nearly sent me over the gap.
The UK's Covid stats are still on a nice downward trend (from all counts).
Dr JC said in one of his videos the other day that daily case numbers don't really mean much anymore, but the deaths and hospitalisations are still very much a more reliable indicator of current trends, all of which are still down week-on-week.
On the dashboard site, which in turn is now starting to become a pale shadow of its former self IMO, the 'Patients on mechanical ventilator beds' stats are now at their lowest levels since late June last year, when Delta was really starting to take over from Alpha.
Mind you, the news headlines are now (understandably) being hogged by the Ukraine conflict, and Covid has now slipped down the pecking order of the news headlines, in stark contrast to even a month ago when it was still mostly hogging the top slot.
How will you cope when covid stats cease to be published after the weekend, lenco?
Pamplemousse
25-02-22, 18:26
How will you cope when covid stats cease to be published after the weekend, lenco?
I thought it was only the weekend stats that were ceasing publication?
From the week of 21 February 2022, the UK Health Security Agency will stop publishing dashboard updates at weekends.
The dashboard will be updated as usual from Monday to Friday. Daily cases and deaths by report date published on Mondays will include figures from the weekend. These will not be separated out to show daily figures for Saturday and Sunday.
How will you cope when covid stats cease to be published after the weekend, lenco?
TBH, from a personal perspective, I'm now generally less concerned about the Covid stats, partly because I've not long had the virus myself, which felt like nothing more than an ordinary cold to me, and have felt far worse with past flu viruses, long before this pandemic.
Of course there are still other people far less fortunate than myself who are still being affected far, far worse than I was a fortnight ago (no gloating intended), and I still feel for them and their loved ones.
Also of course, it's still possible a more lethal new variant could arise in due course, but that's a hypothetical worst case scenario right now, and will worry about it if and when it happens (heaven forbid).
No point in worrying about it in the meantime though, as it's not a 'here-and-now' problem, and only hypothetical right now.
Pamplemousse
26-02-22, 00:39
Had an email from one of my workplaces today - no change to existing rules for at least a month so the 2m rule and masks remain compulsory. I'm happy with that.
MyNameIsTerry
26-02-22, 07:25
Had an email from one of my workplaces today - no change to existing rules for at least a month so the 2m rule and masks remain compulsory. I'm happy with that.
That's good to hear. We can but hope companies take this responsibly and provide the governance that shoukd be coming from on high.
MyNameIsTerry
26-02-22, 07:30
You can absolutely guarantee people will be hitting the chemists now getting the free ones to sell on. :mad:
Yep. It's a pity there isn't a system in place to prevent it but the NHS don't do themselves any favours either when it comes to waste. We've been trying to stop them over prescribing for ages and have largely given up. Most we found wont accept things back so they can't re use or safely dispose of them and in the bin they are going. It's taken a while to find a district nurse willing to take all the excess bandages back. My GFs dad even drove to their offices to be told no before binning them. All brand new.
It would be good if they impose some restrictions on LFT reselling or at least on pricing.
MyNameIsTerry
26-02-22, 07:38
I found this?
I still think the timing of this has much more to do with saving that miserable waste of DNA's skin we have as a Prime Minister than any 'science'. I bet he's delighted that Putin has provided him with the biggest distraction imaginable.
Thanks for that, PM. It is what I briefly saw before.
It's interesting how some experts are saying this when others are saying the opposite. I notice early protestations by some devolved parties have faded and they are doing similiar. So there must be some science behind it?
It's got to happen at some point but I still have concerns over protecting my mum. I think some are overplaying it since the immunosuppressed always face challenges but I guess it being so hard to spot adds a different dimension for them? Someone with a cold or flu sticks out. A few weeks back I was being served in a shop by a sneezing cold sufferer. Another week an old woman in the queue was telling me she just got over the flu. If my mum gets a cold she can end up in hospital with pneumonia. Extra vigilance will be important but there is only so much you do when others may not be so careful.
It must be really tough for you, Terry. Every trip you make has potential hazards but you still have to go out and carry on as best you can. I'm amazed that none of us has had it (knowingly). My son would on the face of it be hit badly as he has heart and kidney and BP issues and his stomach repositioned in his chest which makes any cough vomit-inducing! He works in retail too.
Pamplemousse
26-02-22, 13:06
That's good to hear. We can but hope companies take this responsibly and provide the governance that shoukd be coming from on high.
The restrictions have caused workflow difficulties there over the last two years but the result has been next to no infections transmitted in the workplace - what few infections there have been amongst their staff have come from outside.
I must admit I feel very... undressed (and vulnerable) without a mask on now.
MyNameIsTerry
27-02-22, 09:45
It must be really tough for you, Terry. Every trip you make has potential hazards but you still have to go out and carry on as best you can. I'm amazed that none of us has had it (knowingly). My son would on the face of it be hit badly as he has heart and kidney and BP issues and his stomach repositioned in his chest which makes any cough vomit-inducing! He works in retail too.
I confess to being concerned about removing restrictions with my brother working in a large warehouse and going to football matches. Even with restrictions it was a concern and he does a LFT before coming.
Now my GF is starting work at a new place she has to travel more and it's another thing to consider. She has just had Covid in January and is triple jabbed. Her dad's GF being a conspiracy nut meant contact was conducted with caution. She understands as she isn't happy with his GF over her views.
I guess we just have to be vigilant. It's tricky with mum since her conditions have symptom overlaps with Covid.
But it's the same for you too. You've got the worries over your son and also the impact to your daughters mental health if it got in. She would be very distressed wouldn't she?
The last couple of years must have been very tricky as your son got back to work? He needs his life to help his confidence after his recent struggles but retail means so much contact you must have been very worried he could get it off ignorant customers or work colleagues.
Yes it continues to be a challenging situation for us. Having a job is absolutely critical to my son's mental wellbeing and yet my daughter is terrified of him bringing covid home. He needs to work as we can't go through the alternative again so I'll take the risk of omicron every time for him.
I know how you feel Terry. My mother is in her 9Os and we have kept her safe throughout this pandemic. It’s quite scary to see masks ripped off enmass and all restrictions being done away with. But it’s got to happen at some point I suppose, we can’t keep resorting to public panic every few months.
We just have to be vigilant with our vulnerable family members. I had a cold all week, it’s gone now but I did do a Covid test just in case before I saw her yesterday.
Although we’ve kept her free from covid, lockdown did a tremendous amount of damage to her mobility. She really struggles now and yet she was fine before.
Pamplemousse
27-02-22, 17:08
My sister-in-law and her husband currently have Covid. I understand the husband had a very bad cough, enough to warrant calling a doctor in.
He's diabetic.
Don't let anyone kid you that Omicron's "only like a cold". I believe he's getting better, but all the same...
I heard on the radio that John Toshack (very famous ex footballer) is in hospital with covid. No news re the Queen either. Don't remember her sending a personal message to the people of Ukraine which is unusual?
I'm sure that omicron is just like a cold for some but for others it's a different matter of course. It must be so very hard to continue to live your life but to do so knowing that you can't let your guard down for fear of contracting covid and spreading it to loved ones.
Pamplemousse
27-02-22, 18:52
No news re the Queen either. Don't remember her sending a personal message to the people of Ukraine which is unusual?
I think this could be one of those occasions where the monarch has to remain neutral.
The wife and I did our shopping as we always do on Sundays and we both noticed how the vast majority of people in our area are not taking the precautions of mask wearing. While I really get how tiring this has become, it appears to have taken a back seat to all the other situations in the world. While I do think we're coming out of the darkness of the last two years, I plan on playing it safe for a while longer. And if we need an additional booster, so be it.
FMP.
My thoughts too FMP.:yesyes:
A mask isn't a hard thing.
Pamplemousse
28-02-22, 13:37
I had a look at the gov.uk dashboard a few minutes ago and as a result of the change in reporting, only 7-day figures were given. I wonder if this will change at 4pm?
I think daily reporting has finished now?
I think daily reporting has finished now?
I don't think most people really care anymore TBH.
After all (for better or worse), the media have now shifted to putting the fear of God into us over the antics of Putin and Co!
MyNameIsTerry
01-03-22, 06:54
It's going to be a mess the way they are doing it. I expected that whilst they would report on weekdays they would still be receiving weekend data to display individually. Nope. So, it's going to mess the trends up for sons time.
The BBC webpage often said it had been updated yet the numbers hadn't moved.
It's going to be a mess the way they are doing it. I expected that whilst they would report on weekdays they would still be receiving weekend data to display individually. Nope. So, it's going to mess the trends up for sons time.
The BBC webpage often said it had been updated yet the numbers hadn't moved.
All seems a bit hodge-podge ATM IMO.
Personally I think it's about time the dashboard site just started publishing case numbers on a weekly rather than a 5-day basis (either on Mondays or Fridays), which would probably be more representative, given the various day-to-day fluctuations in numbers, whether caused by reporting/counting issues, testing issues or genuine fluctuations in infection numbers, which can complicate things.
I've noticed on the dashboard site that since they ceased publishing data on Saturdays and Sundays (for all 4 UK nations), the headline case numbers have only covered the 7-day average, and you have to look at the 'Cases by date reported' and 'Cases by specimen date' sub-sections for more specific day-to-day case numbers, both UK-wide and nation-specific.
I've noticed over the past week or two, obviously owing to the Ukraine conflict, that the BBC News channel have barely covered Covid at all, and have barely even mentioned the daily case numbers in the scrolling ticker text at the bottom of the screen, even during evenings, when it was previously otherwise a key headline article.
Now, for better or worse, Covid in general suddenly seems far less newsworthy, even though it still remains a far more immediate physical threat to us here in the UK than anything connected with the Ukraine conflict right now.
I doubt whether too many Ukrainians are worried about Covid at the moment or potential variants arising from the war.
All seems a bit hodge-podge ATM IMO.
Personally I think it's about time the dashboard site just started publishing case numbers on a weekly rather than a 5-day basis (either on Mondays or Fridays), which would probably be more representative, given the various day-to-day fluctuations in numbers, whether caused by reporting/counting issues, testing issues or genuine fluctuations in infection numbers, which can complicate things.
I've noticed on the dashboard site that since they ceased publishing data on Saturdays and Sundays (for all 4 UK nations), the headline case numbers have only covered the 7-day average, and you have to look at the 'Cases by date reported' and 'Cases by specimen date' sub-sections for more specific day-to-day case numbers, both UK-wide and nation-specific.
I've noticed over the past week or two, obviously owing to the Ukraine conflict, that the BBC News channel have barely covered Covid at all, and have barely even mentioned the daily case numbers in the scrolling ticker text at the bottom of the screen, even during evenings, when it was previously otherwise a key headline article.
Now, for better or worse, Covid in general suddenly seems far less newsworthy, even though it still remains a far more immediate physical threat to us here in the UK than anything connected with the Ukraine conflict right now.
I've noticed that even Tim Spector and Co have seemingly piped down over Covid in general over the past week or two.
glassgirlw
04-03-22, 09:57
Wouldn't it be most ironic if Ukraine and inadvertently the Russian Federation became hotbeds for Omicron BA.2 over the coming days/weeks?
This is partly said in jest and I don't intend to be insensitive nor cause offence to anyone BTW.
putting “no offense” at the end of all your comments shouldn’t give you leave to say whatever you like before it, Lenco.
Im going to pray this doesn’t happen to the people of Ukraine. They’re dealing with enough right now.
Pamplemousse
04-03-22, 10:46
putting “no offense” at the end of all your comments shouldn’t give you leave to say whatever you like before it, Lenco.
Agreed. Better not to say it at all.
Thirded. Lenco, maybe be a little more thoughtful about what you post? I know we all slip up, but a good rule of thumb to go by is:
1) Is it necessary?
2) Is it helpful?
3) Is it kind?
Thirded. Lenco, maybe be a little more thoughtful about what you post? I know we all slip up, but a good rule of thumb to go by is:
1) Is it necessary?
2) Is it helpful?
3) Is it kind?
Comment now deleted.
I'm obviously not right in the head myself ATM.
Comment now deleted.
I'm obviously not right in the head myself ATM.
Nobody's saying that, Lenco.
glassgirlw
04-03-22, 14:46
I didn’t mean that at all, Lenco. I just meant that if you need to put no offense at the end of a post, maybe review it first and see what it is about it that could be considered offensive. There might be a better way to phrase something.
I didn’t mean that at all, Lenco. I just meant that if you need to put no offense at the end of a post, maybe review it first and see what it is about it that could be considered offensive. There might be a better way to phrase something.
Hence the age-old expression 'if in doubt, leave it out', which I should have considered.
Nobody's saying that, Lenco.
I haven't been thinking 100% rationally myself at times over the past week or so, especially due to the constant stresses concerning my mom's dementia.
But I acknowledge it's still no excuse for inappropriate posts from myself though, and I seriously apologise to anyone whom I might have offended on here earlier today.
MyNameIsTerry
04-03-22, 16:32
Covid can at least be screened for. There is no doubt it will increase under the pressure of more people coming together but then so are so many illnesses that will increase under disaster conditions. They can prevent a knock on effect across Europe by testing refugees before they move on
Hey glassgirlw my GF has a cat also called Loki!
MyNameIsTerry
04-03-22, 16:35
I know how you feel Terry. My mother is in her 9Os and we have kept her safe throughout this pandemic. It’s quite scary to see masks ripped off enmass and all restrictions being done away with. But it’s got to happen at some point I suppose, we can’t keep resorting to public panic every few months.
We just have to be vigilant with our vulnerable family members. I had a cold all week, it’s gone now but I did do a Covid test just in case before I saw her yesterday.
Although we’ve kept her free from covid, lockdown did a tremendous amount of damage to her mobility. She really struggles now and yet she was fine before.
You're doing the right thing to protect her, Darksky.
Another concern I have is workers coming in. With no regulation it's down to firms to decide. We don't need meter readers, electricians, plumbers, delivery drivers, etc doing whatever they want. They will put vulnerable people at risk.
My daughter has covid again! She last had it at Christmas, and now she just tested positive this morning again. She seems ok, very congested. She has to stay at home for at least 5 days, and so I will be wfh.
I hope she’s ok and over it quickly, I hope I’m ok too, but also it’s all just so restrictive isn’t it. She was supposed to have her 1st sleepover this week, it’s my birthday on Friday. I’m just feeling a bit emotional about it all. But it’s a very emotional time anyway.
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My daughter has covid again! She last had it at Christmas, and now she just tested positive this morning again. She seems ok, very congested. She has to stay at home for at least 5 days, and so I will be wfh.
I hope she’s ok and over it quickly, I hope I’m ok too, but also it’s all just so restrictive isn’t it. She was supposed to have her 1st sleepover this week, it’s my birthday on Friday. I’m just feeling a bit emotional about it all. But it’s a very emotional time anyway.
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That's unfortunate Scass.
I wonder if what she caught at Christmas was still late Delta, as I'm sure it's been said that Omicron can't be caught more than once, whether it's BA.1 or BA.2, or even one following the other?
I could be totally wrong though, but if that is the case then I'm surprised the media haven't yet made a song and danced over it!
Anyway, wishing her a speedy recovery.
Scass, I'm so sorry!
Hope you and she feel better soon.
MyNameIsTerry
07-03-22, 13:52
Sorry to hear this, Scass. She will probably be fine for your birthday.
Bet she's gutted about missing the sleepover. I'm guessing, being the good mum we know you are, you will be distracting her with some treat so she doesn't feel she has lost out quite so much?
I'm also very sorry to hear this, Scass. It's a very disruptive and distressing time and I'm not surprised that you are feeling emotional.
I hope that you manage to stay well yourself even though it will be hard when you're caring for your daughter. Had you made any plans for your birthday?
Pamplemousse
07-03-22, 14:15
Get well soon little Scass :flowers:
Pamplemousse
07-03-22, 15:19
This is an interesting read: why some people have never caught Covid.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/07/never-caught-covid-immune-systems-vaccines
Thank you lovelies.
Pretty sure I’ll catch it this time, but there’s not much I can do really.
She is on permanent screen time at the moment!
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Thank you lovelies.
Pretty sure I’ll catch it this time, but there’s not much I can do really.
She is on permanent screen time at the moment!
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If it does come to get you, it will probably resemble just an ordinary cold, which seems to be the case for the vast majority now.
Maybe not a terribly good idea to post this, PM?
Pamplemousse
07-03-22, 21:13
In retrospect, P. you're right, so I've binned it.
Hi Scass :D
Sending some well wishes for you and your lovely daughter.:flowers:
Connie Xx
How unlucky Scass. I hope the time passes quickly and you Booths stay pretty well.
Thank you lovely Lola & Catkins. She didn’t have a great night, but she’s in good spirits xx
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How are you feeling though, Scass? Emotionally and physically? I'm sure your daughter will be absolutely fine but you sound as if you're a bit fragile quite understandably....
Pamplemousse
09-03-22, 23:34
Hi Scass, hope you and the Scasslette are doing okay; I learned today my elder great-nephew has got Covid again too!
He last had it in October.
Hi Scass, hope you and the Scasslette are doing okay; I learned today my elder great-nephew has got Covid again too!
He last had it in October.
That probably would still have been Delta back then, as we weren't officially alerted to Omicron by the WHO until towards the end of November.
Sorry I missed your messages! We are ok, she is doing well and been feeling much better. Looking back I think she was getting it on Friday & Saturday when she was very tired & a bit emotional. Anyway, I’ll test her again tomorrow as that will be day 5 since her positive test.
I am ok, I’ve had a headache for a couple of days & a runny nose. Still testing negative though, I’m thinking it might be my allergies, but I’m not out of the woods yet!
Thanks for thinking of us x
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Hi Scass, hope you and the Scasslette are doing okay; I learned today my elder great-nephew has got Covid again too!
He last had it in October.
Hope your great nephew is doing ok PM. And you are too :)
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My test this morning is positive [emoji853].
I just looked at yesterday’s and there is the faintest line there too that I didn’t see at the time. I suppose this explains the headaches & sneezing then.
It’s my birthday too.
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Oh no.....NOT what you want for a birthday "present"!!! I'm really sorry but escaping again from catching it was a pretty long shot..
I hope your symptoms stay mild and Happy Birthday anyway..It's still your Special Day, Covid or not xxx
Pamplemousse
11-03-22, 09:29
Hope your great nephew is doing ok PM. And you are too :)
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Firstly, happy birthday Scass :) just think you'll be getting antibodies as a birthday pressie, although I'm sure you'd prefer cake!
I'm not too bad, Scass - long day at work today so I got in early to have a decent breakfast. G-N is doing okay as far as I know, his little brother is fed up at being shut away even with his toys (he has it too). Here's hoping it passes quickly.
Thank you!
Yes, it was very unlikely to be 3rd time lucky wasn’t it!
Glad the boys and you are doing ok PM!
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My test this morning is positive [emoji853].
I just looked at yesterday’s and there is the faintest line there too that I didn’t see at the time. I suppose this explains the headaches & sneezing then.
It’s my birthday too.
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Wishing you a speedy recovery Scass.
Being Omicron, it will hopefully be mild, and not the same beast it was 2 years ago.
MyNameIsTerry
12-03-22, 07:06
Get well soon, Scass. Sadly not the kind of unwanted gift you can recycle into a pressie for someone else the year after but hopefully it will be very mild.
How is your daughter? Did she do something for your birthday to cheer you up?
She drew me a picture and made me a card [emoji3590].
It was fine really, once I finished work (from home!) I watched Netflix! I got quite spoilt by my loved ones, so that was nice. A couple of friends dropped flowers on the doorstep, and one left a cake too.
Did not sleep well last night. I don’t think I told you all that I hurt my shoulder a few weeks ago when tripping over thin air and landing on my car bonnet [emoji849]. I definitely pulled something on the way down, and whilst it’s mostly ok & something I can live with during the day, at night it wakes me up a lot. I had an online physio appointment yesterday & he’s given me some exercises to start. He thinks I damaged some soft tissue when I fell.
Definitely feeling more congested in my sinuses today.
Oh Scass, not a great day birthdaywise. But as said before, just think of those antibodies!
MyNameIsTerry
12-03-22, 07:51
Sounds like a lovely time. I bet your daughter was excited to give you her card. You must be feeling very appreciated right now.
My GF will sympathise on the shoulder. She has scar tissue from years competing in archery at uni many years ago. She has trouble sleeping with it sometimes. In the end she found acupuncture helped, if not it gave her a good sleep. A work colleague who had rock climbing injuries found the same on both counts.
I hope it gets better soon. When you can't sleep you don't feel you've had the mental break to recharge. I found insomnia a big trigger for my anxiety so you feel like you can't cope. I can't stand or walk much due to sciatica at the moment, and then with a stick, so I know what you mean. It will change though and whilst rough nights make for hard day's your body will force you to sleep.
I was watching a video on YouTube the other day by Drbeen (who is fairly well-respected), which suggests the actual onset of the pandemic could have been as early as late August-early September 2019.
According to that video, there were already reports of Covid-like viruses circulating in Italy back then, let alone Wuhan, but somehow seemed to escape the media at the time.
Sounds like a lovely time. I bet your daughter was excited to give you her card. You must be feeling very appreciated right now.
My GF will sympathise on the shoulder. She has scar tissue from years competing in archery at uni many years ago. She has trouble sleeping with it sometimes. In the end she found acupuncture helped, if not it gave her a good sleep. A work colleague who had rock climbing injuries found the same on both counts.
I hope it gets better soon. When you can't sleep you don't feel you've had the mental break to recharge. I found insomnia a big trigger for my anxiety so you feel like you can't cope. I can't stand or walk much due to sciatica at the moment, and then with a stick, so I know what you mean. It will change though and whilst rough nights make for hard day's your body will force you to sleep.
Terry I’m so sorry about your sciatica, it sounds like it’s quite the problem. I hope that you are getting some help and support?
Thank you for the tips! Once I’m out of isolation I’ll look into it x
Phil mentioned about the Deltacron variant in his 'Bad anxiety' thread yesterday.
I replied saying that the only news about it I've seen so far was a report in the i newspaper, but the BBC have hardly covered it so far.
Does anyone know how serious it really is and if it is serious, are Aunty Beeb (and the govt) playing down the risks, whatever they may be?
It was mentioned that so far there have only been a handful of Deltacron cases in this country alone since January.
I wonder if the govt may need to reinstate certain Covid restrictions once again if things end up taking a turn for the worse again over the coming days/weeks/months?
The media generally seems far more focused on Ukraine right now and Covid still remains a bit of an afterthought. Had Deltacron surfaced a few months back the media and the govt would have no doubt been putting the fear of God into us over it.
I really wonder what's going on right now, as we seem to be in limbo?
I read something about it yesterday that said it was unlikely to overtake omicron, and that cases hadn’t really taken off.
I don't reckon that Covid is terribly high up on the Government's agenda at the moment...possible new variant or not? Lockdowns are a thing of the past and it's down to us to make our decisions as to how we live with Covid.
There are high numbers of cases in my area and a lack of LFT kits so who knows what the true figures are? The people I know who have it at the moment feel pretty ghastly with a cough, headache, fatigue and body aches. They are all fully vaccinated.
I read something about it yesterday that said it was unlikely to overtake omicron, and that cases hadn’t really taken off.
I think it's that fear of the unknown more than anything, and it would be nice if the media gave us more of an explanation, but so far they haven't elaborated that much on it.
They did say that Omicron BA.2 is now starting to take over from BA.1 as the predominant Covid variant in the UK, and inadvertently believed to be partly responsible for the current country-wide flare-up (coupled with the final easement of all restrictions on 25th Feb), but again, no one has yet elaborated on whether people can be successively infected with BA.2 after BA.1, though I think I read somewhere that there has so far only been a handful of such Omicron reinfections recorded in this country, and I'm sure I read somewhere the other day that even BA.2 is not expected to cause a major (fourth) wave of Covid in this country.
Trouble is, I don't know who or what to believe with anything anymore.
She drew me a picture and made me a card [emoji3590].
It was fine really, once I finished work (from home!) I watched Netflix! I got quite spoilt by my loved ones, so that was nice. A couple of friends dropped flowers on the doorstep, and one left a cake too.
Did not sleep well last night. I don’t think I told you all that I hurt my shoulder a few weeks ago when tripping over thin air and landing on my car bonnet [emoji849]. I definitely pulled something on the way down, and whilst it’s mostly ok & something I can live with during the day, at night it wakes me up a lot. I had an online physio appointment yesterday & he’s given me some exercises to start. He thinks I damaged some soft tissue when I fell.
Definitely feeling more congested in my sinuses today.
That sounds very painful! I hope the exercises help and acupuncture is always an option as Terry says. These things take time to heal but that's not easy to hear when sleep is disturbed and pain feels more pronounced when you just can't get comfortable.
How long did it take you all to recover from covid? I know everyone is different but I'm just seeking some reassurance that you do eventually feel better. I felt better last week when I was still positive than I do this week negative.
Its scarying me a bit now.
How long did it take you all to recover from covid? I know everyone is different but I'm just seeking some reassurance that you do eventually feel better. I felt better last week when I was still positive than I do this week negative.
Its scarying me a bit now.
My brother said to me the other day that there's other coexisting bugs right now, when I told him that both me and my dad have been having a lot of stomach pains over the past week or so.
I reckon allergies due to daffodils, etc budding might also be playing a part.
Pamplemousse
14-03-22, 10:41
Here's a question: a colleague of mine has returned to work after both leave *and* Covid. Today we learned his father has just tested positive.
Is it possible for my colleague to transmit his father's infection on to us?
Do they live in the same house? If they do he might have to do daily LFT tests? Not 100% sure.
Someone at work who had it a few weeks ago had a similar problem. One of her children tested positive last week, she couldn't come into work until she provided a negative PCR. Which is a bit tricky because you can show up positive on a PCR for up to 3 months after having Covid, she also had to do daily LFT's, but we have to do that every day we're in work anyway.
I am sick for the first time since January 2020 and my nerves are a bit high. I *think* it's just a cold (at home test was negative this morning like 12 hours after symptoms began) but of course I'm worried about Covid because my school recently removed mask mandates. It started with a very sore throat last night going to bed that was mostly gone in the morning and replaced with just general throat gunkness and a feeling of just mild head pressure - no nasal congestion. My daughter came down with a cold March 3 (she tested negative for covid), then my husband started symptoms of the same cold (presumably) March 8. I felt fine through all of that until yesterday (so 10 days since my daughter got sick and 5 days since my husband). I want to believe it's all the same cold, but that seems like a long time before getting sick. I am very careful when someone is sick and of the 5 colds my daughter has had since September this would be the first one I got. Do you think it's possible that I held off this cold so long by being careful but being in the house with 2 sick people eventually overtook me and I could get it this far out (my husband still has symptoms and my daughter is still a bit stuffy because she sucks at blowing her nose).
I'll test again tomorrow also.
I was watching a video on YouTube the other day by Drbeen (who is fairly well-respected), which suggests the actual onset of the pandemic could have been as early as late August-early September 2019.
According to that video, there were already reports of Covid-like viruses circulating in Italy back then, let alone Wuhan, but somehow seemed to escape the media at the time.
I still feel like I may have had it in January 2020. I got sick with and upper respiratory virus that was basically only a cough - no nasal congestion or anything. I remember telling my mom that I'd never had anything like this before and the cough lingered for weeks and weeks. I would go into massive, random coughing fits. I did get an antibody test in July of that year, but that was like 6 months later so who knows.
Hi PM,
I’ve lived in the same home with covid infections twice and not got it. I did stay home and do PCRS twice though. Obviously this time I wasn’t so lucky, but I just think the person living with the infected needs to test daily and be a bit more mindful of the infection. However, it sounds like he already had it, so testing is probably pointless. You seem to have really good measures in place at work anyway though.
Hi Erin,
With my partner, sore throat was his main symptom- lots of people say it’s really painful.
With me, my throat barely hurt but I’ve had sinus congestion. I had this for 2 days before my lateral flow came back positive, and if I hadn’t been home with my isolating daughter, I would have gone out & to work. Could you get a PCR test?
Also, hope you’re ok other than all of this xx
I cannot sleep again for a number of reasons, but just wanted to update on my covid. I had sinus headache for the last 2 days and still a runny nose. My test yesterday was a lot fainter which would have been day 4/5.
Anyway, hope you’re all ok.
This morning’s tests (I did 2!) are negative [emoji4]. This is day 5/6.
I keep saying that because my official positive test was 5 days ago, but i think my test from the day before that had a very faint line.
Great news but I expect you still feel pretty poleaxed..Take things as easy as can xx
Great news but I expect you still feel pretty poleaxed..Take things as easy as can xx
I do feel pretty worn out.
All in all I’ve been stuck indoors for 10 days now. I’m tired because I’m not sleeping well, and also my flat is such a state but I can’t do anything about it.
Just did my shoulder / arm exercises. I hope it is better soon so I can sleeeeeep. Xx
Pamplemousse
15-03-22, 14:00
Hi PM,
I’ve lived in the same home with covid infections twice and not got it. I did stay home and do PCRS twice though. Obviously this time I wasn’t so lucky, but I just think the person living with the infected needs to test daily and be a bit more mindful of the infection. However, it sounds like he already had it, so testing is probably pointless. You seem to have really good measures in place at work anyway though.
Hi Scass, you seem to be getting better - yay!:yahoo: Yes, the colleague whose father is infected is continuing to wear masks at work (as most of us do anyway) so I feel reasonably comfortable with things.
The flat will keep. Rest.
Glad things are improving Scass.
We've had an outbreak in our department again. Three positive LFT's. I've had contact with all three people in the last 5 days. I'm still negative though.
Glad things are improving Scass.
We've had an outbreak in our department again. Three positive LFT's. I've had contact with all three people in the last 5 days. I'm still negative though.
I bet had this happened more than 6 months ago the whole place would have probably been shut down for a week or two.
For better or worse, hardly anyone seems to bother to go to such drastic lengths now.
Glad things are improving Scass.
We've had an outbreak in our department again. Three positive LFT's. I've had contact with all three people in the last 5 days. I'm still negative though.
Wow, 3! And you all have to test every day anyway? I’m sure you’ll be fine as you only had it very recently.
There’s certainly a lot of it about at the moment.
There’s certainly a lot of it about at the moment.
But apart from Scotland hanging onto their indoor mask wearing policies for a bit longer, there doesn't appear to be any talk so far of any restrictions being reinstated (at least not here in England).
I've basically now given up following the dashboard stats as especially since they stopped publishing at weekends (Saturdays and Sundays) their numbers have been extremely hodge-podge and all over the place, especially with stats for Mondays (and sometimes Tuesdays) playing catch-up after weekends.
All very confusing and inconsistent IMO.
Yes it’s probably not worth it Lenco.
I occasionally check it on a Monday to see what it’s like in my borough, but I think it’s a bit like seeking a reassurance, so I might try and stop.
Wow, 3! And you all have to test every day anyway? I’m sure you’ll be fine as you only had it very recently.
There’s certainly a lot of it about at the moment.
We had another 2 positives by the time the department opened and then another one this afternoon for someone who stayed off because they felt ill.
It was a busy day rearranging clinics and trying to get cover. I'm going in tomorrow when I was meant to be on holiday just to cover the office as unfortunately 2 admin staff have got it so we're buggered. Fortunately I only have to cover our area as they've managed to get someone to cover the other site affected.
I'll just keep doing LFT's and hopefully will stay clear. It would be terribly unlucky to get it again so soon after having it. But I guess what will be will be.
I don't want to miss my hair appointment on Saturday so fingers crossed!
May your LFT lines stay single, Catkins! We all need our regular follicle taming!
Covid has reached my daughter's farm where she works..Symptoms seemed to be more marked but over more quickly along with a negative LFT.
Apparently Camilla is still under the weather from her recent bout. I imagine that she's someone who rarely cancels official engagements so she must have been badly affected.
Yes it’s probably not worth it Lenco.
I occasionally check it on a Monday to see what it’s like in my borough, but I think it’s a bit like seeking a reassurance, so I might try and stop.
The BBC don't seem to be making that big a deal over all things Covid so far this week. In fact, they appear to have jettisoned publication of daily stats so far this week (Mondays to Fridays), not that I'm really that bothered right now anyway.
While it definitely still hasn't gone away, it's now obviously no longer considered the big news story it was previously.
Boris says......Let's Get Boosted Again!
4th jabs in the offing....but don't mention the Pandemic.
Pamplemousse
19-03-22, 19:35
Boris says......Let's Get Boosted Again!
4th jabs in the offing....but don't mention the Pandemic.
A fourth jab?
"Really...?", he said wearily.
Mind you, that contemptible oaf compared Ukraine's fight for freedom to Brexit and resisting "wokeness", to the applause of the gibbering brain-dead chimps assembled in Blackpool today.
MyNameIsTerry
20-03-22, 20:51
A fourth jab?
"Really...?", he said wearily.
Mind you, that contemptible oaf compared Ukraine's fight for freedom to Brexit and resisting "wokeness", to the applause of the gibbering brain-dead chimps assembled in Blackpool today.
It was a stupid comparison. I suspect all but the hardened will view it the same.
The 4th was announced for the more vulnerable groups from April I think. Did they say they are expanding this to others over the summer?
It makes sense considering it's spiking again. Otherwise the 3rd was pointless.
A fourth jab?
"Really...?", he said wearily.
Mind you, that contemptible oaf compared Ukraine's fight for freedom to Brexit and resisting "wokeness", to the applause of the gibbering brain-dead chimps assembled in Blackpool today.
Personally I don't see any link or comparison between Ukraine 'fighting for freedom' and the UK voting to leave the EU. More like Boris trying to 'big himself up' once again after recently slumping in the opinion polls in the wake of Partygate, etc!
Javid says no 4th jab for everyone is planned yet....so I give it a month.
Funny to watch the Tories desperately trying to brush off Boris' latest gaffe as "fluff".
Javid says no 4th jab for everyone is planned yet....so I give it a month.
Funny to watch the Tories desperately trying to brush off Boris' latest gaffe as "fluff".
I think they were saying the 4th jab is currently reserved for the older generations and the most vulnerable individuals, rather than all age groups.
As with the first 3 jabs, there seems to initially be some kind of 'hierarchy' as to whom they're awarded to.
I don't think Boris and Co would even dare to contemplate a 4th national lockdown now, as not only would it probably be political suicide for him, but unlike earlier in the pandemic when lockdowns and restrictions in general were the only real weapons against Covid at the time (at least in the shorter term), there are now other ways and means of managing the pandemic without resorting to such draconian measures, such as vaccines, and now even medication.
Plus of course Omicron, by pot luck, happens to be the least lethal variant so far.
I read an article on Nature.com today that it's unlikely that people who were already infected with Omicron BA.1 will be successively reinfected with BA.2, despite the latter now being predominant in the UK and much of mainland Europe.
Looks like those currently infected and still being infected with BA.2 obviously escaped BA.1 back when it was the predominant variant between December and early February.
I also read somewhere on the BBC site earlier today that daily Covid cases may now be starting to level off, at least in Scotland.
According to a South Korean doctor.... "those people who haven't already had Covid probably have no friends"
Guilty as charged!:D
We're probably way in the minority now..Is this a good or a bad thing?
Or maybe those people just haven’t had covid yet because their family & friends are very careful around them.
Pamplemousse
27-03-22, 20:46
According to a South Korean doctor.... "those people who haven't already had Covid probably have no friends"
Guilty as charged!:D
We're probably way in the minority now..Is this a good or a bad thing?
I can live with that :D
Joking aside, two of my colleagues tested positive on Friday - we all took tests at the same time and so far, I have escaped.
However, I have an irritated throat as I type - was that from sorting out the rotting food in the sink and drain earlier (it really was pretty bad) or is this Covid's first attack...?
I was actually talking to my dad last night about Covid and harking back to this time 2 years ago soon after our very first national lockdown had started and how the govt, media, NHS, etc, were putting the fear of God into us over it and telling us to 'stay home and save lives', and despite overall infections in the UK now reportedly being higher than at any time during the entire pandemic, the media, most ironically, are no longer making the big fuss over Covid in general that they still were even as recently as 6 months ago, and my dad said it's because Omicron is the least harmful variant so far, and it's now more about 'learning to live with Covid'.
Funny how even as recently as December 2021 when Omicron BA.1 very first started to take over, my dad was still very pro-lockdown at the time, and in the wake of said variant infecting the population en masse, but has since changed his mind and last night he was saying that the normal seasonal flu actually killed far more people every year (pre-Covid) than Omicron is right now, and we never even considered lockdowns or restrictions back then, nor did we usually give it as much as a second thought.
Pamplemousse
28-03-22, 17:41
Yet flu has an R number of about 1.5 to 1.8, whilst the current variant of Omicron is believed to be in the region of 8 to 15, making it the second most infectious disease we know of (measles being top).
That has the potential to be seriously dangerous.
Did you make it to work today, PM?
Pamplemousse
29-03-22, 08:56
Did you make it to work today, PM?
Oh yes, and I'm in today too.
According to a South Korean doctor.... "those people who haven't already had Covid probably have no friends"
Guilty as charged!:D
We're probably way in the minority now..Is this a good or a bad thing?Can I join the 'Billy no-mates' club? :D
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