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I read a pretty good article the other day about the pending second civil war in the United States. Actually it was an excerpt from a new book coming out. But it made the case for dividing up the country into two countries essentially because the author felt that's what it has become and our differences have become so polarized that there's no going back. He said that it could be a bloodless break up. For years I've been saying we should just draw a line down the middle of the country and make one side, probably the right side, conservative America - CUSA and the left side liberal America - LUSA (of course everyone would refer to that side as loser but so be it). You could choose what side you want to live on and be a citizen of at the beginning but that's it once you've signed on that's the country you're a citizen of. The conservative side could be a capitalistic system while the liberal side could be total socialism.
Which side would you like to live on?
N..
I think it's this kind of "us vs. them" thinking that divides us even more, N. I think it's also too black and white, all or nothing, thinking that assumes everyone can just fit into a box, right or left, liberal or conservative.
I honestly think both countries would fail. Pure capitalism doesn't work. Pure socialism doesn't work. You need a capitalist system tempered with some socialist policies to be successful...if you look at most industrialized countries today.
You and I are about as different as night and day when it comes to politics N, but we get a long on this forum. We enjoy ribbing each other and joking about other things. You truly don't believe you and I can live together as Americans in the same country anymore?
Here's an excerpt from the book - see below. Personally I think if there is secession that it's going to come from the right because we're just tired of being bothered. by nature conservatives just want to go about their business and do their thing where progressives are never satisfied...simply based on the term progressive. I was listening to a guy on the radio talk the other day and he said the next civil war is going to come from the south again only this time they are going to win. they're not going to allow a few liberal states in the Northeast and on the west coast dictate how they are going to live.
Excerpt:
Secession movement might find fertile ground in today’s political climate.
Secession. It’s a crazy idea, right? But it’s less crazy than you might think. With all the secessionist movements across the world, it becomes easier to imagine breakups, even in the United States. It’s easier still when the pluses are so much greater than they were in the past, and the minuses so much smaller.
The pluses are so much greater today because the federal government’s footprint has grown so much larger. In the past, the states had less reason to chafe at the rule from Washington. A spring in the back yard didn’t become a federal wetland. Teachers didn’t receive letters from the Department of Education telling them how to run their schools. Local highway decisions weren’t made in Washington because of the strings attached to federal grants. Now America increasingly looks more like a unitary state than like the federal republic the Framers of the Constitution thought they had given us. With secession, we would reverse course.
If there’s more reason for a state to secede today, there’s also a much smaller downside. It wouldn’t perpetuate slavery in the South, as secession in 1861 would have done. Even after the Civil War had brought an end to slavery, federalism and “states’ rights” were discredited by southern Jim Crow laws and barriers to voting registration for black Americans. Since then, however, the civil rights revolution has taken hold and it’s much less likely that secession would be employed to discriminate against a minority. Even notorious racists such as Senator Jim Eastland (D-MS) understood how the 1965 Voting Rights Act and federal marshals had changed the equation. “When [the blacks] get the vote,” he said, “I won’t be talking this way anymore.” Far from bringing back Jim Crow, secession today in a place like California might give us the perfect paradise of woke progressivism.
Instead of the Civil War, think of the “velvet divorce” of the Czechs and Slovaks in 1993. Distinct in religion, language and culture, they had been combined in a country created in 1918 after the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The Slovaks were conservative and agricultural while the Czechs liked avant-garde plays and rock music. Czechoslovakia suffered through Nazi and Soviet rule, and then split apart into Slovakia and the Czech Republic upon the fall of communism. The two new countries, both Western and liberal, solved questions about their border, the division of assets and assumption of public debt through negotiation, and they’ve since maintained the friendliest of relations.
We’re now living in a secessionist moment in world history, as a result of three international developments. The first was the decolonization movement., which gave birth to new countries in Africa and Asia as European countries shrank. Like the American Revolution, the grant of independence was a form of secession from the colonial power. The second development was the end of the Cold War. When countries had faced the threat of Communist expansion, they did not wish to weaken themselves by dividing in two countries, or weren’t given that option. South Vietnam wasn’t permitted to remain independent of North Vietnam, for example. But after the Communist empire fell, twenty-four new countries emerged from behind the Iron Curtain. The third development was the worldwide embrace of free trade. When countries subjected foreign goods to high tariffs but let domestic goods pass freely, small size meant greater barriers to trade, and that was a cost. If a seceding state could enter into a free trade zone with the one it was splitting away from, and accede to its free-trade treaties, that cost would disappear.
All this points to a rise in American secessionism. To American states that chafe at rule from Washington, the federal government can seem like a distant and burdensome colonial power. That was the point of the Tea Party movement, after all. “Party like it’s 1773!” said Sarah Palin, recalling the first Tea Party. The fall of communism has also lessened the need for the powerful military that only a large state can provide. Finally, a seceding state might hope to retain free-trade links with the rest of the United States, as Quebec separatists had sought with their idea of sovereignty-association. (RELATED: Texit? Meet The Folks Making The Push For The Second Biggest State In The US To Secede)
In short, the stakes have been lowered, and that’s why a modern president might react to a secession referendum with more of James Buchanan’s prudence and less of Abraham Lincoln’s unyielding assertion of federal sovereignty. Secession might also seem like a reasonable way to resolve unbridgeable partisan differences, in which case an Article V convention to amend the Constitution might work out our own velvet divorce. Finally, the right of secession might find support in the Supreme Court, were it to follow the decision of the Canadian Supreme Court when it was faced with the possibility of a successful independence referendum in Quebec.
Cass Sunstein has said that “no serious scholar or politician now argues that a right to secede exists under American constitutional law.” He’s right. But I will show how it could still happen through constitutional means.
MyNameIsTerry
13-05-20, 22:14
I think it's this kind of "us vs. them" thinking that divides us even more, N. I think it's also too black and white, all or nothing, thinking that assumes everyone can just fit into a box, right or left, liberal or conservative.
I honestly think both countries would fail. Pure capitalism doesn't work. Pure socialism doesn't work. You need a capitalist system tempered with some socialist policies to be successful...if you look at most industrialized countries today.
You and I are about as different as night and day when it comes to politics N, but we get a long on this forum. We enjoy ribbing each other and joking about other things. You truly don't believe you and I can live together as Americans in the same country anymore?
Agreed. And what is pure? How many on the left and right don't agreed with others on their side? There are those to the fringes who would still cause friction because their views are much harder. The more moderate of each side would still have to deal with them.
Take our Labour party as an example. The hard left have spent the last few years in a bitter fight for control that has seen them lurch further left causing traditional working class voters to cease voting for them. The party thought having the most members in Europe was brilliant but they forget 500k is tiny in our country. They got trounced and now it's still kicking off as the factions fight dirty over the new leader who isn't as far to the left.
Similar examples can be found in the Tory party.
I've thought about this based on the deep divide in our country. IMO, we've become too comfortable and complacent in our lives to actually take up arms and fight each other. As far as dividing the country? Again, the reality is it won't happen.
Will there be incidents? No doubt and they'll be ugly like they were in Charlottesville when that right wing maniac drove his car into the crowd, killed one and injured several. There are right wing militia groups that would have no problem pulling the triggers of their AR15s. Will left wing protesters beat the poo out of a group of a pro-life group? Probably. Yeah, IMO, its going to get a lot uglier moving forward from both sides.
Will it result in an armed conflict or division of the states? Nope. Lets be honest... If you are conservative and live in a blue state, are you going to pack up your life and move to live in a like minded red state? Visa Versa applies. Would you seriously consider arming yourself and joining a militia to fight the opposition? OR... is posting on social media from the comfort of your easy chair enjoying a cold one more your speed? Our society has changed. I don't believe we'll ever see the types of protests we've seen in our past or other countries around the world. Sure, there will be protests. Sure, people will gather carrying signs. There will be incidents of violence. But a full blown war? Nahhhh... we're too freaking lazy to be honest.
Positive thoughts
ankietyjoe
13-05-20, 23:32
So what you're saying is the 'greatest country on earth' needs to sulk and not talk to itself any more because it can't get along?
No.
And of course it won't result in armed conflict. The mouthy ones that stockpiled all the guns have done precisely nothing in the face of the exact thing they were arming themselves for.
Fishmanpaa is spot on. Too comfortable and lazy to actually do anything. In the meantime, the ones that are causing the issue are the ones allowing themselves to become divided by various media outlets. You actually put all these people in a room together and good old fashioned human instinct comes in and they start getting along.
PanickyGuy
14-05-20, 01:12
No way the current federal government would let that happen, no matter who is President. That's a conservative Southern good ol' boy pipe dream. And if people did try that in any state, they would end up like Ruby Ridge or Waco, Texas. The same type of people who had the same type of thinking and look what happened to them.
But it doesn't matter now, because this virus is going to change a lot of things that will probably bury such political radical notions. Because this virus has got us by the balls right now. It's like an outside invading force coming into the country and successfully reducing our numbers on each politically divided side. So it demands our attention, one way or another, whether we all disagree or agree politically.
Who said anything about armed conflict (not that I think for one second that that couldn't happen)? But did you read the piece?
Do you think that at one time, and not that long ago, anyone thought the USSR would be no more?
I find it amusing that it's the lefties who generally don't want the split. Of course they do like to run things by fiat... BTW that's not a car for you libs.
No way the current federal government would let that happen, no matter who is President. That's a conservative Southern good ol' boy pipe dream. And if people did try that in any state, they would end up like Ruby Ridge or Waco, Texas. The same type of people who had the same type of thinking and look what happened to them.
But it doesn't matter now, because this virus is going to change a lot of things that will probably bury such political radical notions. Because this virus has got us by the balls right now. It's like an outside invading force coming into the country and successfully reducing our numbers on each politically divided side. So it demands our attention, one way or another, whether we all disagree or agree politically.
Waco Texas? Apparently you don't know what that was all about panicky guy.
Agreed. And what is pure? How many on the left and right don't agreed with others on their side? There are those to the fringes who would still cause friction because their views are much harder. The more moderate of each side would still have to deal with them.
Take our Labour party as an example. The hard left have spent the last few years in a bitter fight for control that has seen them lurch further left causing traditional working class voters to cease voting for them. The party thought having the most members in Europe was brilliant but they forget 500k is tiny in our country. They got trounced and now it's still kicking off as the factions fight dirty over the new leader who isn't as far to the left.
Similar examples can be found in the Tory party.
But Terry isn't Scotland talking about leaving the UK? And didn't the UK just leave the EU? See it's easy to just say oh it could never happen. Are you kidding me? Look around at world history. Look at recent history. Do you really think in a hundred years the world is going to look exactly the same?
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Excerpt:
Secession movement might find fertile ground in today’s political climate.
Secession. It’s a crazy idea, right? But it’s less crazy than you might think. With all the secessionist movements across the world, it becomes easier to imagine breakups, even in the United States. It’s easier still when the pluses are so much greater than they were in the past, and the minuses so much smaller.
The pluses are so much greater today because the federal government’s footprint has grown so much larger. In the past, the states had less reason to chafe at the rule from Washington. A spring in the back yard didn’t become a federal wetland. Teachers didn’t receive letters from the Department of Education telling them how to run their schools. Local highway decisions weren’t made in Washington because of the strings attached to federal grants. Now America increasingly looks more like a unitary state than like the federal republic the Framers of the Constitution thought they had given us. With secession, we would reverse course.
If there’s more reason for a state to secede today, there’s also a much smaller downside. It wouldn’t perpetuate slavery in the South, as secession in 1861 would have done. Even after the Civil War had brought an end to slavery, federalism and “states’ rights” were discredited by southern Jim Crow laws and barriers to voting registration for black Americans. Since then, however, the civil rights revolution has taken hold and it’s much less likely that secession would be employed to discriminate against a minority. Even notorious racists such as Senator Jim Eastland (D-MS) understood how the 1965 Voting Rights Act and federal marshals had changed the equation. “When [the blacks] get the vote,” he said, “I won’t be talking this way anymore.” Far from bringing back Jim Crow, secession today in a place like California might give us the perfect paradise of woke progressivism.
Instead of the Civil War, think of the “velvet divorce” of the Czechs and Slovaks in 1993. Distinct in religion, language and culture, they had been combined in a country created in 1918 after the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The Slovaks were conservative and agricultural while the Czechs liked avant-garde plays and rock music. Czechoslovakia suffered through Nazi and Soviet rule, and then split apart into Slovakia and the Czech Republic upon the fall of communism. The two new countries, both Western and liberal, solved questions about their border, the division of assets and assumption of public debt through negotiation, and they’ve since maintained the friendliest of relations.
We’re now living in a secessionist moment in world history, as a result of three international developments. The first was the decolonization movement., which gave birth to new countries in Africa and Asia as European countries shrank. Like the American Revolution, the grant of independence was a form of secession from the colonial power. The second development was the end of the Cold War. When countries had faced the threat of Communist expansion, they did not wish to weaken themselves by dividing in two countries, or weren’t given that option. South Vietnam wasn’t permitted to remain independent of North Vietnam, for example. But after the Communist empire fell, twenty-four new countries emerged from behind the Iron Curtain. The third development was the worldwide embrace of free trade. When countries subjected foreign goods to high tariffs but let domestic goods pass freely, small size meant greater barriers to trade, and that was a cost. If a seceding state could enter into a free trade zone with the one it was splitting away from, and accede to its free-trade treaties, that cost would disappear.
All this points to a rise in American secessionism. To American states that chafe at rule from Washington, the federal government can seem like a distant and burdensome colonial power. That was the point of the Tea Party movement, after all. “Party like it’s 1773!” said Sarah Palin, recalling the first Tea Party. The fall of communism has also lessened the need for the powerful military that only a large state can provide. Finally, a seceding state might hope to retain free-trade links with the rest of the United States, as Quebec separatists had sought with their idea of sovereignty-association. (RELATED: Texit? Meet The Folks Making The Push For The Second Biggest State In The US To Secede)
In short, the stakes have been lowered, and that’s why a modern president might react to a secession referendum with more of James Buchanan’s prudence and less of Abraham Lincoln’s unyielding assertion of federal sovereignty. Secession might also seem like a reasonable way to resolve unbridgeable partisan differences, in which case an Article V convention to amend the Constitution might work out our own velvet divorce. Finally, the right of secession might find support in the Supreme Court, were it to follow the decision of the Canadian Supreme Court when it was faced with the possibility of a successful independence referendum in Quebec.
Cass Sunstein has said that “no serious scholar or politician now argues that a right to secede exists under American constitutional law.” He’s right. But I will show how it could still happen through constitutional means.
So here's what I think of this excerpt. Now granted, I'm not a Phd. I'm only an MA, and not in constitutional law, but in American history.
I don't think that secession is a far off idea or completely unheard of. For example, in the 2016 election, there were Californians who talked of secession because they didn't like the results of the election. There are groups in Michigan that talk of it all the time.
I do however, think that "the stakes" meaning the pitfalls for a state and the US if a succession were to occur, vary by the state. For instance, if California would secede, you can guarantee that there would be a backlash against that, as we are the fifth largest economy in the world. The rest of the US would not want to lose that. Maybe they wouldn't care so much if let's say Idaho were to secede? Not sure, but maybe not as much. However, even wealthy states like ours still rely on the federal government for funding. Even with our budget surplus we've had in the past few years, we've still been brought low by CV, and we're asking for aid just like every other state. If we cannot fully support ourselves, as a wealthy state, how would those states like Idaho survive on their own?
Additionally, I'd also like to point out that Lincoln wasn't the first president to face secession by a state in the US. During Andrew Jackson's presidency, South Carolina threatened to secede over tariffs that they didn't want to pay. Jackson lowered the tariffs, but threatened them with military force if they took their threats any further. He even lost his own VP over the incident. Jefferson considered it during Adams' presidency if the Alien and Sedition Acts weren't overturned. Then were was a whole convention on it again during Jefferson's presidency. This idea isn't new.
As far as I'm aware, secession isn't mentioned in our Constitution. Our Constitution sets up an "indestructible" union. However, if 3/4s of the states hold a Constitutional Convention and agree to let a state or states leave or conversely kick states out, the Constitution does support that.
PanickyGuy
14-05-20, 04:56
Waco Texas? Apparently you don't know what that was all about panicky guy.
The point was the end result. What happened in the end. Not what started it - yeah I know about the weapons violation. Do you think the people in power behind the federal government are going to let any state succeed from the feds? They will do just like they did with the Waco Branch Davidians, but on a larger scale - it's called "siege". So that is what I'm talking about, because the incident at Waco is called the "Waco Siege" because of how the feds handled it in the end. And that's how people like Timothy McVeigh saw it, so he retaliated in return?
Constitution law or not, the last Civil War has many good historical lessons why the federal government will not let any state succeed.
I read a pretty good article the other day about the pending second civil war in the United States. Actually it was an excerpt from a new book coming out. But it made the case for dividing up the country into two countries essentially because the author felt that's what it has become and our differences have become so polarized that there's no going back. He said that it could be a bloodless break up. For years I've been saying we should just draw a line down the middle of the country and make one side, probably the right side, conservative America - CUSA and the left side liberal America - LUSA (of course everyone would refer to that side as loser but so be it). You could choose what side you want to live on and be a citizen of at the beginning but that's it once you've signed on that's the country you're a citizen of. The conservative side could be a capitalistic system while the liberal side could be total socialism.
Which side would you like to live on?
N..
Hi N.
I will stay and live in Aus:yesyes:
Hope you are well living in The Land of The Free.:Dand sending well wishes for your family x
WiseMonkey
14-05-20, 12:23
Hi N.
I will stay and live in Aus:yesyes:
Hope you are well living in The Land of The Free.:Dand sending well wishes for your family x
... and I will stay and live in Aotearoa (New Zealand), the best little place on the planet ... Aus comes in second Ms L, we are both so fortunate :hugs:
The point was the end result. What happened in the end. Not what started it - yeah I know about the weapons violation. Do you think the people in power behind the federal government are going to let any state succeed from the feds? They will do just like they did with the Waco Branch Davidians, but on a larger scale - it's called "siege". So that is what I'm talking about, because the incident at Waco is called the "Waco Siege" because of how the feds handled it in the end. And that's how people like Timothy McVeigh saw it, so he retaliated in return?
Constitution law or not, the last Civil War has many good historical lessons why the federal government will not let any state succeed.
Fair enough PG. Reno blew it on that one big time. But what if you get a thousand Timothy Mcveigh's? Do you think that is not possible? Governments also cave-in as we found out with the USSR. And believe me I'm not advocating for secession I just think it's a pretty good debate. But I also believe that it can happen.
So here's what I think of this excerpt. Now granted, I'm not a Phd. I'm only an MA, and not in constitutional law, but in American history.
I don't think that secession is a far off idea or completely unheard of. For example, in the 2016 election, there were Californians who talked of secession because they didn't like the results of the election. There are groups in Michigan that talk of it all the time.
I do however, think that "the stakes" meaning the pitfalls for a state and the US if a succession were to occur, vary by the state. For instance, if California would secede, you can guarantee that there would be a backlash against that, as we are the fifth largest economy in the world. The rest of the US would not want to lose that. Maybe they wouldn't care so much if let's say Idaho were to secede? Not sure, but maybe not as much. However, even wealthy states like ours still rely on the federal government for funding. Even with our budget surplus we've had in the past few years, we've still been brought low by CV, and we're asking for aid just like every other state. If we cannot fully support ourselves, as a wealthy state, how would those states like Idaho survive on their own?
Additionally, I'd also like to point out that Lincoln wasn't the first president to face secession by a state in the US. During Andrew Jackson's presidency, South Carolina threatened to secede over tariffs that they didn't want to pay. Jackson lowered the tariffs, but threatened them with military force if they took their threats any further. He even lost his own VP over the incident. Jefferson considered it during Adams' presidency if the Alien and Sedition Acts weren't overturned. Then were was a whole convention on it again during Jefferson's presidency. This idea isn't new.
As far as I'm aware, secession isn't mentioned in our Constitution. Our Constitution sets up an "indestructible" union. However, if 3/4s of the states hold a Constitutional Convention and agree to let a state or states leave or conversely kick states out, the Constitution does support that.
California has a budget surplus? That's the first time I've heard that one. Are we talkin about a Democrat budget surplus or a real budget surplus? LOL!
I don't have an MA just a bachelor's degree... I purposely didn't say BS cuz that would draw some pretty good jokes. However I did test out of American History and United States Government in college. High School used to give us a pretty good education.
I appreciate you reading the entire piece Antsy. And thanks for the history lesson. Geographically California would be the one to go and with their huge population of Hispanics from Mexico it would make sense. In the piece that I attached the author speaks of trade deals between states that seceded. And with California's huge economy they would have no problem setting up beneficial trade deals. There has also been talk of dividing California into 2.
Of course if California secedes we will have to build the wall a lot longer!
As for Wise Monkey and LOLa...I do envy you living in Lollipop Land.
Call me Vee.
We HAD a surplus. Fires and CV have wiped it out.
As a public educator, there are still many schools who provide quality education.
Actually, the Californians calling for secession are actually two groups of mostly white people, not Hispanics/Latinos. One is a group of very leftist white people who were not happy with the results of the 2016 election. The other group are very right-wing white people who want to secede from California and make a 51st state.
But I'm going to give you advice that I give all my students, N. Be careful of black and white (all or nothing) thinking. The world is shades of gray. Generalizations made by black and white thinking are what often get us into trouble. There is never going to be any president, government, policy, etc. that is 100% perfect. There will always be pros and cons. And it's important that you evaluate with this in mind and get information from a variety of sources in order to get a full picture.
What you call "conservativsm" is just a basterdised version of liberalism. It's conservatism in name only because it doesn't conserve anything. These "conservatives" are down with everything from gay marriage to abortion and they love to shill for the Oligarchs. It's not surprising because they used to be Marxists before but they can shape shift depending on the situation. So, it won't make a difference if you split your country along these superficial ideological lines.
MyNameIsTerry
14-05-20, 21:19
What you call "conservativsm" is just a basterdised version of liberalism. It's conservatism in name only because it doesn't conserve anything. These "conservatives" are down with everything from gay marriage to abortion and they love to shill for the Oligarchs. It's not surprising because they used to be Marxists before but they can shape shift depending on the situation. So, it won't make a difference if you split your country along these superficial ideological lines.
Which only demonstrates how not even the right would get along. How hard right do people want it? Many more moderate right wingers wouldn't want to see abortion restricted or anything but equality for LGBT+.
Society moves on and so does the definition of current conservatism. 100 years ago would have looked pretty liberal to Victorian conservatives.
How broad will the church be? Will the far right with all their racism get on with the centre right? Of course not and despite many voting for the same parties they do so for very different reasons. The left is just the same as we are currently seeing with the Labour party mess.
Religion is another example. The hardliner won't get on with more moderate members who follow it line by line.
Let's remember much of it was never big on equality. Plenty of inequality on the left too.
MyNameIsTerry
14-05-20, 21:35
But Terry isn't Scotland talking about leaving the UK? And didn't the UK just leave the EU? See it's easy to just say oh it could never happen. Are you kidding me? Look around at world history. Look at recent history. Do you really think in a hundred years the world is going to look exactly the same?
Yes, but I can't see a left right split, N. I could see a change in direction for main politics. The moderates hold the power here.
I'm not sure if Scotland will go. I think they will be in massive debt if they do and will need the EU to prop them up. But whilst the SNP have gained ground now they were losing it at the previous GE. I'm less aware of Scottish politics but we all know the other parties barely exist up there. And the SNP are very disingenuous wanting it all to be about independence all the time when support might be due to other policies. But the people have given them the mandate for a second vote now and we shall have to see.
Worth noting that many of Scotland's gripes with Westminster are the same as those of us above the old North South divide. When can we form a new country? But due to the decline of traditional industry across the UK we are left in debt to London who earn the money because we now a services based economy. Something which some London Remainers were mentioning when they said let's separate from the rest.
The EU again has many factors to it. Some of the arguments against membership are also the fault of Westminster e.g. lack of investment. The EU worsens it with cheap labour and free movement for bosses to set up elsewhere with less hassle. This also happens inside the UK as councils fight over businesses and offer cheap rents and lower wages than others.
So with the EU it's not just ideology. Some want to see a change in Westminster so that outside of London matters. That means removing the EU too because that gravy train has allowed for laziness in our leaders.
I do think Northern Island will go though. Unlike Scotland I suspect less on the mainland will bat an eyelid as they feel like Gibraltar to many of us.
Who knows, maybe it could happen? But I question just how many people in the UK are as fussed as Americans are about this right left battle. I question how many see the dividing line when our politics are more centrist as opposed to when it lurches away. I also think we are more apathetic than you guys.
Call me Vee.
We HAD a surplus. Fires and CV have wiped it out.
As a public educator, there are still many schools who provide quality education.
Actually, the Californians calling for secession are actually two groups of mostly white people, not Hispanics/Latinos. One is a group of very leftist white people who were not happy with the results of the 2016 election. The other group are very right-wing white people who want to secede from California and make a 51st state.
But I'm going to give you advice that I give all my students, N. Be careful of black and white (all or nothing) thinking. The world is shades of gray. Generalizations made by black and white thinking are what often get us into trouble. There is never going to be any president, government, policy, etc. that is 100% perfect. There will always be pros and cons. And it's important that you evaluate with this in mind and get information from a variety of sources in order to get a full picture.
Vee it is!
This one's for you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxAv6ZYzzXc
PanickyGuy
14-05-20, 22:03
Fair enough PG. Reno blew it on that one big time. But what if you get a thousand Timothy Mcveigh's? Do you think that is not possible? Governments also cave-in as we found out with the USSR. And believe me I'm not advocating for secession I just think it's a pretty good debate. But I also believe that it can happen.
Only if those thousands of Timothy McVeigh's get backed by another foreign country with military aid. Like when Russia/China backed Vietnam/North Korea or if you like, when the French backed the Thirteen Colonies during the American Revolutionary War. But that's a long, long shot in this modern era, though.
The 1917 Russian Revolution isn't really a good example compared to the current U.S., because the conditions that caused that was because of overcrowding, destitute living conditions and costly wars. The government back then was different from our own. The peasants and industrial workers were under Imperial rule. So in order for the U.S. to have a Revolution like early 1900's Russia did, those kind of impoverished conditions need to happen first. That's means just about everybody in the U.S. is damn near starving and living in poor conditions with few government officials at the top having a "Let them eat cake" attitude. That's not going to happen so long as capitalism continues and some of the people in the U.S. are living well enough to not care about other people's revolution. Everybody has got to have skin in that scenario and feel the personal impact to want to fight. Too many rich people and people doing well here won't care.
Look this has always been a popular debate among gun right advocates and Trump supporters that claim it could happen if Trump gets impeached or doesn't get another 4 years in office, but the reality is - unless something like the two above instances happen, I hate to burst your bubble but it's a dream and smack talk at best. There has to be the right conditions in order for it to happen, and although anything is possible and your right, there is always a slim chance it could happen, it won't. Not in this day and age.
Vee it is!
This one's for you!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxAv6ZYzzXc
i think that’s the best post I’ve ever gotten from you, N.
Only if those thousands of Timothy McVeigh's get backed by another foreign country with military aid. Like when Russia/China backed Vietnam/North Korea or if you like, when the French backed the Thirteen Colonies during the American Revolutionary War. But that's a long, long shot in this modern era, though.
The 1917 Russian Revolution isn't really a good example compared to the current U.S., because the conditions that caused that was because of overcrowding, destitute living conditions and costly wars. The government back then was different from our own. The peasants and industrial workers were under Imperial rule. So in order for the U.S. to have a Revolution like early 1900's Russia did, those kind of impoverished conditions need to happen first. That's means just about everybody in the U.S. is damn near starving and living in poor conditions with few government officials at the top having a "Let them eat cake" attitude. That's not going to happen so long as capitalism continues and some of the people in the U.S. are living well enough to not care about other people's revolution. Everybody has got to have skin in that scenario and feel the personal impact to want to fight. Too many rich people and people doing well here won't care.
Look this has always been a popular debate among gun right advocates and Trump supporters that claim it could happen if Trump gets impeached or doesn't get another 4 years in office, but the reality is - unless something like the two above instances happen, I hate to burst your bubble but it's a dream and smack talk at best. There has to be the right conditions in order for it to happen, and although anything is possible and your right, there is always a slim chance it could happen, it won't. Not in this day and age.
PG - China didn't back N. Korea. They backed the Communist take over of Korea. The USA stopping them created North and South Korea... thank goodness.
BTW I don't know a single conservative who's ever mentioned to me that if Trump were to be impeached (which he was but was aquitted) or if he were to lose in November (which I highly doubt) we should try to secede from the nation. I mean even Antsyvee admits it was in large part the lefties that were talking of secession in California after Trump won in 16. And it was the lefties in Quebec who came within an inch of seceding from Canada a few years back. As a matter of fact it was the Democrats in the south that seceded causing the first civil war in the US.
But back to my original question which has yet to be answered by anyone.
CUSA or LUSA? Which one would you choose?
even Antsyvee
LOL even me? I didn't know I was that infamous on here ;) But thanks!
CUSA or LUSA? Which one would you choose?
Neither. I choose the United Nation-States Under Vee. UNSUV...hmmm... that's kind of long. VeeLand? Vee's Dominion? hmmm, I'm gonna need to work on this...
MyNameIsTerry
15-05-20, 21:02
LOL even me? I didn't know I was that infamous on here ;) But thanks!
Neither. I choose the United Nation-States Under Vee. UNSUV...hmmm... that's kind of long. VeeLand? Vee's Dominion? hmmm, I'm gonna need to work on this...
Great Veeland :yesyes:
If we can add a nation that spans centre left and right then I would probably be there. I'm not sure which otherwise, it would depend on how far to each side their society was. If we were talking communist on one and far right capitalist on the other I would rather jump in the sea and get paddling in hope of an island.
MyNameIsTerry
15-05-20, 21:13
Regarding the point in the article concerning free trade zones and friendly relations take a look at our divorce from the EU. Messy, endless stalling tactics and tit for tat dummy throwing over breaking agreements.
I think you would see two warring bitter sides arguing on a foundation of all the old arguments despite being independent.
You would obviously weakens yourselves which presents the problem of China, the EU, etc who would be looking to throw their weight around trying to the you into red tape that right now you are far too big for. Just as the EU is trying with us right now.
PanickyGuy
15-05-20, 23:17
PG - China didn't back N. Korea. They backed the Communist take over of Korea. The USA stopping them created North and South Korea... thank goodness.
Naw man, you got some of that backwards. Here, look this up...
The Korean War - was a war between North Korea (with the support of China and the Soviet Union) and South Korea (with the support of the United Nations, principally from the United States). The war began on 25 June 1950 when North Korea invaded South Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War)
Unless you are one of those people thinks they are entitled to their own opinions as fact?
BTW I don't know a single conservative who's ever mentioned to me that if Trump were to be impeached (which he was but was aquitted) or if he were to lose in November (which I highly doubt) we should try to secede from the nation. I mean even Antsyvee admits it was in large part the lefties that were talking of secession in California after Trump won in 16. And it was the lefties in Quebec who came within an inch of seceding from Canada a few years back.
I didn't clarify enough, so this is on me, my bad - no I meant start a civil war or insurrection over the loss of gun rights or if Trump got removed from office or lost this November; which BTW the title of your thread seems to be misleading, if all you are going to be talking about is states seceding. And BTW, I highly doubted Trump would lose in November too, until this virus came along and "F"ed up the economy, but now, I don't know and you don't know for sure either. Because we mostly vote with our wallets and as that old saying goes, money talks and everything else walks. I don't see the economy getting back to the way it was before the virus hit us, by this November, so Trump might be screwed. So don't get your hopes up, is all I'm saying.
As a matter of fact it was the Democrats in the south that seceded causing the first civil war in the US.
Dude, come on. That's disingenuous. You know full well those Democrats back then are today's Republicans. They relabeled themselves over the years.
But back to my original question which has yet to be answered by anyone.
CUSA or LUSA? Which one would you choose?
I'm a Independent, I like things to stay in the middle or moderate. I wouldn't choose either. There are a lot of conservatives out there who want us to go back to the 1950's or even pre-Wilson era. And there are a lot of liberals out there who think we should become European Democratic socialist overnight. But I don't. Sometimes I vote Republican and sometimes I vote Democrat, it just depends on how moderate they are.
Dude, come on. That's disingenuous. You know full well those Democrats back then are today's Republicans. They relabeled themselves over the years.
I'm a Independent, I like things to stay in the middle or moderate. I wouldn't choose either. There are a lot of conservatives out there who want us to go back to the 1950's or even pre-Wilson era. And there are a lot of liberals out there who think we should become European Democratic socialist overnight. But I don't. Sometimes I vote Republican and sometimes I vote Democrat, it just depends on how moderate they are.
PG is right about political parties. The Confederate Democrats so have more in common with today’s Republican Party than today’s Democratic Party. Though neither party is an exact replica.
most Americans today are moderates. If you look at all the polls, most mix and match on the issues.
I wonder if instead of asking or hoping for secession, you might ask about the pros and cons of a two-party system?
But back to my original question which has yet to be answered by anyone.
CUSA or LUSA? Which one would you choose?
Doesn't matter because it won't happen :lac:
Positive thoughts
PanickyGuy
16-05-20, 03:13
PG is right about political parties. The Confederate Democrats so have more in common with today’s Republican Party than today’s Democratic Party. Though neither party is an exact replica.
Yeah it's an old false equivalency fallacy that I've seen a lot of hard right conservatives use many times against today's liberal/democrats, especially on the back and forth arguments about racial inequalities between the two parties. So it's a stab back at today's democrats or to make them look just as immoral in some way. And the reason why hard right conservatives pull that false equivalency fallacy, is because they know not too many people in the U.S. are educated enough about U.S. political party history or cares about it. And so, when some people hear that, they think - Oh yeah, it is those same guys that supported slavery and fought a civil war over it. Nope! Not the same people.
I'm not sure who on the conservative side came up with that one, but it's a slick argument tactic. Anyway I went back and did some research, just to see when the split of the Democrat party happened and I found this.
The Democrats also swept to large majorities in both houses of Congress and among state governors. Roosevelt altered the nature of the party, away from laissez-faire capitalism and towards an ideology of economic regulation and insurance against hardship. Two old words took on new meanings: "liberal" now meant a supporter of the New Deal while "conservative" meant an opponent.[70] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Democratic_Party#cite _note-70)
Conservative Democrats (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Democrat) were outraged and led by Al Smith (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Smith) they formed the American Liberty League (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Liberty_League) in 1934 and counterattacked. They failed and either retired from politics or joined the Republican Party. A few of them, such as Dean Acheson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Acheson), found their way back to the Democratic Party.[71] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Democratic_Party#cite _note-71)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Democratic_Party
Ah so that's what and who caused the political switch and when it finally happened. Interesting, because I thought it happened sometime before Roosevelt.
Yes, that’s accurate, PG.
MyNameIsTerry
16-05-20, 04:47
And there are a lot of liberals out there who think we should become European Democratic socialist overnight. But I don't. Sometimes I vote Republican and sometimes I vote Democrat, it just depends on how moderate they are.
This one always confuses me and I think it's more an American impression of us. The UK have recently rejected a big push to socialism. Countries like France and Germany may look liberal too but there areas where they are less so than we are. The EU may look liberal but it was based on trade and always aims to look after the company bosses.
As Vee mentioned we tend to have a mixture. So we have a welfare state. There are plenty who would do away with it but the swing voters and moderates matter here. Neither hard left or right can win anything as they are a smaller group. In recent years, as the two main parties have lurched further away from the centre, they have suffered for it.
Well, that’s what I mentioned to N before, Terry. All-or-nothing thinking and generalizations don’t do a lot of good when it comes to people and their societies. A lot of times the labels just serve to divide us further rather than unite us.
PanickyGuy
16-05-20, 09:43
This one always confuses me and I think it's more an American impression of us. The UK have recently rejected a big push to socialism. Countries like France and Germany may look liberal too but there areas where they are less so than we are. The EU may look liberal but it was based on trade and always aims to look after the company bosses.
As Vee mentioned we tend to have a mixture. So we have a welfare state. There are plenty who would do away with it but the swing voters and moderates matter here. Neither hard left or right can win anything as they are a smaller group. In recent years, as the two main parties have lurched further away from the centre, they have suffered for it.
I may be wrong in adding the word "European" in front of "Democratic socialism". But here is the thing - they definitely tried to teach and inspire Democratic socialism in a lot of college classes here in the U.S. As a matter a of fact, I once had a Sociology professor who talked about it all the time in class and he called it "Democratic socialism". He'd even have us take tests on the subject, once in a while. That was a long time ago for me, but it's now being taught and influenced more then ever in most U.S. colleges.
Now, here is the other thing, we now have senators like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who preach about Democratic socialism all the time, and to back them up is at least one political news organization named The Young Turks or TYT. At least that's the biggest one I know of.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Turks
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Turks)So what these three want and their followers (mostly the younger generations), is the same thing that most European countries have - Banned guns, free healthcare/medicare for all, free college, higher wages, wages while being unemployed no matter under what circumstances, very strict anti-pollution laws, and of course higher taxes on the rich here in the U.S. and they want it to stay that way, forever. And from their perspective, the rest of us too, most European countries have that, right? Hence why they and the rest of us over here in the U.S. call it Democratic socialism. I personally added the European part because, well, that's where they're looking at. As in - we should have the same political structure as they have in Europe by now - type of thought process.
But on top of all that, I guess there could be more confusion because these three and their followers really don't call themselves liberals either, even though they support some liberals in the Dem party in the U.S. (depends on how far those libs lean left) But Bernie Sanders actually calls himself a Democratic socialist, not a liberal, Yet Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and TYT call themselves "Progressives" not liberals. But to a lot of us over here in the middle, moderate, and to all the right leaning conservatives, the rest of us altogether see these particular three as socialist that want Democratic socialism, particular the kind you got over in Europe. Well see, based on our country being mostly capitalists, with some meager social welfare programs, and even those are a pain to get on I might add because hard right leaning capitalist try damndest to discourage it, a lot people here who are Independent, moderate right, leaning right, and even some who lean left, but are moderate left, well that type of social political ideology just rubs them the wrong way and they fear it. And as they often say - Well that's socialism and we won't tolerate it! But that speech mostly comes out of the mouths of conservative righties/Republicans while the rest of us think it, but don't say it. Because most of us middle of the road moderates or independents believe we should at least have some social welfare programs. like national universal healthcare.
I hope that helps clarify some things, maybe? I'm not sure of any other way to explain why a lot of us over here in the U.S. think Europe is mostly made up of Democratic socialist.
Edit to add: I guess what I'm trying to say in a nutshell, it's your social programs, which we don't have and is just foreign to a lot us over here in the U.S., yet it's been rising in popularity with some groups over here in the U.S. If that makes anymore sense?
Naw man, you got some of that backwards. Here, look this up...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War)
Unless you are one of those people thinks they are entitled to their own opinions as fact?
I didn't clarify enough, so this is on me, my bad - no I meant start a civil war or insurrection over the loss of gun rights or if Trump got removed from office or lost this November; which BTW the title of your thread seems to be misleading, if all you are going to be talking about is states seceding. And BTW, I highly doubted Trump would lose in November too, until this virus came along and "F"ed up the economy, but now, I don't know and you don't know for sure either. Because we mostly vote with our wallets and as that old saying goes, money talks and everything else walks. I don't see the economy getting back to the way it was before the virus hit us, by this November, so Trump might be screwed. So don't get your hopes up, is all I'm saying.
Dude, come on. That's disingenuous. You know full well those Democrats back then are today's Republicans. They relabeled themselves over the years.
I'm a Independent, I like things to stay in the middle or moderate. I wouldn't choose either. There are a lot of conservatives out there who want us to go back to the 1950's or even pre-Wilson era. And there are a lot of liberals out there who think we should become European Democratic socialist overnight. But I don't. Sometimes I vote Republican and sometimes I vote Democrat, it just depends on how moderate they are.
What are you talking about? Yesterday's Democrats are today's Republicans? Nice try. who pushed the civil Rights act through the Congress in 1964? The Republicans. The guy who shot Kennedy, Lee Harvey Oswald was a Socialist Democrat btw - same as Bernie. Senator Robert Byrd who served from 1959 to 2010 (that's pretty recent) was once a Klan recruiter. The Klan was the militaristic wing of the Democrat party and you know it...the party of FDR and Truman when the KKK was going strong. The Democrat party has kept the black community on their urban plantations for 60 years. The Democrats own the inner city machines throughout the nation. Like Trump said in 16...give us a try what do you have to lose? Well they gave him a try. Under President Trump the black community (pre-covid) has seen it's lowest unemployment in the history of the country.
I highly doubt you're an independent.. there's really no such thing PG. I'm not a Republican. I'm a conservative. And believe me I fully expect Trump to win a second term. Once he starts hitting the campaign trail and voicing why we need to get US companies out of communist China and is it really a good idea to have open borders in the era of Covid? And who's more qualified to get the economy going again than Trump? I expect he's going to pitch a new round of tax cuts for the working class to boost revenue as well. And oh those rallies of his... because they're coming back ya know.
But you got me on Korea... I'll give you that.
BTW Did you know the man Mohammed Ali was named after was a Kentucky politician?
Cassius Clay...a Republican.
Oh yeah and also Jackie Robinson...the guy who broke the color barrier in Major League Baseball...a Republican.
The Dems love to rewrite history.
The guy who shot Lincoln...a Democrat...and an actor btw...a two time loser.
Yes, but that doesn't mean all dems today would shoot Lincoln, N. Plus, he's already dead ;)
Didn't I see a comedienne a few years ago holding a severed head of Donald Trump?
Hey PG plus headlines like this can't be helping your cause.
Biden Campaign to Latinos: Yeah, We Don't Need You to Beat Trump
Yes, but that doesn't mean all dems today would shoot Lincoln, N. Plus, he's already dead ;)
What are you still doing up young lady?
Oh yeah you're way out there in Caliphoneya... I'm the one that's up late.
Didn't I see a comedienne a few years ago holding a severed head of Donald Trump?
That wasn't me...but give me some time, I might be able to make that happen for you once I take over ;) I didn't know you were into that kinda thing ;)
MyNameIsTerry
17-05-20, 05:01
Well, that’s what I mentioned to N before, Terry. All-or-nothing thinking and generalizations don’t do a lot of good when it comes to people and their societies. A lot of times the labels just serve to divide us further rather than unite us.
If you take the politics out of it and forget about labels most people just want the basics to get on in life. Like you say, the labels just divide people to pitch them against each other when many of them want similar things.
I remember taking one of those online political compass tests a while back. I came out centre right on the graph but quite close go the centre. My beliefs sit on either side of that shifting line. Having a social healthcare system will put many of us Brits around the centre as will our social benefits system.
Better to have wide ranging ideas than a narrow scope of knowledge.
PanickyGuy - thanks, yes, that does explain it to me but I'll come back with a better response when I've got a bit more time later.
MyNameIsTerry
17-05-20, 05:05
That wasn't me...but give me some time, I might be able to make that happen for you once I take over ;) I didn't know you were into that kinda thing ;)
Are you considering going down the heads on stakes route then, Vee https://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/religion/t0821.gif
Well, no. I mean, Frank wants me to nuke something...so I gotta do that. And I was thinking more the route of re-education camps, I mean, I am a teacher after all. But if I can make Noivous happy with one severed head...I mean, I gotta try right? :yesyes:
That wasn't me...but give me some time, I might be able to make that happen for you once I take over ;) I didn't know you were into that kinda thing ;)
Well... severed heads is a little bit extreme for me... how bout severed clothes instead? I hate pain... especially mine.
Awww, okay, N. Severed clothes? That sounds kinda kinky ;)
Just a little...but please be careful.😳
It's okay N, your wife has nothing to worry about. I look, but don't touch. ;)
Good night Vee. Hope all is well in LUSA.
Sleep well friend.😴
It's good here. We got cookies!
PanickyGuy
17-05-20, 05:38
What are you talking about? Yesterday's Democrats are today's Republicans? Nice try. who pushed the civil Rights act through the Congress in 1964? The Republicans. The guy who shot Kennedy, Lee Harvey Oswald was a Socialist Democrat btw - same as Bernie. Senator Robert Byrd who served from 1959 to 2010 (that's pretty recent) was once a Klan recruiter. The Klan was the militaristic wing of the Democrat party and you know it...the party of FDR and Truman when the KKK was going strong. The Democrat party has kept the black community on their urban plantations for 60 years. The Democrats own the inner city machines throughout the nation. Like Trump said in 16...give us a try what do you have to lose? Well they gave him a try. Under President Trump the black community (pre-covid) has seen it's lowest unemployment in the history of the country.
I highly doubt you're an independent.. there's really no such thing PG. I'm not a Republican. I'm a conservative. And believe me I fully expect Trump to win a second term. Once he starts hitting the campaign trail and voicing why we need to get US companies out of communist China and is it really a good idea to have open borders in the era of Covid? And who's more qualified to get the economy going again than Trump? I expect he's going to pitch a new round of tax cuts for the working class to boost revenue as well. And oh those rallies of his... because they're coming back ya know.
But you got me on Korea... I'll give you that.
BTW Did you know the man Mohammed Ali was named after was a Kentucky politician?
Cassius Clay...a Republican.
Oh yeah and also Jackie Robinson...the guy who broke the color barrier in Major League Baseball...a Republican.
The Dems love to rewrite history.
The guy who shot Lincoln...a Democrat...and an actor btw...a two time loser.
Didn't I see a comedienne a few years ago holding a severed head of Donald Trump?
Hey PG plus headlines like this can't be helping your cause.
Biden Campaign to Latinos: Yeah, We Don't Need You to Beat Trump
Lol. Good lord! What was it I said that made you go all off on a multi-posting rant like this?
PG, he gets cranky sometimes. It's all that Fox News. It angers up the blood ;)
PanickyGuy
17-05-20, 06:01
PG, he gets cranky sometimes. It's all that Fox News. It angers up the blood ;)
Lol. Yeah I know. I've seen firsthand how some of the talking heads on Fox News will rile up some people. One day, some years back when Obama was still in office, I saw my 75 year old mother cursing Obama being quoted by Fox News. Fox News of course twisted the truth of what Obama said, but she didn't care she just hated him. It was the first time I saw her do that, talk to the TV like that. Lol. It was one of those WTF moments. Because I was like - :doh:But he can't hear you mother!
Anyway, that's all I said and walked away.
Lol have you seen the Simpsons episode when Homer watches Fox News and some Alex Jones knock-off, and then starts his own angry show and gets guys to wear gravy boats on their heads? Then he endorses Ted Nugent for president. Classic.
It's good here. We got cookies!
We could share some of those cookies:winks:Maybe give a few too N.:wacko:
N only gets some if he dares to venture over onto our side... ;)
PanickyGuy
17-05-20, 21:22
Lol have you seen the Simpsons episode when Homer watches Fox News and some Alex Jones knock-off, and then starts his own angry show and gets guys to wear gravy boats on their heads? Then he endorses Ted Nugent for president. Classic.
You know what? I don't recall seeing that episode. I'll have to find that one and watch it. :)
LMAO :roflmao:
What also cracks me up is how "conservative" Fox News is, yet Fox the TV network is known for it's raunchy shows.
No no no the best Simpsons episode of all time is when Homer crosses a tomato with tobacco and creates Tomaco.
Marge: Homer maybe your farm needs more fertilizer.
Homer: Marge, I'm only one man.
But you all have fox news all wrong. They're not a conservative news outlet. They don't even like Trump. I don't watch it, I don't even get it. My cable bill is $11 a month. But I digress, Fox news is a neocon station a total RINO station along the lines of George W Bush.
Now that's not the talk shows like Hannity... he's great. But fox news is really just another msm outlet.
I do love the Tomacco episode!!
I put conservative in quotation marks. :p
You have to admit though N, Trump needs to take a class on public speaking. His press conferences make George W. look like a genius in comparison.
There are some classic Simpsons episodes as well as South Park. Heck, even Spongebob Squarepants has some political and adult subject matter. I remember watching it with my kids when they were little and laughing my rear off at the jokes that totally went over the kids heads.
Positive thoughts and Crabby Patties!
Yeah, I really like the satire in South Park, but then after they’ve made their point they just get too gross for me sometimes. Family Guy too. I know I joke about horrible things, but Family Guy goes the furthest, but a lot of times without making it a point. I love the episode of South Park where they pay homage to the Simpsons and the episode where they make fun of Family Guys randomness.
I do love the Tomacco episode!!
I put conservative in quotation marks. :p
You have to admit though N, Trump needs to take a class on public speaking. His press conferences make George W. look like a genius in comparison.
You mean George W fighter jet pilot, Yale graduate, Harvard graduate, first two consecutive 4 year term governor of Texas, only president with an MBA, two term president of the United States...that George W.?
Yes. You looking for a gold star, N? Sorry to disappoint, but I don't teach little kids ;)
MyNameIsTerry
19-05-20, 04:31
Yeah, I really like the satire in South Park, but then after they’ve made their point they just get too gross for me sometimes. Family Guy too. I know I joke about horrible things, but Family Guy goes the furthest, but a lot of times without making it a point. I love the episode of South Park where they pay homage to the Simpsons and the episode where they make fun of Family Guys randomness.
I always prefer American Dad.
You mean George W fighter jet pilot, Yale graduate, Harvard graduate, first two consecutive 4 year term governor of Texas, only president with an MBA, two term president of the United States...that George W.?
Yep that one,along with brother Jeb had the highest Death row killings in their States.Trump makes him look real smart.:winks:
Yes. You looking for a gold star, N? Sorry to disappoint, but I don't teach little kids ;)
Well maybe you should teach them. They're very honest. Maybe you could learn something from them!😆
Yep that one,along with brother Jeb had the highest Death row killings in their States.Trump makes him look real smart.:winks:
You know the death penalty is one issue I haven't come down on a side. It does seem very strange for a bunch of people to come together for the sole purpose of ending a human life. Then again what do you do with a guy like Westley Allan Dodd?
Homer: The boy's not going to be 10 forever, Marge.
Yeah, I really like the satire in South Park, but then after they’ve made their point they just get too gross for me sometimes. Family Guy too. I know I joke about horrible things, but Family Guy goes the furthest, but a lot of times without making it a point. I love the episode of South Park where they pay homage to the Simpsons and the episode where they make fun of Family Guys randomness.
Vee! Finally we can agree on something...I think. I've seen Family Guy of course and it can be very funny but it can also be very cruel. And I just can't stand cruelty. I never got into South Park but I suspect it's very similar.
I've always found that South Park is the most humane of the three shows - I can't watch Family Guy or American Dad because of their inherent cruelty, but I've noticed South Park has an underlying decency and generosity that sets it apart, or at least it used to when last I watched.
N only gets some if he dares to venture over onto our side... ;)
Oh boy...LOLa and Vee trying to lure me with their cookies...now I know how Caesar felt...stay strong N stay strong...
You mean George W fighter jet pilot, Yale graduate, Harvard graduate, first two consecutive 4 year term governor of Texas, only president with an MBA, two term president of the United States...that George W.?I liked George W and his father. George W may not have been the best speaker at times lol (he even made several jokes about that himself) but I loved the personality and the don't mess with Texas (or our country) [emoji6] attitude. He gets a bad a rap alot but sure beat the two terms of "autopilot" our country stayed on after the next two elections. This country went south with a quickness during that time. I wouldve much rather had someone who just happened not to be the best public speaker. I can definitely relate to that problem as I am the absolute worst at it. [emoji1745]
The funny thing is I was raised a southern Democrat. I voted for President George W twice and have voted Republican since...as have my parents. Unless things changed drastically with the Dems that be, that won't be changing.
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I always prefer American Dad.I really like American Dad. Is this written by Seth McFarland?
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I liked George W and his father. George W may not have been the best speaker at times lol (he even made several jokes about that himself) but I loved the personality and the don't mess with Texas (or our country) [emoji6] attitude. He gets a bad a rap alot but sure beat the two terms of "autopilot" our country stayed on after the next two elections. This country went south with a quickness during that time. I wouldve much rather had someone who just happened not to be the best public speaker. I can definitely relate to that problem as I am the absolute worst at it. [emoji1745]
The funny thing is I was raised a southern Democrat. I voted for President George W twice and have voted Republican since...as have my parents. Unless things changed drastically with the Dems that be, that won't be changing.
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...be still my heart 😍
Oh boy...LOLa and Vee trying to lure me with their cookies...now I know how Caesar felt...stay strong N stay strong...
They are good cookies N.:winks: I reckon after a few you will see the light.
Just like Ole Hank sang....I saw the Light.:D
He has another song called your cheatin heart! Stay strong... stay strong...
:roflmao:Who sang that song Tempted N.
Yeah, N, aren't you married? Isn't your wife (G-d bless her soul) a nurse? And she has the patience of a saint, obviously! ;)
No, George W. wasn't the best public speaker, but Trump makes him look like a professional! Trump is sooooooo bad at speaking. I cringe at all of his press conferences, even before the reporters start asking him questions. It's not even the content of what he says (although I usually don't approve of that), it's how he says things. I'd buy him a thesaurus and send it to him if I actually thought he'd use it.
Reporters? They're not reporters they're operatives. And he knows it. That's why he treats them with contempt. And rightfully so.
LOL That wasn't my point, N. Regardless what you think about the reporters, Trump sucks at public speaking.
Yeah, N, aren't you married? Isn't your wife (G-d bless her soul) a nurse? And she has the patience of a saint, obviously! ;)
I am married...why do you ask?
LOL That wasn't my point, N. Regardless what you think about the reporters, Trump sucks at public speaking.
At least he's not "nuanced" like Obama...he thought we had 57 states.
I am married...why do you ask?
Just making sure I had my facts straight.
At least he's not "nuanced" like Obama...he thought we had 57 states.
I'm not discussing Obama. I'm discussing Trump. He sucks at public speaking. But if you want me to rate Obama and Trump, then yes, I think Trump is a worse public speaker than Obama.
N, be honest here...do you really believe Trump is perfect at everything?
MyNameIsTerry
19-05-20, 21:17
I am married...why do you ask?
Get your coat you've pulled :winks:
MyNameIsTerry
19-05-20, 21:21
I'm not discussing Obama. I'm discussing Trump. He sucks at public speaking. But if you want me to rate Obama and Trump, then yes, I think Trump is a worse public speaker than Obama.
N, be honest here...do you really believe Trump is perfect at everything?
True. However a lot would groan at yet again another political android professionally coached on the right hand movements and when to turn the tears on (like Tony Blair). How many would prefer someone less slimy than most politicians?
But that doesn't mean they are bad speakers if they aren't coached. Bad speakers should realise they need to up their game.
MyNameIsTerry
19-05-20, 21:25
I really like American Dad. Is this written by Seth McFarland?
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Yep, it is.
Team America: World Police was good if we get into the films (not Seth though, it's the South Park guy). The Film Actors Guild made me laugh. Preachy Hollywood actors? Surely not :winks:
Pamplemousse
19-05-20, 21:55
I'm not discussing Obama. I'm discussing Trump. He sucks at public speaking. But if you want me to rate Obama and Trump, then yes, I think Trump is a worse public speaker than Obama.
ITYM 'President Plump', as Twitter is having a field day with at the moment :roflmao:
Trump's verbal skills are non-existent, that's why I just cannot listen to him. He speaks like he's speaking to a six-year old and has a non-existent vocabulary. But hey, he was chosen by the electoral college to be your president.
Get your coat you've pulled :winks:
I’m not sure we Americans know what that means, Terry :shrug:
Just making sure I had my facts straight.
Why? Have I done anything untoward?
I'm always the perfect gentleman you know that. 😘
I'm not discussing Obama. I'm discussing Trump. He sucks at public speaking. But if you want me to rate Obama and Trump, then yes, I think Trump is a worse public speaker than Obama.
N, be honest here...do you really believe Trump is perfect at everything?
No!
ITYM 'President Plump', as Twitter is having a field day with at the moment :roflmao:
Trump's verbal skills are non-existent, that's why I just cannot listen to him. He speaks like he's speaking to a six-year old and has a non-existent vocabulary. But hey, he was chosen by the electoral college to be your president.
And yours.
I hope you're not one of those... Not my president... People
Vee... Serious question here. I'm curious what subject(s) do you teach? Because whatever it is I may be picking your brain on it. I like to have a reliable resource I can go to when need be.
Why? Have I done anything untoward?
I'm always the perfect gentleman you know that.
LOL No. But I talk to so many people on here, at times I just need to make sure I have all the details correct in the file, so to speak.
Vee... Serious question here. I'm curious what subject(s) do you teach? Because whatever it is I may be picking your brain on it. I like to have a reliable resource I can go to when need be.
I PM'ed you.
...be still my heart [emoji7][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]. Its nice to have someone who agrees with me!
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MyNameIsTerry
20-05-20, 01:07
I’m not sure we Americans know what that means, Terry :shrug:
Really? How do you guys have kids??? :winks:
Pulled = scored or found acceptable enough to go out with by womanhood :biggrin:
They say that Americans have a hard time understanding Scots, but I comprehend them fine. Sometimes, I swear Terry, you are speaking a new language LOL
MyNameIsTerry
20-05-20, 04:14
And I'm not even speaking my local dialect. :biggrin:
I often wonder how our films come across over there. We are often portrayed as Hugh Grant types being all posh do it must be a real eye opener seeing the real Brits. A film like The Full Monty is a good example.
I know a lot of people from the UK, so I don't think I'm the one to ask. When I listen to one of your speakers, I can tell apart these categories: Scotland, Manchester, London/Southern England, Cornwall. I know some Americans that can't tell Irish, from Scottish from English. Hell, there are a lot of Americans that couldn't even tell you what countries make up the UK LOL
But you do say some colloquial phrases and idioms that I've never heard before. This isn't the first time. Many times I've had to sit there and think, "Wait, what's he saying?" So what part of the UK are you from? (you've probably told me, and I've forgotten, sorry!) And what curse words are you going to teach me?
MyNameIsTerry
20-05-20, 04:36
It's bad enough if you live here. I remember once getting a lift to a meeting off the site top boss and referred to him coming through his home region to which he sharply reacted because he was from slightly further north and there is rivalry between the regions, often due to football.
When I was a young lad in my first job they were showing around a new senior manager from Liverpool. I made an enemy that day when he turned to me and said "oh you're a Scouser like me" and my reply of no was emphasised just a bit too strongly :roflmao:
I'm from the Midlands. You might know my city, Stoke-On-Trent, as The Potteries where the old pottery industry emerged from the industrial revolution. Americans like our pottery so I expect a fair few know us if not much about us.
I think our local swear words are all very tame stuff found all over the country e.g. bugger, bloody, b0ll0cks, etc. We got modernised into F words later :roflmao: We call each other mate, love or duck mostly. Words like can't are pronounced con'na, don't is dun'na, can you is cost'the, broke is bost, old is owd (pronounced owed). Older versions of our dialect would have ball as bow, wall as whoa, for example. The older stuff isn't used much nowadays but if you wanted to hear it Google Owd Granddad Piggott for an example of comedy that used it along with a broader Potteries accent. There shouldn't, or should that be 'shunt', anything rude in it.
I would struggle with many of yours. Is it still a firing squad if we mislabel you with Canadians? :biggrin:
I know where the Midlands are, but I’ve never been up there.
Yeah, I know most of your curse words already. I just thought there might be new ones. Can’t blame a gal for wanting to learn, right? ;). Besides, in history when I have my students pretend they’re American colonists and write to parliament (circa 1773) I let them use British curse words lol
We have our sports rivalries here too. Even between teams in the same damn city lol.
I dont mind being mislabeled as a Canadian, but some people do, and Canadians think we’re idiots. What was hard for British people to understand is that why we aren’t all “yanks”. People not from the Northeast get really offended by that, especially Southerners. Brits seem to think Southern American accents are cute, but most Americans not from the South find them annoying.
https://www.babbel.com/en/magazine/american-accent-quiz
this quiz is pretty accurate for us
MyNameIsTerry
20-05-20, 05:23
Yes, I think that annoyance is likely the case for some closer to our capital. It's the old yokel issue.
I suspect a lot of us see you guys as southern or not southern due to the drawl we easily identify. Determining where those southerners are from is another matter like you working out whether someone is a georgie, maccam, etc.
I rarely use our dialect other than odd words in sentences just as any accent does. We do drop a lot of the H the stronger the accent.
You use your dialect in a lot of jokes, especially when you are reminiscing with your fellow countrymen about TV, usually. That’s when it takes me a minute to figure out what you’re saying. But once in awhile you stump me lol
And I'm not even speaking my local dialect. [emoji3]
I often wonder how our films come across over there. We are often portrayed as Hugh Grant types being all posh do it must be a real eye opener seeing the real Brits. A film like The Full Monty is a good example.
Full Monty was great! I apologize for elbowing my way in on this conversation y'all lol I personally think you're right..that's kind of how the British are portrayed here. Somewhat like Hugh Grant. It's a good way to describe it. It makes me smile to think the Full Monty is more accurate. I can't tell you how many times I went back and watched the movie.
You were talking about the old way of talking. I'm from the American south where we are known to have a much different way of sounding compared to most of the country. I type and text much different than I sound. Surely you have seen this portrayed in Hollywood (the only problem is I don't recall ever hearing an accurate attempt at a southern accent in Hollywood...its usually pretty way off base)
I think back to school and how difficult it probably was for our English teachers. You had a whole classroom full of kids who were raised to sound this way and you're trying to correct so many things lol
I was talking to a woman from Boston and she noticed my southern accent and asked where I'm from. That started a whole conversation about it. Turns out she took years of speech and language and said she learned that southern people speak more like the old English than anywhere else in our country. I was surprised by that and it piqued my interest. I would like to look into it more.
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I know where the Midlands are, but I’ve never been up there.
Yeah, I know most of your curse words already. I just thought there might be new ones. Can’t blame a gal for wanting to learn, right? ;). Besides, in history when I have my students pretend they’re American colonists and write to parliament (circa 1773) I let them use British curse words lol
We have our sports rivalries here too. Even between teams in the same damn city lol.
I dont mind being mislabeled as a Canadian, but some people do, and Canadians think we’re idiots. What was hard for British people to understand is that why we aren’t all “yanks”. People not from the Northeast get really offended by that, especially Southerners. Brits seem to think Southern American accents are cute, but most Americans not from the South find them annoying.Do they really find us annoying up north? Lol I've never had anyone complain. Anytime I've been up north or out west people have loved it. I've been approached several times about it and it's so funny to me. I think I sound perfectly normal and people just want me to repeat something so they can hear it again. The way I sound is amusing to them and the fact it is so amusing to them amuses me in return lol
I do know some people from up north can't understand us sometimes and I totally get that after I travel around and notice how different we do sound. Sometimes to me I think the way they talk takes too long bc we aren't used to enunciating everything. (Our lazy tongue as it's been described) lol
My dad had a woman say please just talk to me. I find your accent so relaxing. I think we sound more rounded off and not so blunted? Maybe that's why.
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Pamplemousse
20-05-20, 13:40
I know where the Midlands are, but I’ve never been up there.
Yeah, I know most of your curse words already. I just thought there might be new ones. Can’t blame a gal for wanting to learn, right? ;). Besides, in history when I have my students pretend they’re American colonists and write to parliament (circa 1773) I let them use British curse words lol
We have our sports rivalries here too. Even between teams in the same damn city lol.
One British curse word that a lot of people think is a mild one is 'berk'. Until you realise it's rhyming slang - it's a shortened version of 'Berkeley Hunt'.
Best rivalries I can think of: Sunderland/Newcastle, Hull/Grimsby. Most amusing one is Peterborough and Northampton, who can't agree on the pronunciation of the river that links them:roflmao: (for the record, 'Nene' rhymes with 'spleen' in Peterborough, and rhymes with 'wren' in Northampton)
Do they really find us annoying up north? Lol I've never had anyone complain. Anytime I've been up north or out west people have loved it. I've been approached several times about it and it's so funny to me. I think I sound perfectly normal and people just want me to repeat something so they can hear it again. The way I sound is amusing to them and the fact it is so amusing to them amuses me in return lol
I do know some people from up north can't understand us sometimes and I totally get that after I travel around and notice how different we do sound. Sometimes to me I think the way they talk takes too long bc we aren't used to enunciating everything. (Our lazy tongue as it's been described) lol
My dad had a woman say please just talk to me. I find your accent so relaxing. I think we sound more rounded off and not so blunted? Maybe that's why.
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Maybe the annoyance with the Southern and Midwestern accents are a West Coast or California thing. I have a bit of a southern midwest accent because I spent some time back there in my formative years, and it usually only comes out when I'm very tired or have had too much to drink. Everyone makes fun of me and has told me on several occasions that it's annoying. Or maybe it's just me LOL I've also had friends from back East come to visit, and people have asked, "Does she talk like that all the time?"
See I think that the native West Coast people talk much faster than people from the Midwest and South. I know I have a much slower speech pattern than the Westies, and I tend to pause more in my speech. The Midwesterners definitely have more a slower drawl.
Maybe the annoyance with the Southern and Midwestern accents are a West Coast or California thing. I have a bit of a southern midwest accent because I spent some time back there in my formative years, and it usually only comes out when I'm very tired or have had too much to drink. Everyone makes fun of me and has told me on several occasions that it's annoying. Or maybe it's just me LOL I've also had friends from back East come to visit, and people have asked, "Does she talk like that all the time?"
See I think that the native West Coast people talk much faster than people from the Midwest and South. I know I have a much slower speech pattern than the Westies, and I tend to pause more in my speech. The Midwesterners definitely have more a slower drawl.I know what you mean about the accent getting heavier when you're tired or drinking I notice it more when I'm mad too for some reason. The filter must disappear at those times lol
I tried to enunciate more when I conducted meetings at work. Not to try to be someone I am not but bc unfortunately some hear a heavy accent from here and assume ur not as educated (my boyfriend always says "there's nothing slow about me but the way I talk" [emoji23] ) but if I didn't really concentrate or got in a hurry it would come through pretty strong. The strange thing is I worked in the next county over. About 30 minutes from where I was raised. You can tell a difference in the way we talk from just that distance. It's so strange. Their accent isnt quite as heavy as ours. They also liked to joke with me about being from "the woods" and that they're afraid to come through here even though we are so close in distance. It was all in jest and we had a good time ribbing each other about it.
Hope you're doing well AntsyVee. Have a good rest of your night [emoji4]
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MyNameIsTerry
21-05-20, 04:05
I've also had friends from back East come to visit, and people have asked, "Does she talk like that all the time?"
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Was it all the swearing? :ohmy:
MyNameIsTerry
21-05-20, 04:11
One British curse word that a lot of people think is a mild one is 'berk'. Until you realise it's rhyming slang - it's a shortened version of 'Berkeley Hunt'.
Best rivalries I can think of: Sunderland/Newcastle, Hull/Grimsby. Most amusing one is Peterborough and Northampton, who can't agree on the pronunciation of the river that links them:roflmao: (for the record, 'Nene' rhymes with 'spleen' in Peterborough, and rhymes with 'wren' in Northampton)
Remember football in the last millennium? (now I sound so old the Hovis ad music should be playing :biggrin:) Crazy times. But Rangers and Celtic are just on another level.
As for swear words I think git gets a lot of use around here. But at school some of watched Red Dwarf so our swear words extended to 'goit', 'smeghead' and 'simple minded gimboid' :yesyes:
I know what you mean about the accent getting heavier when you're tired or drinking I notice it more when I'm mad too for some reason. The filter must disappear at those times lol
I tried to enunciate more when I conducted meetings at work. Not to try to be someone I am not but bc unfortunately some hear a heavy accent from here and assume ur not as educated (my boyfriend always says "there's nothing slow about me but the way I talk" [emoji23] ) but if I didn't really concentrate or got in a hurry it would come through pretty strong. The strange thing is I worked in the next county over. About 30 minutes from where I was raised. You can tell a difference in the way we talk from just that distance. It's so strange. Their accent isnt quite as heavy as ours. They also liked to joke with me about being from "the woods" and that they're afraid to come through here even though we are so close in distance. It was all in jest and we had a good time ribbing each other about it.
Hope you're doing well AntsyVee. Have a good rest of your night [emoji4]
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LOL Yes, well that's why I try to make sure my accent doesn't come out because people do assume that you are uneducated.
I'm doing well! Hope you are too! :hugs:
Was it all the swearing? :ohmy:
Swearing is an art form, I'll have you know :P
MyNameIsTerry
21-05-20, 04:15
You use your dialect in a lot of jokes, especially when you are reminiscing with your fellow countrymen about TV, usually. That’s when it takes me a minute to figure out what you’re saying. But once in awhile you stump me lol
'Ay up, duck. (Or hello in a real language)
I never even notice using it in jokes. I'll have to go back and read some posts. Maybe I will be thinking whats this plonker on about?
A lot of the time the jokes are going to be a bit in-house due to things that have happened over here or in the media. I know I sometimes have that problem with US stuff.
'Ay up, duck. (Or hello in a real language)
I never even notice using it in jokes. I'll have to go back and read some posts. Maybe I will be thinking whats this plonker on about?
A lot of the time the jokes are going to be a bit in-house due to things that have happened over here or in the media. I know I sometimes have that problem with US stuff.
It's fine, Terry. I'm just giving you a hard time. I can usually figure out what you're saying, but once in a while, you pull a fast one on me.
I think we Americans have it easy because so much of our TV and movies are watched worldwide.
MyNameIsTerry
21-05-20, 04:19
Swearing is an art form, I'll have you know :P
F#@king A! :roflmao:
You're getting better, Terry. I still have so much to teach you ;)
MyNameIsTerry
21-05-20, 05:19
Full Monty was great! I apologize for elbowing my way in on this conversation y'all lol I personally think you're right..that's kind of how the British are portrayed here. Somewhat like Hugh Grant. It's a good way to describe it. It makes me smile to think the Full Monty is more accurate. I can't tell you how many times I went back and watched the movie.
You were talking about the old way of talking. I'm from the American south where we are known to have a much different way of sounding compared to most of the country. I type and text much different than I sound. Surely you have seen this portrayed in Hollywood (the only problem is I don't recall ever hearing an accurate attempt at a southern accent in Hollywood...its usually pretty way off base)
I think back to school and how difficult it probably was for our English teachers. You had a whole classroom full of kids who were raised to sound this way and you're trying to correct so many things lol
I was talking to a woman from Boston and she noticed my southern accent and asked where I'm from. That started a whole conversation about it. Turns out she took years of speech and language and said she learned that southern people speak more like the old English than anywhere else in our country. I was surprised by that and it piqued my interest. I would like to look into it more.
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I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it, whome. It's a great film. That's what many would regard as the real UK. Change the accents around where ever you go across here and working class regions are like that.
We tend to be portrayed with posh accents (Hugh Grant, Daniel Craig, Ralph Fiennes, etc) or London accents (Vinnie Jones, Jason Statham, etc you will probably know straight away). Geordie accents are popular on TV and I wonder if they are over there? You've probably come across Liverpudlian accents like in the film 51st State. I bet you've seen plenty of Scottish and Irish actors too.
Pamplemousse
21-05-20, 09:53
Remember football in the last millennium? (now I sound so old the Hovis ad music should be playing :biggrin:) Crazy times. But Rangers and Celtic are just on another level.
Good God, that was a sectarian battle fought on the football pitch :scared15:
LOL Yes, well that's why I try to make sure my accent doesn't come out because people do assume that you are uneducated.
I'm doing well! Hope you are too! :hugs:
Poe or Falkner didn't try to hide their accents, Vee.😁
Or Capote for that matter.
Id rather slit my wrist with a spoon before reading more Faulkner. Poe and Capote I like, but Poe wound up dead in a ditch and Capote overdosed. I think I’ll go my own route, TY.
After I read my post back I hope I in no way insuinuated that I am ashamed of the way I talk by enunciating more for meetings. I'm very proud of where I am from and also the way I talk. It's who I am [emoji4] and where I came from. It is true, however, that some do prejudge when they hear this accent. Not fair but u know...[emoji1745] Just human nature I guess. For some reason I felt like I needed to clarify that as soon as I posted last night but didn't go back and do it til today.
It was probably easier for people to understand the material I was presenting too lol I have listened to myself on recording before and thought oh my gosh...do I really sound like that?? Lol has anyone else ever done this?
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Oh yes, whome. I have to record myself all the time, and since I'm trying to teach kids how to speak correctly, that's why I try to hide the accent. I don't think that accents are bad, I just am trying to be a role model. Does that make sense?
I'm glad to hear you enjoyed it, whome. It's a great film. That's what many would regard as the real UK. Change the accents around where ever you go across here and working class regions are like that.
We tend to be portrayed with posh accents (Hugh Grant, Daniel Craig, Ralph Fiennes, etc) or London accents (Vinnie Jones, Jason Statham, etc you will probably know straight away). Geordie accents are popular on TV and I wonder if they are over there? You've probably come across Liverpudlian accents like in the film 51st State. I bet you've seen plenty of Scottish and Irish actors too.Geordie...I will have to research this to know if we hear it alot here? Are you saying that is how they speak in Full Monty?
We do see alot of Irish and Scottish actors. THE voice [emoji6] Shaun Connery, Colin farrell (think I spelled this wrong), Liam neeson, and I really like Chris O'Dowd. We have watched bridesmaids several times and can't help but try to talk like him every single time we watch it lol
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Oh yes, whome. I have to record myself all the time, and since I'm trying to teach kids how to speak correctly, that's why I try to hide the accent. I don't think that accents are bad, I just am trying to be a role model. Does that make sense?Oh absolutely! Looking back I feel bad for our English teachers here. They had their work cut out for them! They were from here but obviously did the same as you...they tried to set a good example and spoke properly while they were teaching us.
I just remembered this and had to add it...we got into trouble and corrected alot for using double negatives("I didnt have no pencil to do my work with") That was probably the biggest thing. Other than using the word "ain't" too much and dropping the "g" from words like goin' instead of going. Y'all was a big no no (we actually say "yaw" here lol and "you" in a sentence is often times "ye." Yeah we were probably an English teacher's biggest challenge [emoji6]
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Lol. Poor things.
The worst thing my students use is “hurted “. I have to keep telling them that “hurted” is not a word. It’s just hurt! And they can’t tell the difference between “your” and “you’re “
MyNameIsTerry
22-05-20, 04:35
It's fine, Terry. I'm just giving you a hard time. I can usually figure out what you're saying, but once in a while, you pull a fast one on me.
I think we Americans have it easy because so much of our TV and movies are watched worldwide.
Got to keep you in your toes...or should that be 'you're' :biggrin:
No worries, I always know you are having a laugh.
Yep, lots of your TV over here. Some have concerns over it's impact but at the least we are accustomed to your way of life more than we are so many other countries.
MyNameIsTerry
22-05-20, 04:36
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It was probably easier for people to understand the material I was presenting too lol I have listened to myself on recording before and thought oh my gosh...do I really sound like that?? Lol has anyone else ever done this?
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Yep, I sound nothing like I do in my head.
MyNameIsTerry
22-05-20, 04:46
Geordie...I will have to research this to know if we hear it alot here? Are you saying that is how they speak in Full Monty?
We do see alot of Irish and Scottish actors. THE voice [emoji6] Shaun Connery, Colin farrell (think I spelled this wrong), Liam neeson, and I really like Chris O'Dowd. We have watched bridesmaids several times and can't help but try to talk like him every single time we watch it lol
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No, sorry, The Full Monty is set in Yorkshire. Totally different accents and way of talking. In American terms the distance between these regions is tiny though given how big your country is.
The Geordie accent is just one of the more popular ones here so I wondered if it had made it over there yet? A good example would be something like Auf Wiedersehen, Pet', a great old TV programme about bricklayers working in Germany when the construction industry was in a mess here. Most of the English guys in that are Geordies.
Chris O'Dowd is great in comedy. Have you ever see The IT Crowd?
Billy Connelly has been in some films over there too. I was watching him in an episode of Columbo a few weeks back. Brendan Gleason is another one in lots of films e.g. Braveheart, 30 Days Later, Gangs Of New York, Harry Potter (Mad Eye Moody), etc.
I guess Irish actors would work well over there given your strong historical ties.
Funny you mention the use of 'ye' since the Irish use that.
Lol. Poor things.
The worst thing my students use is “hurted “. I have to keep telling them that “hurted” is not a word. It’s just hurt! And they can’t tell the difference between “your” and “you’re “
Here you go Vee. A former teacher from the South Bronx:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBF_50Jjsg8
No, sorry, The Full Monty is set in Yorkshire. Totally different accents and way of talking. In American terms the distance between these regions is tiny though given how big your country is.
The Geordie accent is just one of the more popular ones here so I wondered if it had made it over there yet? A good example would be something like Auf Wiedersehen, Pet', a great old TV programme about bricklayers working in Germany when the construction industry was in a mess here. Most of the English guys in that are Geordies.
Chris O'Dowd is great in comedy. Have you ever see The IT Crowd?
Billy Connelly has been in some films over there too. I was watching him in an episode of Columbo a few weeks back. Brendan Gleason is another one in lots of films e.g. Braveheart, 30 Days Later, Gangs Of New York, Harry Potter (Mad Eye Moody), etc.
I guess Irish actors would work well over there given your strong historical ties.
Funny you mention the use of 'ye' since the Irish use that.
Terry, Terry Thomas is the one who stands out to me as the quintessential Brit.
Lol. Poor things.
The worst thing my students use is “hurted “. I have to keep telling them that “hurted” is not a word. It’s just hurt! And they can’t tell the difference between “your” and “you’re “Awww Hurted ..it's kinda cute though! I can just imagine a child saying this.
Not everyone is cut from that cloth to be able to be a teacher. Respect to you for it AntsyVee.
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No, sorry, The Full Monty is set in Yorkshire. Totally different accents and way of talking. In American terms the distance between these regions is tiny though given how big your country is.
The Geordie accent is just one of the more popular ones here so I wondered if it had made it over there yet? A good example would be something like Auf Wiedersehen, Pet', a great old TV programme about bricklayers working in Germany when the construction industry was in a mess here. Most of the English guys in that are Geordies.
Chris O'Dowd is great in comedy. Have you ever see The IT Crowd?
Billy Connelly has been in some films over there too. I was watching him in an episode of Columbo a few weeks back. Brendan Gleason is another one in lots of films e.g. Braveheart, 30 Days Later, Gangs Of New York, Harry Potter (Mad Eye Moody), etc.
I guess Irish actors would work well over there given your strong historical ties.
Funny you mention the use of 'ye' since the Irish use that.I just looked them up and found several clips of Pet and IT Crowd online so I'm looking forward to watching these.
I had forgotten about Billy Connelly and Brendan Gleason. I googled Billy Connelly and recognized him right off. It pulled up a stand up comedy skit called toblerone and since this is one of my favorites I had to watch to see what he had to say about it. I had a good laugh!
We are big Harry Potter fans. It took me a good while to figure out that Mad Eye Moody was also in Braveheart! I couldn't believe I didn't make the connection. Maybe it was because there were so many years between the two movies and he looked like he had lost some size between the two. I'm not sure but either way, he is also a good actor.
What an interesting thought on how we say "ye" and the possibility that it comes from Irish heritage. I enjoy listening to how they talk. It's very charming to me.
My significant other recently took a DNA test that I had bought him. The results came back as 77 percent Welsh, 16 percent Irish/Scottish, 7 per Norway. He loved this. I am going to order one soon too and I feel like mine will look alot of the same. I've been told my father's family was Welsh and that my mother's was Irish. We will see what else might have gotten mixed in there along the way. I've been told native American but there is no way to know this by the DNA kit at this time ...well the last that I checked anyway.
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Terry, Terry Thomas is the one who stands out to me as the quintessential Brit.I'm not sure if I am familiar with Terry Thomas. What would you suggest watching with him in it so I could become familiar with him Noivous?
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If you want to watch a funny movie watch it's a mad mad mad mad world. Terry Thomas has a prominent role in the movie but it is loaded with some of the Giants from the comedian world of the past. Absolutely hilarious filled with funny lines but you have to listen for them.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Terry+Thomas+and+Milton+Berle&view=detail&mid=465E83F3596B877911B1465E83F3596B877911B1&FORM=VRRTAP
If you want to watch a funny movie watch it's a mad mad mad mad world. Terry Thomas has a prominent role in the movie but it is loaded with some of the Giants from the comedian world of the past. Absolutely hilarious filled with funny lines but you have to listen for them.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Terry+Thomas+and+Milton+Berle&view=detail&mid=465E83F3596B877911B1465E83F3596B877911B1&FORM=VRRTAPI will look for this. Thanks!
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Here you go Vee. A former teacher from the South Bronx:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBF_50Jjsg8
I remember this guy! He used to be on HBO in the 90s!
Awww Hurted ..it's kinda cute though! I can just imagine a child saying this.
Not everyone is cut from that cloth to be able to be a teacher. Respect to you for it AntsyVee.
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Thank you, Whome! It's so nice to hear. There are so many teacher bashers out there. Especially after this COVID break. I saw this one video some dude posted on YouTube talking about how he thinks he's a better teacher than his kid's teacher and how teaching his kids at home is easy. Yeah, well, teaching two kids at a time is easy, especially when you have the power to give consequences like taking away their TV privileges, grounding them or sending them to their room. I wanted to say to that dad, "Try teaching 38 at a time (the max allowed by law that all classes are filled to) in 50 minutes or less where 10 of them have learning disabilities, two are stoned, and another one is crying cause she broke up with her boyfriend." LOL
Thank you, Whome! It's so nice to hear. There are so many teacher bashers out there. Especially after this COVID break. I saw this one video some dude posted on YouTube talking about how he thinks he's a better teacher than his kid's teacher and how teaching his kids at home is easy. Yeah, well, teaching two kids at a time is easy, especially when you have the power to give consequences like taking away their TV privileges, grounding them or sending them to their room. I wanted to say to that dad, "Try teaching 38 at a time (the max allowed by law that all classes are filled to) in 50 minutes or less where 10 of them have learning disabilities, two are stoned, and another one is crying cause she broke up with her boyfriend." LOLLol oh my gosh...no way could I handle a classroom of 30 kids. Not that I do not like kids but like u said, they have taken away the power to discipline and the kids sure seem to notice and push it.
I was a school nurse for a short time. I split my days between elementary and high school. The kids were sweet but I had been in a hospital environment for so long that it just wasn't my cup of tea so I went back to the hospital.
I wonder how long into the distancing this dad made that comment and if he still feels this way? The parents I have personally spoken to can't wait til they go back to you guys lol so it surprises me that anyone is bashing My sister said Lord I love him but I can't wait til he goes back to school."lol Seriously, you guys are so needed (and not just for a break as my sister was joking about).
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One last thing, AntsyVee and I'll leave you alone to enjoy ur holiday weekend. I wanted to share this with u since u are a teacher.
Since I was raised in such a rural area we had several of what we called "country schools" in our county. We had an elementary and a high school in the county seat which were the larger schools. Here, most communities are named after the creeks that run through the county. (we have two rivers and many creeks). So for instance, the kids who lived in the Cedar Creek community had a small country school nearby called Cedar Creek School. This kept us from having to travel from the rural areas to the main school. Now keep in my mind this sounds like something from the really old days but I am only 42 lol. If I remember right, there were 4 of these country schools.
Anyway, my school was 1st-8th grade. There were 3 classrooms lol 1st-3rd was in one classroom, 4th-6th, then 7th and 8th in another. I think that the most students I remember was around 70 in the entire thing while I was there.
Our class was split up into rows Our teacher would assign something to the two other grades so they would busy while she taught to us and made our assignment. We would work on that assignment while she moved over to the other row (other grade) and did the same. I really think I learned so much my first and second grade years bc I could see and hear her teaching the material to the older grades and I learned that way.
We prayed out loud before meals, had bicycle day every year where our parents would bring our bicycles to school and the whole school just made a whole day of it! Lol
We even brushed our teeth in the bathrooms after meals We kept a tooth brush and tooth paste in our cubbies and the teacher would tell us to go brush our teeth then come back to class. It was just a really unique experience I guess bc we were so very small.
I LOVED this school. All of the little schools had to shut down after my 3rd grade year so I never made it out of the same classroom or from the same teacher during my time there lol I have wonderful memories of that place. After we all went to the bigger school in the 4th grade after we shut down, we had a bond all the way up through graduation.
Even after consolidating all the schools, my senior graduating class was still only 69 people.
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MyNameIsTerry
23-05-20, 16:10
Yep, I would have thought many parents now have a greater respect than ever for anyone who takes their kids for most of the day?
MyNameIsTerry
23-05-20, 16:18
Terry, Terry Thomas is the one who stands out to me as the quintessential Brit.
Before the Hugh Grant era he would have been what people see. Toff types.
MyNameIsTerry
23-05-20, 16:22
I just looked them up and found several clips of Pet and IT Crowd online so I'm looking forward to watching these.
I had forgotten about Billy Connelly and Brendan Gleason. I googled Billy Connelly and recognized him right off. It pulled up a stand up comedy skit called toblerone and since this is one of my favorites I had to watch to see what he had to say about it. I had a good laugh!
We are big Harry Potter fans. It took me a good while to figure out that Mad Eye Moody was also in Braveheart! I couldn't believe I didn't make the connection. Maybe it was because there were so many years between the two movies and he looked like he had lost some size between the two. I'm not sure but either way, he is also a good actor.
What an interesting thought on how we say "ye" and the possibility that it comes from Irish heritage. I enjoy listening to how they talk. It's very charming to me.
My significant other recently took a DNA test that I had bought him. The results came back as 77 percent Welsh, 16 percent Irish/Scottish, 7 per Norway. He loved this. I am going to order one soon too and I feel like mine will look alot of the same. I've been told my father's family was Welsh and that my mother's was Irish. We will see what else might have gotten mixed in there along the way. I've been told native American but there is no way to know this by the DNA kit at this time ...well the last that I checked anyway.
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An early role for Brendan Gleason in Hollywood was Lake Placid, I think. He was good in that as the sheriff. He's a fair bit bigger in Braveheart than he later days. But with all that beard it's hard to see him!
Welsh, eh, boyo? My GF is Welsh on her mother's side. Native American sounds cool, I had a best mate years ago who married a woman over here who's father was Native American and it gave her striking good looks.
Yes...Native Americans are very striking. They are beautiful people both the men and the women. I just want to touch that coal black, long, shiny hair lol I am fascinated by them. We have a Cherokee reservation maybe 3 1/2 hours from where I live. I would enjoy going.
I always laughed at Brendan Gleason's line in Braveheart when he said "I didn't think you were in the tent that long". I think I saw where his son also had a part in Harry Potter. I hope he does good in entertainment as well.
I forgot to mention Hugh Laurie. Have ever seen an episode of House? Great show. I think he broke records here for most watched or something like that. I'll have to look it up to be sure.
Yes, I have heard from lots of parents who are sick of their kids and are ready for me to take them back LOL And I've heard from a lot of kids who are sick of their parents and want to get out of the house, even if it is school LOL
Whome, we have some of those little school houses up in Northern California that still operate like that. A lot of them service kids of migrant ed workers who come to pick crops up there in the middle of nowhere.
Yes, I have heard from lots of parents who are sick of their kids and are ready for me to take them back LOL And I've heard from a lot of kids who are sick of their parents and want to get out of the house, even if it is school LOL
Whome, we have some of those little school houses up in Northern California that still operate like that. A lot of them service kids of migrant ed workers who come to pick crops up there in the middle of nowhere.Ha! I haven't thought about it but yes I am sure this goes both ways [emoji6]
Really? I didn't know this still existed. That's really neat! It's a unique situation now days and I wish the kids and the teachers everywhere got the luxury of smaller classes. Well, in each grade anyway.
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Dogs are thrilled with the lockdown. Cats are livid.
MyNameIsTerry
23-05-20, 21:20
Dogs are thrilled with the lockdown. Cats are livid.
Including Snoop Dogg who has landed the new add for Just Eat. Been on TV the last couple of days.
Dogs are thrilled with the lockdown. Cats are livid.
I'm on a rotating schedule (two weeks on, one off - paid thankfully).
Our boy (Socrates, a Pixie Bob cat) is absolutely thrilled to have Daddy home this week. He's been chilling with me all week long :)
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LOL Yes, my cats are very happy I'm home to answer to their every beck and call!
MyNameIsTerry
24-05-20, 05:04
Yes...Native Americans are very striking. They are beautiful people both the men and the women. I just want to touch that coal black, long, shiny hair lol I am fascinated by them. We have a Cherokee reservation maybe 3 1/2 hours from where I live. I would enjoy going.
I always laughed at Brendan Gleason's line in Braveheart when he said "I didn't think you were in the tent that long". I think I saw where his son also had a part in Harry Potter. I hope he does good in entertainment as well.
I forgot to mention Hugh Laurie. Have ever seen an episode of House? Great show. I think he broke records here for most watched or something like that. I'll have to look it up to be sure.
Yes, my friend's wife had the hair and it really stood out even though she kept it shorter.
I didn't know about Gleason's son but I just looked him up and remember him in the film with Fleur. He seems to be doing well as he does more than act. He's not bad looking either so he has more of a chance than some.
On that note have you seen Neville Longbottom all grown up? A couple of years ago he was in one of the newspapers posing in his underwear looking pretty good. He was one of my favourite characters, the quiet hero who lost his parents but was looked down upon by the cool kids and ended up pivotal as well as very brave.
Yes, I've some of House. But I remember Hugh from before in Blackadder and Jeeves & Wooster along with Stephen Fry.
Yes, my friend's wife had the hair and it really stood out even though she kept it shorter.
I didn't know about Gleason's son but I just looked him up and remember him in the film with Fleur. He seems to be doing well as he does more than act. He's not bad looking either so he has more of a chance than some.
On that note have you seen Neville Longbottom all grown up? A couple of years ago he was in one of the newspapers posing in his underwear looking pretty good. He was one of my favourite characters, the quiet hero who lost his parents but was looked down upon by the cool kids and ended up pivotal as well as very brave.
Yes, I've some of House. But I remember Hugh from before in Blackadder and Jeeves & Wooster along with Stephen Fry.
Yes! Puberty hit Neville Longbottom like a mack truck! Lol He grew up to be a very easy on the eyes no doubt. I enjoyed his character for those same reasons you stated. He was essentially a lesser known version of Harry and it took me awhile to figure this out. When he finally did come into his own, I was like "Yes! Go Neville, go!"
It was nice to see his character evolve into what it did. Harry Potter...we have the entire DVD collection. I may have to pull it out again soon. It's a rainy day here so I may have to catch up on some of these movies and tv we have been talking about lately.
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WiseMonkey
27-05-20, 13:50
talking about cats I have had a stray pussy hanging around the last few days it’s a big MF might be feral:D
I saw on a news item a huge feral cat dragging away a goanna ...better watch your back door Ms L :winks:
Great piece on the coming of America's 2nd Civil War.
Many poo poo'd the notion on this awhile back on this post. But I argue it's already begun.
I heard an interesting caller on the radio the other day. It was a leftist who actually told the truth believe it or not. The man's name was David and he very openly said we don't want to make peace with conservatives...we want to annihilate them from the planet - literally. I was surprised and appreciated David's rare candor but was in no way surprised by his thinking or want for wiping out opposing thought or ideology. Bring it on I say and let's get on with it. May the best side win.
Read on...a good article:
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/12/the_new_phony_war.html
Bring it on I say and let's get on with it. May the best side win.l (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/12/the_new_phony_war.html)
You're seriously advocating for war, N?
Not all lefties agree with that guy (in fact, I would say most don't), just like not all conservatives are brain-washed by Trump.
It's time to start fighting common enemies like Covid, homelessness, poverty, the opioid epidemic, actual real crises...not made-up crises and not each other.
Nonsense, plain and simple.
I do have a question for you N... You've been on the forum since 2016 and have yet to post anything concerning anxiety nor participate/help others in any other threads pertaining to it. What is it that you're dealing with mentally that brought you here?
FMP
You're seriously advocating for war, N?
Not all lefties agree with that guy (in fact, I would say most don't), just like not all conservatives are brain-washed by Trump.
It's time to start fighting common enemies like Covid, homelessness, poverty, the opioid epidemic, actual real crises...not made-up crises and not each other.
Obviously some crazy nutjob who's after the their fifteen minutes of fame.
Honestly, it seems that some people like to 'invent' crises in order to fulfill their own warped agendas.
After all, Trump's been voted out now, so people should just let it go, and move forward in 2021 and beyond.
MyNameIsTerry
08-01-21, 06:15
As the Capitol building was stormed by protesters there were high ranking politicians who had to be extracted quickly by security. Nancy Pelosi was one of them. But as she was quickly ushered out a man emerged from the crowd and goosed her whilst placing a small piece of paper down the back pocket of her trousers. Security checked this note outside to find one initial and a telephone number with a single kiss underneath.
N, where were you at that time young man?!!! :yesyes:
Another surprised high ranking politician was non other than the Vice President, Mike Pence, who was also goosed by another man who emerged from the crowd. However in this case the young man was surprised by the note, quite similiar in composition according to reporters shown it later, the VP pushed into his hand as his security rushed him out https://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/sex/t1566.gif
Terry I think that was N.sitting in Nancy’s office.:roflmao:
Although Trump has now reportedly conceded, I can't believe the damage he has done by advocating riots amongst his supporters in the first place and Wednesday's incident IMO amounts to a full-on terrorist attack.
Ten years ago we here in England were a laughing stock when our major cities went up in flames and someone I know actually emigrated to the USA because he no longer felt safe here due to our city rioters despite living near leafy Lichfield in Staffordshire, where there were no such disturbances at all.
So ten years down the line there are disturbances across the pond, not just concerning Trump and his supporters, but there were of course the BLM disturbances last year too.
I'm not gloating by any means but sadly no country is completely immune to rioting and terrorism.
Pamplemousse
08-01-21, 16:33
Two Donald Trump supporters die and go to heaven.
God meets them at the pearly gates and asks if they have any questions. One of them says, "Yes, what were the real results of the 2020 election and who was behind the fraud?"
God says, "My son, there was no fraud. Biden won the electoral college fair and square, 306 to 232."
After a few seconds of stunned silence one guy turns to the other and whispers, "This goes higher up than we thought."
MyNameIsTerry
08-01-21, 20:05
Although Trump has now reportedly conceded, I can't believe the damage he has done by advocating riots amongst his supporters in the first place and Wednesday's incident IMO amounts to a full-on terrorist attack.
Ten years ago we here in England were a laughing stock when our major cities went up in flames and someone I know actually emigrated to the USA because he no longer felt safe here due to our city rioters despite living near leafy Lichfield in Staffordshire, where there were no such disturbances at all.
So ten years down the line there are disturbances across the pond, not just concerning Trump and his supporters, but there were of course the BLM disturbances last year too.
I'm not gloating by any means but sadly no country is completely immune to rioting and terrorism.
I could understand that if he was worried about terrorism but not civil unrest. The US and all those crime problems. I'll take Lichfield any day.
Terry I think that was N.sitting in Nancy’s office.:roflmao:
No LOL, they actually ID'd that guy as some dude from Alabama.
Edit: Nvm, they just got him. Richard Barnett in Arkansas. Now they're looking for the dude who brought the pipe bombs.
Although Trump has now reportedly conceded, I can't believe the damage he has done by advocating riots amongst his supporters in the first place and Wednesday's incident IMO amounts to a full-on terrorist attack.
Ten years ago we here in England were a laughing stock when our major cities went up in flames and someone I know actually emigrated to the USA because he no longer felt safe here due to our city rioters despite living near leafy Lichfield in Staffordshire, where there were no such disturbances at all.
So ten years down the line there are disturbances across the pond, not just concerning Trump and his supporters, but there were of course the BLM disturbances last year too.
I'm not gloating by any means but sadly no country is completely immune to rioting and terrorism.
I wouldn't call BLM as a disturbance...Frankly I'm surprised there haven't been protests about the racism in this country long before now.
Every country has their issues, some more than others.
Two Donald Trump supporters die and go to heaven.
God meets them at the pearly gates and asks if they have any questions. One of them says, "Yes, what were the real results of the 2020 election and who was behind the fraud?"
God says, "My son, there was no fraud. Biden won the electoral college fair and square, 306 to 232."
After a few seconds of stunned silence one guy turns to the other and whispers, "This goes higher up than we thought."LOL PM. And as the saying goes. 'many a true word spoken in jest'.
This is brilliant! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT5kafhG3Qw&ab_channel=RandyRainbow)
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This is brilliant! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT5kafhG3Qw&ab_channel=RandyRainbow)
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OMG! Love it, FMP!
I could understand that if he was worried about terrorism but not civil unrest. The US and all those crime problems. I'll take Lichfield any day.
Having said that, Lichfield train station was actually the centre of terrorism back in the summer of 1990 where a soldier who was stationed at the nearby Whittington Barracks was beheaded by an IRA gunman whilst waiting for a train back home to Wales (I think), a now-mostly forgotten terror-related incident.
Although I vaguely recall hearing said incident being mentioned on the news back then I don't remember being overly fazed by it at the time, even though I don't live a million miles away from there.
I seem to recall people in general being far less hysterical back then and still mostly going about their daily businesses as per usual, unlike today where there would have been mass hysteria, panic and possibly even a lockdown being imposed on the whole West Mids region!
Back then of course we still didn't have the Internet and 24/7 rolling news channels like we do today, but it did seem to be a far more innocent and carefree time in general despite being far from free of potential daily risks and hazards.
Sorry for straying off-topic.
This is brilliant! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT5kafhG3Qw&ab_channel=RandyRainbow)
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This is the best thing I've ever seen. Mocking Trump and my favorite show tune? This made my night!!
MyNameIsTerry
10-01-21, 06:33
Terry I think that was N.sitting in Nancy’s office.:roflmao:
No LOL, they actually ID'd that guy as some dude from Alabama.
Edit: Nvm, they just got him. Richard Barnett in Arkansas. Now they're looking for the dude who brought the pipe bombs.
Ah ha, having a good old procrastination? :ohmy::blush:
Vee, did the Secret Santa I sent you turn up yet? https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/uoMAAOSwmZJbntF~/s-l640.jpg:yesyes:
Ah ha, having a good old procrastination? :ohmy::blush:
Vee, did the Secret Santa I sent you turn up yet? https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/uoMAAOSwmZJbntF~/s-l640.jpg:yesyes:
LOL. Those are gonna give me nightmares, Terry!
Peterthegreatworrier
12-01-21, 11:26
Ok, I'm seeing huge Syria style civil war or enormous spikes in terrorism in my mind. Now I know this is very far fetched, I just can't dispel the thoughts.
Pamplemousse
12-01-21, 11:47
I think once a few of Trump's rabble get sent back to their loved ones in a body bag they'll shut up pretty quick.
I do think the Yanks will have their first female president before the end of 2021 though. Along with branding the NRA as a terrorist organisation.
I think once a few of Trump's rabble get sent back to their loved ones in a body bag they'll shut up pretty quick.
I do think the Yanks will have their first female president before the end of 2021 though. Along with branding the NRA as a terrorist organisation.
And I"ll have no sympathy for them whatsoever if they end up catching Covid. After all they probably knew the risks, but put their fifteen minutes of fame before everything and everyone else so they can boast to future generations about their 'hijacking' Congress, that is, if they're lucky enough to survive Covid of course!
Surely, it still beggars belief as to how lax the security actually was there in the build-up to last Wednesday's events. Hopefully no one in this country will attempt to do a copycat and hijack Parliament, as much as I dislike Bozzer and Co!
WiredIncorrectly
19-01-21, 08:52
As an observer of the situation over the pond I think you folk are damned whichever goon is in power. Same as over here really :roflmao:
WiredIncorrectly
19-01-21, 08:54
Having said that, Lichfield train station was actually the centre of terrorism back in the summer of 1990 where a soldier who was stationed at the nearby Whittington Barracks was beheaded by an IRA gunman whilst waiting for a train back home to Wales (I think), a now-mostly forgotten terror-related incident.
Although I vaguely recall hearing said incident being mentioned on the news back then I don't remember being overly fazed by it at the time, even though I don't live a million miles away from there.
I seem to recall people in general being far less hysterical back then and still mostly going about their daily businesses as per usual, unlike today where there would have been mass hysteria, panic and possibly even a lockdown being imposed on the whole West Mids region!
Back then of course we still didn't have the Internet and 24/7 rolling news channels like we do today, but it did seem to be a far more innocent and carefree time in general despite being far from free of potential daily risks and hazards.
Sorry for straying off-topic.
This? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lichfield_gun_attack
Why promote this? The capitals of every state were heavily fortified and protected. It turned out to be a pathetic whimper compared to what happened on the 6th.
24 more hours!
FMP
Why promote this? The capitals of every state were heavily fortified and protected. It turned out to be a pathetic whimper compared to what happened on the 6th.
24 more hours!
FMP
That just smacks of sheer desperation IMO. Trump and his baying mobs of die-hard supporters know full well his time's up in less than 24 hours' time, like it or not!
As for the Lichfield train station incident back in 1990 that I mentioned upthread, there was another similar (and now-mostly forgotten atrocity) in the W Mids back in 1973 where an IRA gunman went on the rampage in Solihull town centre, but was obviously overshadowed by the Birmingham Pub Bombings the following year (1974), which still remains a pertinent subject today, especially in the W Mids.
Surprisingly I've never heard of any bomb/terror scares in the Wolverhampton area, be they the IRA or more recently AQ/ISIS, but the IRA did target Coventry, the 'other' big city in the W Mids back in 1978 (I think).
MyNameIsTerry
20-01-21, 07:05
Presidential appeals time. I've always thought this ridiculous, like some emperor rather than a democracy. :lac:
In his head,Terry the Don thinks he is an Emperor :wacko:
In his head,Terry the Don thinks he is an Emperor :wacko:
Well his game's up, regardless of whatever he says, thinks or does after today.
First let me ask...has anyone missed me? Anyone at all? FMP? LOLa? Somebody? Oh well.
In any regard. My guy, DJT, is out and by hook or by crook crazy uncle Joe is in. I now go from being on defense to immediately going on offense. It's the nature of politics. It's easier and more fun being on offense anyway. Not that I'm not disappointed, It's always more fun to win, I'm just not discouraged. Yes, I am forever a hopeless, albeit always hopeful, romantic.
I expect the worst but hope for the best from the Joe Lied-in administration. He's already shutting down an ongoing construction project which will cost 11,000 blue collar jobs - both union and non-union. Let the good times roll!
Ding-Dong! Oh! There's the bell! Gotta go...my new "Trump 2024" hat has arrived! Speak soon! It's good to be back! Hi Antsy!
N.
My guy, DJT, is out and by hook or by crook crazy uncle Joe is in.
DJT - WORST US President in HISTORY! :yesyes:
Didn't even have the decency to hand power over to Biden. Too busy being a massive diva because he lost! :lac:
The blimp of him looking his trademark 'Tango' shade of orange and naked (aside a nappy) is what the UK thinks of him.
Personally, I hope he's stripped of every 'perk' which comes from having been President, but the Tangoed one will no doubt buy his way out of the shit. :whistles:
WiredIncorrectly
21-01-21, 11:41
That just smacks of sheer desperation IMO. Trump and his baying mobs of die-hard supporters know full well his time's up in less than 24 hours' time, like it or not!
As for the Lichfield train station incident back in 1990 that I mentioned upthread, there was another similar (and now-mostly forgotten atrocity) in the W Mids back in 1973 where an IRA gunman went on the rampage in Solihull town centre, but was obviously overshadowed by the Birmingham Pub Bombings the following year (1974), which still remains a pertinent subject today, especially in the W Mids.
Surprisingly I've never heard of any bomb/terror scares in the Wolverhampton area, be they the IRA or more recently AQ/ISIS, but the IRA did target Coventry, the 'other' big city in the W Mids back in 1978 (I think).
My great uncle owns the pub on the corner in Birmingham, right opposite the bull ring. He's had ownership during the IRA attacks. My wifes mom was injured by an IRA bomb blast. Not severely injured, but she doesn't like talking about it. I wasn't alive during the Solihull attack, but I've read about it. My grandpa (RIP) was Irish and had many stories of drinking with the IRA. He lived through The Troubles.
So Nora, who would you say is the best president? Who are your top 5?
What do you base your claim on that Trump was the worst out of the 46 we've had?
BTW Wired the extreme left-wing group Antifa is burning down Democrat headquarters in Seattle as we speak. Supposedly saying we don't want Biden we want revenge. Interesting times.
LOL I didn't know Starbucks was "Democrat headquarters"
First let me ask...has anyone missed me? Anyone at all? FMP? LOLa? Somebody? Oh well.
In any regard. My guy, DJT, is out and by hook or by crook crazy uncle Joe is in. I now go from being on defense to immediately going on offense. It's the nature of politics. It's easier and more fun being on offense anyway. Not that I'm not disappointed, It's always more fun to win, I'm just not discouraged. Yes, I am forever a hopeless, albeit always hopeful, romantic.
I expect the worst but hope for the best from the Joe Lied-in administration. He's already shutting down an ongoing construction project which will cost 11,000 blue collar jobs - both union and non-union. Let the good times roll!
Ding-Dong! Oh! There's the bell! Gotta go...my new "Trump 2024" hat has arrived! Speak soon! It's good to be back! Hi Antsy!
N.
You're okay...I am waiting for you to think for yourself again...but until I get my re-education camps up and running, I guess I'll just have to wait...
Hello Noivous! Have you signed up with the Patriot Party today? When's the first Roadshow?
What do you base your claim on that Trump was the worst out of the 46 we've had?
I ask again, you've been on the site since Trump was elected. You haven't posted about anxiety or participated in any other threads other than political. Everything has been political and spewing your right wing views and conspiracy "Q" theories. What is it that brought you here?
FMP
WiredIncorrectly
22-01-21, 00:39
BTW Wired the extreme left-wing group Antifa is burning down Democrat headquarters in Seattle as we speak. Supposedly saying we don't want Biden we want revenge. Interesting times.
Woah. I had to Google that as I'm not really in loop with media. Watching some videos on it now. Shocking stuff. They're walking round spraypainting buildings and casually smashing the windows of buildings and cars. They terrorized the place. Not a single source of media is calling them terrorists either.
What's this thing with Antifa? Are they too big to stop?
MyNameIsTerry
22-01-21, 04:22
Woah. I had to Google that as I'm not really in loop with media. Watching some videos on it now. Shocking stuff. They're walking round spraypainting buildings and casually smashing the windows of buildings and cars. They terrorized the place. Not a single source of media is calling them terrorists either.
What's this thing with Antifa? Are they too big to stop?
At a simplified level:
1. Left wing violence.
Media leaning
Left = take a knee
Right = brand them terrorists
2. Right wing violence.
Media leaning
Left = brand them violent, racists
Right = support for patriots
Just looks the same doesn't it? :winks:
Yup. You got it right Terry. Extremism is extremism.
MyNameIsTerry
22-01-21, 04:41
So Nora, who would you say is the best president? Who are your top 5?
What do you base your claim on that Trump was the worst out of the 46 we've had?
I'm just flicking through my memory of 'The Rogues Gallery' so just a quick couple that spring to mind.
Bush Jr. Illegal war costing lives of brave men & women. Dead civilians. Dead enemy combatants.
Truman. Nuclear weapons. Dead civilians. Legacy of suffering by later generations. Let the infamous Japanese doctors, who presided over human experimentation, rape, torture, etc, at unit 731 get away with their crimes so the Soviets couldn't get hold of their experimental findings.
How does Trump compare to that?
So Nora, who would you say is the best president? Who are your top 5?
Can't be arsed with a top 5, but I respect JFK for his game changer role with civil rights. He was a visionary and a pleasant enough bloke. Bit of a player. Great hair. Maybe not the best President, but he's the one which stands out for me.
What do you base your claim on that Trump was the worst out of the 46 we've had?
Full disclosure, I'm not that up on my American history, so, maybe he's not the absolute worst, but he has to be somewhere near the bottom for goodness sake?! :unsure:
Your man has done some good things for America during his term. What a shame he won't be remembered for those things?
He will be remembered for his racist, sexist, and xenophobic comments.
Building a wall to keep people out.
Mocking reporters with disabilities (though this might have been before he was elected?)
His refusal to listen to the scientists about COVID and take it seriously. (MAJOR mistake)
Then, there was the 'inject yourselves with disinfectant citizens- no more coronavirus -be fine! What a MONUMENTAL IDIOT, and a little reminder, this bit of advice came from the most POWERFUL MAN ON THE PLANET! :huh:
He will be remembered for inciting violence (where people died) in the last fortnight of his term.
He will be remembered for his global warming denials.
He will be remembered for not condemning white supremacists during a debate - despite being pushed several times to do so. Then he appeared to give them the green light! (Yes, he did condemn them eventually but only because he'd been given the obvious 'Mr President, er, with respect, grovel grovel, what the f**k are you doing? talk by his nervously exhausted aides!
"Standing by Sir" ffs!
He will be remembered for his shit fake-tan and questionable hair. (looks good on the blimp tho)
He will be remembered for being the only President in your history to be impeached twice.
He will be remembered for snubbing the incoming President on inauguration day - the 4th President to do so.
He will be remembered for his insane tweets.
And for letting Lil Wayne out of the slammer! (Please God, don't let him write a song about Trump.)
But I will say this for Trump - he's been consistently shit from day one, so credit where it's due.
But, this is my opinion N. I really really don't like the bloke. Has he 'made America great again? Well it didn't look so great two weeks ago did it?
A lot of people (alarmingly) support Trump and it does indeed make my botty clench for the future - especially if Joe Biden turns out to be our equivalent of our Theresa May.
Are you hopeful of your man getting another go in 2024 N?
WiredIncorrectly
22-01-21, 12:28
At a simplified level:
1. Left wing violence.
Media leaning
Left = take a knee
Right = brand them terrorists
2. Right wing violence.
Media leaning
Left = brand them violent, racists
Right = support for patriots
Just looks the same doesn't it? :winks:
It does lmao!
You're okay...I am waiting for you to think for yourself again...but until I get my re-education camps up and running, I guess I'll just have to wait...
Antsy! How are you? That's how you leftists get people to think for themselves? Zend zem to zee kamps?:yesyes:
You're right it was Starbucks in Seattle and Dem headquarters in Portland...same difference really.
Hello Noivous! Have you signed up with the Patriot Party today? When's the first Roadshow?
Pulisa!!:hugs: I have! I'm secretary treasurer:). The roadshow starts this spring...why don't you come along?
I ask again, you've been on the site since Trump was elected. You haven't posted about anxiety or participated in any other threads other than political. Everything has been political and spewing your right wing views and conspiracy "Q" theories. What is it that brought you here?
FMP
FMP! How are you my friend? I'm glad to see you're yelling, I mean speaking to me again! Ah let's see...I don't ever remembering you asking me before but here goes. First off I was out here several years before trump took office. It was my massive off the charts HA that originally brought me here. And you're wrong about me never chiming in about other subjects...though I don't see it's any of your business where I post. I will grant you I do like politics and am a conservative and enjoy the discourse. But certainly I'm not the only one who likes politics on these boards, just take a look at all the threads and posts. It's cathartic for me. And I don't think I'm "spewing" right wing theories just by sticking to my conservative values. As for Q up until a couple of weeks ago I hardly knew a thing about them. Nor did I give them a second thought...I still don't. To me it's just some vague online thing. But it's you who seem very angry about something. Do you tolerate opposing views to your own? I mean I realize I'm in the minority politically here (or maybe I'm just fearless I don't know) but do you really want to purge all opposing views?
N.
Thank you for affirming my belief and opinion about you. I appreciate it :yesyes:
FMP
You're welcome friend!:okay:
Antsy! How are you? That's how you leftists get people to think for themselves? Zend zem to zee kamps?:yesyes:
You're right it was Starbucks in Seattle and Dem headquarters in Portland...same difference really.
Not yet...as you see, I'm still working on my plans for world domination. Getting your buddy out of the way helps though ;)
Pamplemousse
23-01-21, 22:40
Not yet...as you see, I'm still working on my plans for world domination. Getting your buddy out of the way helps though ;)
And now, someone is about to feel the full force of the US legal system:
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1352964302236483584
Oh, how sad...
Who would that be?
I don't have a Twitter account.
Just for the record, Noivous has been a great help to me on here and he has suffered great loss and grief since joining.
As you have too FMP.
Come on guys, let us at least have our points of view. We seemed to have lost our freedom, let's try and keep what little we have left for the sake of our brains. :winks:
Pamplemousse
24-01-21, 12:10
Who would that be?
I don't have a Twitter account.
Nothing stops you clicking the link and looking at it on the web, Noivous.
It's Alex Jones, who is now about to get sued into oblivion by the families of the Sandy Hook victims (hopefully).
Web link: https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/texas-supreme-court-silently-denies-alex-jones-all-forms-of-relief-sandy-hook-families-and-others-can-now-sue-conspiracy-theorist-and-infowars-into-the-ground/
Oy...the world could do with a lot less Alex Jones
In less than 72 hours, Joe Lied-in:
- Killed 70,000+ jobs
- Eliminated women's sports
- Invaded Syria
- Left the National Guard to freeze in a garage
- Admitted he doesn't have a plan to fight covid
- Broke his own mask mandate
- Ended US energy independence
Do you miss Trump yet?
That's some interesting news ya got there, N. And no, I don't miss Trump :p
Pamplemousse
25-01-21, 13:46
In less than 72 hours, Joe Lied-in:
- Killed 70,000+ jobs
- Eliminated women's sports
- Invaded Syria
- Left the National Guard to freeze in a garage
- Admitted he doesn't have a plan to fight covid
- Broke his own mask mandate
- Ended US energy independence
Sources, or it didn't happen.
In less than 72 hours, Joe Lied-in:
- Killed 70,000+ jobs
- Eliminated women's sports
- Invaded Syria
- Left the National Guard to freeze in a garage
- Admitted he doesn't have a plan to fight covid
- Broke his own mask mandate
- Ended US energy independence
Do you miss Trump yet?Seriously Novious and no disrespect, but do you really think Joe Biden was 'lied-in'? I find that remarkable to think the USA, a country built on freedom and democracy, would suddenly decide to employ Putin-style vote rigging. And even more remarkable that Americans believe it.
- Killed 70,000+ jobs
This is referring to the Keystone Pipeline which puts 11K jobs at risk. There are currently 12.6 million unemployed in the US. 970K filed just last week. Just some perspective. It also prevents the pipeline from destroying Native American sacred lands.
- Eliminated women's sports
Allowed transgenders to participate and also lifted the ban for them to serve in the military.
- Invaded Syria
This took place on Jan 13th, a full week before Biden took office. Who was still president on Jan. 13th?
- Left the National Guard to freeze in a garage
Biden did not order it. In fact, lawmakers were unaware until it was reported. When he found out he apologized and the issue was resolved. How this happened is under investigation.
Admitted he doesn't have a plan to fight covid
LIE!
- Broke his own mask mandate
There's an image of Biden not wearing a mask. He was filming an address/speech the day of the inauguration BEFORE he initiated the mandate.
Ended US energy independence
Reversed the regulatory rollbacks of the Trump administration relating to vehicle fuel-efficiency standards and methane emissions across the oil and gas industry, thus helping the environment.
I personally don't miss him in the least. The fact that he's been banned from social media has lowered the country's stress levels dramatically as the press isn't reporting every ridiculous tweet he posted. For all intents and purposes, he's thankfully faded into obscurity.
Positive thoughts
Pamplemousse
25-01-21, 14:59
So in other words, FMP: it's all bullshit?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmyYD6LWEAALw7A?format=jpg&name=small
Pamplemousse
25-01-21, 15:10
On one specific point;
Reversed the regulatory rollbacks of the Trump administration relating to vehicle fuel-efficiency standards and methane emissions across the oil and gas industry, thus helping the environment.
Wasn't it Clinton who set in place legislation that led to the rise of that dreadful vehicle, the SUV? Here in the UK it pays to avoid SUV drivers because as a rule, they can't drive... (said he, with feeling after today's trip to the shops :mad:)
The sad thing is... there's real money to be made out of "green" alternatives to ICE cars and energy supply. You only have to look at Elon Musk for one...
As awful and tragic as all job losses are the world over, the Keystone Pipeline thing isn't necessarily the be all and end all of the USA's economy.
(prepared to be shot down in flames)!
As awful and tragic as all job losses are the world over, the Keystone Pipeline thing isn't necessarily the be all and end all of the USA's economy.
(prepared to be shot down in flames)!
There's only one perso'N' that will shoot you down LBoy....
FMP
This is referring to the Keystone Pipeline which puts 11K jobs at risk. There are currently 12.6 million unemployed in the US. 970K filed just last week. Just some perspective. It also prevents the pipeline from destroying Native American sacred lands.
Allowed transgenders to participate and also lifted the ban for them to serve in the military.
This took place on Jan 13th, a full week before Biden took office. Who was still president on Jan. 13th?
Biden did not order it. In fact, lawmakers were unaware until it was reported. When he found out he apologized and the issue was resolved. How this happened is under investigation.
LIE!
There's an image of Biden not wearing a mask. He was filming an address/speech the day of the inauguration BEFORE he initiated the mandate.
Reversed the regulatory rollbacks of the Trump administration relating to vehicle fuel-efficiency standards and methane emissions across the oil and gas industry, thus helping the environment.
I personally don't miss him in the least. The fact that he's been banned from social media has lowered the country's stress levels dramatically as the press isn't reporting every ridiculous tweet he posted. For all intents and purposes, he's thankfully faded into obscurity.
Positive thoughts
Great post!
Nothing stops you clicking the link and looking at it on the web, Noivous.
It's Alex Jones, who is now about to get sued into oblivion by the families of the Sandy Hook victims (hopefully).
Web link: https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/texas-supreme-court-silently-denies-alex-jones-all-forms-of-relief-sandy-hook-families-and-others-can-now-sue-conspiracy-theorist-and-infowars-into-the-ground/
Oh wow
https://nypost.com/2021/01/25/trump-officially-opens-office-of-the-former-president/
This is going to be fun!
There's only one perso'N' that will shoot you down LBoy....
FMP
"Shoot"? You must be a democRAT.
Great post!
But absolute fiction!
Seriously Novious and no disrespect, but do you really think Joe Biden was 'lied-in'? I find that remarkable to think the USA, a country built on freedom and democracy, would suddenly decide to employ Putin-style vote rigging. And even more remarkable that Americans believe it.
150 million Americans know it's true my friend.
If you want to anger a conservative lie to him. If you want to anger a lefty tell him the truth.
So the lefties believed the whole Russia collusion hoax with zero witnesses. They believed the woman who accused judge kavanaugh with zero witnesses. And yet don't believe the Joe Lied-in stolen election fact with 1000 sworn affidavit witnesses. I don't know what you know about the law but witnesses are evidence.
Trump Won.
First there was TDS...
TDS: HEAR Trump lie. BELIEVE the lie. REPEAT the lie. CHASTISE anyone who doesn't believe the lie. It's a pandemic in itself.
Now there's a new strain called BDS...
BDS: HEAR Biden tell us the truth. BELIEVE everything he says is a lie. REPEAT ReTrumplican lies and rhetoric. CHASTISE anyone who doesn't see it that way.
One only read the replies from ReTrumplica'N's to affirm my point.
FMP
Nothing stops you clicking the link and looking at it on the web, Noivous.
It's Alex Jones, who is now about to get sued into oblivion by the families of the Sandy Hook victims (hopefully).
Web link: https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/texas-supreme-court-silently-denies-alex-jones-all-forms-of-relief-sandy-hook-families-and-others-can-now-sue-conspiracy-theorist-and-infowars-into-the-ground/
Who's Alex Jones?
Who's Alex Jones?
Guess you don't know who David Duke is either :whistles:
FMP
He's gotta be a democRAT right?
70,000 jobs lost.
11,000 Pipefitters alone.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trudeau-will-confront-biden-keystone-xl-pipeline-canada-job-losses
Womens sports eliminated.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/21/bidens-exec-order-unlevels-the-playing-field-for-girls/
70,000 jobs lost.
11,000 Pipefitters alone.
The 11K I'll give you but the rest is speculation. Again for perspective, there are currently 12.6 million unemployed in the US. 970K filed just last week.
FMP
Womens sports eliminated.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/21/bidens-exec-order-unlevels-the-playing-field-for-girls/
There's a big difference between 'eliminated' and 'unlevel' but again, it gives those that identify as transgender a voice. Sorry if that bothers you.
FMP
He's gotta be a democRAT right?
Based on the links you post, for you to say you don't know who Alex Jones and David Duke are, especially if you're a ReTrumplican, is absolute nonsense!
You've learned how to use the Tweety spin quite well I have to say!
FMP
Well what about all the job losses here in the UK since this pandemic first unfolded, let alone the USA and the rest of the world?
Should we all be having a go at Bozzer and Co over it all?
Well what about all the job losses here in the UK since this pandemic first unfolded, let alone the USA and the rest of the world?
Should we all be having a go at Bozzer and Co over it all?
Regardless of the demographics or locality, the pandemic has affected the entire world. Regardless of who's in power, policies affect us in some way or another. As Trump so famously quoted in response to the 100's of thousands of deaths in the US due to the pandemic, "It is what it is" - DJT
We have zero control over it and will be subject to the decisions made by our elected officials, good or bad. Personally, I think the pipeline is a negative. Environmentally and socially. IMHO, we should honor the treaties we signed with Native Americans and as far as the jobs? The jobs lost pale in comparison to the rest of the country and the world and far more jobs can be created in the clean energy field which should be our future as opposed to oil, natural gas or coal (remember Tweety saying coal was clean? That turned out to be a positive :wacko:). Tesla is a shining example of the future of energy. Natural energy in the form of solar and wind are the future. Will it happen? Who knows? :shrug: But at least it's a start in the right direction.
FMP
Regardless of the demographics or locality, the pandemic has affected the entire world. Regardless of who's in power, policies affect us in some way or another. As Trump so famously quoted in response to the 100's of thousands of deaths in the US due to the pandemic, "It is what it is" - DJT
We have zero control over it and will be subject to the decisions made by our elected officials, good or bad. Personally, I think the pipeline is a negative. Environmentally and socially. IMHO, we should honor the treaties we signed with Native Americans and as far as the jobs? The jobs lost pale in comparison to the rest of the country and the world and far more jobs can be created in the clean energy field which should be our future as opposed to oil, natural gas or coal (remember Tweety saying coal was clean? That turned out to be a positive :wacko:). Tesla is a shining example of the future of energy. Natural energy in the form of solar and wind are the future. Will it happen? Who knows? :shrug: But at least it's a start in the right direction.
FMP
I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Whoever is in power in whatever country is liable to getting it in the neck right now regardless of how good or bad they have been handling this pandemic so far.
My remark about having digs at Boris Johnson and Co over our own job losses of late was mostly said in jest, BTW, as like I've said above, no matter who was in power would be under fire right now.
It's the nature of much of humankind, the so-called 'blame game'!
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