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WiredIncorrectly
17-06-20, 11:04
The UK has been criticized for it's lack or response to the COVID crisis in the early days. And rightly so. They're about to get s**t on their faces again because mark my words we will be back in lockdown very soon.
During the lockdown the only people I knew that had a confirmed COVID test was my sister in law. It spread around their household and they all had it. But, they got through it. Now they have it again. My brother has been told to self isolate along with his family. He has a positive COVID test and constant coughing fits. That means he's had it twice.
Now I don't give two hoots what the mainstream media is pushing out. I am going from what I am seeing. They said you can't catch it twice ... clearly they were wrong.
Beijing is now back in lockdown. The UK needs to take notice of the fact a second wave is a real possibility. From my point of view the lockdown easing was required to inject some cash back into the economy and get the country moving again. With the virus still about of course it's going to spread! It's common-bloody-sense.
WiseMonkey
17-06-20, 11:59
Because it's such a new virus, the jury's still out on whether immunity happens or not. There are a lot of variables.
I've read that CV can hang on for a long time, people can be coughing for months apparently. Even Prince Charles hasn't got his sense of smell and taste back yet and he had the virus over 2 months ago.
A school pupil was a probable case (she tested negative) but then tested positive 3 months later as a precautionary test before she went back to school. It was classified as a weak positive which indicated residual, dead material. She had been in isolation during the lockdown so had not caught another infection.
It will be interesting to see if all the other members of your brothers family test positive again. Getting sick twice is just terrible.
If people can catch CV twice then Sweden better change it's herd immunity stance!
Any links or is this just random musing?
Any links or is this just random musing?
Just looked at the BBC website and so far today there has been no talk of any second lockdown here in the UK.
travelgirl77
17-06-20, 14:48
I don't know about having it again versus still having the virus in the system. I also know people who have had it and knew they had it, and two months later are still testing positive with it. One of them is a teenager who has some inflammation two months on in his arm. To me, it is astounding how differently this virus impacts individuals. Some don't even know they have it, some have symptoms for two weeks or less and then nothing more, some have horrific symptoms for a month, some have bad symptoms and then a month or two later are still struggling with side effects; it is so variable. Two people at my husband's work tested positive and one just felt off and never developed real symptoms while the other had no symptoms at all (and was tested due to tracing done with the first). I also had someone at my work test positive and this was back in April....he is still coughing.
whispershadow
17-06-20, 15:35
I haven't heard anything about a second lockdown.
I haven't heard anything about a second lockdown.
I think it's more the views of the OP as like I have already mentioned upthread there are no mentions on the BBC about any second lockdown about to happen ATM.
Only time will tell, of course, but we need to at least give this latest easement a chance, coupled with the discovery yesterday that an existing steroid can reduce the likelihood of CV deaths by a third.
The coronaviruses we know about, most of which cause common colds every year, are known to give immunity for at least 6 months to two years. There’s no reason to think this particular coronavirus is any different.
As far as I’m aware, nobody has ever said that having it once means you can’t have it again. In fact, a few recent studies have shown that around 8% of those infected don’t produce antibodies.
It’s also impossible to know that your brother or anyone else was infected previously unless it was proven via testing. Having symptoms suggestive of Covid-19 is far from confirmation that you indeed have it. Just look at the sheer volume of negative tests in the UK alone. The vast majority of these have been carried out on people displaying symptoms.
A second wave is controllable but it depends on a lot of things being done correctly. The aim seems to be better and faster identification of cases and infection control measures being put in place to nullify the threat. Only time will tell if there’s more to come from this virus.
I'm sorry, but what a load of crap you're talking, these are your views only. What proof do you have one of your family members caught covid twice within such a short amount of time? Like someone else stated, you can't be sure without a test, covid can hang around in your body for a while. Maybe you should join the media, I hear they like to install fear into people.
I believe it, because we messed up so badly that of course a second peak can be expected.
I believe it, because we messed up so badly that of course a second peak can be expected.
A second wave of COVID-19 doesn't necessarily mean a second full-on lockdown will definitely happen.
Nevertheless, we should still all remain vigilant though.
WiredIncorrectly
19-06-20, 18:16
Not read any replies. Super busy at the moment. But to update my son has to have a COVID test. Today he too has suddenly developed a persistent cough that is coming from the lungs. He can't control it, but otherwise feels ok. He choked on his toast this morning because he couldn't stop the coughing. He's fine watching TV and reading sonic magazines in his blanket.
Hope everybody is ok and doing well.
WiredIncorrectly
19-06-20, 18:34
Almost getting myself into a panic attack tbf. Like, I'm doing good mentally, but this constant coughing is making me nervous. If he has it I'm bricking it in case I get it. He's coughing 3 to 4 times a minute.
Hope your son gets better quickly.
My daughter had very similar to this in February.
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WiredIncorrectly
20-06-20, 17:40
Hope your son gets better quickly.
My daughter had very similar to this in February.
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My brothers test came back negative. 111 said because my son doesn't have loss of smell or a temperature it's not COVID.
My son still has his cough and it sounds more chesty now. He's still feeling good though and has gone for a walk in the woods with a neighbor. They told him not to self isolate and that he doesn't need a test.
I don't want to spout unconfirmed nonsense. But, something stinks. Both my brother and son have the exact same symptom with the constant coughing fits. Neither have been in contact with each other either directly or indirectly. I'm not saying I don't believe the tests, but I question how accurate the tests are.
They were both told probably a chest infection. Ok, fine it's a possibility, but with a chest infection you would have a cough plus other symptoms. When I have a chest infection I know about it.
Maybe I'm just in lala land.
So when my daughter had this in February she coughed like mad for 2 days, had a tummy ache from all the coughing. Then it went a bit chesty.
She barely had a raised temperature but the doctor gave her antibiotics. It lasted about a week. She was pretty much fine throughout apart from the aches from all the coughing.
I understand your suspicion, but it could just be a cough.
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Just remember that even though Covid-19 exists, it doesn’t mean that every other bug or virus just instantly stopped existing.
WiseMonkey
21-06-20, 07:52
Even though we only have CV cases from returning NZers from overseas (who are all now in quarantine), there are colds around. My daughter who's a high school teacher has had one, she caught from someone at school. She was tested and had to isolate until the test came back, it was negative.
There are still colds around because essential workers didn't go into complete lockdown (like the rest of us) so they still had some pre-lockdown virus's that were not CV. These people were frequently tested. Because of our five week lockdown there are very viral infections around.
Nothing useful to contribute, really, just popping in to wish you and your son the best. There are a lot of things going round that can cause coughs, though, as others have said, and most of them aren't COVID.
Just remember that even though Covid-19 exists, it doesn’t mean that every other bug or virus just instantly stopped existing.
Definitely. It's due to us all being more hypervigilant towards CV, that we now have a tendency to confuse it with other pre-existing bugs, flus and viruses, which we probably wouldn't have given as much as a second thought to prior to this year.
And given our CV risk level was downgraded to 3 on Friday morning, and our cases aren't skyrocketing unlike back in March, again, I think a second full-on lockdown in this country is unlikely ATM.
Pamplemousse
21-06-20, 15:38
Just remember that even though Covid-19 exists, it doesn’t mean that every other bug or virus just instantly stopped existing.
This. Absolutely this.
WiredIncorrectly
22-06-20, 17:49
I agree, of course it could be nothing sinister, but with lockdown restrictions easing and other countries seeing an increase after doing so ... the common sense part of me is telling me the party has only just begun. I am fully convinced we'll be back in lockdown before the end of July. Probably sooner.
I agree, of course it could be nothing sinister, but with lockdown restrictions easing and other countries seeing an increase after doing so ... the common sense part of me is telling me the party has only just begun. I am fully convinced we'll be back in lockdown before the end of July. Probably sooner.
The other countries that have lifted lockdown are seeing sporadic outbreaks in localised areas. It’s a good thing that these are being quickly identified and control measures put in place. Not one nation that has eased lockdown long before us have been back under complete lockdown within one month.
The virus isn’t going to disappear, but there’s no reason to think that it’s going to force us into a full on lockdown that quickly, there’s just no evidence of that happening anywhere else.
Talking of parties..My husband's family have adopted an interesting interpretation on shielding. 2 extremely vulnerable adults mingling freely with guests including someone recently returned from another country..Hope it was all worth it and that the memories of said party will be happy ones only
Pamplemousse
22-06-20, 18:04
I agree, of course it could be nothing sinister, but with lockdown restrictions easing and other countries seeing an increase after doing so ... the common sense part of me is telling me the party has only just begun. I am fully convinced we'll be back in lockdown before the end of July. Probably sooner.
Most likely there'll be localised lockdowns - although quite how you put a cordon round Llangefni or Leicester I do not know. One thing's for sure: don't work in meat processing. Where I live hasn't seen a new case in a fortnight, which is encouraging but it doesn't stop me nigh-on fouling myself every time I step outside my house and encounter people. This week's heatwave will make me stay indoors anyway in the company of my electric fan.
ankietyjoe
22-06-20, 18:06
Talking of parties..My husband's family have adopted an interesting interpretation on shielding. 2 extremely vulnerable adults mingling freely with guests including someone recently returned from another country..Hope it was all worth it and that the memories of said party will be happy ones only
I have neighbours on one side doing this. In their 60s, regular visits from friends and family, including grandkids. What annoys me is that the grandkids are the same age as my youngest (5), and it's *******s like this that mean he can't go back to school yet, even though he wants to. It's all well and good schools implementing measures, but what's the point when the family of the kids behave like only they matter.
I really am getting sick and tired of people in this lockdown. The lockdown part is easy.
Talking of parties..My husband's family have adopted an interesting interpretation on shielding. 2 extremely vulnerable adults mingling freely with guests including someone recently returned from another country..Hope it was all worth it and that the memories of said party will be happy ones only
Yeah, they just said today that Florida has surpassed 100k. They've been partying there like there's no tomorrow. One of my friends down there said the beaches and bars are packed every day. All these young people are either out of work, laid off or attending school online and have nothing else to do.
Pamplemousse
22-06-20, 18:10
I have neighbours on one side doing this. In their 60s, regular visits from friends and family, including grandkids. What annoys me is that the grandkids are the same age as my youngest (5), and it's *******s like this that mean he can't go back to school yet, even though he wants to. It's all well and good schools implementing measures, but what's the point when the family of the kids behave like only they matter.
I really am getting sick and tired of people in this lockdown. The lockdown part is easy.
A very similar situation here, except it's my neighbours on both sides! The best part of today for me was sitting under a canopy of trees at the cemetery where family members are buried. It was shady and very peaceful. The only person I saw was well away from me and she had just been tending to her allotment at the bottom of the cemetery.
The worst bit is that people genuinely do believe it's all but over.
ankietyjoe
22-06-20, 18:27
A very similar situation here, except it's my neighbours on both sides! The best part of today for me was sitting under a canopy of trees at the cemetery where family members are buried. It was shady and very peaceful. The only person I saw was well away from me and she had just been tending to her allotment at the bottom of the cemetery.
The worst bit is that people genuinely do believe it's all but over.
I dunno if it's just me getting old, but people 'appear' to be getting more and more arrogant.
Mind you, people think I'm arrogant so it's probably just swings and roundabouts. At least I don't mean to be. I don't choose to wear it like a badge.
The other countries that have lifted lockdown are seeing sporadic outbreaks in localised areas. It’s a good thing that these are being quickly identified and control measures put in place. Not one nation that has eased lockdown long before us have been back under complete lockdown within one month.
The virus isn’t going to disappear, but there’s no reason to think that it’s going to force us into a full on lockdown that quickly, there’s just no evidence of that happening anywhere else.
Spot on Gary.
The difference between now and the 23rd of March is much greater awareness and knowledge of COVID-19 and how it does its business (no pun intended), despite more work still needing to be done in order to defeat said virus in its entirety (e.g, full development of vaccines/medication and of course better health education).
Last week's developments including the timely discovery of an existing 'steroid' that can reduce the risk of CV deaths by up to a third and our risk level being lowered from 4 to 3 are very promising indeed, while today's daily confirmed case count is in triple figures for the first time since about mid-March (I think) and today's deaths count (in spite of being Monday) is a very lowly 15 whilst it was 36 last Monday.
I know we're still not out of the woods yet and today's stats of course could still be just a (positive) blip, but still heading in the right direction nevertheless.
Fingers crossed!!
Hi Pulisa:hugs: not sure you'll remember me, but when I was a prolific poster we use to chat, hope you're well?
Yes, as stated, its a new virus. We don't know how long the antibodies stay in our systems. A normal cold/flu is 4 weeks. SARS is 2 years. I have a family member who is Matron on a Covid ward in Manchester. All nurses developed and tested positive for covid. All of them are now on the anti body trial yet only half have anti bodies. The logistics of working all this out is a minefield.
My personal opinion is the lockdown we had, was the second wave or the mutated version of covid. Covid has been here much earlier than the Gov want us to believe. Seasonal flu was very low last year/this year. I reckon any outbreaks now will be localised and not national.
I glad everyone is well. I understand your concerns my son also developed covid and it was a worrying time.
Hi Pulisa:hugs: not sure you'll remember me, but when I was a prolific poster we use to chat, hope you're well?
Yes, as stated, its a new virus. We don't know how long the antibodies stay in our systems. A normal cold/flu is 4 weeks. SARS is 2 years. I have a family member who is Matron on a Covid ward in Manchester. All nurses developed and tested positive for covid. All of them are now on the anti body trial yet only half have anti bodies. The logistics of working all this out is a minefield.
My personal opinion is the lockdown we had, was the second wave or the mutated version of covid. Covid has been here much earlier than the Gov want us to believe. Seasonal flu was very low last year/this year. I reckon any outbreaks now will be localised and not national.
I glad everyone is well. I understand your concerns my son also developed covid and it was a worrying time.
I reckon you're probably correct in the sense that COVID-19 was already within our shores much earlier than was officially announced as many have said that they had much worse than normal flu-like symptoms that tick all the boxes for CV at both the very end of last year and the very beginning of this year, and me and my family had it mid-way through February this year, and it's already been speculated that CV was here in the UK and mainland Europe as early as December (2019).
I think we were simply just unaware of its existence at the time, even though there may already had been deaths attributed to it without us and the experts even knowing.
At least ATM our daily case count is down to pre-lockdown triple figures (874 today).
Pamplemousse
24-06-20, 11:22
I reckon you're probably correct in the sense that COVID-19 was already within our shores much earlier than was officially announced as many have said that they had much worse than normal flu-like symptoms that tick all the boxes for CV at both the very end of last year and the very beginning of this year, and me and my family had it mid-way through February this year, and it's already been speculated that CV was here in the UK and mainland Europe as early as December (2019).
I think we were simply just unaware of its existence at the time, even though there may already had been deaths attributed to it without us and the experts even knowing.
At least ATM our daily case count is down to pre-lockdown triple figures (874 today).
I did read elsewhere (sorry, I can't link to it but it was an article on the BBC website) that yes, it may have been around earlier but it was more likely another coronavirus known as OC43. I think that may have been what caused the terrible cough I had in late November/early December; certainly I know many people who were very ill in February and almost laid out with coughs and a fever and I assumed they were just 'late to the party' and had just caught what I had earlier as (a) it was similar to what I had and (b) I didn't catch it from them.
Whilst not wishing to play the part of Jeremiah here, I do hope that the Bacchanalian that'll be the 4th of July won't put us back to square one. If you remember, when people were advised to stop drinking in pubs at the outset of all this it turned, as a friend of mine said, into something resembling the last days of Sodom and Gomorrah until an actual lockdown forced the issue.
As Boris says ..we know we can depend on the Great British Public showing Common Sense here...
I suggest that a Common Sense App is made available for those who need to be enlightened.
For those considering a safe haven away from home...The Isles Of Scilly have not had one recorded case of Covid so far...according to ITV News.
I did read elsewhere (sorry, I can't link to it but it was an article on the BBC website) that yes, it may have been around earlier but it was more likely another coronavirus known as OC43. I think that may have been what caused the terrible cough I had in late November/early December; certainly I know many people who were very ill in February and almost laid out with coughs and a fever and I assumed they were just 'late to the party' and had just caught what I had earlier as (a) it was similar to what I had and (b) I didn't catch it from them.
Whilst not wishing to play the part of Jeremiah here, I do hope that the Bacchanalian that'll be the 4th of July won't put us back to square one. If you remember, when people were advised to stop drinking in pubs at the outset of all this it turned, as a friend of mine said, into something resembling the last days of Sodom and Gomorrah until an actual lockdown forced the issue.
On the other hand, I guess we shall see next week as to whether the reopening of our 'non-essential' shops and other facilities here in England since 15th June has had any significant impact on CV cases. Up until now, so far so good, but of course anything could change at any time.
We better get used to these lockdowns going forward as they're going to happen on a regular basis. This was a drill to get us trained and it has exceeded beyond their wildest expectations. Covid being a magic virus means it can be brought back as and when needed to shut down the whole country or even selected areas. It can be made to disappear as well when there are BLM "protests".
We better get used to these lockdowns going forward as they're going to happen on a regular basis. This was a drill to get us trained and it has exceeded beyond their wildest expectations. Covid being a magic virus means it can be brought back as and when needed to shut down the whole country or even selected areas. It can be made to disappear as well when there are BLM "protests".
How do you know these lockdowns will be happening on a 'regular basis'?
Are you some kind of scientist/qualified expert?
Whatever the event, only time will tell.
Double drat..Hollow has penetrated the system..
As Boris says ..we know we can depend on the Great British Public showing Common Sense here...
I suggest that a Common Sense App is made available for those who need to be enlightened.
For those considering a safe haven away from home...The Isles Of Scilly have not had one recorded case of Covid so far...according to ITV News.
LMAO :roflmao:
We better get used to these lockdowns going forward as they're going to happen on a regular basis. This was a drill to get us trained and it has exceeded beyond their wildest expectations. Covid being a magic virus means it can be brought back as and when needed to shut down the whole country or even selected areas. It can be made to disappear as well when there are BLM "protests".
Oh Hollow.
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I got a whole bunch of tin foil if anyone needs a hat here. Hollow?
I got a whole bunch of tin foil if anyone needs a hat here. Hollow?
Everyone except me and KK :D
You two should be styled The Incredible HollKK partnership.
I think we should replace the Gov's 5pm sermon with a daily Doc Coleman musing on here.
Even better, how about daily briefings hosted by David Icke? Seriously that would be way more entertaining than Matt Hancock et al.
Even better, how about daily briefings hosted by David Icke? Seriously that would be way more entertaining than Matt Hancock et al.
For anyone missing their night on the (rep)tiles?
Everyone except me and KK :D
I also make tin-foil bracelets and necklaces ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eP_L5w0IvU
For anyone missing their night on the (rep)tiles?Groan, that's awful Pulisa. Still raised a chuckle though.
We better get used to these lockdowns going forward as they're going to happen on a regular basis. This was a drill to get us trained and it has exceeded beyond their wildest expectations. Covid being a magic virus means it can be brought back as and when needed to shut down the whole country or even selected areas. It can be made to disappear as well when there are BLM "protests".
I don't think a bioweapon is that easy to control!
WiredIncorrectly
24-06-20, 22:39
I still watch Icke on Bitchute. He's no idol, but he has a point sometimes. I've got his reptile book :roflmao: ... haven't even started reading it though.
PM confirmed second wave a real risk. If a second wave is a real risk then wtf is he doing releasing people outdoors and back to work? It's all messed up what is going on. No protocol at all yet if a second wave happens it will be the people blamed; the people who followed his advice.
MyNameIsTerry
24-06-20, 23:37
I got a whole bunch of tin foil if anyone needs a hat here. Hollow?
I've got some Sage & Onion stuffing :whistles:
WiseMonkey
24-06-20, 23:49
We've had more cases pop up but they've been at the border. In saying this there have been a few border bungles, where the Health Dept, let some people out of quarantine early, (without testing) on compassionate grounds and a couple have tested CV positive since! So lots of panic abound and lots of contact tracing around these people.
Since the Health Dept blunders the PM has now put the military in charge of border control, which she should have done at the start but I guess the govt. didn't want to seen to be too controlling! At least now the gaps won't occur now. It only takes one slip up and CV can get back into the community. With so many ex-pats returning, there are going to be lots of cases at the border.
I still watch Icke on Bitchute. He's no idol, but he has a point sometimes. I've got his reptile book :roflmao: ... haven't even started reading it though.
PM confirmed second wave a real risk. If a second wave is a real risk then wtf is he doing releasing people outdoors and back to work? It's all messed up what is going on. No protocol at all yet if a second wave happens it will be the people blamed; the people who followed his advice.
Well the trouble is ATM, it's a catch-22 situation and our PM is essentially damned if he does lift lockdowns (potential second wave) and damned if he doesn't (further collapse of UK economy).
And of course, it's all still very much a 'trial-and-error' thing.
I don't think a bioweapon is that easy to control!
Still no evidence of that?
Pamplemousse
25-06-20, 09:58
No protocol at all yet if a second wave happens it will be the people blamed; the people who followed his advice.
In one, Sir: this Government is clueless, quite possibly the most talentless bunch of public school/Oxford PPE idiots I've ever had the misfortune to be governed by in my near-six decades on this planet. And yes, the strategy with these fools is to create a "blame tree" that shifts it onto anyone but them - Cummings is already gunning for the Civil Service and yes, when (not if) it all goes belly-up and that second wave comes the excuse will be "but it's your fault, you didn't use your common sense."
That's the trouble with 'common sense' - it's far from common and now people will just use the weak excuse of "well, you didn't do anything about Dominic Cummings".
In one, Sir: this Government is clueless, quite possibly the most talentless bunch of public school/Oxford PPE idiots I've ever had the misfortune to be governed by in my near-six decades on this planet. And yes, the strategy with these fools is to create a "blame tree" that shifts it onto anyone but them - Cummings is already gunning for the Civil Service and yes, when (not if) it all goes belly-up and that second wave comes the excuse will be "but it's your fault, you didn't use your common sense."
That's the trouble with 'common sense' - it's far from common and now people will just use the weak excuse of "well, you didn't do anything about Dominic Cummings".
All in all, the 'blame' culture, which has sadly been going from bad to worse over the past 30 years or so!!
Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
(Both the govt and the general public).
At the end of the day, everyone should ultimately have equal responsibilities in helping to manage this pandemic, but sadly,
as usual, it's the same old, same old 'blame game' thing!!
WiredIncorrectly
25-06-20, 14:35
In one, Sir: this Government is clueless, quite possibly the most talentless bunch of public school/Oxford PPE idiots I've ever had the misfortune to be governed by in my near-six decades on this planet. And yes, the strategy with these fools is to create a "blame tree" that shifts it onto anyone but them - Cummings is already gunning for the Civil Service and yes, when (not if) it all goes belly-up and that second wave comes the excuse will be "but it's your fault, you didn't use your common sense."
That's the trouble with 'common sense' - it's far from common and now people will just use the weak excuse of "well, you didn't do anything about Dominic Cummings".
It's the same tactic they used for Brexit. Blaming everybody but themselves. I did have some hopes riding on Boris, not anymore; he's Dominic's little sock puppet.
WiredIncorrectly
25-06-20, 14:36
I've got some Sage & Onion stuffing :whistles:
I know where you could stuff that to solve your bean farting problem :roflmao:
Pamplemousse
25-06-20, 15:53
It's the same tactic they used for Brexit. Blaming everybody but themselves. I did have some hopes riding on Boris, not anymore; he's Dominic's little sock puppet.
In my youth I was very much a Conservative: but seeing how they treated the disabled first-hand followed by New Labour being possibly even worse, my politics turned gradually leftwards. But... I couldn't vote for a privileged idiot who saw the world through the prism of a sixth-form debating society either, who dreamed of a Socialist Utopia. I refer of course, to Jeremy Corbyn.
So I don't vote any more; where I live you could put a blue rosette on a roadkill badger and it'd end up in Parliament.
Meanwhile, an emergency has been declared in Bournemouth today as it gets overwhelmed by sun-seekers. Your "great British Common Sense", right there.
"Privileged"? He was our last, best hope of bringing an end to the tyranny that Britain faces today! If he was in charge, we'd have conquered this disease already!
In my youth I was very much a Conservative: but seeing how they treated the disabled first-hand followed by New Labour being possibly even worse, my politics turned gradually leftwards. But... I couldn't vote for a privileged idiot who saw the world through the prism of a sixth-form debating society either, who dreamed of a Socialist Utopia. I refer of course, to Jeremy Corbyn.
So I don't vote any more; where I live you could put a blue rosette on a roadkill badger and it'd end up in Parliament.
Meanwhile, an emergency has been declared in Bournemouth today as it gets overwhelmed by sun-seekers. Your "great British Common Sense", right there.
Like Brighton 1964 (or even August 2011) all over again?
Our govt might just as well go the whole hog and impose a second full-on lockdown then. And deploy the troops/riot squads to Bournemouth and other affected areas!!
Looks like this crisis has well and truly sealed the fate of our society in the 2020s, with a bitter harvest of out of control nutcases with the 'f*** you' and 'spit and kick' attitudes, coupled with gangsta-rap music endlessly dominating the charts and corrupting our youth with its constant glorification of crime and violence, and the powers that be seemingly not giving a damn!!
Broken Britain Galore!!
(David Cameron eat your heart out!!)
WiredIncorrectly
25-06-20, 16:57
where I live you could put a blue rosette on a roadkill badger and it'd end up in Parliament.
Ah man thank's for the chuckle Pamplemouse. I actually laughed in real life at that line. True though :)
WiredIncorrectly
25-06-20, 16:58
If he was in charge, we'd have conquered this disease already!
I hope this is sarcasm. To date no human has yet solved the COVID problem.
Pamplemousse
25-06-20, 18:14
Ah man thank's for the chuckle Pamplemouse. I actually laughed in real life at that line. True though :)
Glad to be of service, Sir!
Like Brighton 1964 (or even August 2011) all over again?
Our govt might just as well go the whole hog and impose a second full-on lockdown then. And deploy the troops/riot squads to Bournemouth and other affected areas!!
Looks like this crisis has well and truly sealed the fate of our society in the 2020s, with a bitter harvest of out of control nutcases with the 'f*** you' and 'spit and kick' attitudes, coupled with gangsta-rap music endlessly dominating the charts and corrupting our youth with its constant glorification of crime and violence, and the powers that be seemingly not giving a damn!!
Broken Britain Galore!!
(David Cameron eat your heart out!!)
I was probably feeling a bit over-emotional when I wrote the above over an hour ago, and I don't always mean everything I say at the heat of the moment.
I think I was feeling a bit triggered by the announcement that a 'major incident' had been declared in Bournemouth this afternoon, which is highly emotive lingo that often signifies something gravely ominous like a riot, terrorist attack, etc.
I was already feeling a little on edge most of today because it was mentioned on the BBC News that there was a bit of a 'disturbance' in Brixton, south London last night, due to an all-night street party being broken up by the police and my immediate thought was 'is this soon gonna be August 2011 all over again?', and imagining all kinds of scenarios where our other major cities suddenly go up in flames in 'copycat' disturbances, just like back in August 2011 (and also back in the 80s and early 90s on various occasions), especially with the recent BLM protests both in the UK and worldwide still being fresh in many peoples' conscience.
I know I live in leafy Staffordshire, where the risks of major disturbances like riots and terrorist attacks are generally lower compared to the major cities and conurbations, but you can never say never, especially in this age of 'trial by (social) media', 'virtue signalling' and indeed 'fake news'.
I hope this is sarcasm. To date no human has yet solved the COVID problem.
Precisely...Bring on Pamplemousse's deceased badger MP to solve Covid..He'll soon earn his stripes!
MyNameIsTerry
25-06-20, 21:50
"Privileged"? He was our last, best hope of bringing an end to the tyranny that Britain faces today! If he was in charge, we'd have conquered this disease already!
4 years he dithered over his stance on Brexit. At his final GE shot we still didn't know where he stood whilst he tried to distract questions onto his other policies.
I think you will find he was certainly privileged. Expensive education.
Take Boris out of the loop. You think Corbyn, lifelong backbencher, is better than Merkel? She hasn't solved it and she all but runs most of Europe.
Even so, we'd be safer under her than we are right now under Bob.
MyNameIsTerry
25-06-20, 21:57
In my youth I was very much a Conservative: but seeing how they treated the disabled first-hand followed by New Labour being possibly even worse, my politics turned gradually leftwards. But... I couldn't vote for a privileged idiot who saw the world through the prism of a sixth-form debating society either, who dreamed of a Socialist Utopia. I refer of course, to Jeremy Corbyn.
So I don't vote any more; where I live you could put a blue rosette on a roadkill badger and it'd end up in Parliament.
Same here but a Labour rosette wearing donkey. The seat fell for the first time since it's creation to a Tory in 2017. He increased his majority in 2019, with a new Labour candidate (the old one was no fan of Corbyn).
There are only two factors through this time: Brexit and Corbyn. I won't count anti-Semitism simply because we don't have much of a Jewish community to my knowledge and I believe that issue is more important where there are. I doubt the average Labour voter around here is as bothered about Israel as they are a working bus service :winks:
He was just a figurehead anyway. A new puppet would be in place soon after.
MyNameIsTerry
25-06-20, 22:00
Even so, we'd be safer under her than we are right now under Bob.
Yes, we would be safer under her than Corbyn too. Being decisive is important in a big role and he was anything but that.
Pamplemousse
25-06-20, 23:47
Precisely...Bring on Pamplemousse's deceased badger MP to solve Covid..He'll soon earn his stripes!
Which ones? The white ones or the tyre tracks? :roflmao:
I won't count anti-Semitism simply because we don't have much of a Jewish community to my knowledge and I believe that issue is more important where there are. I doubt the average Labour voter around here is as bothered about Israel as they are a working bus service :winks:
Be careful, that's a slippery slope. How someone treats one group of people can be repeated on another group of people.
WiredIncorrectly
26-06-20, 03:52
It's coming folks ...
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MyNameIsTerry
26-06-20, 05:17
Which ones? The white ones or the tyre tracks? :roflmao:
The first policy could be a cull of MPs to pay them back :yesyes:
MyNameIsTerry
26-06-20, 05:20
Be careful, that's a slippery slope. How someone treats one group of people can be repeated on another group of people.
True. I only said that because all we ever hear about with Labour is Israel, upset UK Jewish groups and they even had a policy in the last manifesto about Palestine. To me this is a metropolitan squabble. Up here it's a very low priority issue. We want to know about jobs and security.
I like how you always say "up here" even though from looking on the map, you don't seem that far north. I guess a little bit makes a big difference.
Where do most of the Jews in the UK live? London? I'm just curious. I obviously need to take another trip to the UK, sometime.
MyNameIsTerry
26-06-20, 05:48
Our distances will mean little to people from countries that dwarf us. When we talk about the other side of the country would you even leave a state crossing that distance?
It's the old north/south divide thing where outside London many heading north would say it. I'm not even in the north but I'm well north to a Londoner.
Yes, most of our Jewish population are around London. Some in the thousands can be found elsewhere such as around other big cities like Manchester and Birmingham.
I've worked around Birmingham loads but like you said on another thread how would we recognise someone unless they are wearing something for us to pick up on? Even darker skin tones can mean little when we have so many migrating here from all over so unless you are familiar with the differences you wouldn't distinguish between them. I think I've only known one Jewish person, or at least one I've known of because he mentioned it.
So in traditional working class towns we would be sick of hearing the Labour party stuck in the middle of this issue rather than hear about things more relevant to our local populations. The media, the opposition and the inner struggles of the party are responsible for much of this coverage. I just think it left a lot of us scratching our heads about why it dominated everything when outside of London we had more pressing issues we wanted to understand their stance on.
That doesn't mean it's still not important, and I know you will understand that reducing the issue is not the intention of my point anyway, but it was like they had suddenly become a Jewish party. My GFs last Labour MP was one of those who stood against it and even suffered threats & abuse because she Jewish. She was a good MP who helped her constituents and lost her seat due to the mess the party ended up in over Brexit.
Our distances will mean little to people from countries that dwarf us. When we talk about the other side of the country would you even leave a state crossing that distance?
It's the old north/south divide thing where outside London many heading north would say it. I'm not even in the north but I'm well north to a Londoner.
So I just looked it up cause I was curious, and you all are a little longer than we here in California ;) You're 1,400 some km and California is 1,200 some km (North-South). Width is about the same too... with Wales and end of Cornwall 500 km, and we're about 450 km.
I get you now. It's like we have Socal and Norcal.
Yeah, while many European Jews (Ashkenazi) fit the whole light skin, brunette curly hair stereotype, there are Jews from all over. Usually the only way you can tell if there is a big Jewish community somewhere is if there are a lot of synagogues.
That doesn't mean it's still not important, and I know you will understand that reducing the issue is not the intention of my point anyway, but it was like they had suddenly become a Jewish party. My GFs last Labour MP was one of those who stood against it and even suffered threats & abuse. She was a good MP who helped her constituents and lost her seat due to the mess the party ended up in over Brexit.
No, I get it. I think you are person that truly understands as well.
Going back to the subject of "Another Lockdown"...here in CA, our governor made an announcement that we could have another lockdown soon. Here in Orange County we've now surpassed our May numbers of Covid. Three OC cities, including my own, have been listed as hot spots. Half of the people in the local university's ICU center are under the age of 50. The governor is saying the increase is due to younger people resuming parties and social gatherings, people getting together for protests, and people having family gatherings.
Well, today Imperial County here in CA was put back on lockdown due to a rise in cases. San Francisco County has halted their reopenings. It seems we're going to take things on a county by county basis for now.
MyNameIsTerry
27-06-20, 04:34
Sounds like the best way but it's going to be interesting how they achieve local lockdowns given workers entering/leaving. I think we will be having some of these especially with all the silly beach behaviour. Germany have started doing it.
Yes, I’m wondering if they’re going to close beaches and bars again.
Pamplemousse
27-06-20, 10:15
Sounds like the best way but it's going to be interesting how they achieve local lockdowns given workers entering/leaving. I think we will be having some of these especially with all the silly beach behaviour. Germany have started doing it.
It might happen. The Ship Of Fools (HMG) has decided that local lockdowns are for councils to do, not them - and they've now firmly established that if it spikes, it's because You The Public didn't use your 'Great British Common Sense'. After all, they've got donors to reward.
It's more likely to be a 'Spanish Flu' scenario in this country now - a deadlier second wave that attacks the younger and allegedly healthier part of the population because they thought they were immune, because Karen on Facebook told them so.
Never mind the beach behaviour - when the Philandering Pork Haystack announced pubs could re-open on a Saturday in mid-summer (picking American Independence Day - Berk!) you can guarantee that with every 'Spoons in the country open and the streets awash with cheap booze that the drunken disorder that will break out will completely overwhelm the police. Sturgeon at least saw the stupidity of that and made it a Monday...
I honestly cannot believe that they have decided to open pubs in England on a Saturday, that is one of the most stupid ideas I’ve ever heard. Up here in SNPland, it’s a Monday that they reopen.
I hope that people are sensible but I’ve got a feeling that it’s going to be chaos.
Pamplemousse
27-06-20, 13:44
I honestly cannot believe that they have decided to open pubs in England on a Saturday, that is one of the most stupid ideas I’ve ever heard. Up here in SNPland, it’s a Monday that they reopen.
I hope that people are sensible but I’ve got a feeling that it’s going to be chaos.
It's the sort of thing Jolly Japes Johnson would do, no doubt as a favour to Mr. Martin for his support.
You have to remember that here in England we had a choice of either a very earnest, achingly worthy Geography supply teacher locked in a 1970s student revolt mindset of returning us all to the bad bits of the 1970s or "Funtime Boris", who was going to deliver us from the evil shackles of the EUSSR and is such a larf, innee? So people chose the latter. They may live to regret this, if Covid-19 doesn't get them first.
'Chaos' doesn't enter into it. Now imagine recent events all over the country with fat, neckless white blokes pissed by 3 o'clock. "What are you going to do about it, copper? There's more of us than there are you." will be the phrase heard everywhere. I'm intending to get any additional shopping and whatever done by Thursday at the latest and I am staying indoors after that. And I shall watch those case figures rise in every part of the land a couple of weeks later.
For me covid 19 is over. No more silly masks or hand sanitizer and if someone wants to keep 6 feet away from me that's up to them they better move out of the way. if I want to go into a place and get a sandwich I'll pull my shirt up over my nose but it's only to get the sandwich. I'm shaking hands and breathing freely. They can lock down anything they want to, I'll just go around them. The crisis is over! Hallelujah!
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So this is it, then? This virus will annihilate mankind!
Pamplemousse
27-06-20, 17:38
So this is it, then? This virus will annihilate mankind!
It has been suggested elsewhere that a virus that could form within intensively-reared poultry (as in the US and China) could have the potential to wipe out 50% of humanity. See https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8370969/The-apocalyptic-killer-virus-coming-home-roost.html
PM, I don't think we should give Frank any more things to worry about :wacko:
It's from the Daily Fail though so comic book stuff.
So this is it, then? This virus will annihilate mankind!
At worst it has a mortality rate of around 2%, maybe even less. No, it won’t annihilate mankind, that’s just hysterical nonsense.
At worst it has a mortality rate of around 2%, maybe even less. No, it won’t annihilate mankind, that’s just hysterical nonsense.
I think it's way way way less, Gary. I think you might suspect the same.
I think it's way way way less, Gary. I think you might suspect the same.
As I’ve always said we can only get a truly accurate mortality rate with much higher levels of the population tested for antibodies.
Just be careful, though, as relying on mortality alone to judge how dangerous a virus is is very short sighted. 1-2% mortality might seem low but a virus with an unchecked R number of 3, an incubation period of up to 14 days along with asymptomatic transmission has the potential to infect vast amounts of the population. Suddenly that 1-2% equates to hundreds of thousands of deaths.
Pamplemousse
27-06-20, 19:06
PM, I don't think we should give Frank any more things to worry about :wacko:
I'm encouraging Frank to look at that and spot the flaws. Y'know, bit like those people who go against the established medical narrative and then comes BUY MY BOOK/JUNK!!
If anyone comes up with medical 'wisdom' and tries to sell me stuff it automatically gets binned.
It does also bring home that intensive production of meat is bad for the planet and humankind as a whole.
https://i.postimg.cc/R0VmMxT9/Eb-Ugi-A-XQAASe-DV.jpg
Pamplemousse
27-06-20, 19:07
As I’ve always said we can only get a truly accurate mortality rate with much higher levels of the population tested for antibodies.
Just be careful, though, as relying on mortality alone to judge how dangerous a virus is is very short sighted. 1-2% mortality might seem low but a virus with an unchecked R number of 3, an incubation period of up to 14 days along with asymptomatic transmission has the potential to infect vast amounts of the population. Suddenly that 1-2% equates to hundreds of thousands of deaths.
2% in the US equates to six million dead: in the UK, about 1.35 million.
I'm encouraging Frank to look at that and spot the flaws. Y'know, bit like those people who go against the established medical narrative and then comes BUY MY BOOK/JUNK!!
If anyone comes up with medical 'wisdom' and tries to sell me stuff it automatically gets binned.
It does also bring home that intensive production of meat is bad for the planet and humankind as a whole.
https://i.postimg.cc/R0VmMxT9/Eb-Ugi-A-XQAASe-DV.jpg
;) very true. It's usually how I view the anti-vaxxers.
It has been suggested elsewhere that a virus that could form within intensively-reared poultry (as in the US and China) could have the potential to wipe out 50% of humanity. See https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8370969/The-apocalyptic-killer-virus-coming-home-roost.html
That would be the final insult to what is already an annus horribilis.
Blimey, the Daily Fail just don't know when to stop with their endless Armageddon propaganda do they!!
Ditto the Daily Depress!!
MyNameIsTerry
27-06-20, 21:58
That reminds me, I must rewatch the Resident Evil film series https://yoursmiles.org/hsmile/mystic/h0505.gif
As I’ve always said we can only get a truly accurate mortality rate with much higher levels of the population tested for antibodies.
Just be careful, though, as relying on mortality alone to judge how dangerous a virus is is very short sighted. 1-2% mortality might seem low but a virus with an unchecked R number of 3, an incubation period of up to 14 days along with asymptomatic transmission has the potential to infect vast amounts of the population. Suddenly that 1-2% equates to hundreds of thousands of deaths.
The only way to get a somewhat accurate mortality rate worldwide is calculate known covid deaths worldwide by world population. Though there is so much money involved now it's difficult to get an accurate death rate. It you want to get the death rate of a specific place take the confirmed covid deaths of that place and calculate by the population of that place.
feelthelove
28-06-20, 00:57
I pray there is not another lockdown and closing of businesses, we've only just reopened and a second closure will be the end of our business and we would lose everything including the house.
I am sick of this virus and sick of the impact the lockdown has had on people , I feel it is all over the top and sense something more is happening than a virus .
I pray there is not another lockdown and closing of businesses, we've only just reopened and a second closure will be the end of our business and we would lose everything including the house.
I am sick of this virus and sick of the impact the lockdown has had on people , I feel it is all over the top and sense something more is happening than a virus .
I am so with you on that. My heart goes out to you and the literally millions who've lost businesses. And then on top of covid comes a bunch of ahole rioters to destroy more businesses and jobs. I pray you can survive it all friend.
MyNameIsTerry
28-06-20, 04:39
I think it's way way way less, Gary. I think you might suspect the same.
As I’ve always said we can only get a truly accurate mortality rate with much higher levels of the population tested for antibodies.
Just be careful, though, as relying on mortality alone to judge how dangerous a virus is is very short sighted. 1-2% mortality might seem low but a virus with an unchecked R number of 3, an incubation period of up to 14 days along with asymptomatic transmission has the potential to infect vast amounts of the population. Suddenly that 1-2% equates to hundreds of thousands of deaths.
The BBC dedicated webpage is good if you want to see trends and they've added a local trend to the post code search facility. Earlier they added the deaths as originally it was diagnosed only. But it's very wrong as (which it states) the counts are the old 'died whilst had Covid' issue. My post code comes out at 11% with the county 23%.
Basically meaningless data.
MyNameIsTerry
28-06-20, 04:42
I pray there is not another lockdown and closing of businesses, we've only just reopened and a second closure will be the end of our business and we would lose everything including the house.
I am sick of this virus and sick of the impact the lockdown has had on people , I feel it is all over the top and sense something more is happening than a virus .
I really hope you avoid any further ones, FTL. You need time to get yourselves back on your feet and recover your losses. It's easy for the big businesses who can sack workers but still pay the directors but with SMEs there can be little wiggle room.
feelthelove
28-06-20, 07:47
Thank you for the replies both , my husband is a sole trader I used to work along side him , but i couldn't do that with caring for my mum thirty five plus hours a week so I had to choose to care for her .
I'm not sure the governement will want to ruin the economy more than it is if that is even possible , but i have my doubts it seems the covid 19 bill that was passed is for two years so its a huge possibility .
We've already had four months holiday break on our mortgage we don't want more adding to the balance.
The good thing is for us is that we have some equity on our home if we have to sell and it is what we plan to do now as the house is too big for two people, four bedrooms two bathrooms .
It's ready to go on the market when we are ready , but if the housing market is wrecked also then who knows what will happen.
These days I don't worry so much because what will be will be and what's the point in ruining today when the situation cannot be changed anyway .
So I just hope and pray things will get better for us all .
What would have happened if we didn't shut down a single business but took all the same precautions? I suspect we would be in the same exact place covid-wise that we are now. But the economy would be fully entact. Someone put a graphic up showing how effective two people wearing masks is at containing the spread - extremely effective. And it has come to light that getting it from contacting surfaces is very difficult. Also, it's been found that it is very difficult to get the virus from an asymptomatic virus carrying person - according to a CDC official. I can tell you that my wife has seen thousands of covid cases come through her hospital as a respiratory therapist (you don't get more hands on than that) and she nor a single person in her Respiratory Department has contracted the virus. BTW there are a total of just 4 covid 19 patients currently in her hospital.
N.
What would have happened if we didn't shut down a single business but took all the same precautions? I suspect we would be in the same exact place covid-wise that we are now. But the economy would be fully entact. Someone put a graphic up showing how effective two people wearing masks is at containing the spread - extremely effective. And it has come to light that getting it from contacting surfaces is very difficult. Also, it's been found that it is very difficult to get the virus from an asymptomatic virus carrying person - according to a CDC official. I can tell you that my wife has seen thousands of covid cases come through her hospital as a respiratory therapist (you don't get more hands on than that) and she nor a single person in her Respiratory Department has contracted the virus. BTW there are a total of just 4 covid 19 patients currently in her hospital.
N.
You say it yourself. “It’s came to light, it’s been found etc”. As data becomes available and the virus is better understood we can then look at what we did right and what we did wrong. At the time, we had a call to make on how best to deal with a virus that there was little understanding of.
Even now, again, only 7 months after anyone became aware of its existence, there are huge questions over immunity, infectiousness and transmission. In time, I’m betting that we’ll realise that things could have been done differently. At the time, though, it was a straight choice between locking down and not locking down. I can’t fault anyone for opting to lock down given the limited data they were working with.
You say it yourself. “It’s came to light, it’s been found etc”. As data becomes available and the virus is better understood we can then look at what we did right and what we did wrong. At the time, we had a call to make on how best to deal with a virus that there was little understanding of.
Even now, again, only 7 months after anyone became aware of its existence, there are huge questions over immunity, infectiousness and transmission. In time, I’m betting that we’ll realise that things could have been done differently. At the time, though, it was a straight choice between locking down and not locking down. I can’t fault anyone for opting to lock down given the limited data they were working with.
Yes, as far as lockdowns were concerned, our authorities were basically 'damned if they did and damned if they didn't'.
I'm sure you're right, despite much more work still needing to be done, there is generally a lot more knowledge and awareness of COVID-19 now than 3-4 months ago.
And it's probably more feasible for any necessary lockdowns from now on to be more localised in the worst affected areas, rather than full-on national ones.
Oh cra*p... Australians are panic buying loo rolls again (according to my daughter's online "research")!
We need to prepare for the same siege here in the UK so I'm going to take advantage of any BOGOFF offers in the coming days. We all remember Last Time and the prospect of crackly DM newsprint making its mark on our nether regions..
You say it yourself. “It’s came to light, it’s been found etc”. As data becomes available and the virus is better understood we can then look at what we did right and what we did wrong. At the time, we had a call to make on how best to deal with a virus that there was little understanding of.
Even now, again, only 7 months after anyone became aware of its existence, there are huge questions over immunity, infectiousness and transmission. In time, I’m betting that we’ll realise that things could have been done differently. At the time, though, it was a straight choice between locking down and not locking down. I can’t fault anyone for opting to lock down given the limited data they were working with.
okay so that being said then you would agree there's no need for another shutdown. Where people are losing their livelihoods by the millions.
What would have happened if we didn't shut down a single business but took all the same precautions? I suspect we would be in the same exact place covid-wise that we are now. But the economy would be fully entact. Someone put a graphic up showing how effective two people wearing masks is at containing the spread - extremely effective. And it has come to light that getting it from contacting surfaces is very difficult. Also, it's been found that it is very difficult to get the virus from an asymptomatic virus carrying person - according to a CDC official. I can tell you that my wife has seen thousands of covid cases come through her hospital as a respiratory therapist (you don't get more hands on than that) and she nor a single person in her Respiratory Department has contracted the virus. BTW there are a total of just 4 covid 19 patients currently in her hospital.
N.
I agree that more businesses could have stayed opened originally with the protections that we have in place now. But what about schools? Or cruise ships? Or amusement parks? I'm not sure we had any choice but to close those.
Oh cra*p... Australians are panic buying loo rolls again (according to my daughter's online "research")!
We need to prepare for the same siege here in the UK so I'm going to take advantage of any BOGOFF offers in the coming days. We all remember Last Time and the prospect of crackly DM newsprint making its mark on our nether regions..
Copycat behaviours?
What did our last Great Toilet Roll Stampede back in March really achieve here in the UK?
Nothing, as there were no actual shortages at all, it was just hysteria that was mostly hyped up by the (social and conventional) media scaremongering and the resulting pack mentality!!
A kind of self-fulfilling prophecy IMO.
okay so that being said then you would agree there's no need for another shutdown. Where people are losing their livelihoods by the millions.
I don’t think there will be another nationwide lockdown in the UK or the US, I think any further lockdowns will be localised.
MyNameIsTerry
28-06-20, 21:56
Copycat behaviours?
What did our last Great Toilet Roll Stampede back in March really achieve here in the UK?
Nothing, as there were no actual shortages at all, it was just hysteria that was mostly hyped up by the (social and conventional) media scaremongering and the resulting pack mentality!!
A kind of self-fulfilling prophecy IMO.
Ah, but something was achieved...brand new Bentleys all round for supermarket CEOs. They sat back watching it happen and acted, reluctantly, far too late :winks:
Ah, but something was achieved...brand new Bentleys all round for supermarket CEOs. They sat back watching it happen and acted, reluctantly, far too late :winks:
I bet you mean the dosh they probably all raked in through the sales of toilet rolls going through the roof in their stores!!
However, push bike sales have also been going through the roof since our original lockdown, with demand actually outstripping supply in many cases, but no frenzied hysteria though!!
MyNameIsTerry
28-06-20, 22:11
I bet you mean the dosh they probably all raked in through the sales of toilet rolls going through the roof in their stores!!
However, push bike sales have also been going through the roof since our original lockdown, with demand actually outstripping supply in many cases, but no frenzied hysteria though!!
Yes, I do. And look at all the "my cleaning product kills 99.9% plus Covid" adverts that pooped up weeks after lockdown started.
Yep dunny paper is hard to get here again:mad: People going crazy again what’s wrong with wiping your ass with a gum leaf plenty of Eucalyptus Trees around and gum trees :roflmao:
MyNameIsTerry
29-06-20, 04:38
Yep dunny paper is hard to get here again:mad: People going crazy again what’s wrong with wiping your ass with a gum leaf plenty of Eucalyptus Trees around and gum trees :roflmao:
The humans did what on own food???
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/422447263953453056/qCjvXc89.jpeg
Well, they're shutting down bars here in CA because too many people are not following the rules of distancing and mask wearing.
Nano antibodies from alpacas are currently being analysed as a potential Covid treatment..My daughter works on a farm with 3 alpacas in residence so I think they should be fiercely guarded!
The humans did what on own food???
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/422447263953453056/qCjvXc89.jpegP
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Stupid Bear Grills :roflmao:
Nano antibodies from alpacas are currently being analysed as a potential Covid treatment..My daughter works on a farm with 3 alpacas in residence so I think they should be fiercely guarded!
Another source of potential hope!!
MyNameIsTerry
30-06-20, 04:44
So, Leicester goes all the way down the big snake to essential shops only. There were 15 places on a map seeing increases on one media site so it remains to be seen if they put more in local lockdown.
Those graphs have gone a bit flat but you would expect some increase in new cases as everyone leaves their caves. The question is always whether it is within expected tolerances.
Leicester even made our local news tonight. But I think the anchor lady got tripped up on its pronunciation. Is it supposed to be Less-ter or Lie-ster?
Pamplemousse
30-06-20, 07:04
Leicester even made our local news tonight. But I think the anchor lady got tripped up on its pronunciation. Is it supposed to be Less-ter or Lie-ster?
The former.
Now, this is not good news:
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/swine-flu-strain-human-pandemic-potential-increasingly-found-chinese-pigs
I saw that too, PM. Very creepy:wacko:
WiredIncorrectly
01-07-20, 16:41
My theory is the lockdown is only being eased because the economy is about to collapse.
I find it fk*ing ludicrous they're using alcohol sales to prop it back up. Plasted all over the media is talk about pubs, and "when can I drink again". Some media outlets recommending a yard stick to save going back to the bar. Celebrations everywhere because people can go into a pub. What the actual f....
I don't drink. My friend is in court because she was caught smoking a joint in her garden. She uses it for MS. You can see why I'm angry.
It will be full on lockdown soon. It's inevitable.
They've closed our bars again here in CA, especially in time for the Independence Day weekend. Some people are pissed, but with the uptick in cases and so many not following the rules while in the bars, I really feel like they had no choice.
My theory is the lockdown is only being eased because the economy is about to collapse.
I find it fk*ing ludicrous they're using alcohol sales to prop it back up. Plasted all over the media is talk about pubs, and "when can I drink again". Some media outlets recommending a yard stick to save going back to the bar. Celebrations everywhere because people can go into a pub. What the actual f....
I don't drink. My friend is in court because she was caught smoking a joint in her garden. She uses it for MS. You can see why I'm angry.
It will be full on lockdown soon. It's inevitable.
And some people are still blaming our current economic 'collapse' on the Tory cuts and Brexit, whilst seemingly overlooking the CV pandemic!!
As for the likelihood of a second full-on national lockdown, all I can say is only time will tell at this stage.
WiredIncorrectly
01-07-20, 17:10
And some people are still blaming our current economic 'collapse' on the Tory cuts and Brexit, whilst seemingly overlooking the CV pandemic!!
Wow, seriously? I mean it probably doesn't surprise me. There's so many "movements" going on at the moment against the establishment. I don't know much about economics, but I do play prison architect, and when my prisoners are unhappy riots break out. I can't help but think full scale riots and looting globally is likely? China have just introduced a new law that their country is going wild over.
It's all a bit surreal compared to this time last year.
Edit: This time pre-2016 :whistles:
Wow, seriously? I mean it probably doesn't surprise me. There's so many "movements" going on at the moment against the establishment. I don't know much about economics, but I do play prison architect, and when my prisoners are unhappy riots break out. I can't help but think full scale riots and looting globally is likely? China have just introduced a new law that their country is going wild over.
It's all a bit surreal compared to this time last year.
Edit: This time pre-2016 :whistles:
Can't really compare current UK issues and the reaction of the Chinese to their new law like-for-like though.
Whilst I do agree people seem to be getting indignant over almost anything and using any old excuse to let rip pretty much the world over ATM, I think there is a lot of pack mentality, virtue signalling, and elements of 'outrage by proxy' going on, especially as the world has increasingly become a smaller place over the past 20-odd years or so, mainly owing to the advent modern mass communication technology.
Well, our governor is expected to hold a press conference at lunch time today to announce more restrictions. I know we want to nip the rising cases in the bud like we did back in March, but I'm not sure if that's possible now given the rest of the country and how little other states are doing to stop the cases. Other states aren't even requiring masks.
This is exactly how World War II started!
Just read an interesting article on the BBC website about misinformation circulating online concerning rumours of imminent local lockdowns in certain towns/cities mostly in the north of England, whose local authorities have reassured their residents that there are (currently) no immediate proposals to impose local lockdowns in said areas, contrary to widespread speculation, and only applies to Leicester at present.
This is exactly how World War II started!
I understand your concerns but we can't really compare 'like-for-like' the current situation with that of 80-odd years ago.
Pamplemousse
01-07-20, 18:40
My theory is the lockdown is only being eased because the economy is about to collapse.
I find it fk*ing ludicrous they're using alcohol sales to prop it back up. Plasted all over the media is talk about pubs, and "when can I drink again". Some media outlets recommending a yard stick to save going back to the bar. Celebrations everywhere because people can go into a pub. What the actual f....
The three main drivers of the UK economy are financial services, the defence industry and the creative industries. Hospitality employs some three million people. The "yard stick" you mentioned was in fact a quote from the "haunted pencil", as some call Jacob Rees-Mogg, who suggested that people should drink "yards of ale" as a helpful distancing guide. Because it's so British, obviously.
Apart from the fact it makes quite the weapon, the last time I saw a yard of ale (and a half-yard) was in an English-themed pub in Atlanta, where they even came with a wooden stand to put by your chair... the theme of this pub also suggested that electricity had yet to come to Merrie England.
Pamplemousse
01-07-20, 18:53
Just read an interesting article on the BBC website about misinformation circulating online concerning rumours of imminent local lockdowns in certain towns/cities mostly in the north of England, whose local authorities have reassured their residents that there are (currently) no immediate proposals to impose local lockdowns in said areas, contrary to widespread speculation, and only applies to Leicester at present.
The link, in case anyone is interested:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/53248531
The link, in case anyone is interested:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/53248531
Thanks Pamplemousse.
WiredIncorrectly
02-07-20, 15:31
Some of these news outlets needs shutting down for sensationalizing the rumours. Daily Express first. DM second.
Some of these news outlets needs shutting down for sensationalizing the rumours. Daily Express first. DM second.
Agreed, they are the absolute pits!!
And an international embarrassment to this country!!
WiredIncorrectly
02-07-20, 17:00
Sensationalism? https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-new-cases-rise-in-36-local-authorities-in-england-12019667
TheRambler
03-07-20, 23:52
When it comes to misinformation you really don't need to look beyond our so called government and their propaganda arm the BBC. Despite all of the evidence to the contrary they still stick to the figure of 44,000 deaths from Covid-19 (see link below).
Evidence 1. As identified by the Office of National Statistics there are 36,000 ish "more deaths than would normally be expected compared to other years", but the government is still saying that its only 44,000 in total.
Evidence 2. The above figures are based on a comparison against the 5 year average, probably based on the last 5 years. However hasn't anyone noticed that: A) Very few people are in work, therefore there must be a corresponding drop in industrial / work related accidents / deaths. B) The volume of traffic on the roads has been massively reduced, therefore the number of road accidents must also be reduced.
The logical conclusion is; that the number of "normal" deaths in the UK in 2020 must actually be way below that of the 5 year average. Therefore any measurements looking at deaths above the 5 year average will be flawed because there will be a large number of "average deaths" that didn't happen because we weren't at work or on the roads, so what killed them.
As per the BBC (see link below), If you take the government's figure of 44,000 and add in those where CV is mentioned but no test carried out and you have 54,000 approx. Then add the O N S estimate of "Additional Deaths" the number rises to 65,000+. But you still have all those "industrial" and "road accident" deaths as mentioned, which no one has yet measured????
So why are the government ignoring the true figures and constantly quoting 44,000 as the total when its clearly BS.
The answer: This government made such a hash of the whole Covid-19 pandemic from day one. that they will try anything they can to play down their screw-up. In February Bozo refused an offer from the EU to participate in a bulk order of P P E to be placed by ALL member states for their use, instead he placed an order on Turkey and received sub-standard products that were useless. He also placed an order on China and received goods sized for Chinese physical build, much too small for the average person in the UK. In March they started testing (6 weeks after the WHO advised to "Test, Test, Test"), then within a couple of weeks they abandoned it. Also in March our great leader Boris (Bozo) Johnson advised that there was "no point" in wearing face masks in public as they offer little or no protection. Now; the testing that was "of no benefit" in March is suddenly our saviour and The face masks that were of "little or no benefit" must now be worn on public transport, airports etc......
How many cases / deaths have been caused by inaction and completely wrong and misleading information being fed to the UK public by Bozo and his team and the BBC??
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274
These excess deaths happened as a direct consequence of the lockdown and the majority of them will be of the elderly. They were taken out of hospitals and dumped into care homes and basically left there to die. Then you have people who had treatments cancelled for serious health conditions and many others who died at home because they didn't receive appropriate medical care. You also had a situation where people were too afraid to go to hospitals because NHS was in danger of being "overwhelmed". There are similar trends in other countries where deaths spiked as soon as lockdowns went into place.
‘The lockdown is causing so many deaths’
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/06/26/the-lockdown-is-causing-so-many-deaths/
The clarion call was to clear the hospitals of patients. There was a point when my local hospital was a quarter full. Staff were wandering around with nothing to do. You hear this idea that all NHS staff have been working 20 times as hard as they have ever done. This is complete nonsense. An awful lot of people have been standing around wondering what the hell to do with themselves. A&E has never been so quiet.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/RTH96-9vZnI/hqdefault.jpg
The Lockdowns in Aus worked what you are saying is a load of bullshit.
Maybe if Bozo the clown and along with Don the Con your country wouldn’t have been hit as hard,and ignorant people not listening to wise advice from prominent health doctors worldwide.
You can stick all your Conspiracy Theories up your clacker.
I love how people are now coming out saying that locking down was a waste of time because hospitals didn’t get overrun. Isn’t it obvious that the reason they weren’t overrun was because of the lockdown? 99% of the arguments against lockdown actually do nothing but show that lockdown did what it said on the tin.
There’s a good and very true statement in that article, though, and it’s one I think some people really need to pay attention to. Epidemiologists would rather overestimate a risk by 100% than under estimate it by 10%.
Imperial college, and specifically Neil Ferguson, seem to be a good candidate for certain folk venting their spleen, but they simply HAVE TO model out a worst case scenario and pin a likelihood to it. That’s exactly what they did.
One day we will know for sure what could have been done better and what actions were basically overreactions, but at the time we were facing a quickly spreading pandemic that was probably on our shores before anyone even knew. It’s all well and good being a seer now after a few months and saying “I knew we didn’t need that”, but at the time people were being asked to make a call on a virus that was 2 months old.
The Lockdowns in Aus worked what you are saying is a load of bullshit.
Maybe if Bozo the clown and along with Don the Con your country wouldn’t have been hit as hard,and ignorant people not listening to wise advice from prominent health doctors worldwide.
You can stick all your Conspiracy Theories up your clacker.
How do you know the lockdowns worked?
How do you know the lockdowns worked?
They worked from an epidemiological standpoint, as every nation that introduced lockdown measures reduced transmission rates in their respective populations. At a peak the UK was diagnosing around 8000 new cases per day and there were around 900 deaths per day.
Now, with almost 4 months under lockdown measures, there are under 1000 new cases per day and around 100 new deaths. I don’t know how anyone can look at those numbers and come to the conclusion that lockdowns didn’t work.
This virus only goes in waves when we make it go in waves. It’s like a forest fire, so long as it has wood to burn it’ll keep burning. Remove the wood from its path and it has nowhere to go. That’s clearly how this virus operates, it’s clearly not seasonal and it’s clearly not adversely affected by weather. It just goes where it needs to go, if we provide fuel it’ll keep burning.
Social distancing, face masks, hand washing, disinfecting, wiping aren't lockdown. I think we should have done that without locking everything down where literally hundreds of millions lost their livelihoods. Mostly younger people. And the self employed have been devastated.
WiredIncorrectly
04-07-20, 16:29
The Lockdowns in Aus worked what you are saying is a load of bullshit.
Maybe if Bozo the clown and along with Don the Con your country wouldn’t have been hit as hard,and ignorant people not listening to wise advice from prominent health doctors worldwide.
You can stick all your Conspiracy Theories up your clacker.
I'm willing to place bets on your country being larger and less dense than the UK. In most housing estates in the UK we're packed like sardines for miles on end.
Let's look at he figures:
Australia has a very low population density of just 3 people per square kilometer, or 7 per square mile
And for the UK:
As of 2019, the population density for the United Kingdom was 275 people per square kilometer.
Please don't storm posts with anger. There's other forums for that, and this isn't one of them. Fed up of my posts being locked because people go off into full rage mode. Honestly, best thing to do when you feel like that (to anybody reading) is close down your Internet and relax.
Pamplemousse
04-07-20, 16:39
Honestly, best thing to do when you feel like that (to anybody reading) is close down your Internet and relax.
Hear hear.
They worked from an epidemiological standpoint, as every nation that introduced lockdown measures reduced transmission rates in their respective populations. At a peak the UK was diagnosing around 8000 new cases per day and there were around 900 deaths per day.
Now, with almost 4 months under lockdown measures, there are under 1000 new cases per day and around 100 new deaths. I don’t know how anyone can look at those numbers and come to the conclusion that lockdowns didn’t work.
This virus only goes in waves when we make it go in waves. It’s like a forest fire, so long as it has wood to burn it’ll keep burning. Remove the wood from its path and it has nowhere to go. That’s clearly how this virus operates, it’s clearly not seasonal and it’s clearly not adversely affected by weather. It just goes where it needs to go, if we provide fuel it’ll keep burning.
Surely our original full-on lockdown did actually work (despite being administered about a fortnight too late) given our daily confirmed cases over the past week or so have thankfully remained below 1k, and Thursday was the first time our daily confirmed deaths were in double figures on a weekday, otherwise both our cases and deaths would probably be sky high by now had we not gone into lockdown on 23rd March.
Obviously the next couple of weeks will be the real test as to how things pan out here in the UK re COVID-19, only time will tell.
Social distancing, face masks, hand washing, disinfecting, wiping aren't lockdown. I think we should have done that without locking everything down where literally hundreds of millions lost their livelihoods. Mostly younger people. And the self employed have been devastated.
Of course there’s been adverse affects, it’s not like anyone wanted a lockdown, it’s a political nightmare.
The things you rhymed off have limited effect, it’s also very difficult to ensure people do all of the above. You yourself admit you don’t wear a mask even now, so what chance did they have of implementing that months ago when there were only a handful of cases?
While I think that some more businesses could have stayed open, as long as they followed masks and social distancing, I'm not sure we had any choice but to shut down schools, cruise ships, amusement parks, concerts, etc. There are venues that just aren't set up not to spread germs like wildfire.
Happy Independence Day! But I suppose it's come at a difficult time..What advice have US citizens had re celebrations?
Happy Independence Day! But I suppose it's come at a difficult time..What advice have US citizens had re celebrations?
Thank you! It really depends on which state you live in. If you live in South Dakota, you apparently can do whatever the hell you want. Florida has closed some beaches and bars and is limiting gatherings to 10 people or less. Texas has some counties on lockdown. Here in CA, most of our beaches are closed and we've reclosed bars and dining inside. Lots of restaurants have outdoor dining and take-out. They're telling us to limit gatherings to immediate family that live together, but I doubt that's going to happen. Even right now my neighbor has several extended family over in the backyard. I'm going to be seeing my parents, but I don't live with them. Everybody is just trying to stay outside and now in the house.
I hope you have a lovely day with your parents, Vee..It must be so difficult to know just what's going on but all you can do is try to keep as safe as possible but still have as decent a quality of life as you can..
Thanks, P :hugs:
Yes, I feel blessed to live in the state I'm in. I feel like here in CA our government and most of the people are taking Covid seriously.
Of course there’s been adverse affects, it’s not like anyone wanted a lockdown, it’s a political nightmare.
The things you rhymed off have limited effect, it’s also very difficult to ensure people do all of the above. You yourself admit you don’t wear a mask even now, so what chance did they have of implementing that months ago when there were only a handful of cases?
It's underselling it to use the term adverse effects. It's utter devastation to millions of people's finance's and livelihoods. The fact is you can't know whether or not the lockdowns worked. If the lockdowns worked why were nursing homes hit so hard? And even long after the lockdowns began the nursing homes continued to get hit. Believe me I experienced it personally. Those people in the nursing homes aren't out and about...ever. The nursing homes were in lockdown early on. The financial ruin to millions was not worth the experiment. I actually was practicing all the precautions but then from looking around and personal experience and the political nightmare you spoke of I felt it was unnecessary any longer.
Over here it's said that the rapid turnover of agency staff going into care homes just spread the virus like wildfire.No routine testing of asymptomatic care workers, coming and going into different facilities..I suppose it's a recipe for unchecked spreading of the virus amongst the vulnerable, aged population in residential homes.
WiredIncorrectly
04-07-20, 21:11
Hear hear.
It works for me. When I feel like raging I just close my browser down and forget about it. :winks:
WiredIncorrectly
04-07-20, 21:13
Thanks, P :hugs:
Yes, I feel blessed to live in the state I'm in. I feel like here in CA our government and most of the people are taking Covid seriously.
Did it feel odd having Arnold Schwarzenegger as Governor. Always wondered what people felt like in CA when he first became Governor. I honestly couldn't take him seriously without thinking of Terminator :roflmao: I read his body building book, I just couldn't think of him in a position of authority.
Hope you've had/having a fab day.
Don't forget we had Jesse Ventura as the governor of Minnesota too!
Sorry I meant to put this post on this thread.
Let me give one example of the utter devastation that the lockout can cause. I've been volunteering in the field of addiction for many years. I do not get paid and I am not professional. I'm just a guy with a lot of experience. I ran into a friend of mine last week he is the owner of two sober living facilities...mostly opiate users. As a matter of fact he's the brother of a pretty famous actor here in the states. Anyway, I asked him how he was doing and he said 75% of the guests have relapsed because of the lockdown with two overdose deaths. The number one requirement of these sober houses is the guests have to be working full-time. He said just about every one of them lost their jobs while simultaneously getting a $1,000 a week check just to sit around. That is a recipe for disaster. When addicts have extended time in recovery and pick up again that is the most vulnerable time for them overdosing. As I said that is just one example of the disastrous ramifications that the lockdown can have. Not to mention that actively using addicts don't adhere to many covid safety precautions.
N.
Did it feel odd having Arnold Schwarzenegger as Governor. Always wondered what people felt like in CA when he first became Governor. I honestly couldn't take him seriously without thinking of Terminator :roflmao: I read his body building book, I just couldn't think of him in a position of authority.
Hope you've had/having a fab day.
yeah, I didn’t vote for him. He didn’t have the best approval rating leaving office.
Sorry I meant to put this post on this thread.
Let me give one example of the utter devastation that the lockout can cause. I've been volunteering in the field of addiction for many years. I do not get paid and I am not professional. I'm just a guy with a lot of experience. I ran into a friend of mine last week he is the owner of two sober living facilities...mostly opiate users. As a matter of fact he's the brother of a pretty famous actor here in the states. Anyway, I asked him how he was doing and he said 75% of the guests have relapsed because of the lockdown with two overdose deaths. The number one requirement of these sober houses is the guests have to be working full-time. He said just about every one of them lost their jobs while simultaneously getting a $1,000 a week check just to sit around. That is a recipe for disaster. When addicts have extended time in recovery and pick up again that is the most vulnerable time for them overdosing. As I said that is just one example of the disastrous ramifications that the lockdown can have. Not to mention that actively using addicts don't adhere to many covid safety precautions.
N.
It’s quite humbling to read your post here, N, I can see this means a lot to you so I really hope you can see I’m not in any way trying to downplay things like this. There’s heartache everywhere right now. The example you’ve given is evidently just one of many and I’m in no way trying to trivialise the horrible effects of this virus.
I can only give you my sincere and heartfelt opinion. I absolutely could be wrong. For me, the heartache and trauma experienced thus far in this pandemic is a mere drop in the ocean compared to what could’ve happened had this virus been left to just do its thing.
I’m not disputing the trauma and suffering, I’m fully aware of the pain that people, on almost every corner of the globe, are feeling right now. I’m just simply of the opinion that if lockdown measures hadn’t been taken, we at this point could be multiplying that trauma by the tens.
Every piece of data available points to this virus growing exponentially without intervention. There is no evidence of it disappearing, there is no evidence of weather in any way affecting it, there is no evidence that anything other than locking down a population can suppress it.
When I say lockdown worked, I mean it worked as far as reducing viral transmission. Had we not locked down, transmission rates would have went beyond comprehension. Masks and so called “social distancing” are not useful when trying to introduce western cultures to the idea of a pandemic.
You admit yourself, even today, with over 1 million diagnosed cases in your country, you openly admit to not wearing a face covering. How can you honestly expect the vast majority of the nation to do something you don’t even do yourself?
For me it’s a case of weighing up what has happened against what could have happened. Everything about this virus suggests that what has happened is nothing compared to what it can do if we allow it to.
MyNameIsTerry
05-07-20, 04:41
yeah, I didn’t vote for him. He didn’t have the best approval rating leaving office.
https://pics.me.me/thumb_stop-whining-memegenerator-net-stop-whining-do-it-now-arnold-52938697.png
:roflmao:
MyNameIsTerry
05-07-20, 04:50
Look at all the crowds of idiots:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/12029441/pubs-open-uk-super-saturday-coronavirus-lockdown/
That is why we had a lockdown. We can't be trusted. If we were all responsible people who would do what was needed to reduce the spread perhaps the government could trust us. But then we wouldn't need so many police and prisons anyway if society was like that.
Government have to protect us from them. They are limited in how they achieve that. Whilst I suspect it will be a mixed bag of poor decisions that in the future will help shape better strategy there is no getting around socially irresponsible people who put a beer ahead of a stranger's life.
Expect local lockdowns when you get scenes like this.
WiredIncorrectly
05-07-20, 05:44
Look at all the crowds of idiots:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/12029441/pubs-open-uk-super-saturday-coronavirus-lockdown/
That is why we had a lockdown. We can't be trusted. If we were all responsible people who would do what was needed to reduce the spread perhaps the government could trust us. But then we wouldn't need so many police and prisons anyway if society was like that.
Government have to protect us from them. They are limited in how they achieve that. Whilst I suspect it will be a mixed bag of poor decisions that in the future will help shape better strategy there is no getting around socially irresponsible people who put a beer ahead of a stranger's life.
Expect local lockdowns when you get scenes like this.
Those images are disgusting. Wow.
Yeah, Terry, we had some of that same stuff going on in our bars and pubs a few weeks ago. It's one reason they were closed here in CA for the holiday weekend.
It’s quite humbling to read your post here, N, I can see this means a lot to you so I really hope you can see I’m not in any way trying to downplay things like this. There’s heartache everywhere right now. The example you’ve given is evidently just one of many and I’m in no way trying to trivialise the horrible effects of this virus.
I can only give you my sincere and heartfelt opinion. I absolutely could be wrong. For me, the heartache and trauma experienced thus far in this pandemic is a mere drop in the ocean compared to what could’ve happened had this virus been left to just do its thing.
I’m not disputing the trauma and suffering, I’m fully aware of the pain that people, on almost every corner of the globe, are feeling right now. I’m just simply of the opinion that if lockdown measures hadn’t been taken, we at this point could be multiplying that trauma by the tens.
Every piece of data available points to this virus growing exponentially without intervention. There is no evidence of it disappearing, there is no evidence of weather in any way affecting it, there is no evidence that anything other than locking down a population can suppress it.
When I say lockdown worked, I mean it worked as far as reducing viral transmission. Had we not locked down, transmission rates would have went beyond comprehension. Masks and so called “social distancing” are not useful when trying to introduce western cultures to the idea of a pandemic.
You admit yourself, even today, with over 1 million diagnosed cases in your country, you openly admit to not wearing a face covering. How can you honestly expect the vast majority of the nation to do something you don’t even do yourself?
For me it’s a case of weighing up what has happened against what could have happened. Everything about this virus suggests that what has happened is nothing compared to what it can do if we allow it to.
Hello Gary!
Yes, we agreed to disagree. And that's ok friend. Gary and N aren't going to change the world here anyway.
There's a guy in my neighborhood from Greece who opened a pizza shop and then a diner. Threw every cent he had into it - pre covid - a little over a year ago. I felt bad for the guy because he worked like an elephant but it was obvious the pizza shop was failing - he hadn't opened the diner yet. I used to buy pizzas there all the time to support the place - which wasn't helping my waistline btw. So eventually he had to fold up shop. He then opened the diner at a better location and it took off. I was so happy for the guy. Then covid hit and the government wiped him out with their lockdown. This immigrant with a young family was financially destroyed because of the lockdown. He won't recover his business. It's gone. I give these couple of examples to show that this is just my little spot. I mean I'm not a piss hole in the snow in this world and examples abound right in front of me as to the total destruction this lockdown has caused. Can you imagine the magnitude of destruction shutting down the entire planet has caused to millions of people?
You mentioned that there have been over a million confirmed cases. Hey, I've been saying for two months there have probably been fifty to a hundred million people who've had covid in the US already. Even Fauci said the other day 25 million. I think it's much higher because how did the virus devastate the nursing homes? Because those people are not mobile. Even you must admit that if over a million people tested positive then the number of people who've had it must be exponentially higher. So if that many people had it what good did the lockdown do? I would argue that the so called, unprovable, cure has done more harm than the disease itself.
BTW last week a new darling of the left, Representative Ocassio Cortez, Democrat from NY tweeted out that the government needs to keep businesses shut down till after the presidential election in November. It was promptly removed. But 20,000 tweeters saw it. Telling huh?
N.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjnOOKg7TXA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjnOOKg7TXA)
Hey Gary - Here's one I think we can agree on.
N.
Kanye just tweeted that he's running for president! ~lol~
Positive thoughts
WiredIncorrectly
05-07-20, 12:47
Kanye just tweeted that he's running for president! ~lol~
Positive thoughts
Please, no. Although I'm not American I do follow a bit of US politics and seeing the Kardashians in office is not something anybody ever wants to see :roflmao:
WiredIncorrectly
05-07-20, 12:47
On the topic of second lockdown my area is officially due to be locked down. It's one of the worst affected areas in the UK. And in Australia the situation isn't quite as rosey: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/05/explosive-potential-victoria-sends-500-police-to-contain-coronavirus-in-public-housing-high-rises
Kanye just tweeted that he's running for president! ~lol~
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Kanye believe it? The Kardashians must be running out of material for their TV show..
Pamplemousse
05-07-20, 14:50
I suspect that as ever, it's a publicity stunt.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53297864
The situation in Australia is extremely dangerous and we need to keep an eye on it because its likely to be the template for the rest of the world. They're calling it a "hard" lockdown. These housing towers are being surrounded by the police and noone is allowed to enter or leave. If you do then you're arrested and fined in the thousands. "Medical professionals" are forcing everyone to be tested. The government is now controlling every aspect of their lives. The police state tactics being used here are worse than anything we have seen in China or North Korea.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U1HK3X1RgMA/XwGB7HNHyxI/AAAAAAAAxmo/6dUgPiel-TU9qjPbcPYDjITr-n9hNxynACLcBGAsYHQ/s280/corona%2Blying.jpg
The situation in Australia is extremely dangerous and we need to keep an eye on it because its likely to be the template for the rest of the world. They're calling it a "hard" lockdown. These housing towers are being surrounded by the police and noone is allowed to enter or leave. If you do then you're arrested and fined in the thousands. "Medical professionals" are forcing everyone to be tested. The government is now controlling every aspect of their lives. The police state tactics being used here are worse than anything we have seen in China or North Korea.
It’s a breakout in tower blocks so they’re ensuring people are tested and find out if they need to isolate or not. We’ve actually seen exactly the same type of thing in local breakouts in Beijing but I suppose it’s convenient for you to forget that.
Run of the mill nonsense, as ever.
The OBAMA administration secretly installed cameras in all public places. What's seen by those cameras you see in the stores isn't just staying in the store! They're tracing people with facial recognition software! Wear a mask that covers your mouth and nose so you can't be identified! Tell every true patriot you know!
Positive thoughts :yesyes:
If you do then you're arrested and fined in the thousands. "
Pffft. Then the copskis are breaking social distancing rules and should be fined themselves!
Shameless spreaders :lac:
Kanye announced himself as running for president while wearing a MAGA hat... My guess is he will drop his campaign right before November and tell everyone to vote for Tweety. :wacko:
Today our air quality is "hazardous" due to all the smoke left over in the air from fireworks last night.
Look at all the crowds of idiots:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/12029441/pubs-open-uk-super-saturday-coronavirus-lockdown/
That is why we had a lockdown. We can't be trusted. If we were all responsible people who would do what was needed to reduce the spread perhaps the government could trust us. But then we wouldn't need so many police and prisons anyway if society was like that.
Government have to protect us from them. They are limited in how they achieve that. Whilst I suspect it will be a mixed bag of poor decisions that in the future will help shape better strategy there is no getting around socially irresponsible people who put a beer ahead of a stranger's life.
Expect local lockdowns when you get scenes like this.
Not in any way trivialising the antics of those drunkards, but remember it's The Scum, who are typically notorious for hyping up the worst-case scenarios, and no doubt those morons who were (ir)responsible yesterday were part of the same camps that gathered en masse on beaches in places like Bournemouth the other week, and probably also attended some of those illegal raves. The BBC did also mention the same thing but also emphasised that the vast majority of yesterday's pub-goers actually behaved responsibly and complied with the rules.
Also, emergency services in most areas actually admitted that things were nowhere near as chaotic as they originally anticipated.
MyNameIsTerry
06-07-20, 05:19
Not in any way trivialising the antics of those drunkards, but remember it's The Scum, who are typically notorious for hyping up the worst-case scenarios, and no doubt those morons who were (ir)responsible yesterday were part of the same camps that gathered en masse on beaches in places like Bournemouth the other week, and probably also attended some of those illegal raves. The BBC did also mention the same thing but also emphasised that the vast majority of yesterday's pub-goers actually behaved responsibly and complied with the rules.
Also, emergency services in most areas actually admitted that things were nowhere near as chaotic as they originally anticipated.
Yes that's true, but the pictures show us what has happened in some places (unless they have been conveniently angled for effect). I'm not fussed which media outlet provide them since I can choose to skip over or disagree with their reasons for it. Outlets like this will make it sound like the end of world but we know it's all the usual BS. Otherwise I would be struggling to find any of them worth a read :roflmao:
These areas should have different strategies applied. It's simply bad thinking to judge a country pub with 5 punters and a dog against the town centre strips.
WiredIncorrectly
06-07-20, 11:20
Aus. has sealed off Victoria.
Pamplemousse
06-07-20, 11:36
Aus. has sealed off Victoria.
Not quite: it's just closed the border between VA and NSW. It seems the border between VA and SA remains open.
Yes that's true, but the pictures show us what has happened in some places (unless they have been conveniently angled for effect). I'm not fussed which media outlet provide them since I can choose to skip over or disagree with their reasons for it. Outlets like this will make it sound like the end of world but we know it's all the usual BS. Otherwise I would be struggling to find any of them worth a read :roflmao:
These areas should have different strategies applied. It's simply bad thinking to judge a country pub with 5 punters and a dog against the town centre strips.
Exactly Terry, it's not practicable to directly compare the goings on at country pubs with those in large town/city centres.
You're also correct in the sense that many media outlets have a tendency to select photos that look the most dramatic (and can sometimes even 'doctor' them for effect, in order to make the situation look even worse or better than it actually is), in the long-standing belief that 'sensationalism sells', and the masses then buy into it, and in many cases, get misled.
As to how things pan out over the coming weeks is, like I've said before, something only time will tell.
WiredIncorrectly
06-07-20, 13:37
Not quite: it's just closed the border between VA and NSW. It seems the border between VA and SA remains open.
This is true, but the concern of another outbreak is on a knife edge everywhere I think. Waiting on the decision whether my local area is to be locked down.
WiredIncorrectly
07-07-20, 11:54
Melbourne now in lockdown. Some pubs in the UK have closed after positive tests. Hospitals still not allowing visitors (friend's wife has brain tumor and is in hospital he can't visit).
There's some people that proclaimed their country dealt with it better than others. Let me reiterate ... without a cure this virus is going nowhere.
Melbourne now in lockdown. Some pubs in the UK have closed after positive tests. Hospitals still not allowing visitors (friend's wife has brain tumor and is in hospital he can't visit).
There's some people that proclaimed their country dealt with it better than others. Let me reiterate ... without a cure this virus is going nowhere.
This is why I think there has to stop being references to first and second waves, peaks etc. This virus is just doing its thing, infection rates in areas that locked down dropped, when the lockdowns are eased they begin to rise again. That’s not a virus working in waves, it’s just burning whichever fuel we provide for it.
I still don’t think there will be a second nationwide lockdown. We’ll likely see localised outbreaks and lockdowns until there are better treatments and ultimately, a vaccine.
This is why I think there has to stop being references to first and second waves, peaks etc. This virus is just doing its thing, infection rates in areas that locked down dropped, when the lockdowns are eased they begin to rise again. That’s not a virus working in waves, it’s just burning whichever fuel we provide for it.
I still don’t think there will be a second nationwide lockdown. We’ll likely see localised outbreaks and lockdowns until there are better treatments and ultimately, a vaccine.
I personally think that a second national lockdown here in the UK should only be pursued as an absolute last resort and like you said each 'localised' outbreak should be judged at its own merit, and the affected areas (like Leicester) locked down if necessary.
Also the difference between now and back in March is that there is quite a bit more known about CV now than there was back then, which obviously was one of the factors that warranted our first national lockdown at the time.
Of course we shouldn't be complacent and let our guard down as we still aren't out of the woods as yet, but some people already seem to be speculating that the so-called 'second wave' has already kicked off, due to an outbreak at a hospital on the outskirts of West London, and CV-related incidents concerning three pubs, in which the latter are ATM just three isolated cases out of several thousand (or million) pubs that have reopened across England since last Saturday, so still too soon to jump to quick conclusions that it's all suddenly kicking off again. There was a similar (localised) outbreak at the hospital in Weston-super-Mare a few weeks back, which was dealt with relatively quickly, and I'm sure I read somewhere on the BBC website yesterday that the current CV epidemic in Leicester may now be starting to show signs of easing since going into their localised lockdown 9 days ago, though I don't know for dead cert.
We have a statewide mask order. US at 3 million cases today :/ We also ran out of tests in LA county. Oh, and Trump wants to reopen schools. Go figure.
The situation in Australia is extremely dangerous and we need to keep an eye on it because its likely to be the template for the rest of the world. They're calling it a "hard" lockdown. These housing towers are being surrounded by the police and noone is allowed to enter or leave. If you do then you're arrested and fined in the thousands. "Medical professionals" are forcing everyone to be tested. The government is now controlling every aspect of their lives. The police state tactics being used here are worse than anything we have seen in China or North Korea.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U1HK3X1RgMA/XwGB7HNHyxI/AAAAAAAAxmo/6dUgPiel-TU9qjPbcPYDjITr-n9hNxynACLcBGAsYHQ/s280/corona%2Blying.jpg
China and North Korea? Crikey :mad:where do you come up with this shite.
As of yesterday there was 35 out of 9 towers with Covid and if they test negative they are allowed to leave their units after 5 days.
The so called ‘Medical professionals” are not forcing people to get tested geez you are talking out of your ass.
Pamplemousse
09-07-20, 14:29
We have a statewide mask order. US at 3 million cases today :/ We also ran out of tests in LA county. Oh, and Trump wants to reopen schools. Go figure.
He's desperate to get re-elected so he's immune from prosecution for various things?
Kanye just tweeted that he's running for president! ~lol~
Positive thoughts
I know this was a few days ago but this is just beyond the pale IMO.
Does this guy actually have any formal qualifications in order to be a politician at all, or is it just a political publicity stunt he is conducting with some kind of hidden agenda, perhaps to promote his latest album using the most edgy and oddball tactics?
China and North Korea? Crikey :mad:where do you come up with this shite.
As of yesterday there was 35 out of 9 towers with Covid and if they test negative they are allowed to leave their units after 5 days.
The so called ‘Medical professionals” are not forcing people to get tested geez you are talking out of your ass.
I completely agree with you as contrary to Hollow's perceptions, this is far from being full-on 'state control'.
While it's perfectly OK to feel concerned and sympathetic, Hollow should also try to chill out a bit as he is in the UK and not responsible for dealing with what's currently going on in parts of Australia.
And why should it be a template for the rest of the world, where each country's circumstances are likely to differ greatly.
He's desperate to get re-elected so he's immune from prosecution for various things?
Unfortunately, in our country, our Senate in Congress (like your House of Lords in Parliament) serves as the jury for impeachment trials, and as we've seen already, they vote on party lines. So it would pretty much be impossible for him to get convicted of something unless it was so blatant that the Republicans in the Senate would be afraid that they wouldn't get re-elected by their constituents in November if they didn't vote for it.
Otherwise, he'll just pin anything that goes wrong on one of the people that work for him.
I completely agree with you as contrary to Hollow's perceptions, this is far from being full-on 'state control'.
While it's perfectly OK to feel concerned and sympathetic, Hollow should also try to chill out a bit as he is in the UK and not responsible for dealing with what's currently going on in parts of Australia.
And why should it be a template for the rest of the world, where each country's circumstances are likely to differ greatly.
The residents themselves are describing it as being "ambushed" and in a prison. Maybe if you were in their situation then you might think differently. I feel quite lucky to be in the UK right now as this Australian government is making Tories seem like Saints in comparison. As for it being a template, lockdowns were enforced around the world despite each country being "sovereign" with circumstances that differ greatly.
Coronavirus updates: Melbourne tower block lockdown 'like being in prison'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By7uKvFQwnk&app=desktop]
Pamplemousse
09-07-20, 19:43
Unfortunately, in our country, our Senate in Congress (like your House of Lords in Parliament) serves as the jury for impeachment trials, and as we've seen already, they vote on party lines. So it would pretty much be impossible for him to get convicted of something unless it was so blatant that the Republicans in the Senate would be afraid that they wouldn't get re-elected by their constituents in November if they didn't vote for it.
Otherwise, he'll just pin anything that goes wrong on one of the people that work for him.
So, should he lose in November would it be open season on him? I see he's lost the case to withhold his tax returns.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53353953
Also... why does it take so long to change president in the US? Election November, inauguration what? January/February? Here in the UK the Prime Minister is out on their arse the very next morning when they lose!
So, should he lose in November would it be open season on him? I see he's lost the case to withhold his tax returns.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53353953
Also... why does it take so long to change president in the US? Election November, inauguration what? January/February? Here in the UK the Prime Minister is out on their arse the very next morning when they lose!
Yes, I imagine if he loses it will be open season.
The transitional period is written into the Constitution from the 20th amendment that changed it to January 20th (before that it was even longer, in March I think), but even before that it was a precedent established from the very first with Washington's transition to Adams. It was designed to try to create a smooth transition of power and administrations so that there are no abrupt disruptions. Some presidents have taken advantage of it; others haven't. There's another law that governs what classified information can be shared during this time, but I can't remember what it's called off the top of my head.
He lost the case to withhold the tax returns, but their ruling still bought him some time.
The residents themselves are describing it as being "ambushed" and in a prison. Maybe if you were in their situation then you might think differently. I feel quite lucky to be in the UK right now as this Australian government is making Tories seem like Saints in comparison. As for it being a template, lockdowns were enforced around the world despite each country being "sovereign" with circumstances that differ greatly.
That’s because governments worldwide listened to scientific advice.
I wish you would stop implying you feel for these people, you don’t, it’s just another way of pushing your silly agenda and disguising it as concern.
Well at least you can now appreciate life in the UK, Hollow. It's a bowl of cherries compared to the draconian measures being meted out Down Under as you suggest. Imagine all that Antipodean anguish when you're doing your research.
Pamplemousse
09-07-20, 21:37
That’s because governments worldwide listened to scientific advice.
I wish you would stop implying you feel for these people, you don’t, it’s just another way of pushing your silly agenda and disguising it as concern.
Hear hear.
MyNameIsTerry
10-07-20, 04:54
Well at least you can now appreciate life in the UK, Hollow. It's a bowl of cherries compared to the draconian measures being meted out Down Under as you suggest. Imagine all that Antipodean anguish when you're doing your research.
He's going to be terrified if he hears about all the council estates around the UK over decades where coppers pulled you up for anything because they could. I remember one around here where groups were banned, two people together only.
He will be horrified by the sight of coppers everywhere in town centres at Christmas. Imagine post match police presence :ohmy:
Still, I wonder how Syria is handling it all? He's a big fan of their president.
Any word on that doctor who was sectioned for deciding the virus was fake, Hollow? And will you he raising the mysterious deaths in Russia? I was surprised not to see a report from you about them.
He's going to be terrified if he hears about all the council estates around the UK over decades where coppers pulled you up for anything because they could. I remember one around here where groups were banned, two people together only.
He will be horrified by the sight of coppers everywhere in town centres at Christmas. Imagine post match police presence :ohmy:
Still, I wonder how Syria is handling it all? He's a big fan of their president.
Any word on that doctor who was sectioned for deciding the virus was fake, Hollow? And will you he raising the mysterious deaths in Russia? I was surprised not to see a report from you about them.
I've also heard some horror stories about overzealous social workers stalking council estates back in the 70s and 80s actively seeking out cases of child abuse and the like, and sometimes even snatching kids from their families in those areas on occasions when and where it was unwarranted (such as parents simply being out of work and on the dole without even abusing/neglecting their kids), and those kids often put into children's homes that ironically, were sometimes even more inhumane than their original family homes, at the mercy of other 'problem' kids and even worse, crazy staff members who often had sadistic (and sometimes even paedophilic) tendencies, in which my county of Staffordshire was at the centre of a notorious scandal back in the late 80s and early 90s concerning the 'Pindown' regime in children's homes run by the County Council.
The residents themselves are describing it as being "ambushed" and in a prison. Maybe if you were in their situation then you might think differently. I feel quite lucky to be in the UK right now as this Australian government is making Tories seem like Saints in comparison. As for it being a template, lockdowns were enforced around the world despite each country being "sovereign" with circumstances that differ greatly.
Coronavirus updates: Melbourne tower block lockdown 'like being in prison'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By7uKvFQwnk&app=desktop]
You really crack me up:roflmao:with your research.I am lucky I live here and not in the UK been there.
There has been quite a few people who now have left the towers after their 5 day lockdown.
Some of you might not like this but those people in the towers might not have had toilet paper or prime meat to eat for 5days but they had a roof over their heads and a bed to sleep on
What about the the over 60 million and counting displaced people that have nothing to eat or clean drinking water and a flimsy tent or cardboard box for shelter and dying of Covid.
And I am sick of the shite you put on here about Bill Gates,stick your bullshite theories up ya ass
maybe go to Africa and see the work him and his wife are doing before you put the shite about him on here.
The residents themselves are describing it as being "ambushed" and in a prison. Maybe if you were in their situation then you might think differently. I feel quite lucky to be in the UK right now as this Australian government is making Tories seem like Saints in comparison. As for it being a template, lockdowns were enforced around the world despite each country being "sovereign" with circumstances that differ greatly.
Coronavirus updates: Melbourne tower block lockdown 'like being in prison'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By7uKvFQwnk&app=desktop]
Hollow,
You and I and everyone else knows it’s not all the residents who are complaining. But just like on this forum there are always going to be some people who see things differently.
You’re embarrassing yourself now.
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I can’t be the only one who’s noticed the irony of a lot of these conspiracy theories. The claims of exaggeration and scaremongering by scientists and doctors worldwide are usually followed by claims of population control, house arrest and mass murder.
Watch your “old man in a chair” when he’s blabbering his noise. There’s always a downplaying of the actual problem, Covid-19, and then huge scare stories about the dangers of vaccination, how scientists and doctors are lying and how there’s an agenda to control population through, essentially, murder.
Here we see it again. A tower block in Australia is locked down and Hollow says this is a “template” for the world. He equates quarantine, a method used in infection control for decades, to imprisonment. The other day we were apparently smack bang in the middle of world war 3 due to some mind control experiment or something.
People really need to look at who’s actually doing the scaremongering here. The world is a strange place right now but all these stupid “theories” do is muddy the waters further. Anti-vaxxers have seized the opportunity to pollute the world further with their paranoid drivel and it’s become very clear that for a lot of people, their personal agenda is far more important than finding and spreading factual information.
I mean, does anyone really think that Hollow truly believes that we are in the midst of world war 3, that Bill Gates is trying to kill a percentage of our population and coronavirus doesn’t exist?
I mean, does anyone really think that Hollow truly believes that we are in the midst of world war 3, that Bill Gates is trying to kill a percentage of our population and coronavirus doesn’t exist?
I've personally had customers spew the same nonsense so yes, I 100% believe there are people totally convinced by conspiracy theories, believe the virus is a hoax meant to control the masses, vaccines will implant tracking devices etc.
Positive thoughts
Pamplemousse
10-07-20, 13:25
Well, hats off to the staff at St. Joseph's Hospital in Toronto for dealing with this bit of exceptionalism.
https://twitter.com/LetitiaMontana/status/1279615522284474368
I can’t be the only one who’s noticed the irony of a lot of these conspiracy theories. The claims of exaggeration and scaremongering by scientists and doctors worldwide are usually followed by claims of population control, house arrest and mass murder.
Watch your “old man in a chair” when he’s blabbering his noise. There’s always a downplaying of the actual problem, Covid-19, and then huge scare stories about the dangers of vaccination, how scientists and doctors are lying and how there’s an agenda to control population through, essentially, murder.
Here we see it again. A tower block in Australia is locked down and Hollow says this is a “template” for the world. He equates quarantine, a method used in infection control for decades, to imprisonment. The other day we were apparently smack bang in the middle of world war 3 due to some mind control experiment or something.
People really need to look at who’s actually doing the scaremongering here. The world is a strange place right now but all these stupid “theories” do is muddy the waters further. Anti-vaxxers have seized the opportunity to pollute the world further with their paranoid drivel and it’s become very clear that for a lot of people, their personal agenda is far more important than finding and spreading factual information.
I mean, does anyone really think that Hollow truly believes that we are in the midst of world war 3, that Bill Gates is trying to kill a percentage of our population and coronavirus doesn’t exist?
And not forgetting that the rapper Kanye West keeps saying that he is standing for POTUS, who is in turn, an avid anti-vaxxer who passionately believes in all this nonsense about COVID-19 vaccines being laced with intelligent microchips to enable the authorities to track and trace every move we make and inadvertently spy on us, which belief is well OTT and beyond the pale IMO. And like I already said upthread, it's probably being used as a 'political publicity stunt' to promote his latest album, especially as the masses seem to love anything that is considered edgy and oddball!!
Let's face it, I'm no fan of Trump, but KW assuming he will enter the White House willy-nilly in order to appeal to 'da yoof' is just totally unreal IMO!!
And I agree that people like Hollow, whilst currently having digs at the authorities in Australia over their current lockdown policies, should appreciate the fact that Britain most certainly isn't a totalitarian police state (whilst Australia certainly isn't either in the grand scheme of things) and especially as Britain almost always seems to get it in the neck over pretty much everything these days, even during the better of times!!
Will Kanye's folllowers' election cry be "Go...West"? Will Caitlin Jenner be jumping on the b(r)andwagon? This could certainly be a huge distraction from Covid news so maybe a deliberate PR stunt?
Is "upthread" a new word for me to learn, Lenco?.
Will Kanye's folllowers' election cry be "Go...West"? Will Caitlin Jenner be jumping on the b(r)andwagon? This could certainly be a huge distraction from Covid news so maybe a deliberate PR stunt?
Is "upthread" a new word for me to learn, Lenco?.
Could well be, Pulisa!!
Hope it's not a bugbear of yours though.
As for Kanye West, I'm convinced it's merely a bizarre way of promoting his new album, especially on the premise that 'controversy sells'!
I bet someone like, say, Robbie Williams probably might attempt to pull a similar stunt hard on the heels of our next GE, especially if he also has a new album about to be released by then!!
MyNameIsTerry
10-07-20, 14:50
Hollow,
You and I and everyone else knows it’s not all the residents who are complaining. But just like on this forum there are always going to be some people who see things differently.
You’re embarrassing yourself now.
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It's interesting how he dislikes Australia's action on the tower blocks considering his last sentence in a post he made ages ago supporting Idi Amin removing all Indians from his country...
Over 500K Indians visit UK in single year
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/over-500k-indians-visit-uk-in-single-year
Since this figure comes from official government sources, the real number is probably triple that.
This means that Indians with fake degrees will replace the EU nationals who no longer want to settle in the UK because of Brexit. Any free trade agreement with India will mean free movement of people, they will make sure of that.
Indians hijacked the Ugandan economy in the 70s, taking over whole industries and only hiring other Indians in top jobs. The same thing is now happening in Britain. In the end, Idi Amin had no choice but to expel them from the country.
Pamplemousse
10-07-20, 15:09
The stupidity of the notion of 'microchips in vaccines' for tracking is breath-taking.
Anybody with a mobile phone - especially a smartphone - is being tracked. It's how Google and Apple tell you how bad the traffic is in your area, for example. Use your debit card on the London Underground? That can track you.
The UK has the highest usage of CCTV in the world. Tracking, right there.
The stupidity of the notion of 'microchips in vaccines' for tracking is breath-taking.
Anybody with a mobile phone - especially a smartphone - is being tracked. It's how Google and Apple tell you how bad the traffic is in your area, for example. Use your debit card on the London Underground? That can track you.
The UK has the highest usage of CCTV in the world. Tracking, right there.
The UK government can’t even create a functioning app that tracks people who want to be tracked willingly.
The stupidity of the notion of 'microchips in vaccines' for tracking is breath-taking.
Anybody with a mobile phone - especially a smartphone - is being tracked. It's how Google and Apple tell you how bad the traffic is in your area, for example. Use your debit card on the London Underground? That can track you.
The UK has the highest usage of CCTV in the world. Tracking, right there.
I agree with you.
It's just the very latest in a long line of vaccine CTs as we've already been there with the Autism one, which proved to be a load of bull in the extreme, and a grave discredit to those who do actually have the condition, and inadvertently stigmatised the condition all the more!!
And I don't for the life of me believe that it's as yet possible to plant microchips inside vaccines that enable the authorities to track us.
Ironically, we don't seem to be overly indignant about the possibility of being tracked via our smartphones, nor concerning the prevalence of CCTV cameras throughout the country.
Yes, smartphones and every other "smart" device is tracking us in one way or the other so does that mean we should get microchipped as well. Don't see the logic behind that.
The UK government tried to develop the app independently of Google and Apple which was never going to work. If you have a Android phone, the Covid -19 exposure API has already been installed under Google settings without any notification.
Anyone with a clear mind can see who's been doing the scaremongering. The constant use of war metaphors to describe hospitals as war zones, NHS workers being on the front line "battling" and "fighting" Covid. Building of makeshift morgues and Nightingale hospitals that were never used. All part of the psyop to generate fear and scare people into compliance. People have died because they were too afraid to go to the hospital and treatments cancelled for countless others. Not too long ago, another imaginary threat led us to the war in Iraq and the death of millions.
Pamplemousse
10-07-20, 19:34
As has the API on Apple devices.
It is also deactivated by default and will only turn on if a track and trace app is installed. Which is not compulsory, even if we had a working one. What about non-smartphone users? Plenty of 'em.
I take it the refrigerated containers rented by funeral directors featured on my local news were just a figment of my imagination then?
"Psyops". You need help.
Anyone with a clear mind can see who's been doing the scaremongering.
We’re an anxiety forum, not many of us have clear minds. I’m including you in that.
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Yes, smartphones and every other "smart" device is tracking us in one way or the other so does that mean we should get microchipped as well. Don't see the logic behind that.
The UK government tried to develop the app independently of Google and Apple which was never going to work. If you have a Android phone, the Covid -19 exposure API has already been installed under Google settings without any notification.
Anyone with a clear mind can see who's been doing the scaremongering. The constant use of war metaphors to describe hospitals as war zones, NHS workers being on the front line "battling" and "fighting" Covid. Building of makeshift morgues and Nightingale hospitals that were never used. All part of the psyop to generate fear and scare people into compliance. People have died because they were too afraid to go to the hospital and treatments cancelled for countless others. Not too long ago, another imaginary threat led us to the war in Iraq and the death of millions.
But you'd still rather live in the UK in a climate of fear and scaremongering rather than in scary old Australia with all those bully boy police terrorising citizens who dared to order takeaways from KFC and got fined for their trouble..?
We’re an anxiety forum, not many of us have clear minds. I’m including you in that.
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No none of us do which makes it all the more important to be careful when "researching" on the internet and to be careful when reading articles and comments made by mavericks who are after their 5 minutes of fame and who exploit vulnerable and suggestible people who spend a lot of time on the internet looking for controversy and "interesting" opinions.
Anyone with a clear mind can see who's been doing the scaremongering. The constant use of war metaphors to describe hospitals as war zones, NHS workers being on the front line "battling" and "fighting" Covid. Building of makeshift morgues and Nightingale hospitals that were never used. All part of the psyop to generate fear and scare people into compliance. People have died because they were too afraid to go to the hospital and treatments cancelled for countless others.
So because hospital staff treating Covid-19 patients is described as a battle or a fight, that’s somehow a war metaphor? What a ridiculous comment. Converting buildings to hospitals in anticipation of over crowded hospitals is a “psyop”, is it? Again, just ridiculous and barely worth responding to.
You literally said we were in the midst of world war 3, and you said it in response to someone who clearly has a mental illness that makes that idea difficult to deal with. Now you want to get all moral and sh*t? Give me a break.
You expect me to believe that you genuinely care about people dying due to mistreatment at the hands of the NHS when you basically laugh at the idea of anyone dying of Covid-19? You’ve mocked frontline workers relentlessly, yet a fair few of them have died during this pandemic haven’t they? Mostly due to a lack of PPE, a scandal in itself, but that doesn’t fit into your little fantasy so you ignore it, don’t you?
You’re on an anxiety forum trying to convince people that there’s a global conspiracy to control our minds, that the “oligarchs” are trying to put global eugenics in place and what’s left of us will be little more than controlled robots.
Seriously, quit the act, you don’t give a shit about who’s dying, you’re just using mock outrage as a way to hang an air freshener on the fact you’re ranting a load of paranoid conspiracy drivel.
Pamplemousse
10-07-20, 22:40
https://media1.tenor.com/images/7b98ac3b5ad87c27de53b3c6b5cdef0d/tenor.gif?itemid=5512903
What are you all clapping for? The vilification and character assassination of another for voicing opinions which challenge your own?
Bravo! :lac:
MyNameIsTerry
11-07-20, 05:15
But you'd still rather live in the UK in a climate of fear and scaremongering rather than in scary old Australia with all those bully boy police terrorising citizens who dared to order takeaways from KFC and got fined for their trouble..?
But hang on, Hollow has been telling me for ages the UK is a police state. Was it last week he posted about coppers running away from an angry bloc party? That's pretty damn piss poor for a police state, one where the police are too afraid to take action :shrug:
MyNameIsTerry
11-07-20, 05:20
Not too long ago, another imaginary threat led us to the war in Iraq and the death of millions.
That's a false equivalence. A war with Iraq wasn't scaring the UK. I don't remember many people being that interested in it outside of Parliament. After weeks of media coverage everyone was bored with it, something comedians and satire shows were writing gags about.
I think you mean more the dirty tricks to force Parliament into voting for something that later turned out to be badly flawed. That's nothing like your points about scaring the masses into certain types of behaviour.
Y2K was far bigger in mass hysteria than Iraq, unless you were from Iraq.
What are you all clapping for? The vilification and character assassination of another for voicing opinions which challenge your own?
Bravo! :lac:
Nothing Hollow says is challenging anything, he’s simply talking rubbish, attempting to scare folk with said rubbish and being called on it.
Just because you so happen to believe in some of the same absolute tripe doesn’t make it any less stupid.
What are you all clapping for? The vilification and character assassination of another for voicing opinions which challenge your own?
Bravo! :lac:
KERRR-ACK!
KK…that’s the sound of your warning shot fired from the hip passing closely overhead….
Nothing Hollow says is challenging anything, he’s simply talking rubbish, attempting to scare folk with said rubbish and being called on it.
Just because you so happen to believe in some of the same absolute tripe doesn’t make it any less stupid.
If it's nonsense and rubbish why do you spend so much time replying to Hollow? You quote and reply to all his posts which is quite frankly troll-like behaviour as he rarely engages with you.
Whether I agree with some, all or none of what Hollow says, that is not the point and you know it. I know how to eat the meat and spit out the bones. You appear to choke before even touching the meat :lac:
And as I've said before, your MO is to debunk anything that doesn't fit your postage stamp mentality.
Pamplemousse
11-07-20, 13:26
When losing an argument, resort to ad-homs.
Stay classy.
If it's nonsense and rubbish why do you spend so much time replying to Hollow? You quote and reply to all his posts which is quite frankly troll-like behaviour as he rarely engages with you.
Whether I agree with some, all or none of what Hollow says, that is not the point and you know it. I know how to eat the meat and spit out the bones. You appear to choke before even touching the meat :lac:
And as I've said before, your MO is to debunk anything that doesn't fit your postage stamp mentality.
Just the usual rant full of baseless accusations and a shaking head emoji.
Apparently calling out borderline lunacy for what it is is a “postage stamp mentality”.
You agree with Hollow, so you get annoyed when he’s called out. There’s countless examples of folk being constantly called out on this forum, hell, a lot of those examples are of you doing the calling out, but you don’t like this one because you enjoy the odd conspiracy fantasy yourself.
Whatever KK.
When losing an argument, resort to ad-homs.
Stay classy.
And you'd know all about that, eh, old Pample head...
When losing an argument, resort to ad-homs.
Stay classy.
I thought the old “vilification and character assassination”, when describing arguments against a guy who’s posted pictures of dead kids and attempts to constantly induce fear in anxious folk, was about the most laughable appeal to victim hood I’ve ever seen.
Is anyone of us actually sure what Hollow believes? I've never seen a post from him where he says, "I think..." or "I believe..." Somehow I get the feeling that he's just being a devil's advocate here. He's going to post controversial stuff not because he believes it per se, but because he wants to encourage us to question convention.
If it's nonsense and rubbish why do you spend so much time replying to Hollow? You quote and reply to all his posts which is quite frankly troll-like behaviour as he rarely engages with you.
Whether I agree with some, all or none of what Hollow says, that is not the point and you know it. I know how to eat the meat and spit out the bones. You appear to choke before even touching the meat :lac:
And as I've said before, your MO is to debunk anything that doesn't fit your postage stamp mentality.
I’m so pleased that people like him and Terry do. It’s not the Hollow show or the Conspiracy Theory thread. I think that if Hollow had his own CT thread that it wouldn’t get nearly as many views or replies as this one does.
I wish I could do it as succinctly as they do, but instead I read and appreciate.
Hollow rarely engages with anyone, he pops in and drops his latest load of tripe and then pops off again. I’m not even sure he knows he’s on anxiety forum.
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I think he posts to get a reaction and he is successful in that respect.
I'm sure he does have anxiety but has a morbid fascination in all things controversial and gets in too deep at times. He's obviously got a very "enquiring" mind though and alternative views are always going to keep the debate going to say the least.
I'd say Hollow has a lot of fear in his life because otherwise he wouldn't persist in these behaviours.
I think he posts to get a reaction and he is successful in that respect.
I'm sure he does have anxiety but has a morbid fascination in all things controversial and gets in too deep at times. He's obviously got a very "enquiring" mind though and alternative views are always going to keep the debate going to say the least.
I'd say Hollow has a lot of fear in his life because otherwise he wouldn't persist in these behaviours.
Very likely. And probably susceptible to being misled by sites that constantly spew out misleading (and possibly even extremist) propaganda. Those (para)sites are often on a mission to exploit vulnerable and sensitive persons, and sadly with a fair bit of blatant misinformation.
That's why I try to only visit reputable, well-trusted sites for info, and give the dubious-looking ones a wide berth!!
Pamplemousse
12-07-20, 11:45
I think he posts to get a reaction and he is successful in that respect.
There's a word for that. But you're not allowed to call anyone out for it on this forum.
[...]Somehow I get the feeling that he's just being a devil's advocate here. He's going to post controversial stuff not because he believes it per se, but because he wants to encourage us to question convention.
Ladies and gentlemen, a big round of applause for Ms Vee - she has given the correct answer.
There's a word for that. But you're not allowed to call anyone out for it on this forum.
I didn't mean the "T" word though..More making his presence felt and needing his opinions validated?
Is anyone of us actually sure what Hollow believes? I've never seen a post from him where he says, "I think..." or "I believe..." Somehow I get the feeling that he's just being a devil's advocate here. He's going to post controversial stuff not because he believes it per se, but because he wants to encourage us to question convention.
Sorry, but I’ve dealt with people like him before and they are NEVER posting with the intent of informing or getting to the actual answer. It’s all about being the only one who knows.
If these folk want to encourage us to question convention, just say so then, no? Show us how to evaluate a claim, how to weigh evidence and likelihood’s up properly. Point out logical fallacies and show us how to recognise them.
There are far better ways of encouraging constant questioning than posting a load of made up drivel that some attention seeker on the internet has come up with. All Hollow truly does is spread misinformation, and right now that’s a dangerous thing to be doing.
It’s admirable that you’re trying to find a good intention in him, I respect that, but essentially he’s only on this anxiety forum with the sole intent of posting things that, for the most part, induce more anxiety. He’s all over Covid-19 threads telling us it’s all fake and the real problem is the “oligarchs” plotting to murder and control us. That’s not trying to inform or encourage questioning, that’s fearmongering in a place that fear is already the number one driver. There is nothing admirable about that.
Having now watched a good many of Mr David Icke's recruitment videos, I can safely say that he is a very persuasive man. There were times while watching his latest 3 hour 19 minute marathon that I felt totally convinced he was right, that he was speaking for me. It felt like an epiphany, that I'd finally 'got it'. Here was this messiah, saving me from the evil cult that wants to grind me into the dirt.
But on the odd occasion the mask slipped and he spoke about us moronic masses with barely concealed contempt. And the irony is not lost on me, that when he warns us of the evil cult, the divisive 1%, that he himself meets all the criteria of a cult leader. The hypnotic repetition and phrases like 'unique expressions of consciousness' seem designed to encourage blind faith in him. Certainly the interviewer Brian Rose looks and sounds bewitched.
That said, should Mr Icke have been banned from the likes of facebook and youtube? Surely that plays into his hands and suggests the work of a controlling elite dictating what we can and cannot do?
That said, should Mr Icke have been banned from the likes of facebook and youtube? Surely that plays into his hands and suggests the work of a controlling elite dictating what we can and cannot do?
No I don’t think there should be censorship of people like him. As you say, it adds to the idea that the so called “powers that be” are scared of his drivel or something.
I believe fully that people like Icke should be given free reign to spout their nonsense as I believe 99.9% of folk will have an IQ above 4 and can see the paranoid idiot for what he is.
Well, that's the thing about the freedom of speech. When you enjoy the privilege of it, you also have to extend it to all the dumbasses of the world.
The issue of cults and cult leaders is an interesting one. Traditionally, cult leaders would need to isolate their followers in someway to maintain their control over them. But with the Internet and social media, constant contact can be maintained with no social isolation. People can be indoctrinated online and over social media without ever having to leave their homes. We see it all the time with these kids who end up traveling to the Mid East to join ISIS. Think about all the people who end up as Scient ologists. They still have access to everything, yet end up giving their life savings away to that "church".
I don't think the answer is to restrict freedom of speech privileges. I think the answer is education (I know, duh, I'm a teacher) but people have to be encouraged to get their news and information from a variety of sources. People need to be encouraged to think about the motivation of the media they are consuming and learn to evaluate. Simple education even on propaganda techniques goes a long way to keep someone from being indoctrinated by a dumbf**k like Icke.
That’s not trying to inform or encourage questioning, that’s fearmongering in a place that fear is already the number one driver. .
True. We don't need any more fearmongering on here.
Well, that's the thing about the freedom of speech. When you enjoy the privilege of it, you also have to extend it to all the dumbasses of the world.
The issue of cults and cult leaders is an interesting one. Traditionally, cult leaders would need to isolate their followers in someway to maintain their control over them. But with the Internet and social media, constant contact can be maintained with no social isolation. People can be indoctrinated online and over social media without ever having to leave their homes. We see it all the time with these kids who end up traveling to the Mid East to join ISIS. Think about all the people who end up as Scient ologists. They still have access to everything, yet end up giving their life savings away to that "church".
I don't think the answer is to restrict freedom of speech privileges. I think the answer is education (I know, duh, I'm a teacher) but people have to be encouraged to get their news and information from a variety of sources. People need to be encouraged to think about the motivation of the media they are consuming and learn to evaluate. Simple education even on propaganda techniques goes a long way to keep someone from being indoctrinated by a dumbf**k like Icke.
You've summed it up nicely, AV.
You've summed it up nicely, AV.
*bows* thank you ;)
So I just read this little blurb in the news.
Public health officials are keeping the British people in the dark about the location of new coronavirus outbreaks to prevent “community tensions” and “hate crimes”.
Members of the public “are not being given a full, accurate, picture of where coronavirus cases are — to protect people who test positive from possible hate attacks,” according to Jane Haynes, Politics & People Editor at BirminghamLive, following an interview with Dr Helen Carter, deputy director for Public Health England (PHE) in England’s West Midlands.
Well, that's the thing about the freedom of speech. When you enjoy the privilege of it, you also have to extend it to all the dumbasses of the world.
Truth! That is brilliant! :yesyes:
Positive thoughts
Pamplemousse
13-07-20, 10:09
So I just read this little blurb in the news.
Public health officials are keeping the British people in the dark about the location of new coronavirus outbreaks to prevent “community tensions” and “hate crimes”.
Members of the public “are not being given a full, accurate, picture of where coronavirus cases are — to protect people who test positive from possible hate attacks,” according to Jane Haynes, Politics & People Editor at BirminghamLive, following an interview with Dr Helen Carter, deputy director for Public Health England (PHE) in England’s West Midlands.
Well, I can tell you that that's not entirely true. "The Guardian" newspaper published a list only a couple of days ago about districts next likely to face local lockdowns whilst our local newspaper published what districts within the city there had been sudden increases.
Unusually, whilst the Government refuses to publish figures for recoveries on a national scale, our local hospital Trust releases that information to the local press.
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