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So I read this earlier today and then heard it mentioned on the radio. Depending on how bad the virus is come this November's Presidential Election the administration is looking into postponing it for 6 months to a year. I have to agree that it would be preferable to voting by mail which is rife for massive voter fraud. And I believe it's within the President's power to do it. Interesting times.
N.
So I read this earlier today and then heard it mentioned on the radio. Depending on how bad the virus is come this November's Presidential Election the administration is looking into postponing it for 6 months to a year. I have to agree that it would be preferable to voting by mail which is rife for massive voter fraud. And I believe it's within the President's power to do it. Interesting times.
N.
Sigh, N. Would that radio program have been Rush Limbaugh by any chance?
There's been NO EVIDENCE that voting by mail will be "rife for massive voter fraud." We've been voting by mail for ages with no issues. It just takes a bit longer to count. In fact Trump and all of his buddies have voted by mail themselves.
You can educate yourself here:
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/864899178/why-is-voting-by-mail-suddenly-controversial-heres-what-you-need-to-know (https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/864899178/why-is-voting-by-mail-suddenly-controversial-heres-what-you-need-to-know)
IMO, the voting by mail story is just a political tactic to keep people from voting who would normally vote against Trump.
Very sad. In a democracy we should be finding more ways to get people to vote; NOT finding more ways to disenfranchise them.
I don't find it interesting; I find it scary. I also find it scary how many intelligent, educated people such as yourself, N, are so trusting of the Trump administration.
MyNameIsTerry
18-07-20, 04:31
It's caused the London mayoral elections to be postponed into 2021.A lot of people will be unhappy with that as Khan seems far from popular.
It's a good job our GE was called early or we would be stuck in limbo with rising bills to EU rescue funds...
It's caused the London mayoral elections to be postponed into 2021.A lot of people will be unhappy with that as Khan seems far from popular.
This is exactly what I'm afraid of Terry. Trump postponing the election as a power-grab...because he's invented emergencies before in order to make executive orders. And now that COVID truly is an emergency in certain areas of our country, he is slow to provide leadership and guidance.
Sigh, N. Would that radio program have been Rush Limbaugh by any chance?
There's been NO EVIDENCE that voting by mail will be "rife for massive voter fraud." We've been voting by mail for ages with no issues. It just takes a bit longer to count. In fact Trump and all of his buddies have voted by mail themselves.
You can educate yourself here:
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/864899178/why-is-voting-by-mail-suddenly-controversial-heres-what-you-need-to-know (https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/864899178/why-is-voting-by-mail-suddenly-controversial-heres-what-you-need-to-know)
IMO, the voting by mail story is just a political tactic to keep people from voting who would normally vote against Trump.
Very sad. In a democracy we should be finding more ways to get people to vote; NOT finding more ways to disenfranchise them.
I don't find it interesting; I find it scary. I also find it scary how many intelligent, educated people such as yourself, N, are so trusting of the Trump administration.
No it wasn't Rush. But so what if it were. It's a legitimate possibility.
And you are OOYFM if you think there's no evidence of vote by mail fraud. I don't have to look any further than the Local I once served. They got into huge trouble with the NLRB because of mail in ballots. I've always said if you want to know where the voter fraud is just look at who doesn't want voter ID and that's who's committing the fraud.
But back to the issue at hand. If covid rules are still in place come November should President Trump postpone the election? I say yes of course. If he wins in 2021 the he serves 3 more years and he's done. If creepy Joe were to win then the 3 years doesn't count as a full term and he could potentially serve for 11 years...of course he'll be 110 but hey.
So we either have no vote by mail (which is easily corrupted) or postpone the election.
N.
And you can educate yourself here.
I'd say this is another DemoCat dirty trick!
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/dead-cat-receives-voter-registration-application-in-the-mail
Pamplemousse
18-07-20, 12:54
Sigh, N. Would that radio program have been Rush Limbaugh by any chance?
There's been NO EVIDENCE that voting by mail will be "rife for massive voter fraud." We've been voting by mail for ages with no issues. It just takes a bit longer to count. In fact Trump and all of his buddies have voted by mail themselves.
Here in the UK it's always the political right that kick off about postal voting being rife with fraud - usually when they don't win.
That's because all the voter fraud/intimidation is on the left...just like the violence and mayhem we're now seeing.
Pamplemousse
18-07-20, 14:13
That's because a the voter fraud/intimidation is on the left...just like the violence and mayhem we're now seeing.
One word: bullshit.
Try harder, Nervous.
LOL...How dare you swear on this site young lady!
... it's the truth though. All the voter fraud is on the Left.
And you don't think all this rioting, looting, mayhem, destroying of public and private property, and violence is being done by the right do you?
LOL...How dare you swear on this site young lady!
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:roflmao:
It is exceptionally unlikely that the administration could make any legal argument for postponing a constitutionally established election.
And, both sides have plenty of disingenuous tactics for winning elections, they just each have their own preferred methods. The right uses voter ID laws and gerrymandering.
Hmm... Which source is less biased? The Washington Examiner or NPR? :huh: I'm gonna go with NPR here. But here's another great article for you:
https://news.uchicago.edu/story/does-voting-mail-increase-risk-voter-fraud
(https://news.uchicago.edu/story/does-voting-mail-increase-risk-voter-fraud)
But the other thing you ignored was the fact that Trump and all of his employees have voted by mail before. If they were that worried, they never would have done it.
Also, the political tampering we KNOW HAS HAPPENED was Russian interference in the 2016 election. No word from the Trump administration about preventing that again. Last I saw, Trump was still praising Putin and talking about Russia's inclusion in the G7. That's not suspicious...:wacko:
Your point of "leftist" mayhem that has nothing to do with this... Most of the "mayhem" is over. But when it occurred, there were "right" groups out there as well: Boogaloo Boys, Proud Boys, the "Militia" and white supremacist groups were out there as well. And let's not forget the more recent protests by anti-maskers and re-open protesters who claim they're on the "right" and are Trump supporters.
N, you gotta start getting your news from a variety of sources and not just listen to those "alt-right" radio talk programs.
And, both sides have plenty of disingenuous tactics for winning elections, they just each have their own preferred methods. The right uses voter ID laws and gerrymandering.
Yup exactly. Neither party is innocent.
Well there will certainly be lots of contentious stuff to argue about should covid get sorted by Autumn/Fall..
I'll be getting the popcorn in...
Pamplemousse
18-07-20, 20:49
Well there will certainly be lots of contentious stuff to argue about should covid get sorted by Autumn/Fall..
I'll be getting the popcorn in...
It's a lovely thought Pulisa, but I can't help that next autumn/fall is more realistic.
It's a lovely thought Pulisa, but I can't help that next autumn/fall is more realistic.
Not according to BoJo..He's not Planning For The Worst even though others are!
I wonder who makes these slogans up? Literally.. I mean that "Get Brexit Done" was meant to be genius but it's pretty basic imo.
I'd go for "It's Anyone's Guess"
MyNameIsTerry
19-07-20, 04:16
It's surprising anyone would even want elections whilst this is going on. It's not a good idea to encourage lots more people than normal to travel and congregate. :shrug:
MyNameIsTerry
19-07-20, 04:18
Not according to BoJo..He's not Planning For The Worst even though others are!
I wonder who makes these slogans up? Literally.. I mean that "Get Brexit Done" was meant to be genius but it's pretty basic imo.
I'd go for "It's Anyone's Guess"
He can't plan for the worst, only 3 word campaign slogans win (the many not the few lost it for Jezza) :biggrin:
They always seem so cheesy too. Remember 'hug a hoodie'?
Pamplemousse
19-07-20, 11:49
Three word slogans are a simple marketing tool; they're catchy and stick in the brain.
Remember "Beanz Meanz Heinz" ??
Bereft of policy, all this government can do is rely on soundbites and sloganeering.
Every Little Helps?
Keep Fingers Crossed?
Save Our Skins?
Pass The Buck?
He can't plan for the worst, only 3 word campaign slogans win (the many not the few lost it for Jezza) :biggrin:
They always seem so cheesy too. Remember 'hug a hoodie'?
Hug a hoodie? (LOL)!!
The most epic contradiction from Mr. Cameron ever IMO who was otherwise
forever harping on about 'Broken Britain' and that our streets were ruled by hideous feral marauding teenage mobs and even contemplated bringing back school caning soon after the city riots of August 2011, and he and his fellow cronies imposing decade-long austerity measures.
Far from hugging hoodies IMO!!
Having said that, I now think that time has been a bit kinder to him and I now also would consider him far more credible in comparison to the coward we currently have as PM, who often fails to show up at crucial meetings and seemingly relies too much on his 'minder' Dom C to do the critical thinking for him!!
The complete opposite to Arfur n Tel!!
Pamplemousse
19-07-20, 17:50
Having said that, I now think that time has been a bit kinder to him and I now also would consider him far more credible in comparison to the coward we currently have as PM, who often fails to show up at crucial meetings and seemingly relies too much on his 'minder' Dom C to do the critical thinking for him!!
I'm afraid I can't ever forgive Cameron for his major act of cowardice in offering that referendum to placate the ERG nutters in his own party and believing people would just accept the status quo. Thankfully my days of doing business in mainland Europe are behind me, because nothing is more disheartening than the dreaded carnet. Nye Bevan applies.
Just another ultra-privileged white man 'playing' politics - and look where we are now. I eagerly await the whining of Express readers suddenly finding their health insurance costs them more than their holiday, or Sun readers moaning that they've just had to shell out £4,000 on data because their kids wanted to watch Peppa Pig on the beach in Spain.
What do you think of peer of the realm Sir Kier, Pamplemousse? He's a tad privileged too, I suspect?
Pamplemousse
19-07-20, 18:37
Just to correct: Starmer's a knight, not a peer (and a mate of mine would be screaming "IT'S KEIR!!" at you :roflmao:)
Look up his background; unlike the previous Labour leader, he wasn't born and lived in a manor house before attending prep school. Born in Southwark, raised in Oxted, grammar school boy, studied law at Leeds.
No silver spoon, no Eton and then PPE at Oxford burning £50 notes under the noses of beggars unlike the male Tories since 2010.
Apologies for the source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keir_Starmer#Early_life_and_education
Corbyn was far more 'privileged' than Starmer.
By contrast: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn#Early_life
MyNameIsTerry
19-07-20, 19:17
Just to correct: Starmer's a knight, not a peer (and a mate of mine would be screaming "IT'S KEIR!!" at you :roflmao:)
Look up his background; unlike the previous Labour leader, he wasn't born and lived in a manor house before attending prep school. Born in Southwark, raised in Oxted, grammar school boy, studied law at Leeds.
No silver spoon, no Eton and then PPE at Oxford burning £50 notes under the noses of beggars unlike the male Tories since 2010.
Apologies for the source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keir_Starmer#Early_life_and_education
Corbyn was far more 'privileged' than Starmer.
By contrast: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn#Early_life
I can think of members of the elite that came out of nothing yet they wouldn't have much of a connection to the working class. I'm not sure Starmer does considering his failure in Brexit policy, something that he tried to let Jezza carry the whole can for when he can be remembered for his leading role.
Speaking of elites, you know what royal actually makes me feel better about myself? Princess Beatrice. Why? That gal is so NOT photogenic. Every photograph taken of her, even ones where she is posing, like at her recent wedding, she looks surprised...like a deer in headlights. I'm not photogenic either; I can't reproduce a natural smile for the camera.
MyNameIsTerry
19-07-20, 19:20
Every Little Helps?
Keep Fingers Crossed?
Save Our Skins?
Pass The Buck?
This one often gets used but maybe not as a political slogan...
https://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/sex/t15150.gif
This one often gets used but maybe not as a political slogan...
https://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/sex/t15150.gif
That one's a crack-er
Pamplemousse
19-07-20, 19:46
I can think of members of the elite that came out of nothing yet they wouldn't have much of a connection to the working class. I'm not sure Starmer does considering his failure in Brexit policy, something that he tried to let Jezza carry the whole can for when he can be remembered for his leading role.
We'll never know now, but it seemed to me that Corbyn and Milne wanted a hard Brexit (remember, Corbyn called for Article 50 to be triggered the day after the referendum result) because true to their ideals, they saw the EU as a capitalist structure and somehow thought they could create an autarky in the UK, returning it to its 1970s state. No room for aspirational Socialism in that ideal.
Instead the Northern Gammon got what they wanted; and probably they'll get a lot they didn't want too on 1/1/21. Already the FT is projecting that strong Leave-supporting areas will get hit badly; I don't know how much more s**t you could make Boston, but it'll be interesting to see...
Anyway, what's this got to do with the Covid business?
Keir Starmer was in charge of shutting down the inquiry into Jimmy Saville. He also refused to prosecute police officers who murdered Charles de Menezes. For this he was awarded a Knighthood. Just another lawyer/politician who is is bought and paid for so he will probably be the next Prime Minister.
Sincerest apologies to Sir Keir-and to you, PM- for my faux pas. Nowt grates as much as a misspelt/misspelled? Christian name.
Born in Surrey? He's in good company. He appears to be decisive and respectable..in Opposition.
Pamplemousse
19-07-20, 20:06
Sincerest apologies to Sir Keir-and to you, PM- for my faux pas. Nowt grates as much as a misspelt/misspelled? Christian name.
Born in Surrey? He's in good company. He appears to be decisive and respectable..in Opposition.
No, born in the London Borough of Southwark. It has a nice cathedral!
Somehow, I doubt Starmer will ever see power; assuming Boris isn't got rid of by the 1922 Committee after 1/1/21 when he'll have served his purpose to 'Get Brexit Done' (and the Tories are ruthless at getting rid of duffers) Boris may well throw the towel in himself. He strikes me as a person who doesn't want to be Prime Minister (especially over this) but an ex-Prime Minister, where he can enjoy all the trappings that brings and even bigger cheques for himself on the after-dinner speaking circuit. I can - just - see the current administration making it over the line in 2024 and I suspect things may change for the Labour Party in that time, but it'll take a lot to undo the toxic legacy of Corbyn. Just as long as they don't turn into bloody New Labour again!
Johnson is, if nothing else, a lazy blighter.
No, born in the London Borough of Southwark. It has a nice cathedral!
Somehow, I doubt Starmer will ever see power; assuming Boris isn't got rid of by the 1922 Committee after 1/1/21 when he'll have served his purpose to 'Get Brexit Done' (and the Tories are ruthless at getting rid of duffers) Boris may well throw the towel in himself. He strikes me as a person who doesn't want to be Prime Minister (especially over this) but an ex-Prime Minister, where he can enjoy all the trappings that brings and even bigger cheques for himself on the after-dinner speaking circuit. I can - just - see the current administration making it over the line in 2024 and I suspect things may change for the Labour Party in that time, but it'll take a lot to undo the toxic legacy of Magic Grandpa. Just as long as they don't turn into bloody New Labour again!
Johnson is, if nothing else, a lazy blighter.
And of course the brigade who constantly say that this (Tory) govt is the worst they have ever known within their lifetime, but are still blatantly adamant that things would be even worse under Labour!!
The mind boggles, it really does!!
No, born in the London Borough of Southwark. It has a nice cathedral!
Somehow, I doubt Starmer will ever see power; assuming Boris isn't got rid of by the 1922 Committee after 1/1/21 when he'll have served his purpose to 'Get Brexit Done' (and the Tories are ruthless at getting rid of duffers) Boris may well throw the towel in himself. He strikes me as a person who doesn't want to be Prime Minister (especially over this) but an ex-Prime Minister, where he can enjoy all the trappings that brings and even bigger cheques for himself on the after-dinner speaking circuit. I can - just - see the current administration making it over the line in 2024 and I suspect things may change for the Labour Party in that time, but it'll take a lot to undo the toxic legacy of Corbyn. Just as long as they don't turn into bloody New Labour again!
Johnson is, if nothing else, a lazy blighter.
A lazy blighter who tried to work through Covid
Pamplemousse
19-07-20, 22:25
A lazy blighter who tried to work through Covid
He didn't really try very hard, did he? I mean, how many press briefings has he given compared to say, Nicola Sturgeon? He only got wheeled out when there was 'good' news - never bad. "Funtime Boris" strikes again.
So I read this earlier today and then heard it mentioned on the radio. Depending on how bad the virus is come this November's Presidential Election the administration is looking into postponing it for 6 months to a year. I have to agree that it would be preferable to voting by mail which is rife for massive voter fraud. And I believe it's within the President's power to do it. Interesting times.
N.
Oh hell, they might as well do it - they're being run by a secret dictator anyway!
Oh hell, they might as well do it - they're being run by a secret dictator anyway!
While your allegiance to me is duly noted, Frank... I don't want the election postponed.
MyNameIsTerry
20-07-20, 04:57
We'll never know now, but it seemed to me that Corbyn and Milne wanted a hard Brexit (remember, Corbyn called for Article 50 to be triggered the day after the referendum result) because true to their ideals, they saw the EU as a capitalist structure and somehow thought they could create an autarky in the UK, returning it to its 1970s state. No room for aspirational Socialism in that ideal.
Instead the Northern Gammon got what they wanted; and probably they'll get a lot they didn't want too on 1/1/21. Already the FT is projecting that strong Leave-supporting areas will get hit badly; I don't know how much more s**t you could make Boston, but it'll be interesting to see...
Anyway, what's this got to do with the Covid business?
I'm not sure it will play out that way. Leave areas already knew they would get hit because...they have been getting hit for decades. I think we expect little else. Certain media outlets have been saying this for some time even before the last GE.
Just to mention, I'm in a strong Leave area. It's not the north either. Many areas up here have been decimated and we know full well it's Westminster that caused it along with the way the world has changed. Both Tory and Labour are to blame. The EU were just another factor in that but the media do love a good bogeyman (and that's the right wing papers blaming the EU and the left wing who can't understand why people voted the way they did. Anti EU media, pro EU media and a whole lot of demonizing by both sides).
Corbyn made the biggest mistake at the beginning thinking he could be a backbencher and run a party. He trapped himself into needing to please everyone and pleasing no one. May learnt the same lesson.
I don't know what it's got to do with Covid, you guys were discussing this so I added to it.
MyNameIsTerry
20-07-20, 05:03
Keir Starmer was in charge of shutting down the inquiry into Jimmy Saville. He also refused to prosecute police officers who murdered Charles de Menezes. For this he was awarded a Knighthood. Just another lawyer/politician who is is bought and paid for so he will probably be the next Prime Minister.
Remind me, Hollow, was he also part of trying to slow down the grooming gangs prosecutions?
I don't believe he will be leader long let alone PM. He's a bit lukewarm. He's certainly the right person to be a politician after his career in law. And this isn't going to endear him with working class people who I suspect will view him the same as many of the rest who breeze into politics to make their money not caring about us.
While your allegiance to me is duly noted, Frank... I don't want the election postponed.
Blair and Co actually did that at the height of the foot-and-mouth crisis in this country back in 2001, albeit only by one month.
Remind me, Hollow, was he also part of trying to slow down the grooming gangs prosecutions?
I don't believe he will be leader long let alone PM. He's a bit lukewarm. He's certainly the right person to be a politician after his career in law. And this isn't going to endear him with working class people who I suspect will view him the same as many of the rest who breeze into politics to make their money not caring about us.
It gets worse, doesn't it?
We had Corbyn before who was allegedly a commie sympathiser, a terrorist sympathiser, and an anti-Semite sympathiser, now we have Starmer who is allegedly a paedo sympathiser and a trigger-happy police sympathiser.
No such thing as Tory MPs who are blatant apologists for anti-Semites, paedos, terrorists, etc, then?
Sounds like the usual scenarios of people lumping Labour into nearly every scandal (real or imagined) one can poke a stick at once again (I don't actually mean you Terry).
MyNameIsTerry
23-07-20, 04:42
It gets worse, doesn't it?
We had Corbyn before who was allegedly a commie sympathiser, a terrorist sympathiser, and an anti-Semite sympathiser, now we have Starmer who is allegedly a paedo sympathiser and a trigger-happy police sympathiser.
No such thing as Tory MPs who are blatant apologists for anti-Semites, paedos, terrorists, etc, then?
Sounds like the usual scenarios of people lumping Labour into nearly every scandal (real or imagined) one can poke a stick at once again (I don't actually mean you Terry).
Perhaps with the Tories we just don't notice it as much because we've become so used to them making arses of themselves? :biggrin:
Right or wrong I do expect Labour to be fairer since I grew up knowing the Tories were for big business and they only look after themselves. Labour are supposed to be for people like me so when they fail you I think they get a harsher bashing because I expect better. It's like when a copper gets nicked for speeding.
It's fair to say the media are more pro than anti Tory as we have more right wing media. But there are plenty of unpleasant MPs in Labour that may deserve what they get.
Perhaps with the Tories we just don't notice it as much because we've become so used to them making arses of themselves? :biggrin:
Right or wrong I do expect Labour to be fairer since I grew up knowing the Tories were for big business and they only look after themselves. Labour are supposed to be for people like me so when they fail you I think they get a harsher bashing because I expect better. It's like when a copper gets nicked for speeding.
It's fair to say the media are more pro than anti Tory as we have more right wing media. But there are plenty of unpleasant MPs in Labour that may deserve what they get.
Swings and roundabouts I guess?
You're probably right in the sense that we've become increasingly blasé about Tory MPs making pillocks of themselves, and you're also correct that there are some dubious Labour MPs, but sadly, the latter always seem to be the ones that have the book thrown at them the most and the entire party inadvertently gets singled out as the 'nasty' party.
Strangely, it seems like economic recessions and events like the Iraq wars are more acceptable under the Tories, but whenever such events occur under Labour, they're blatantly condemned for years over it!!
It gets worse, doesn't it?
We had Corbyn before who was allegedly a commie sympathiser, a terrorist sympathiser, and an anti-Semite sympathiser, now we have Starmer who is allegedly a paedo sympathiser and a trigger-happy police sympathiser.
No such thing as Tory MPs who are blatant apologists for anti-Semites, paedos, terrorists, etc, then?
Sounds like the usual scenarios of people lumping Labour into nearly every scandal (real or imagined) one can poke a stick at once again (I don't actually mean you Terry).
With regards to my second paragraph, it's now the London rapper/grime artist Wiley (who had a big hit back in 2008 with that pathetic song 'Wearing My Rolex') who is being hauled over the coals over anti-Semitic rants on Twitter, comparing Jews to the KKK!
IMO, artists of his ilk have been corrupting 'da yoof' of this world for far too long now!!
With regards to my second paragraph, it's now the London rapper/grime artist Wiley (who had a big hit back in 2008 with that pathetic song 'Wearing My Rolex') who is being hauled over the coals over anti-Semitic rants on Twitter, comparing Jews to the KKK!
IMO, artists of his ilk have been corrupting 'da yoof' of this world for far too long now!!
That guy was a real idiot with that. The KKK hates Jews as much as it hates Black people. If only the members of both groups would see they have more in common, then try to compete for who's treated them worse. It's especially hard for those who are Jewish AND Black, like some of my family.
MyNameIsTerry
26-07-20, 04:43
It can't be long now before artists like Stormzy are seen as the older generation to the latest batch of kidults :roflmao:
I don't think I would be expecting more than your average bloke from them. When Stormzy speaks out he sounds a right tool. Probably like a lot of us did when we were young and thought we knew more than we did.
Maybe he will learn a lesson. But I doubt many are expecting them to be on message with the wokesters in those music circles?
It's been on the news this morning that the govt are proposing a ban on junk food adverts on pre-watershed TV, as one of a number of measures to help tackle the UK's obesity crisis, which in turn, increases vulnerability to COVID-19.
Many officials from the food industry are already getting indignant about the proposals saying it will be the latest in a long line of blows to the economy, but what about those who are frequently on sick leave from work due to obesity-
fuelled ailments, which can be detrimental to the economy in its own right.
No doubt the 'never did me any harm' brigade will also be getting arsy about it and coming out with the usual crap about abuse of human rights, etc!!
It can't be long now before artists like Stormzy are seen as the older generation to the latest batch of kidults :roflmao:
I don't think I would be expecting more than your average bloke from them. When Stormzy speaks out he sounds a right tool. Probably like a lot of us did when we were young and thought we knew more than we did.
Maybe he will learn a lesson. But I doubt many are expecting them to be on message with the wokesters in those music circles?
On a similar note, we don't seem to hear much from Lilly Allen these days, who is notorious for openly ranting and raving in an obnoxious manner about political issues, e.g, the Grenfell Tower tragedy in the summer of 2017.
Strangely not a peep from her during the events of 2020 so far, or if so, it's been kept lower key.
During our younger days in the mid-late 90s, the main celebrity gobs**tes here in the UK seemed to be Liam Gallagher and Robbie Williams, both of whom were forever at war with each other and radically ranting and raving about pretty much everything one could poke a stick at.
Hey I was just looked to see who started this thread...and to my surprise it was me! LOL!
Hey I was just looked to see who started this thread...and to my surprise it was me! LOL!
Aha. It does have the word "politics" in the title, old boy ;)
I'm not political am I, Mon Capitaine?
Pas du tout, Monseigneur..
En absoluto para nada Senor:D
Usted es un Trumpistador supremo...!
WiredIncorrectly
01-08-20, 16:50
On a similar note, we don't seem to hear much from Lilly Allen these days, who is notorious for openly ranting and raving in an obnoxious manner about political issues, e.g, the Grenfell Tower tragedy in the summer of 2017.
Strangely not a peep from her during the events of 2020 so far, or if so, it's been kept lower key.
She was funded by Labour. Along with JME, Skepta (JME's brother), and Boy Better Know (BBK). This was during the previous election not the recent one. Wiley knows something about this and is constantly ranting against Skepta. His Twitter is often times funny. Some deals were cut there for promoting Labour to the youth. I believe Jeremy Corbyn was member of BBK: https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/jeremy-corbyn-grime-4-boy-better-know-wikipedia-page-jme-stormzy-labour-manifesto-general-election-a7738436.html
That's how ridiculous it gets. A clever ploy to promote labour to the youth and it worked. They're proxies a lot of the time for political agendas. That's not wacko conspiracy either. But, these celebs don't speak until somebody is holding a wad of money under their nose.
Liam Gallagher and Robbie Williams were making money from these rants. The more they did it, the more they made. People loved it. But, then there's the UB40 brothers who are genuinely feuding which each other but the media don't care. Doesn't make anybody money.
She was funded by Labour. Along with JME, Skepta (JME's brother), and Boy Better Know (BBK). This was during the previous election not the recent one. Wiley knows something about this and is constantly ranting against Skepta. His Twitter is often times funny. Some deals were cut there for promoting Labour to the youth. I believe Jeremy Corbyn was member of BBK: https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/jeremy-corbyn-grime-4-boy-better-know-wikipedia-page-jme-stormzy-labour-manifesto-general-election-a7738436.html
That's how ridiculous it gets. A clever ploy to promote labour to the youth and it worked. They're proxies a lot of the time for political agendas. That's not wacko conspiracy either. But, these celebs don't speak until somebody is holding a wad of money under their nose.
Liam Gallagher and Robbie Williams were making money from these rants. The more they did it, the more they made. People loved it. But, then there's the UB40 brothers who are genuinely feuding which each other but the media don't care. Doesn't make anybody money.
Although Liam has had a bit of a resurgence as a solo artist recently, and also appears to have toned down his 'wild-boy' antics, Robbie doesn't seem to get the same attention by both the press and the general public these days.
As far as UB40 are concerned, they have been considered old hat since about 1995 or so and we're already a pale shadow of their former selves well before fragmenting from 2008 onwards.
I never rated UB40 (or You Bore Me Stupid) when they were doing the rounds of university campuses back in the early eighties (I was an undergrad then). I found their politics juvenile and the music pseudo-reggae. Far better bands around then putting out political and social observations .... The Smiths for one. Morrissey never opens his mouth nowadays .... I thought the political an social madness of the last few years would have been right up there on his soapbox. Perhaps he has just got older like the rest of us and thinking why bother?
Old Misery Morrissey must be loving all the Covid doom and gloom. Plenty of material to compose new dirges to inspire us all.
I'm pretty sure he's had a recent brush with cancer so maybe he's being sensible and lying low?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrissey
Grandpa is a ray of sunshine compared to moaning Morrissey, Vee!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrissey
Grandpa is a ray of sunshine compared to moaning Morrissey, Vee!
I know who you're talking about now. I just remembered, Grandpa is Vernon something, right?
Morrissey has quite a cult following over here among Smiths fans.
Dr Coleman, I believe? Has he finished his briefing updates? Or is he on a virtual book promotion tour?
I dunno. I think maybe he needs more grandkids to keep him busy? I mean, KK must be pretty old for him to still bounce on his knee ;)
MyNameIsTerry
01-08-20, 23:05
On a similar note, we don't seem to hear much from Lilly Allen these days, who is notorious for openly ranting and raving in an obnoxious manner about political issues, e.g, the Grenfell Tower tragedy in the summer of 2017.
Strangely not a peep from her during the events of 2020 so far, or if so, it's been kept lower key.
During our younger days in the mid-late 90s, the main celebrity gobs**tes here in the UK seemed to be Liam Gallagher and Robbie Williams, both of whom were forever at war with each other and radically ranting and raving about pretty much everything one could poke a stick at.
Funny you should say that, she popped up over this grime guy :biggrin:
MyNameIsTerry
01-08-20, 23:07
I dunno. I think maybe he needs more grandkids to keep him busy? I mean, KK must be pretty old for him to still bounce on his knee ;)
Whatever floats their boats...:whistles:
MyNameIsTerry
01-08-20, 23:08
Old Morrissey is no longer favoured now he is viewed as a right wing racist.
WiredIncorrectly
02-08-20, 00:07
Although Liam has had a bit of a resurgence as a solo artist recently, and also appears to have toned down his 'wild-boy' antics, Robbie doesn't seem to get the same attention by both the press and the general public these days.
As far as UB40 are concerned, they have been considered old hat since about 1995 or so and we're already a pale shadow of their former selves well before fragmenting from 2008 onwards.
I agree. And that's what I mean there's no demand for it even though it was a genuine fued. whereas there was a lot of demand to see Robbie and Liam go at it; even if it was staged. Robbie went downhill when the drink and drugs got bad I believe?
Talking of BBK Solo 45 was jailed for 24 years today for rape and torture on 4 women, and Wiley had his Twitter banned for anti semitic rants. And that's just the past 2 days. Think he's running out of money and was paid to do it if I'm honest :roflmao: ... the lad has an MBE. And to think, Corbyn is in the same "chav crew" as these folk.
World is upside down these days.
MyNameIsTerry
03-08-20, 05:05
I agree. And that's what I mean there's no demand for it even though it was a genuine fued. whereas there was a lot of demand to see Robbie and Liam go at it; even if it was staged. Robbie went downhill when the drink and drugs got bad I believe?
Talking of BBK Solo 45 was jailed for 24 years today for rape and torture on 4 women, and Wiley had his Twitter banned for anti semitic rants. And that's just the past 2 days. Think he's running out of money and was paid to do it if I'm honest :roflmao: ... the lad has an MBE. And to think, Corbyn is in the same "chav crew" as these folk.
World is upside down these days.
The fleas on the dog for Corbyn as usual. Trying to be Mr Popular to groups that included vile idiots cost him big time. Still, at least we don't have to hear the yoof singing "oh Jeremy Corbyn" anymore :emot-puke:
Weren't the drugs Robbie's best move? He relaunched a successful career off his rehab media.
How can you have forgotten such an epic fued as Danny "I'm ard, me" Dyer and Mark Right? Manbags at dawn https://yoursmiles.org/msmile/quarrel/m1147.gif:roflmao:
Seems the good doctor Phony advocated for hydroxychloroquine back in 2005.
https://onenewsnow.com/perspectives/bryan-fischer/2020/04/27/fauci-knew-about-hcq-in-2005-nobody-needed-to-die
Seems the good doctor Phony advocated for hydroxychloroquine back in 2005.
https://onenewsnow.com/perspectives/bryan-fischer/2020/04/27/fauci-knew-about-hcq-in-2005-nobody-needed-to-die
Yup. The truth about Hydroxychloroquine (HydroxCl) has been aggressively suppressed because unlike other newer meds (and future vaccines), it costs peanuts and has been used safely for decades.
Apparently, a positive study appeared in the Lancet re HydroxCl which was quickly withdrawn for "unknown" reasons. Perhaps because it proposed HydroxCl was effective in treating COVID-19.
Unfortunately, nothing these psychopathic technocrats do surprises me :lac:
You are right once again Mon Capitaine!
More on the great Dr. Anthony Phony:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/08/01/watch-tucker-shreds-dr-fauci-for-being-a-total-fraud-n2573545
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Fischer
He has some interesting views
This wouldn’t be anything to do with Donald Trump making an absolute hash of dealing with this virus and needing a scapegoat before the upcoming election, would it? Also good that Fauci is apparently a fraud but a statement from him in 2005 is deemed as accurate. How does that work? Selective amnesia or what?
As for hydroxychloroquine, trials are still ongoing and any doctor or scientist worth their salt knows that you cannot say something is effective until it’s proven as such.
Your article points to small studies that have success, it points to none that have shown hydroxychloroquine as completely ineffective or, even worse, dangerous for folk with certain existing ailments.
Hydroxychloroquine was shown to be completely ineffective in both prevention and cure during the solidarity trials of treatments. Thousands of people given it showed no improvement compared to more thousands who received standard treatment.
These trials relied on a lot more than a scientifically illiterate Presidents say so.
Fauci is an utter fraud Gary. A 38 year government bureaucrat and total shill for the left.
I hope Trump doesn't say chemo therapy is good for cancer.
You're also wrong about your assessment of Hydroxychloroquine BTW.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/04/06/here-are-five-doctors-whose-patients-have-seen-recovery-with-hydroxy-chloroquine-n2566409
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/04/06/here-are-five-doctors-whose-patients-have-seen-recovery-with-hydroxy-chloroquine-n2566409
That article is from early April, the study I’m referring to was completed in early July. I’ll let you guess why the July study is more accurate.
Also, it isn’t my assessment, it’s the assessment of world renowned scientists, doctors and epidemiologists who spend their career researching medicine and efficacy.
I just showed you an article with thousands of doctors with hands on covid patients. They use it in the hospital my wife works in.
Fauci is an utter fraud Gary. A 38 year government bureaucrat and total shill for the left.
I hope Trump doesn't say chemo therapy is good for cancer.
That’s the trouble with Trump though, isn’t it? Every time he tries to be scientific he comes across as a bumbling buffoon. From bleaching people’s insides to claiming Covid-19 was going to disappear like a fart in the wind, I don’t think he’s in any position to pull rank on anyone when it comes to science.
Dr Fauci is the convenient scapegoat for Trump and his fan boys who cannot criticise the man honestly.
I'll take in the trenches doctors over your world renowned scientists any day of the week, Gary.
I wouldn't call him convenient... he's been there for 38 years...he didn't just happen along.
Ok yardwork to do. I'll pick this up later.
I just showed you an article with thousands of doctors with hands on covid patients. They use it in the hospital my wife works in.
That’s the difference between anecdotal evidence and controlled studies. Every randomised trial of hydroxychloroquine has shown it to be either ineffective or dangerous.
Also, if it’s as prevalent in the US healthcare setting as that article suggests, why is the death toll in the US so high? Surely this miracle drug should have performed miracles?
I say all of this wishing it was effective, by the way.
I'll take in the trenches doctors over your world renowned scientists any day of the week, Gary.
The studies I’m referring to, specifically the recovery studies, were carried out in real life medical settings on real life Covid-19 patients. They were carried out in thousands of people.
This idea that Dr Fauci is the devil incarnate because he doesn’t jump on the hydroxychloroquine float is utter nonsense. This drug has been trialed worldwide and when put under real scientific scrutiny it just doesn’t stand up. I wish it did, but it doesn’t.
Yup. The truth about Hydroxychloroquine (HydroxCl) has been aggressively suppressed because unlike other newer meds (and future vaccines), it costs peanuts and has been used safely for decades.
Apparently, a positive study appeared in the Lancet re HydroxCl which was quickly withdrawn for "unknown" reasons. Perhaps because it proposed HydroxCl was effective in treating COVID-19.
Unfortunately, nothing these psychopathic technocrats do surprises me :lac:
The Lancet publication actually said that hydroxychloroquine caused a much higher mortality rate, and was later retracted due to the study involved being unavailable for peer review.
The publication actually caused many trials to halt their hydroxychloroquine studies, and when retracted the trails recommenced.
Doctor's on the front lines isn't anecdotal pal.
Back to the Rhododendrons!
I never rated UB40 (or You Bore Me Stupid) when they were doing the rounds of university campuses back in the early eighties (I was an undergrad then). I found their politics juvenile and the music pseudo-reggae. Far better bands around then putting out political and social observations .... The Smiths for one. Morrissey never opens his mouth nowadays .... I thought the political an social madness of the last few years would have been right up there on his soapbox. Perhaps he has just got older like the rest of us and thinking why bother?
No ageism nor hatred of said artist(s) intended, but perhaps many also consider Morrissey and his ilk 'old hat' and less newsworthy nowadays.
Same also for Phil Collins, who was also well known for addressing many political and social issues in many of his songs back in the 80s and early 90s, both solo and with Genesis.
Doctor's on the front lines isn't anecdotal pal.
It’s been physically proven to be anecdotal. There was obviously some early promise with the drug, why else would it even have been put through such vigorous trials if there weren’t, but upon closer and, crucially, more randomised study, it has been shown consistently to make not one iota of difference in either cure or prevention.
Hey, you're alive, Noivous!
Pamplemousse
03-08-20, 18:07
Morrissey never opens his mouth nowadays .... I thought the political an social madness of the last few years would have been right up there on his soapbox.
Errrr.... he does open his mouth (usually on Twitter) and has become very right-wing these days, supporting the far-right political party For Britain.
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/morrissey-interview-far-right-for-britain-racist-brexit-nigel-farage-a8973276.html
Errrr.... he does open his mouth (usually on Twitter) and has become very right-wing these days, supporting the far-right political party For Britain.
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/morrissey-interview-far-right-for-britain-racist-brexit-nigel-farage-a8973276.html
He lives here in LA, but you all can have him back ;)
Actually, his cult following is here. And I think a lot of his music fans here don't care about his politics because he tweets mostly about British politics.
Errrr.... he does open his mouth (usually on Twitter) and has become very right-wing these days, supporting the far-right political party For Britain.
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/morrissey-interview-far-right-for-britain-racist-brexit-nigel-farage-a8973276.html
I am one of those luddites who doesn't use Twitter. Place full of hatred, poison and bile from all sides of the political spectrum
I am one of those luddites who doesn't use Twitter. Place full of hatred, poison and bile from all sides of the political spectrum
Best avoided then.
This forum is probably the closest I'll ever get to social media.
I remember back in its earlier years YouTube had a more 'Wild West' vibe to it where 'anything goes', not just the content of the material uploaded to it but the comments sections underneath were often cesspits of expletive-ridden (and often racist) tirades, even if the actual content was something fairly innocuous, as I recall back in 2008 re-watching an old favourite episode of The Sooty Show and some stupid moron posted in the comments section underneath something like 'P**is are f***ing c***s'!
(The offending words above were spelled out in full in the aforementioned YouTube comments)
People with a screw loose, and nothing better to be doing than to post abusive comments on a random video, that were contextually irrelevant!!
Pamplemousse
03-08-20, 19:12
He lives here in LA, but you all can have him back ;)
Nah, you can keep him. We don't want him back. Typical hypocrisy of so many Brit "stars" - moan about the state of the UK from their Hollywood mansions.
Nah, you can keep him. We don't want him back. Typical hypocrisy of so many Brit "stars" - moan about the state of the UK from their Hollywood mansions.
Yeah. While I can't blame anyone for wanting to live here in socal, as the weather pretty much is paradise most of the time, we do have a lot people who made money in other places and then move out here to drive our prices up! I guess, as long as they pay their taxes, I can't complain too much, though. Harry and Meghan better not be dodging any taxes!
Nah, you can keep him. We don't want him back. Typical hypocrisy of so many Brit "stars" - moan about the state of the UK from their Hollywood mansions.
Totally crazy if you ask me.
Whatever goes on here in Blighty shouldn't really be his problem or concern any more, as he packed up and moved across the Atlantic in pursuit of a supposedly better life ages ago, but still has the nerve to sneer at us!!
As we all know full well, the USA has its problems too, like virtually every other country throughout the world.
Pamplemousse
03-08-20, 19:46
Yeah. While I can't blame anyone for wanting to live here in socal, as the weather pretty much is paradise most of the time, we do have a lot people who made money in other places and then move out here to drive our prices up! I guess, as long as they pay their taxes, I can't complain too much, though. Harry and Meghan better not be dodging any taxes!
That happens in so many places though and not on that sort of scale either. Ask anyone born and raised in Southwold for example, or Cornwall, or what's going on in Manchester at the moment. It even happened where I live some thirty years ago.
Nah, you can keep him. We don't want him back. Typical hypocrisy of so many Brit "stars" - moan about the state of the UK from their Hollywood mansions.
Loads of Champagne Socialists here too..
Pamplemousse
04-08-20, 13:04
Loads of Champagne Socialists here too..
I never quite 'got' that statement - "Champagne Socialist". It's as though you can only ever be resolutely working-class with holes in your socks in order to be a socialist. There is such a thing as "aspirational Socialism", it was something Wilson tried in the 60s and Blair in the 90s (before he found God and Dubya).
What does annoy me is a particular nonsense called "luxury communism". As someone whose father escaped a certain death under Uncle Joe after WW2, that sort of nonsense is particularly offensive to my ears. There does seem to be a mindset now that you can never, ever, get away from the social class you were born in: I came from a C2D background yet now I'd be classed as AB. So my inner socialist says "I had the chances - why shouldn't everyone else be given them?".
However, what that has to do with this damned virus, which is threatening to turn things upside down yet again...
I never quite 'got' that statement - "Champagne Socialist". It's as though you can only ever be resolutely working-class with holes in your socks in order to be a socialist. There is such a thing as "aspirational Socialism", it was something Wilson tried in the 60s and Blair in the 90s (before he found God and Dubya).
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What does annoy me is a particular nonsense called "luxury communism". As someone whose father escaped a certain death under Uncle Joe after WW2, that sort of nonsense is particularly offensive to my ears. There does seem to be a mindset now that you can never, ever, get away from the social class you were born in: I came from a C2D background yet now I'd be classed as AB. So my inner socialist says "I had the chances - why shouldn't everyone else be given them?".
However, what that has to do with this damned virus, which is threatening to turn things upside down yet again...
Or much rather, still threatening to turn things upside down, as it never actually went away. (please excuse my pedantry).
I never quite 'got' that statement - "Champagne Socialist". It's as though you can only ever be resolutely working-class with holes in your socks in order to be a socialist. There is such a thing as "aspirational Socialism", it was something Wilson tried in the 60s and Blair in the 90s (before he found God and Dubya).
What does annoy me is a particular nonsense called "luxury communism". As someone whose father escaped a certain death under Uncle Joe after WW2, that sort of nonsense is particularly offensive to my ears. There does seem to be a mindset now that you can never, ever, get away from the social class you were born in: I came from a C2D background yet now I'd be classed as AB. So my inner socialist says "I had the chances - why shouldn't everyone else be given them?".
However, what that has to do with this damned virus, which is threatening to turn things upside down yet again...
I'm thinking of those in the celeb world who think they are men/women of the people yet clearly aren't and who enjoy a luxury lifestyle whilst tossing coins at Big Issue sellers..
Pamplemousse
04-08-20, 16:23
Or much rather, still threatening to turn things upside down, as it never actually went away. (please excuse my pedantry).
Excused, dear boy :)
Pamplemousse
04-08-20, 16:24
I'm thinking of those in the celeb world who think they are men/women of the people yet clearly aren't and who enjoy a luxury lifestyle whilst tossing coins at Big Issue sellers..
I call those "Guardian readers" - although normally they'll be the ones stepping over the homeless, having driven to the organic co-operative Free Trade supermarket in their hybrid/electric 4x4...
The thought of those who live in ivory towers comes to mind ... too many liberal intellectuals aspiring to be 'of the people' when in fact they have no connection to the class of people in question. London is full of them - most are in the Labour Party which ceased being a party of the working classes in the 1940s. Political and social Utopia is a pipe dream - hasn't worked in Eastern Europe and won't ever work in the West.
All that the current crisis has done is given people too much time to think and exercise political lunacy. When people get back to relative normality and have productive things to occupy their minds (like going back to work) I suspect all the political and social idiocy will fade away to the background ... where it belongs quite frankly.
The Lancet publication actually said that hydroxychloroquine caused a much higher mortality rate, and was later retracted due to the study involved being unavailable for peer review.
The publication actually caused many trials to halt their hydroxychloroquine studies, and when retracted the trails recommenced.
There is far more to the Lancet story - including a group of MDs in the US who dared to speak out against Fauci and the WHO re Hydroxychloroquine therapy for COVID-19. Suffice to say, they were quickly censored and shut down on YouTube and other SM platforms.
But let's look at a country like Turkey which didn't enforce a "full" nationwide lockdown like the UK and is routinely using Hydroxychloroquine (in conjunction with steroid meds in some cases) to treat COVID-19 patients. In country with a greater population than the UK it has a low "COVID-19-related" death toll of 5,700. 220,000 COVID-19 patients are said to have recovered.
So President Erdogan is doing something right by rejecting WHO "directives", as are some other countries we rarely hear about on the BBC and mainstream news :lac:
Yeah, but I can you trust the numbers coming out of Turkey either? Erdogan has more dictatorial fantasies than I do ;)
There is far more to the Lancet story - including a group of MDs in the US who dared to speak out against Fauci and the WHO re Hydroxychloroquine therapy for COVID-19. Suffice to say, they were quickly censored and shut down on YouTube and other SM platforms.
But let's look at a country like Turkey which didn't enforce a "full" nationwide lockdown like the UK and is routinely using Hydroxychloroquine (in conjunction with steroid meds in some cases) to treat COVID-19 patients. In country with a greater population than the UK it has a low "COVID-19-related" death toll of 5,700. 220,000 COVID-19 patients are said to have recovered.
So President Erdogan is doing something right by rejecting WHO "directives", as are some other countries we rarely hear about on the BBC and mainstream news :lac:
Again, the Lancet publication actually showed the drug to be causing really bad side effects and increased death rates. It was retracted after it was pointed out by other scientists that the data behind the study was incomplete for peer review. When the retraction of the article happened, trials that had been halted recommenced and many continue to this day. In what way is that suppressing hydroxychloroquine?
So no, the Lancet didn’t put out something that proved hydroxychloroquine effective and were then forced to retract it, as was your original claim, quite the opposite. I’m frankly no longer interested in further tangents. Your original claim is evidently wrong. Simple as that.
Going back to the original topic, Trump today encouraged people in Florida to vote by mail, yet he was trying to block it in Nevada a couple days ago. Trump is a mess, Noivous.
https://www.columbian.com/news/2020/aug/04/trump-asks-florida-voters-to-mail-ballots/
The thought of those who live in ivory towers comes to mind ... too many liberal intellectuals aspiring to be 'of the people' when in fact they have no connection to the class of people in question. London is full of them - most are in the Labour Party which ceased being a party of the working classes in the 1940s. Political and social Utopia is a pipe dream - hasn't worked in Eastern Europe and won't ever work in the West.
All that the current crisis has done is given people too much time to think and exercise political lunacy. When people get back to relative normality and have productive things to occupy their minds (like going back to work) I suspect all the political and social idiocy will fade away to the background ... where it belongs quite frankly.
I think a lot of the so-called political and social idiocy and the general ignorance within our society was already a thing well before Corona.
Just that CV is the latest in a long line of fodder for 'political and social idiocy'. It's as if stuff like Brexit and fears of terrorism have now pretty much been cast aside and forgotten about, where as pre-Corona they both seemed to be the foremost concerns of this country!!
Pamplemousse
05-08-20, 17:48
Trump is a mess
Not just a mess, Vee - Trump is terrified a lot of chickens will come home to roost in November and he may well not be able to ride the populist wave that saw him elected in 2016. It's sad that America's youth are being asked to choose between two white septuagenarians to govern them, but there you go. I'm just hoping the fashion for unthinking populism for the hard of thinking is about to die a death; it's making a mess all over the world right now.
Not just a mess, Vee - Trump is terrified a lot of chickens will come home to roost in November and he may well not be able to ride the populist wave that saw him elected in 2016. It's sad that America's youth are being asked to choose between two white septuagenarians to govern them, but there you go. I'm just hoping the fashion for unthinking populism for the hard of thinking is about to die a death; it's making a mess all over the world right now.
Oh, I totally agree PM. I'm not happy with the alternative to Trump. That's why I think it's time to rework the two-party system and electoral college...and when we do, make sure we hear from as many types of Americans as possible. I think we need to remember that our diversity is a defining characteristic of our country, not something we need to try to dispose of...
Again, the Lancet publication actually showed the drug to be causing really bad side effects and increased death rates. It was retracted after it was pointed out by other scientists that the data behind the study was incomplete for peer review. When the retraction of the article happened, trials that had been halted recommenced and many continue to this day. In what way is that suppressing hydroxychloroquine?
So no, the Lancet didn’t put out something that proved hydroxychloroquine effective and were then forced to retract it, as was your original claim, quite the opposite. I’m frankly no longer interested in further tangents. Your original claim is evidently wrong. Simple as that.
That is your "official" angle, old ham.
The data held by Surgisphere should be made available for independent scrutiny/audit so experts can judge the real "veracity" of these studies:
The findings led to the pause of some global clinical trials (https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/03/who-resuming-hydroxychloroquine-study-for-covid-19/) studying hydroxychloroquine so researchers could check for any safety concerns. Outside experts, however, quickly raised concerns (https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/02/top-medical-journals-raise-concerns-about-data-in-two-studies-related-to-covid-19/) after noticing inconsistencies in the data. They asked the company that compiled and analyzed the data, Surgisphere, to explain how it sourced its data.
As scrutiny grew, the authors on the paper not affiliated with Surgisphere called for an independent audit. In their Lancet statement Thursday, they said that Surgisphere was not cooperating with the independent reviewers and would not provide the data.
“As such, our reviewers were not able to conduct an independent and private peer review and therefore notified us of their withdrawal from the peer-review process,” the researchers wrote.
And it's interesting that Fauci himself approved HydroxCl for all Coronaviruses, including SARS, which apparently shares 80% of its genome with COVID-19.
Smells fishier than a Wuhan wet market.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/cover-up-fauci-approved-chloroquine-hydroxychloroquine-15-years-ago-cure-coronaviruses/5713659
MyNameIsTerry
06-08-20, 00:25
Oh, I totally agree PM. I'm not happy with the alternative to Trump. That's why I think it's time to rework the two-party system and electoral college...and when we do, make sure we hear from as many types of Americans as possible. I think we need to remember that our diversity is a defining characteristic of our country, not something we need to try to dispose of...
Isn't that exactly why you won't get it? The system is set up to protect the greedy.
Isn't that exactly why you won't get it? The system is set up to protect the greedy.
Yup :/
That is your "official" angle, old ham.
The data held by Surgisphere should be made available for independent scrutiny/audit so experts can judge the real "veracity" of these studies:
And it's interesting that Fauci himself approved HydroxCl for all Coronaviruses, including SARS, which apparently shares 80% of its genome with COVID-19.
Smells fishier than a Wuhan wet market.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/cover-up-fauci-approved-chloroquine-hydroxychloroquine-15-years-ago-cure-coronaviruses/5713659
The original source of this article is True Pundit though.
Panicattacka
06-08-20, 08:52
All governments lie, routinely. Throughout history, someone, somewhere, in a position of governmental authority has been lying about an agenda, withholding facts, spinning events, gaslighting, and persuading others of the need to do XYZ, or else! This includes all wars (that should be obvious I hope) and all attempts at social engineering.
Yet somehow, when it comes to Covid, this grand historical process is suspended? People in authority all have our best interests at heart and are telling the truth?
Sorry, does not compute.
That is your "official" angle, old ham.
The data held by Surgisphere should be made available for independent scrutiny/audit so experts can judge the real "veracity" of these studies:
And it's interesting that Fauci himself approved HydroxCl for all Coronaviruses, including SARS, which apparently shares 80% of its genome with COVID-19.
Smells fishier than a Wuhan wet market.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/cover-up-fauci-approved-chloroquine-hydroxychloroquine-15-years-ago-cure-coronaviruses/5713659
Whilst I agree that data should always be made available, the fact remains that your claim of a Lancet publication showing hydroxychloroquine as effective and then mysteriously disappearing is wrong. There was no effort to suppress this drug, and in fact there was an effort made to ensure the data provided was accurate and that trials would continue. So yes, your original claim is evidently wrong.
I don’t know how Dr Fauci can say that a drug is effective against a strain of virus that simply didn’t exist at the time, either.
This just reeks of a need to go against science. Yourself and “agent N” have been very vocal about the potential risks of new vaccines and treatments for Covid-19, but you both seem to be supporting the use of a drug that has been clinically shown to be both ineffective and potentially dangerous for folk with certain conditions.
That drug is of NO benefit for Covid and IS dangerous :mad:I don’t need to explain any further.
That drug is of NO benefit for Covid and IS dangerous :mad:I don’t need to explain any further.
Trials are ongoing but the results so far have been poor. They may find it benefits certain age groups or something so it’s certainly worth seeing the trials through, but at this point it looks like the closer it’s scrutinised the more it falls apart.
Pamplemousse
06-08-20, 11:26
Isn't that exactly why you won't get it? The system is set up to protect the greedy.
Same as here. Take a read of this: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1291244082145177600.html
I think the only likelihood of change occurring here is if there was to be a Starmer/Moran coalition in 2024 which admittedly is unlikely, unless Brexit turns out to be such a calamity that the disorder and disruption it causes makes Covid-19 akin to the day KFC ran out of chicken and the Tories flee with their stuffed bank accounts abroad.
Even then I seem to recall that a proposition to change to PR was defeated in 2010?
Politics, fundamentally, is a mess here. Vast numbers of the electorate are disenfranchised by FPTP in the UK and it only takes a few thousand voters to completely change the makeup of the country once you take the 'tribal' seats out of the equation.
Yet somehow, when it comes to Covid, this grand historical process is suspended? People in authority all have our best interests at heart and are telling the truth?
Sorry, does not compute.
Most people know deep down that politicians are psychopaths who don't have their best interests at heart but over time they develop something like Stockholm Syndrome. They're in state of fear and desperately want to believe that governments and politicised "scientific" institutions are trying to keep them safe during a "pandemic" so it's a coping mechanism. A powerful element of this syndrome is that captives will defend their oppressors and attack the rescuers.
Most people know deep down that politicians are psychopaths who don't have their best interests at heart but over time they develop something like Stockholm Syndrome. They're in state of fear and desperately want to believe that governments and politicised "scientific" institutions are trying to keep them safe during a "pandemic" so it's a coping mechanism. A powerful element of this syndrome is that captives will defend their oppressors and attack the rescuers.
Denial is also a coping mechanism.
Just saying.
Denial is also a coping mechanism.
Just saying.
LMAO :roflmao:
This is an entertaining thread and I think hearing everyone's point of view is a good distraction from anxiety caused by the uncertainties of the pandemic. If we all agreed it would be very boring.
All governments lie, routinely. Throughout history, someone, somewhere, in a position of governmental authority has been lying about an agenda, withholding facts, spinning events, gaslighting, and persuading others of the need to do XYZ, or else! This includes all wars (that should be obvious I hope) and all attempts at social engineering.
Yet somehow, when it comes to Covid, this grand historical process is suspended? People in authority all have our best interests at heart and are telling the truth?
Sorry, does not compute.
Although I agree with much of what you have said, we, the general public, are just as culpable in terms of lying, ignorance and pushing our own personal agendas as politicians are.
And remember we're generally the ones responsible for putting the politicians in power whom we come to dislike, either by actually voting for them or (indirectly) by not even bothering to go out and vote at all whenever we get the opportunity, and instead thinking 'they're all as bad as each other, so why even bother'!!
Strangely, hardly anyone seems to talk about John Major anymore, while many still continue to discuss both his predecessor Thatcher and successor Blair quite a lot, more often than not in an indignant manner.
Pamplemousse
06-08-20, 23:43
Strangely, hardly anyone seems to talk about John Major anymore, while many still continue to discuss both his predecessor Thatcher and successor Blair quite a lot, more often than not in an indignant manner.
For the most part, he was an inoffensive man with a genuinely working-class background. Several people I know knew him and his wife and all of them spoke favourably of them both. Not sure the privatisation of British Rail in the form it took was his best moment though - I think he saw a return of The Big Four, but it didn't work out that way.
The amazing thing is that when you hear him speak now, compared to the shower of shit that comprises the modern Conservative party he seems so... statesmanlike.
MyNameIsTerry
07-08-20, 04:48
Same as here. Take a read of this: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1291244082145177600.html
I think the only likelihood of change occurring here is if there was to be a Starmer/Moran coalition in 2024 which admittedly is unlikely, unless Brexit turns out to be such a calamity that the disorder and disruption it causes makes Covid-19 akin to the day KFC ran out of chicken and the Tories flee with their stuffed bank accounts abroad.
Even then I seem to recall that a proposition to change to PR was defeated in 2010?
Politics, fundamentally, is a mess here. Vast numbers of the electorate are disenfranchised by FPTP in the UK and it only takes a few thousand voters to completely change the makeup of the country once you take the 'tribal' seats out of the equation.
All parties have them and legal eagles like this guy have their beaks firmly in given how great Brexit has been to him. You got to love them covering it up thinking that wouldn't look even worse.
Wasn't it AV as PR got watered down by the coalition? I'm not convinced these systems would work for us either. Germany has problems with coalition government at the moment but they've been successful in the past but they are well used to them. 2016 onwards proved how everything stops if there is a big issue cutting across parties. The previous coalition had it's problems.
So although PR should give us more say I wonder if we would become disenfranchised by a lack movement on issues? I don't think it's the system as much as the snouts that are in it. It's like exec jobs in the public sector: you get sacked for being crap (well, you get paid off) then find yourself shuffled into another elsewhere.
I don't think Starmer will last. He has appeal but also baggage. He was key to watering down Brexit to the point of forgetting it all but offered no solutions to the problems things like FOM cause for those who voted for it in the north. To his credit he accepted it once Boris won a majority but I think he also saw the opportunity to slink away letting Jezza take the hit. People are going to remember his actions and he's yet another London-centric MP which will distance him with those elsewhere just as they did/do for others like him. They are looking after their own constituents so it's to be expected but the rift was growing through the Blair years and Corbyn was a big nail in that coffin.
Brexit would have to go massively wrong to see a Lab-Lib coalition in my opinion . They would be pushing to rejoin. Starmer would have to recapture the areas they lost with an unpopular front bench. And the blame may not all be on the Tories anyway considering the flawed EU stance in negotiations. You could end up with some nose holding to vote Tory with factors like this.
I certainly wouldn't want to place any bets for next year! I can see BoJo slinking off to the next gravy train though.
Woman Punches Teen Boy in Walmart for Not Wearing Face Mask
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upA9yfHHEzY&feature=youtu.be
Pamplemousse
07-08-20, 10:31
Miriam Margolyes on Boris Johnson:
"[He] couldn't direct shit into a paper bag"
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/miriam-margolyes-on-dominic-cummings-donald-trump-and-boris-johnson-1-6780243
Johnson is a singularly useless individual, a true member of the so-called elite feted by fools and xenophobes because he "got Brexit done". When you look at what has happened in just a few years with benefits and so much else I can only conclude that you have to be a psychopath to vote Tory.
Johnson more than anything else wants to be an ex- Prime Minister: freed from any responsibility again - his casual siring of children to the point he doesn't know how many he actually has - would have caused outrage amongst Tory voters were the tables turned and indicates his true personality. Freed from responsibility, he can go on the after-dinner circuit and charge fifty grand a speech and enjoy all the privilege he craves.
What was it said about the harlot?
Pamplemousse
07-08-20, 11:00
Woman Punches Teen Boy in Walmart for Not Wearing Face Mask
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upA9yfHHEzY&feature=youtu.be
Poor show.
I'd have put the little ******* on the floor.
Poor show.
I'd have put the little ******* on the floor.
What's that directly got to do with politics?
And I thought YouTube were supposed to be clamping down on videos of that particular nature.
What's that directly got to do with politics?
And I thought YouTube were supposed to be clamping down on videos of that particular nature.
Hardly a punch is it, just looks like two people with not enough going on in their lives who’ve decided to march around telling people to wear masks.
Their argument kind of dies by physically touching and being within 2 metres of the maskless villains though, right?
Pamplemousse
07-08-20, 12:09
Hardly a punch is it, just looks like two people with not enough going on in their lives who’ve decided to march around telling people to wear masks.
Their argument kind of dies by physically touching and being within 2 metres of the maskless villains though, right?
As long as she sanitised her hands afterwards... :roflmao:
However, she does *almost* fit the stereotype of that new phrase to hit the lexicon: a 'Karen'.
Pamplemousse
07-08-20, 12:10
What's that directly got to do with politics?
And I thought YouTube were supposed to be clamping down on videos of that particular nature.
I didn't post it...
Miriam Margolyes on Boris Johnson:
"[He] couldn't direct shit into a paper bag"
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/miriam-margolyes-on-dominic-cummings-donald-trump-and-boris-johnson-1-6780243
Johnson is a singularly useless individual, a true member of the so-called elite feted by fools and xenophobes because he "got Brexit done". When you look at what has happened in just a few years with benefits and so much else I can only conclude that you have to be a psychopath to vote Tory.
Johnson more than anything else wants to be an ex- Prime Minister: freed from any responsibility again - his casual siring of children to the point he doesn't know how many he actually has - would have caused outrage amongst Tory voters were the tables turned and indicates his true personality. Freed from responsibility, he can go on the after-dinner circuit and charge fifty grand a speech and enjoy all the privilege he craves.
What was it said about the harlot?
Oh come on, PM..You like him really:winks: Who would really relish being PM at the moment when you're a sitting target for frightened people who want "answers" where there is just uncertainty. At least this is the UK and not some godforsaken country where people are treated as easily dispensable cattle.
Pamplemousse
07-08-20, 14:17
Oh come on, PM..You like him really:winks: Who would really relish being PM at the moment when you're a sitting target for frightened people who want "answers" where there is just uncertainty. At least this is the UK and not some godforsaken country where people are treated as easily dispensable cattle.
Tell me you had your tongue in your cheek when you wrote that.
No I'm serious. Would you have preferred Corbyn ..Seriously? There's far too much choice as to what people can and can't do but imagine the outrage if we were all actually told what to do and put in prison if we disobeyed the rules.
I didn't post it...
My mistake, I meant to respond to Hollow.
MyNameIsTerry
08-08-20, 03:24
No I'm serious. Would you have preferred Corbyn ..Seriously? There's far too much choice as to what people can and can't do but imagine the outrage if we were all actually told what to do and put in prison if we disobeyed the rules.
Thats Labour who still couldn't clearly state their Brexit position into the election campaign after 4 years of dithering over it.
The problem for them was their front bench wanted to cancel it or reluctantly water it down so far as to be pointless. And their heads in the sand over those of us outside of London or their membership. Seriously who cares what 500k members think? To form party policy those 50ok completely matter and should be listened to but outside in the election world those numbers are tiny. They kept saying Labour members voted Remain but forgot the vast majority of Labour voters aren't members and as proven by their disastrous defeat shouldn't have been sacrificed to try to retain London Remain votes and such.
We had the Lib Dems cancel policy, the Tories promising to honour it and a Labour party you didn't know either way. So traditional Labour seats fell to those promising to enact what they voted for previously (something many on all sides tried their best to work out of).
Northern & Midland Leave voters were left having to vote Tory because of this. There is still the Corbyn issue, also very unpopular, but it was more a Brexit election.
No I'm serious. Would you have preferred Corbyn ..Seriously? There's far too much choice as to what people can and can't do but imagine the outrage if we were all actually told what to do and put in prison if we disobeyed the rules.
I completely agree with your last sentence, Pulisa.
I don't think a lot of people in this country quite realise how fortunate they actually are in the grand scheme of things, when it comes to choice and basic human rights, but get all touchy about being denied non-essential things, such as their perennial trips to other countries like Spain this year, which, especially before the 90s, was still a luxury for the vast majority of the population whom even used to consider a trip to the British coast just for a few days a big event!!
Yes we have our problems and injustices, but at least for the most part, the balance is right as far as our policing is concerned, where our 'law' doesn't generally support the 'wade in all guns blazing' tactic, unlike many other countries throughout the world.
And we're definitely far removed from being thrown in jail willy-nilly for the slightest breach of the rules.
My sister tells me that in Cape Verde people are being locked up for going for runs in the main squares..because they are on lockdown. Not LINO lockdown or PYLON lockdown (please yourself lockdown or not). The police there crack down hard and people know what happens if they break the rules. Of course there are far less people and jails are less overcrowded.
I was talking to this other guy on the phone this morning, who I have known for years, and he was moaning non-stop about having to wear face masks whenever he visits shops and said 'Well, infection rates are still going up anyway so what's the point in even bothering to wear them'. I replied with 'Well, had the wearing of face masks in indoor public places here in England not become mandatory since 24th July, the upward trend in infection rates could have been even greater by now'!!
But unfortunately, he was having none of it, and persisted in his opinionated stubbornness.
BTW, this is that very same person who I had a bit of a disagreement with just prior to last December's GE, who said that the current (Tory) govt are the worst govt he has ever known within his lifetime, but was (and still is) adamant that things would be even worse under Labour!!
For the record, that person in question is only just a few years older than me and doesn't have any form of disability.
What he does have though is a penchant for confrontations and for being a right know-it-all!!
Back to COVID-19. Even though I personally believe that Labour probably would have handled this crisis far better that the current Tory lot, I have a horrible feeling that popular opinion would probably have been the complete opposite, had Labour actually been in power right now, especially as they were hauled over the coals over their perceived handling of the foot-and-mouth crisis in 2001, the the second Iraq war in 2003 (which still to this day remains a subject of much debate and division) and many also (wrongly) believed that they were responsible for 'engineering' the Global Financial Crisis towards the end of the decade, which of course, like this current pandemic, was a global phenomenon that wasn't just UK-specific, nor of UK origin.
And of course, the media like to pander to many people's fears and prejudices.
Pamplemousse
11-08-20, 10:35
You also have to look at who owns the Fourth Estate and their political leanings - the origins of the collapse of the global economy originated in the US thanks to their practice of lending money to people who could ill afford it (so-called 'sub-prime' lending). Whilst Gordon Brown was foolish to de-regulate the banks as much as he did (never trust gamblers and spivs with your cash!) it is conveniently forgotten by his detractors that he was praised for his handling of that disaster the world over by people better qualified to judge than newspaper editors. Instead he's just remembered for "selling all the gold".
You also have to look at who owns the Fourth Estate and their political leanings - the origins of the collapse of the global economy originated in the US thanks to their practice of lending money to people who could ill afford it (so-called 'sub-prime' lending). Whilst Gordon Brown was foolish to de-regulate the banks as much as he did (never trust gamblers and spivs with your cash!) it is conveniently forgotten by his detractors that he was praised for his handling of that disaster the world over by people better qualified to judge than newspaper editors. Instead he's just remembered for "selling all the gold".
And many of Brown and Co's detractors are still to this very day stubbornly adamant that they (New Labour) bankrupted this country in the guise of the Global Financial Crisis and continue to talk bull about their perceived pandering to the likes of benefit scroungers, foreigners, etc as one of the main causes of the crisis in their opinion.
And misinformation/fake news was already a big thing back then in the late 2000s (and before), despite still not being widely acknowledged by the authorities at the time and the terms only entering common parlance around 2016 or so.
And the crisis most certainly had its origins across the pond, despite what all the anti-Labour camps still keep insisting.
nomorepanic
12-08-20, 15:18
This post was reported a couple of times so the video and all further posts quoting it etc have been removed.
Wow, you all have been naughty while I was sleeping ;)
This post was reported a couple of times so the video and all further posts quoting it etc have been removed.
Probably the wisest thing to do.
MyNameIsTerry
13-08-20, 05:18
Wow, you all have been naughty while I was sleeping ;)
I missed the ones after mine. Someone was being very naughty posting 'news' with bits missing...:winks:
Probably the wisest thing to do.
I agree,that bloke is a nutter
I agree,that bloke is a nutter
:roflmao: And that's saying something being on a site where everyone has a mental illness!
Pretty good article out of Sweden.
https://outline.com/teRrhH
New Randy Rainbow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQTuFudB028&t=8s&ab_channel=RandyRainbow) ~lol~
FMP
Wish I could hear that it looks pretty funny. No YT account.
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