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Since US politics is kinda boring ATM I thought I'd fire up this thread...see if it gets any ground.
Apparently the lefties in the US aren't the only ones weaponizing the racism charge.
What's going on with Jeremy Corbin?
Something I thought I'd never see.
https://www.nysun.com/editorials/day-of-shame-for-british-labor/91319/
Corbyn is a terrorist sympathising anti Semitic little weasel. How he got into a position of people deciding whether or not he ran this country is a source of constant amazement. His appearance at Glastonbury a few years back was on a par with Biden being interviewed by Cardi “occurrrttt” B. Just reeks of an arrogance and thinking stupid shit like that will appeal to even more stupid people.
I hate the whole idea of “left vs right” myself, I prefer to form judgements on the contents of a package rather than the label, but if we’re having to call it out I’m afraid that the so called “left” appear to find it hard to win an election based on policy. It seems to fall down to slapping labels on folk and appealing to the lowest common denominator.
But you know, me personally, I think the worst thing in UK politics are the cult known as the SNP. I don’t think they’re left or right, I just think they’re anti English.
Very interesting stuff Gary. I've been asking rhetorically for a long time why don't the Dems use ideas as fuel to get people to vote for them instead of using hatred as the fuel to get people to vote for them? The answer is this... their ideas do not sell to most people. Putting two trillion dollars into the weather is a loser at the polls. So they gain their support through unjustified vilification, which is much easier to do in the age of the cyberspace technology.
But I digress, back to Politics UK. I didn't know that about Corbin. How did this man come to lead the libs? I'm thinking an opportunist maybe?
SNP... I'll check that out.
LOL. N, is this your new thread to take digs at Democrats so you won't have to argue with me and FMP?
SNP... I'll check that out.
I don’t know that there’s anyone I can compare them to in US politics, all I can say is that they’re an insufferable bunch of absolute whiners who are hellbent on breaking up the United Kingdom at any cost.
We had a referendum in 2014 and the Scottish people, myself included, voted 55% in favour of remaining in the UK. Since then, they have become professional agitators blaming all and sundry on the UK government but taking credit for any positives.
They cannot let it go, and to make matters worse we now have a bunch of wide eyed hysterical know nothings who love nothing more than roaming the streets of Scotland screeching for another go at their beloved separatism.
It is no exaggeration when I say that I hate them, and I hate them with a passion. I have English relatives who all think that we in Scotland are all like these dribbling morons. It’s embarrassing.
I didn't know that about Corbin. How did this man come to lead the libs? I'm thinking an opportunist maybe?
You’ll need to ask someone who voted labour. I don’t, I never have, and unless they swiftly change their policies and stop pandering to the lazy and the freeloading, I never will.
I sound like a complete right winger here but I can assure you I’m not. I think man made global warming is real, I’m not religious, I’m an advocate for legalising marijuana and I’m not a nationalist by any means. I guess I just don’t like the damage I witnessed to this country carried out by years of a labour government. They bred the benefits culture, to the point that folk see having another child as basically a wage rise. A culture where folk earned more by sitting on their ar*e having kids than actually going out and doing an honest days work.
You’ve got me started here N.
MyNameIsTerry
30-10-20, 21:33
N, worth noting not all Jewish big hats agreed on this. There was a very dirty power struggle going on which twisted things as well.
I think Corbyn had the same problem Trump had with white supremacists. They used certain groups to get them into power so they are sheepish about turning on them. In Corbyn's case this allowed them to become emboldened. They thought they could get away with it just as post Brexit referendum we had the racists coming out conflating a Leave win with their views.
Corbyn was weak. He's a career backbencher and put up by the backers as a tool to allow the next leader come in. They failed. Their own previous leadership (Ed Milliband) created the farce by relaxing the joining rules.
Now Labour is fighting the same old battle under Starmer. Let's not forget he was one of his right hand men, and the architect of their failed Brexit policy or lack of it, and did nothing. But he's a lawyer so I would expect him to ride the political wave into more money whether he believes in anything or not. This guy spends his time saying "that was then, now let's move on" to distance himself from the dirt. But voters will remember.
Labour will never win whilst they spend more time infighting and forgetting their 'huge' membership is a drop in the ocean compared to voters. They will never win whilst they remain metropolitan Labour. There is a massive divide between metropolitan and traditional voters.
Right now I can only see them getting in if the Tories really stuff it up. Covid is one factor (Let's face it though Corbyn would have been bad too) but Brexit might be the real nail in the coffin. A lot of people are watching and the kind of nonsense the EU are trying is only hardening views. If Boris gives it all away Farage will ride the wave back into politics. The Tories could still survive by sacking Boris, I believe, because voters will still be wondering about how bad Labour are and that Starmer (and his front bench) all want be into the EU. How can we trust them after all they tried to stop it?
I don’t know that there’s anyone I can compare them to in US politics, all I can say is that they’re an insufferable bunch of absolute whiners who are hellbent on breaking up the United Kingdom at any cost.
We had a referendum in 2014 and the Scottish people, myself included, voted 55% in favour of remaining in the UK. Since then, they have become professional agitators blaming all and sundry on the UK government but taking credit for any positives.
They cannot let it go, and to make matters worse we now have a bunch of wide eyed hysterical know nothings who love nothing more than roaming the streets of Scotland screeching for another go at their beloved separatism.
It is no exaggeration when I say that I hate them, and I hate them with a passion. I have English relatives who all think that we in Scotland are all like these dribbling morons. It’s embarrassing.
Wow, Gary. I've never seen this side of you.
You know when I was in the UK, I heard a lot of jokes about the Welsh. I also went through Bristol and then onto Cardiff. I kinda have the feeling the English think they are better than any of their neighbors :roflmao:
LOL. N, is this your new thread to take digs at Democrats so you won't have to argue with me and FMP?
Get over yourself.
that's FMPs game not mine... BTW he hasn't spoken to me in a couple of years probably lol!
I don’t know that there’s anyone I can compare them to in US politics, all I can say is that they’re an insufferable bunch of absolute whiners who are hellbent on breaking up the United Kingdom at any cost.
We had a referendum in 2014 and the Scottish people, myself included, voted 55% in favour of remaining in the UK. Since then, they have become professional agitators blaming all and sundry on the UK government but taking credit for any positives.
They cannot let it go, and to make matters worse we now have a bunch of wide eyed hysterical know nothings who love nothing more than roaming the streets of Scotland screeching for another go at their beloved separatism.
It is no exaggeration when I say that I hate them, and I hate them with a passion. I have English relatives who all think that we in Scotland are all like these dribbling morons. It’s embarrassing.
Very interesting because I didn't know you were a Scot. BTW I'm of 1/4 Scottish descent...100% American of course.
So the SNP wanted to leave GB even before Brexit? Have they somehow used Brexit to advance their cause?
N, worth noting not all Jewish big hats agreed on this. There was a very dirty power struggle going on which twisted things as well.
I think Corbyn had the same problem Trump had with white supremacists. They used certain groups to get them into power so they are sheepish about turning on them. In Corbyn's case this allowed them to become emboldened. They thought they could get away with it just as post Brexit referendum we had the racists coming out conflating a Leave win with their views.
Corbyn was weak. He's a career backbencher and put up by the backers as a tool to allow the next leader come in. They failed. Their own previous leadership (Ed Milliband) created the farce by relaxing the joining rules.
Now Labour is fighting the same old battle under Starmer. Let's not forget he was one of his right hand men, and the architect of their failed Brexit policy or lack of it, and did nothing. But he's a lawyer so I would expect him to ride the political wave into more money whether he believes in anything or not. This guy spends his time saying "that was then, now let's move on" to distance himself from the dirt. But voters will remember.
Labour will never win whilst they spend more time infighting and forgetting their 'huge' membership is a drop in the ocean compared to voters. They will never win whilst they remain metropolitan Labour. There is a massive divide between metropolitan and traditional voters.
Right now I can only see them getting in if the Tories really stuff it up. Covid is one factor (Let's face it though Corbyn would have been bad too) but Brexit might be the real nail in the coffin. A lot of people are watching and the kind of nonsense the EU are trying is only hardening views. If Boris gives it all away Farage will ride the wave back into politics. The Tories could still survive by sacking Boris, I believe, because voters will still be wondering about how bad Labour are and that Starmer (and his front bench) all want be into the EU. How can we trust them after all they tried to stop it?
Just a quick clarification Terry. Trump did not use white supremacists to get into office. That so called group, whoever they are, ain't a pimple on an elephants arse here. Like Reagan said just because someone supports me doesn't mean I support them. Communists support Democrats here. But most Dems don't support communism...at least adult Dems.
Good points in your post though.
Very interesting because I didn't know you were a Scot. BTW I'm 1/4 of Scottish descent...100% American of course.
So the SNP wanted to leave GB even before Brexit? Have they somehow used Brexit to advance their cause?
N, the SNP have used Covid to further their cause. They’ve literally used everything they can to further their cause. I recall in 2016 when Trump won the US election writing a post on Facebook saying that it was only a matter of time before Alex Salmond (SNP cult leader/sex pest) used that as a mandate for another referendum.
I don’t call myself Scottish, I call myself British. I love my country but I genuinely hate what my flag now represents. The saltire has been hijacked by nationalist mental cases and it’s honestly not a nice place to be when this subject rears its head.
Fair enough, Gary. It sounds as if you're in the majority on the subject of remaining.
I thought there was a group in Scotland that when Brexit passed suddenly wanted to leave GB and remain in the EU. But the SNP wants total independence from all.
I thought there was a group in Scotland that when Brexit passed suddenly wanted to leave GB and remain in the EU. But the SNP wants total independence from all.
There was, that group was the SNP.
I’m sure Terry will agree with me on this, but if the UK had voted against Brexit the SNP would have demanded to leave. As I said, the SNP’s sole purpose is to disagree with our UK government and force separatism based on that. The aforementioned wide eyed idiots will go along with it.
When I talk about all of this it kind of makes me feel guilty for saying US politics is nuts.
N, the SNP have used Covid to further their cause. They’ve literally used everything they can to further their cause. I recall in 2016 when Trump won the US election writing a post on Facebook saying that it was only a matter of time before Alex Salmond (SNP cult leader/sex pest) used that as a mandate for another referendum.
I don’t call myself Scottish, I call myself British. I love my country but I genuinely hate what my flag now represents. The saltire has been hijacked by nationalist mental cases and it’s honestly not a nice place to be when this subject rears its head.
BTW a lot of groups have co-opted covid to advance their own political agenda.
Even on a personal level millions of people have done it....Gee, I'd really love to go out with you Saturday night Reggie...but you know, covid. Sorry. Or... I'd really like to work for you Saturday, boss...but covid...sorry dude.
Wow, Gary. I've never seen this side of you.
You know when I was in the UK, I heard a lot of jokes about the Welsh. I also went through Bristol and then onto Cardiff. I kinda have the feeling the English think they are better than any of their neighbors :roflmao:
We have a thing in Scotland, it’s called “wee man syndrome.” It basically means that you’re always fighting against an imaginary bigger enemy, and for those with simple minds it equates to hating English people just because their country is bigger than ours.
I recall during the independence referendum of 2014, the Nats (or NATzi’s as I call them) were running around threatening folk in broad daylight. I mean threatening physical violence if they didn’t say they were voting for independence. I lost good friends and even fell out with family members due to the hatred drummed up by the SNP. The fact they still try and do it to this day literally makes me sick to my stomach. As I said, they’re not a political party, they’re a cult.
When I talk about all of this it kind of makes me feel guilty for saying US politics is nuts.
I don't think the world is anymore insane today than at any other time. Yes, the internet and total loss of privacy has made the world very weird. But if you look back at history. The absolute off the rails insanity of let's say the US Civil War...murders, rapes, mutilation, absolute carnage and debauchery. Or WWII where piles upon piles of human bodies were being bulldozed into pits. Or...pick an era. Things change but human nature does not.
MyNameIsTerry
31-10-20, 01:21
I thought there was a group in Scotland that when Brexit passed suddenly wanted to leave GB and remain in the EU. But the SNP wants total independence from all.
Quite a few members of the SNP will have voted to leave the EU too. The ones that didn't...some of them will be the 'anyone but the English' crowd.
The same argument has been pointed out to ROI: why did you fight so hard for freedom to just sign it away to an unelected commission in Brussels? Simple for the politicians, Brussels is big money for them. Just ask former Labour leader Neil Kinnock who spent years opposing them until they gave him a job with a great pension :whistles:
Scotland will be small beer to the EU. Sure, you get a vote but when you're a net recipient (not payer) how do you say no to the man who pays your bills? ROI are currently learning that lesson.
MyNameIsTerry
31-10-20, 01:32
There was, that group was the SNP.
I’m sure Terry will agree with me on this, but if the UK had voted against Brexit the SNP would have demanded to leave. As I said, the SNP’s sole purpose is to disagree with our UK government and force separatism based on that. The aforementioned wide eyed idiots will go along with it.
Yep, I agree. They are just the anti UK contrarian party. Watch them in Parliament and you can almost see them foaming at the mouth.
They know they will wreck Scotland but it won't matter as they will move onto the next trough and let the common man take the pain.
It was funny to see Sturgeon reject Covid plans by Boris to wait a week and just rename it. :roflmao:
The sad thing is Scotland keeps voting them in. On the outside we have to remind ourselves people vote for a variety of reasons so as not to think Scottish people are like them. But by returning more SNP seats I can't see an argument to withhold a new referendum. And quite a few want us to have a vote too as we are sick of hearing the SNP blaming everything on us when if they travel over the border they will find many regions that have the same problems with Westminster.
It's probably time to review the value of devolved assemblies.
And look at the mess the SNP have caused to the country they love? They blame Parliament for devolved competences.
Now they are whinging about a power grab as some things return from Brussels. But only now?
MyNameIsTerry
31-10-20, 01:37
Wow, Gary. I've never seen this side of you.
You know when I was in the UK, I heard a lot of jokes about the Welsh. I also went through Bristol and then onto Cardiff. I kinda have the feeling the English think they are better than any of their neighbors :roflmao:
No, No, No! We do that with our English neighbouring counties too :roflmao: Throw a football into the mix and it gets even more tribal.
It's always a laugh reading the funny laws around the world. Whilst newer law supersedes many a bylaw I always laugh when we have one that says we can stick an arrow in a Scotsman if he crosses the border :biggrin:
There was one funny law somewhere in the world that meant a bride's mother had to be present in the bedroom on the wedding night. It's probably a category on Pornhub :roflmao: Talk about pressure for the poor groom :scared15:
MyNameIsTerry
31-10-20, 01:44
Just a quick clarification Terry. Trump did not use white supremacists to get into office. That so called group, whoever they are, ain't a pimple on an elephants arse here. Like Reagan said just because someone supports me doesn't mean I support them. Communists support Democrats here. But most Dems don't support communism...at least adult Dems.
Good points in your post though.
Thats really what I mean. He cast a wide net for voters and tried to pick up the disenfranchised the Democrats leave. So in Corbyn's case he was in hock to them as they put him there. Not the same as Trump, as you correctly point out, for the same reasons voting Leave the EU didn't make 17m people racists as we often get told we are. But it reminded me of the slow condemnation issues.
They all do it in some way. It can be as simple as not wanting to alienate people. Just part of being mainstream with voters spread across the spectrum as opposed to a hard-core narrow church.
Yep, I agree. They are just the anti UK contrarian party. Watch them in Parliament and you can almost see them foaming at the mouth.
They know they will wreck Scotland but it won't matter as they will move onto the next trough and let the common man take the pain.
It was funny to see Sturgeon reject Covid plans by Boris to wait a week and just rename it. :roflmao:
The sad thing is Scotland keeps voting them in. On the outside we have to remind ourselves people vote for a variety of reasons so as not to think Scottish people are like them. But by returning more SNP seats I can't see an argument to withhold a new referendum. And quite a few want us to have a vote too as we are sick of hearing the SNP blaming everything on us when if they travel over the border they will find many regions that have the same problems with Westminster.
It's probably time to review the value of devolved assemblies.
And look at the mess the SNP have caused to the country they love? They blame Parliament for devolved competences.
Now they are whinging about a power grab as some things return from Brussels. But only now?
Here’s how it works up here Terry. We (not me) have a traditional hate for the Tories. It harks back to the days of Thatcher. I’m too young to remember that myself, but traditionally up here, at least since the mid 80’s, we have been labour voters.
Since the late 90’s to mid 2000’s, labour have been an utter car crash. The SNP are now filling that void. So what you have now is traditional labour voters who don’t want to vote labour but would rather die than vote Tory. The SNP have ridden tall in the saddle due to this.
For me, the 2014 referendum was absolute proof of what’s going on up here. People voting SNP for nothing more than a void left by labour and an absolute bred in refusal to vote Tory. What’s left? Why, the SNP of course. However, most of us are sensible enough to know where our bread is buttered so we refused independence. We don’t mind voting SNP (again, not me, I’d rather sh*t in my hands and clap) but not to the point of independence.
However, and this really annoys me, support for independence up here is lower than ever. Ask anyone who lives here. Even staunch SNP activists are happy for them to be in Holyrood but only to look after our devolved interests. We are all sick and tired of hearing about independence. The SNP take our votes as a signal that we all want independence. It really isn’t, it’s just that we don’t want labour, we don’t want Tory, we just want you to shut the fu*k up and get on with the day job.
They don’t see it like that, though. They see every vote of confidence as a red flag that we in Scotland want independence. This is why I personally feel that they should be removed from parliament, as they clearly aren’t interested in anything else other than independence. They’ve absolutely ruined this country and are now turning folk like yourself and other good people from down south against us. This is deliberate.
I could go on for bloody hours about this but please rest assured, the SNP do not speak for me and they do not speak for the majority of Scotland. They’re voted into Holyrood, at no point did anyone say that this instantly translates into yet another delve into independence, other than the NATzi’s themselves.
No, No, No! We do that with our English neighbouring counties too :roflmao: Throw a football into the mix and it gets even more tribal.
It's always a laugh reading the funny laws around the world. Whilst newer law supersedes many a bylaw I always laugh when we have one that says we can stick an arrow in a Scotsman if he crosses the border :biggrin:
There was one funny law somewhere in the world that meant a bride's mother had to be present in the bedroom on the wedding night. It's probably a category on Pornhub :roflmao: Talk about pressure for the poor groom :scared15:
Maybe it's cause you're all stuck on a little part of an island...no where to escape from each other LOL
Get over yourself.
that's FMPs game not mine... BTW he hasn't spoken to me in a couple of years probably lol!
Don't make me put "Noivous' Favorite Liberal" as the new title in my signature line ;)
MyNameIsTerry
31-10-20, 02:41
Maybe it's cause you're all stuck on a little part of an island...no where to escape from each other LOL
Everyone who invaded us left all their moaners here. It was perfect for them. An early Escape From New York. Some did escape on a ship once though :winks:
GB now worlds 5th largest economy.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/27/brexit-boom-uk-overtakes-india-worlds-5th-largest-economy-outpace-france/
GB now worlds 5th largest economy.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/12/27/brexit-boom-uk-overtakes-india-worlds-5th-largest-economy-outpace-france/
That's a hard-right site though, so I personally would be a bit dubious about those claims, especially as we still aren't even beyond 1/1/21!
MyNameIsTerry
28-12-20, 16:58
That's a hard-right site though, so I personally would be a bit dubious about those claims, especially as we still aren't even beyond 1/1/21!
Look at who they are quoting. Its a forecast by a group of economists.
The UK slipped from 5th to 6th this year. We've been stagnating for nearly 5 years due to Brexit and the lack of clarity to business by politicians trying to block leaving the UK so it's no wonder.
Whether we will overtake India is another matter but as long as we get back on track...
That's a hard-right site though, so I personally would be a bit dubious about those claims, especially as we still aren't even beyond 1/1/21!
Yes, that's how N got brainwashed :doh:
Pamplemousse
29-12-20, 11:23
Breitbart. Much loved by those on the Right living in a permanent state of victimhood - and I would trust its output as much as I would trust the output of its political opposites like The Canary and Skwawkbox here in the UK.
As in, not one bleedin' iota.
Well Boris doesn't even seem to have batted an eyelid over the song currently at number 5 in the singles chart that calls him a combo of both the F and C-bombs. Although I kind of agree with the basic sentiment from a 'protest' perspective, I do think it's rather a sad reflection on our 'anything goes' attitudes, especially in terms of extreme profanities in titles of pop songs, despite me not being a prude per se, but songs calling past leaders such names would have been banned instantly, and surely Boris should be leading by example here, rather than seemingly tolerating it.
And I don't necessarily think it's just those on the left who are endorsing it, it's probably also the Farageites and their ilk.
Well we might just as well go the whole hog and allow full-on smoking on TV again as well. After all, some children's dramas such as Grange Hill, Byker Grove, Children's Ward, etc still had scenes of people smoking (and underage drinking) well into the 90s and we Gen X'ers turned out fine!!
(The latter paragraph said in jest BTW).
So what's the latest with Boris? I've been reading lately that he may be a short lived PM. And let me ask - what are the best British news outlets? Some of the more well known seem a little entrenched with the left.
Pamplemousse
21-01-21, 12:00
So what's the latest with Boris? I've been reading lately that he may be a short lived PM. And let me ask - what are the best British news outlets? Some of the more well known seem a little entrenched with the left.
Well, some of us are hoping he'll be gone but the flip side of that coin is someone even more useless will follow - his cabinet was chosen entirely on loyalty to him and little else, whilst others are scheming little turds (like Gove).
News outlets? The BBC upsets everybody, right and left so it's probably doing something right - but given your political leanings you'd be looking at paywalled sites like the Times and the Telegraph. There is a Breitbart UK of course.
Well, some of us are hoping he'll be gone but the flip side of that coin is someone even more useless will follow - his cabinet was chosen entirely on loyalty to him and little else, whilst others are scheming little turds (like Gove).
News outlets? The BBC upsets everybody, right and left so it's probably doing something right - but given your political leanings you'd be looking at paywalled sites like the Times and the Telegraph. There is a Breitbart UK of course.
Hopefully the current events across the pond might eventually inspire many Labour and Lib Dem MPs to put their feet down and try a bit harder over the coming months/years, and come up with more coherent plans, which sadly up until now they seemed to have been lacking, especially in terms of tackling misinformation/fake news, but then again, there seems to have been a seemingly endless cloud of despondency hanging over them for the past few years with them probably thinking 'what's the point' when opinion is so blatantly rigged against them by the media in particular, especially with Corbyn endlessly portrayed as a 'bogeyman', and Keir now no doubt having to take the rap for a lot of it, plus whatever Blair and Brown did wrong back in the 2000s.
Also I hope Biden and Co. now having officially assumed office in probably the world's most influential nation (dare I say it) might hopefully encourage many politically complacent and blasé Brits to finally crawl out from under their rocks in due course, and take a good, hard look at the real issues around them that really do matter, rather than persistently worshipping the Mr. Nobodies of this world on social media, and their endless BS propaganda!
Thanks for the info, Pamplemousse. Yes Breitbart UK I'm aware of. Really? The Times? I wonder if they're like the WSJ? Which to me isn't what I'd call conservative. But I'll take a look.
Don't you think every administration tries to surround themselves with loyalists? I mean it kinda makes sense no?
Didn't Boris get the Brexit deal done?
MyNameIsTerry
22-01-21, 04:55
Hopefully the current events across the pond might eventually inspire many Labour and Lib Dem MPs to put their feet down and try a bit harder over the coming months/years, and come up with more coherent plans, which sadly up until now they seemed to have been lacking, especially in terms of tackling misinformation/fake news, but then again, there seems to have been a seemingly endless cloud of despondency hanging over them for the past few years with them probably thinking 'what's the point' when opinion is so blatantly rigged against them by the media in particular, especially with Corbyn endlessly portrayed as a 'bogeyman', and Keir now no doubt having to take the rap for a lot of it, plus whatever Blair and Brown did wrong back in the 2000s.
Also I hope Biden and Co. now having officially assumed office in probably the world's most influential nation (dare I say it) might hopefully encourage many politically complacent and blasé Brits to finally crawl out from under their rocks in due course, and take a good, hard look at the real issues around them that really do matter, rather than persistently worshipping the Mr. Nobodies of this world on social media, and their endless BS propaganda!
Starmer should rightly be held to account for his part in Labour's massive failure he was a key player and his failed Brexit policy was the big reason they lost. He also looked the other way on Antisemitism.
I think he has a lot of ground to gain yet. I was impressed by his stance on letting Brexit pass and his later willingness to pass the deal. However his front bench are undermining this by reminding everyone they oppose Brexit. Fight for the right relationship with the EU but the in/out question is long over. Have you noticed Blair taking the same approach?
This was not media, it was about Labour forgetting a minority group of members won't get them into power if their views oppose the larger public. Although it's only right the leadership back the members or why should they pay? But that's the price of having those members. Starmer looks to be aiming at leaving the members behind, he knows he won't win without voters.
I can't see the Lib Dems being much of anything for some time. Labour can be a good opposition alone but they have work to do in Scotland where they are not really needed anymore due to devolution (oops).
MyNameIsTerry
22-01-21, 05:04
Thanks for the info, Pamplemousse. Yes Breitbart UK I'm aware of. Really? The Times? I wonder if they're like the WSJ? Which to me isn't what I'd call conservative. But I'll take a look.
Don't you think every administration tries to surround themselves with loyalists? I mean it kinda makes sense no?
Didn't Boris get the Brexit deal done?
Well, the opposition also have. May did before. S8nce politics is all cronyism why wouldn't they?
Time will tell on Brexit. I'm not sure, not had time to digest it all with things changing at home. What is interesting though is that even though it looks far from perfect the more hardline Brexit politicians are behind it e.g. Farage, ERG, people like Bill Cash (his constituency is near me, actually), etc.
Surprised you weren't given The Express. More Breirbart country I would have thought. I would agree with Pamplemousse that the BBC are a good middle, but there are bias problems, compared to the left leaning Guardian, Independent types and those mentioned above to the right.
Although you might appreciate left leaning Brits, N. The further left the more anti US sentiment so they will be sticking it to Biden soon enough over immigration, Middle East, etc. Protests against the US predate Trump :winks:
Terry! you are so right my man...it's only a matter of time till the left starts to hammer Uncle Joe. And they won't only be from the UK. Most will be here in the States. I'm just sittin back waiting for the show to start. I started a pool in work. The "How Long Will Joe Last Pool" $20 per square. The closest participant wins.
So let me ask you - how many political parties are there in GB? Here we basically have only two. Pulisa joked about me joining the Patriot Party but maybe we do need more parties. Many here call the Dems and the GOP the Uniparty now - I believe that is largely true.
Terry! you are so right my man...it's only a matter of time till the left starts to hammer Uncle Joe. And they won't only be from the UK. Most will be here in the States. I'm just sittin back waiting for the show to start. I started a pool in work. The "How Long Will Joe Last Pool" $20 per square. The closest participant wins.
So let me ask you - how many political parties are there in GB? Here we basically have only two. Pulisa joked about me joining the Patriot Party but maybe we do need more parties. Many here call the Dems and the GOP the Uniparty now - I believe that is largely true.
My G-d...there may be hope for you yet, N. Congrats on your rational thought! :yesyes:
My G-d...there may be hope for you yet, N. Congrats on your rational thought! :yesyes:
High praise indeed for us down in the cheap seats.
Hope springs eternal friend.
Do how long do you give Jobama?
I'm planning for the worst, hoping for the best, as usual.
Hey! I think I just said that!
Great minds!
Just read that Kenneth Branagh is going to play Boris Johnson in a 'gripping' drama about the COVID crisis? (apologies if this has already been mentioned)
Not entirely sure this is in the best of taste given that we're still in the middle of said crisis? :unsure:
However, the hairdresser not be required with Mr Branagh on this one!
"Just don't comb your hair when you wake up Mr Branagh. Be fine.":yesyes:
Or, they could use the Spitting Image 'Boris' wig? Cracks me up that does! :roflmao:
I think Trump should be in the movie too... I mean because of the hair!😁
Just read that Kenneth Branagh is going to play Boris Johnson in a 'gripping' drama about the COVID crisis? (apologies if this has already been mentioned)
Not entirely sure this is in the best of taste given that we're still in the middle of said crisis? :unsure:
However, the hairdresser not be required with Mr Branagh on this one!
"Just don't comb your hair when you wake up Mr Branagh. Be fine.":yesyes:
Or, they could use the Spitting Image 'Boris' wig? Cracks me up that does! :roflmao:
Just so long as Joe Wicks doesn't want a cameo...
MyNameIsTerry
26-01-21, 22:30
Terry! you are so right my man...it's only a matter of time till the left starts to hammer Uncle Joe. And they won't only be from the UK. Most will be here in the States. I'm just sittin back waiting for the show to start. I started a pool in work. The "How Long Will Joe Last Pool" $20 per square. The closest participant wins.
So let me ask you - how many political parties are there in GB? Here we basically have only two. Pulisa joked about me joining the Patriot Party but maybe we do need more parties. Many here call the Dems and the GOP the Uniparty now - I believe that is largely true.
It's really only Tory and Labour. Depends where you live though as the Lib Dems have stronger support in some places as do the Greens. Traditionally the midlands and north were Labour as they were the working class party (were). But in Scotland you have the dominant SNP nowadays and the Greens have more sway there. In Wales you have Plaid Cymru too but are a minority.
Northern Ireland I know less about. Without a Google though it's DUP and Sinn Fein. Both these came from the ashes of terrorism, DUP = unionist, Sinn Fein = republican. There are newer, more moderate, parties that are starting to eat away at these extremes (thankfully)
These regional parties only field candidates in the countries they are interested in e.g. SNP only field in Scotland as an independence party.
Until UKIP it was pretty much that. They fizzled straight out after the EU referendum but the 2 main parties failed so badly The Brexit Party came along to force them to honour the vote. They have now rebranded to the Reform Party but it's very early days. People voting for these tend to be p1ssed off with these parties being too moderate on the right (Tory) or too left leaning on issues such as immigration (Labour). Bare in mind those previously Labour who think they should be more left leaning don't gravitate to people like UKIP, there are minority far left parties for them, but the likes of Farage have attracted former communist party types on the issue of the EU (further left and right dislike the EU).
Otherwise the many other parties are all very small and may only be seen gaining the odd local seat along with independents.
MyNameIsTerry
26-01-21, 22:34
I think Trump should be in the movie too... I mean because of the hair!😁
But would that be 2 roles?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kxHd8JJ8hCU
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