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Saga demanding a vaccine before travel I want to know where I challenge this as my parents are going a cruise and my mum is worried about the vaccine 23 people in Norway died of Pfizer vaccine how can they legally force this on people?
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Saga demanding a vaccine before travel I want to know where I challenge this as my parents are going a cruise and my mum is worried about the vaccine 23 people in Norway died of Pfizer vaccine how can they legally force this on people?
By the time you’re offered a vaccine it’ll be the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine. There are only 4 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine available to UK citizens compared to 100 million doses of the Oxford/AstraZeneca available.
Why do I get the feeling you’re listening to anti vaxxer idiots far too often and you’re parroting their diatribe here in a very subtle way?
Pamplemousse
20-01-21, 11:53
By the time you’re offered a vaccine it’ll be the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine. There are only 4 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine available to UK citizens compared to 100 million doses of the Oxford/AstraZeneca available.
Why do I get the feeling you’re listening to anti vaxxer idiots far too often and you’re parroting their diatribe here in a very subtle way?
He mentioned YouTube and Talk Radio earlier - the latter was briefly banned by YouTube for its promotion of misleading information.
However... surely it's up to Phil's parents to decide whether or not they have a vaccine? Not him?
And if they don't like the conditions of carriage - find another provider.
Hey... at least it's not bins and toilet germs ;)
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Pamplemousse
20-01-21, 12:48
True, O King... :roflmao:
There's so much I could say here, but I won't because I don't want to get another snarky PM.
Onward into battle, brave Sir Phil!
Onward into battle, brave Sir Phil!
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Squishchips
20-01-21, 13:04
If you don't want the vaccine, that's your choice but travel providers are well within their rights to say no vaccine no travel. It keeps the other passengers safe.
If your parents want to go on the cruise, they'll get the vaccine simple as that. If they dont, they wont go on the cruise and go somewhere else instead.
By the time you’re offered a vaccine it’ll be the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine. There are only 4 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine available to UK citizens compared to 100 million doses of the Oxford/AstraZeneca available.
Why do I get the feeling you’re listening to anti vaxxer idiots far too often and you’re parroting their diatribe here in a very subtle way?
Yeah I mean Oxford is better I agree I mean I Duno if I have heard of too many issues maybe a few but not as much as the other one. Plus I’ve said I would consider oral one but I fear that won’t be offered to me.
I fear they want to go for 100% vaccination
If you don't want the vaccine, that's your choice but travel providers are well within their rights to say no vaccine no travel. It keeps the other passengers safe.
If your parents want to go on the cruise, they'll get the vaccine simple as that. If they dont, they wont go on the cruise and go somewhere else instead.
Yes but I can challenge this in the courts we don’t know as it’s never been tested yet
Squishchips
20-01-21, 13:07
Yes but I can challenge this in the courts we don’t know as it’s never been tested yet
Why would you do that? Just use another provider. It's a private company, they can do what they want.
If you dont want the vaccine (surely covid is much worse but thats beside the point), then dont get it and just go somewhere else on holiday.
It's a holiday at the end of the day, peoples lives have been completely torn apart by this virus and cruises are a complete breeding ground for covid.
ankietyjoe
20-01-21, 13:10
I want to know where I challenge this
I believe you're looking for cloud cuckoo land.
Get help.
Hey, he's gonna make some unscrupulous lawyer incredibly happy.
Pamplemousse
20-01-21, 13:16
I'm curious to how he'll fund this should he go ahead with it, unless he can crowd-fund it with similarly-minded people.
I'm curious to how he'll fund this should he go ahead with it, unless he can crowd-fund it with similarly-minded people.
I have enough thousands to legally test this in the courts.
Why would you do that? Just use another provider. It's a private company, they can do what they want.
If you dont want the vaccine (surely covid is much worse but thats beside the point), then dont get it and just go somewhere else on holiday.
It's a holiday at the end of the day, peoples lives have been completely torn apart by this virus and cruises are a complete breeding ground for covid.
Yep until they force it with every company that’s why challenge it now or they make it the rules everywhere
Yeah I mean Oxford is better I agree I mean I Duno if I have heard of too many issues maybe a few but not as much as the other one. Plus I’ve said I would consider oral one but I fear that won’t be offered to me.
I fear they want to go for 100% vaccination
I think we’ve heard a lot about what you “fear”, and not nearly enough about how you plan to address that fear, short of the landscape changing to suit you.
Right now, we have a vaccine administered via injection. If you can’t or won’t take it, well, you’re just going to have to accept that your lifestyle may change due to your decision.
Legal battles, courts, hoping and praying for an oral vaccine that may never come and even if it does it may not be offered to you. Expecting private companies to bend their rules to suit your personal convenience. One surely has to say that it would be more worthwhile trying to get over your fear of a bit of mild discomfort to avoid having all of that other drama.
Phil, I know I snark you a lot (for the record, I stand by that snark) but please speak to a trained mental health professional before you sink thousands of pounds in this? It's absolutely not worth leaving yourself destitute over, and this really is something that could happen.
Phil, I know I snark you a lot (for the record, I stand by that snark) but please speak to a trained mental health professional before you sink thousands of pounds in this? It's absolutely not worth leaving yourself destitute over, and this really is something that could happen.
But if I was banned from every aspect of life what have I got to lose? Surely I have to challenge this otherwise I am going to be injected against my will. Please understand I do support people getting a vaccine but I don’t want it and my mental health is struggling I spoke to a mental health nurse who said it should be my choice look at the facts and decide.
If you feel this is something you have to do, then so be it. You don't have to be injected, of course you don't, but you may have to accept the consequences of this.
...To clarify, I think you're being utterly ridiculous and a petulant child, but on the off-chance you do find a morally deficient lawyer to back you up on this, I wouldn't want to see you ruined.
Squishchips
20-01-21, 13:40
Yep until they force it with every company that’s why challenge it now or they make it the rules everywhere
Sorry but no - it's a waste of time and your money and quite frankly it's ridiculous.
Saga cater to the older generation - some of whom are very susceptible to covid (trust me when I tell you this) and quite frankly you being worried about a cruise and wanting some sort of legal battle is just a load of privileged nonsense.
You don't like it - use a different cruise carrier. If they all require a vaccine, get a vaccine or just do something else. It's a holiday fgs.
A legal battle to put people at risk over a holiday - read the room please.
Sorry if this seems rude, but as someone who has a family member fighting for their life because of covid, this has really made me annoyed. I dont know how old you or your parents are but come on now - a legal battle because they dont want a vaccine so they can go on some jolly?
You might as well get all your thousands of money and buy yourself a nice mask free vaccine free boat and they can sail around on that instead without risking anyone else's life.
My feet feel numb I feel panicky every night as I am terrified I will have to take this vaccine? It’s awful
If you feel this is something you have to do, then so be it. You don't have to be injected, of course you don't, but you may have to accept the consequences of this.
...To clarify, I think you're being utterly ridiculous and a petulant child, but on the off-chance you do find a morally deficient lawyer to back you up on this, I wouldn't want to see you ruined.
I know but I am scared what will happen to me if I refuse if I get this vaccine I will be extremely distressed as I would be with a TB jab?
Sucks, yes, but you're way better off working on the fear. That's the problem, not the vaccine.
Pamplemousse
20-01-21, 13:48
Has anyone ever said "no" to Phil in his life? Because that's how he's coming across to me.
There was a segment on the BBC lunchtime news from the ICU of a Scottish hospital. It was harrowing to watch.
Why would you do that? Just use another provider. It's a private company, they can do what they want.
If you dont want the vaccine (surely covid is much worse but thats beside the point), then dont get it and just go somewhere else on holiday.
It's a holiday at the end of the day, peoples lives have been completely torn apart by this virus and cruises are a complete breeding ground for covid.Squishchips, you're wasting your breath. Phil believes the planet revolves around him, that governments should make crucial decisions based around whatever mood Phil is in on any given day.
Squishchips
20-01-21, 14:07
Squishchips, you're wasting your breath. Phil believes the planet revolves around him, that governments should make crucial decisions based around whatever mood Phil is in on any given day.
Ah ok thank you - I think I just read this post on a bad day ��
Personally cant wait for the vaccine - I'll take all three please and I would never go on a chartered cruise that didn't have the vaccine rule in place considering what a Petri dish for viruses they are in the first place but that's just me I guess
spectrum123
20-01-21, 14:08
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Saga demanding a vaccine before travel I want to know where I challenge this as my parents are going a cruise and my mum is worried about the vaccine 23 people in Norway died of Pfizer vaccine how can they legally force this on people?
That would be the 23 who actually only 13 had the vaccine all of which were terminally ill, seriously ill, or very unstable, were over 80, and were advised by Pfizer not to vaccinate due to no data available for that age group and condition?
Sorry if this seems rude, but as someone who has a family member fighting for their life because of covid, this has really made me annoyed.I really am sorry to hear this Squishchips, you are in my thoughts :hugs:
I got a call back from saga there is some vaccine exemptions and they expect they can pull this off as its mostly older people who use them they don’t think say an easy jet can do it but we will see..
I'm very sorry too, Squishchips. I assume this is your mother-in-law? Probably best to stay off this thread x
I got a call back from saga there is some vaccine exemptions and they expect they can pull this off as its mostly older people who use them they don’t think say an easy jet can do it but we will see..
Why are holidays so important though? I would have thought you would hate the idea of your parents going on a cruise unprotected?
spectrum123
20-01-21, 14:29
I got a call back from saga there is some vaccine exemptions and they expect they can pull this off as its mostly older people who use them they don’t think say an easy jet can do it but we will see..
Will their travel insurance cover them should they fall ill with Covid? I would check that as well.
That would be the 23 who actually only 13 had the vaccine all of which were terminally ill, seriously ill, or very unstable, were over 80, and were advised by Pfizer not to vaccinate due to no data available for that age group and condition?
Oh come now, we can’t be letting facts and research get in the way of a good bit of whiny hysteria.
I have enough thousands to legally test this in the courts.
Phil, you are very vulnerable to unscrupulous lawyers who will make the most of your mental health issues and take you to the cleaners financially. Don't throw away your money. Do your research on reputable sites and take advice before you contact anyone.
Why are holidays so important though? I would have thought you would hate the idea of your parents going on a cruise unprotected?
Exactly. I still seriously can't fathom why many still continue to consider foreign holidays multiple times a year the most important thing ever in their lives despite this ongoing pandemic, and still keep fighting tooth and nail to get away to their beloved destinations, despite the risks.
Let's face it, I'm still really missing attending theatres, live music concerts and various other events/places, but I know full well they're still totally out of the question for the time being, yet foreign holidays are still strangely considered far more important to both the govt and the general public at large.
Exactly. I still seriously can't fathom why many still continue to consider foreign holidays multiple times a year the most important thing ever in their lives despite this ongoing pandemic, and still keep fighting tooth and nail to get away to their beloved destinations, despite the risks.
With a suitcase full of beauty products and this is all after arriving at the airport in a pointless tonka toy, pick up truck fashion car thing and indulging in a Costa coffee and muffin for twelve quid before boarding!
ankietyjoe
20-01-21, 16:31
The power of the unthinking minds habits should never be underestimated.
I did, therefore I will did again.
Phil, you are very vulnerable to unscrupulous lawyers who will make the most of your mental health issues and take you to the cleaners financially. Don't throw away your money. Do your research on reputable sites and take advice before you contact anyone.
Thank you well I have done it correctly went it Citizens advice first and somewhere which specialises in law. I obviously won’t be going any holidays this year but we need to challenge this lockdown. Once the at risk groups get the vaccine open back up. Locking down until June is bad for mental health and other illnesses that go dismissed. Somebody has to challenge these discriminatory rules a vaccine should be optional and it should always be that way. I read they are talking about jabbing every year in the news today well they can forget that.
nomorepanic
20-01-21, 17:24
Phil your attitude to this whole thing leaves me gobsmacked :ohmy:
Phil your attitude to this whole thing leaves me gobsmacked :ohmy:
The self absorbed narcissism is ridiculously apparent.
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Thank you well I have done it correctly went it Citizens advice first and somewhere which specialises in law. I obviously won’t be going any holidays this year but we need to challenge this lockdown. Once the at risk groups get the vaccine open back up. Locking down until June is bad for mental health and other illnesses that go dismissed. Somebody has to challenge these discriminatory rules a vaccine should be optional and it should always be that way. I read they are talking about jabbing every year in the news today well they can forget that.
Surely I haven't read anything on the BBC website today that explicitly states that Scotland shall remain in lockdown up until June, as they would typically be one of the first to confirm such plans.
I think the lockdown situation regardless of wherever we are in the UK still very much remains in the lap of the gods as to how long it's likely to last, but AFAIK they said the end of March at the very latest in law, at least in England anyway.
That "somebody" should not be you, Phil. Going to court is extremely challenging and you need to be mentally resilient to deal with all the procedures and arguments. Your routine would also be disrupted and you would have to fit in with other people's agendas and timetables. Your mental health and diagnosis would also be scrutinised and would leave you feeling very exposed and vulnerable. You would have to deal with all sorts of unpredictable stuff and the whole process would be lengthy if it even went to court in the first place.
That "somebody" should not be you, Phil. Going to court is extremely challenging and you need to be mentally resilient to deal with all the procedures and arguments. Your routine would also be disrupted and you would have to fit in with other people's agendas and timetables. Your mental health and diagnosis would also be scrutinised and would leave you feeling very exposed and vulnerable. You would have to deal with all sorts of unpredictable stuff and the whole process would be lengthy if it even went to court in the first place.
Although I don't usually like to meddle in other people's affairs, I do agree with a lot of what you're saying, especially as court cases for me would probably be even more traumatic and overwhelming than the original issues I might be attempting to resolve, let alone the likely endless rigmaroles to go through.
Personally I think this court case Phil is looking to pursue is a waste of time and not worth the potential aggro, especially if it fails to work out his desired way.
spectrum123
20-01-21, 18:22
Thank you well I have done it correctly went it Citizens advice first and somewhere which specialises in law. I obviously won’t be going any holidays this year but we need to challenge this lockdown. Once the at risk groups get the vaccine open back up. Locking down until June is bad for mental health and other illnesses that go dismissed. Somebody has to challenge these discriminatory rules a vaccine should be optional and it should always be that way. I read they are talking about jabbing every year in the news today well they can forget that.
They do that for 'normal' flu now, why wouldn't they for this more virulent version we have now if it's going to mutate?
Your court case will be pointless when countries make vaccination a stipulation, like those who require jabs against certain diseases and viruses at the current time. How much sway do you think a UK court ruling will have when sovereign countries bring in laws, no jab, no entry?
a vaccine should be optional and it should always be that way
Nothing about this thread surprises me, having been around here for a few years.
It IS optional Phil. It IS ENTIRELY OPTIONAL, but wasn't isn't optional is that you can then do whatever you want if you don't have it. The cruise company can have their own terms and conditions, and if they don't suit you, then you have to go elsewhere, or adapt YOUR choices.
spectrum123
20-01-21, 19:07
Looks like travel to EU countries could end up, no jab, no entry and no insurance cover.
https://www.itij.com/latest/news/travel-insurers-could-make-covid-19-vaccines-mandatory
glassgirlw
20-01-21, 19:19
The self absorbed narcissism is ridiculously apparent.
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Absolutely. It’s unbelievable.
Phil your attitude to this whole thing leaves me gobsmacked :ohmy:
I am shocked that I get trolled on here and the admin do nothing and despite the fact I try and explain my situation I am often forced to delete the post due to the abuse I get.
That "somebody" should not be you, Phil. Going to court is extremely challenging and you need to be mentally resilient to deal with all the procedures and arguments. Your routine would also be disrupted and you would have to fit in with other people's agendas and timetables. Your mental health and diagnosis would also be scrutinised and would leave you feeling very exposed and vulnerable. You would have to deal with all sorts of unpredictable stuff and the whole process would be lengthy if it even went to court in the first place.
Yes you make a fair point legal action would be stressful. That’s why I am going down every other avenue including human and disability rights aswell as citizens advice. I am sure these rules will be means tested in the courts by someone.
WHy can't your parents just request that they don't have the Pfizer vaccine ? (I thought it was about run out in the UK anyway) Surely they want to be protected on a cruise and if everyone refused the vaccine then it would be a floating hotspot of covid activity.
According to the Norwegian Medicines Agency, as of 14 January there had been 23 deaths “associated with” getting a Pfizer Covid-19 vaccination, of which 13 had been assessed so far.
The agency’s chief physician, Sigurd Hortemo, added that “common adverse reactions to mRNA vaccines, such as fever and nausea, may have contributed to a fatal outcome in some frail patients”.
The agency added that because the country is vaccinating the elderly and those in nursing homes with serious underlying issues, it is expected that deaths close to the time of vaccination may occur. Elderly or not, a certain number of people in a population getting vaccinated would be expected to die by chance in that period, and this doesn’t necessarily mean that the vaccine caused these deaths.
By comparison, 400 people on average die in Norwegian nursing homes and long-term care facilities per week. But because these 23 deaths were close to vaccination they are being fully assessed.
We asked the Norwegian Medicines Agency what the most up to date figure was, and it told us that as of 17 January, it had received 33 suspected adverse drug reaction reports with fatal outcomes. It added that: “Adverse reactions are reported on suspicion and the reports describe events that have occurred after vaccination. Even though an event has been reported, this does not necessarily imply that a causal relationship has been established between the event and the vaccines.”
The Norwegian Institute of Public health has now advised that for frail or terminally ill patients, an evaluation should take place as to whether the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks of potential adverse reactions.
These were very frail or terminally ill people, which if your parents are planning a cruise means I shouldn't think they are either.
WHy can't your parents just request that they don't have the Pfizer vaccine ? (I thought it was about run out in the UK anyway) Surely they want to be protected on a cruise and if everyone refused the vaccine then it would be a floating hotspot of covid activity.
These were very frail or terminally ill people, which if your parents are planning a cruise means I shouldn't think they are either.
I know my dad wants the Oxford one but I can’t really speak for them. I believe a major firm is already legally challenging Saga as it breaks the law in a 2010 rule seemingly. I watch with interest.
Squishchips
20-01-21, 21:58
Thank you Fishman and Pulisa, appreciate your thoughts :hugs:
Phil - I dont think you want to hear an alternative view to your own so I'll bow out on this one :)
nomorepanic
20-01-21, 22:03
I am shocked that I get trolled on here and the admin do nothing and despite the fact I try and explain my situation I am often forced to delete the post due to the abuse I get.
What abuse?
It is your way or no other way phil and you will not let anyone challenge you.
You are quite passive aggressive in your manner
Spectrum made a very interesting observation -
How much sway do you think a UK court ruling will have when sovereign countries bring in laws, no jab, no entry?
Many countries may require evidence of vaccination before entry. E.g. Yellow fever vaccine proof. So, without having the vaccine, holidays abroad may not be able to happen. Its a possibility.
What abuse?
It is your way or no other way phil and you will not let anyone challenge you.
You are quite passive aggressive in your manner
I wouldn’t say so but these issues need challenging sure people can disagree that’s totally fine but people being “glad” if I leave the forum or disrespecting my hidden disability about mask wearing isn’t very fair. Do you realise these forums have affected my mental health over the months and I have members who agree with me as they have mailed me to say.
Spectrum made a very interesting observation -
Many countries may require evidence of vaccination before entry. E.g. Yellow fever vaccine proof. So, without having the vaccine, holidays abroad may not be able to happen. Its a possibility.
Yes possible but surely implementing this EU wide across all countries would be a challenge. EU has open borders are they going to stop this and bring back order checks to stop say someone unvaccinated from Holland going to France?
nomorepanic
20-01-21, 22:13
and yet you are sending PM's to members having a go at them as well so that is ok is it?
Send me the PM's please so I can have a read.
Yes possible but surely implementing this EU wide across all countries would be a challenge. EU has open borders are they going to stop this and bring back order checks to stop say someone unvaccinated from Holland going to France?
Two words here Phil - U.K.......Brexit. (and we live in the UK) I wasn't just thinking about the EU anyway, but further afield.
and yet you are sending PM's to members having a go at them as well so that is ok is it?
Send me the PM's please so I can have a read.
No I wouldn’t say so I have emailed them to chat as I don’t feel comfortable to do so on the forum as I mentioned I have been sworn at ect. I actually did message one member to say I felt they were trolling me but that’s all. I feel it’s better to speak out.
Two words here Phil - U.K.......Brexit. (and we live in the UK) I wasn't just thinking about the EU anyway, but further afield.
Well I use to think Brexit was a good idea but I voted to remain in the end. Seems to have calmed down a little now but still heard of issues at the borders.
nomorepanic
20-01-21, 22:21
ok well you do what you need to do Phil
Thanks but do you feel it’s ok for me to be hounded out the forum and told to leave or sworn at by certain members? Do you accept this affects my mental health?
nomorepanic
20-01-21, 22:36
You are not being hounded out of the forum but you do need to ask yourself why you were banned from other forums?
You are not being hounded out of the forum but you do need to ask yourself why you were banned from other forums?
Ive not been banned from any perhaps you mean the ocd one I left that site a few years back but later rejoined.
Sorry I couldn’t see the post about me saying that. However just don’t expect to be sworn at on a forum as I wouldn’t do that to other members.
nomorepanic
20-01-21, 22:57
why didn't you report the post so we could look into it?
why didn't you report the post so we could look into it?
Just I raised an issue before in the contact section on the forum and was dismissed so wasn’t sure u could do much.
I haven't seen any swearing.
Can I just say I actually don’t believe any of this and I genuinely believe you’re posting all of this stuff with the sole intent of just aimlessly complaining?
Just my opinion, obviously.
I haven't seen any swearing.
Yes I deleted the post the poster in question managed to blank it out with ** but I got what they meant with the first letter
MyNameIsTerry
21-01-21, 01:43
Phil, you are very vulnerable to unscrupulous lawyers who will make the most of your mental health issues and take you to the cleaners financially. Don't throw away your money. Do your research on reputable sites and take advice before you contact anyone.
^ this. Candy from a baby.
You asked what is there to lose as your life won't be worth living. On another thread you talked about selling your house to challenge another point. What else could you lose? How about your wife? I don't know your marriage but what you are attempting to do is hang a huge on both of you. If not debt she may own part of that house. Does she agree to this?
As to whether there solicitors willing to take it? I don't doubts it. In recent years we saw anti Brexit cases that never stood a chance and were all but laughed out of court. The solicitors must have known if we did. Kerching!
MyNameIsTerry
21-01-21, 01:45
I'm very sorry too, Squishchips. I assume this is your mother-in-law? Probably best to stay off this thread x
Same from me. I hope things improve for you all soon :hugs:
MyNameIsTerry
21-01-21, 02:02
Spectrum made a very interesting observation -
Many countries may require evidence of vaccination before entry. E.g. Yellow fever vaccine proof. So, without having the vaccine, holidays abroad may not be able to happen. Its a possibility.
Exactly. UK courts can do nothing when Saga have to adhere to the laws of other nations.
If not someone could challenge rabies regs, win and spread it everywhere.
Phil - anyone telling you Saga t&cs being changed based on a UK ruling impacting outside UK jurisdiction is incompetent. Saga can just update to add 'in adherence to local laws' in legal speak and you are beaten. Remember, they have to abide by the laws of the nation's they visit.
MyNameIsTerry
21-01-21, 02:08
Yes possible but surely implementing this EU wide across all countries would be a challenge. EU has open borders are they going to stop this and bring back order checks to stop say someone unvaccinated from Holland going to France?
EU isn't Europe. They also have the ability to override EU law, which is NOT international law despite what many say in the media, under certain circumstances as several exercised at the early stages by overruling FOM.
EU doesn't have open borders unless you are in Schengen. You won't be (the UK weren't anyway, FOM gave you that privilege) now anyway as even under FOM as we are not in the EEA either. You could try Scottish independence and into the EU but I wouldn't bet your savings on that one despite what Queen Nicola keeps telling everyone...
MyNameIsTerry
21-01-21, 02:10
and yet you are sending PM's to members having a go at them as well so that is ok is it?
Send me the PM's please so I can have a read.
Nic,
Shouldn't this be kept off the Forum? Unless we see it how can we decide who is right?
But if I was banned from every aspect of life what have I got to lose? Surely I have to challenge this otherwise I am going to be injected against my will. Please understand I do support people getting a vaccine but I don’t want it and my mental health is struggling I spoke to a mental health nurse who said it should be my choice look at the facts and decide.
How does your wife feel about you potentially sinking thousands of pounds into this? Personally, I'd be working out where's best to hide your body right now. :huh:
Re the vaccine deaths..
The people who died were very frail and in care homes. I'm guessing that your parents do not fit that bill if they are trying to go on a cruise?
I have enough thousands to legally test this in the courts.
Phil. you've just told an internet forum that you have "thousands" in the bank to fund your potential court case. Be very wary of what you say to any legal firm you consult. Yes you do have a hidden disability but this will be exploited for all it's worth and will leave you financially ruined and mentally wrecked.
I know that you need to get your routine back and having to comply with new rules makes you absolutely furious and desperate to the extent that you will throw substantial money at the issue in order to make it go away ...but I doubt whether you will have the outcome you need.
spectrum123
21-01-21, 09:08
Considering the issues with cruise ships ending up as isolation units when covid ripped through them at the start of the pandemic. Ships being stuck in ports with passengers unable to get off. Ships not being allowed into ports to prevent spread. Saga also catering for the most at risk group, they owe a duty of care to those boarding, I would think they would be well within their legal rights to stop someone who objects to the vaccine on personal grounds. It's a duty of care issue.
Exactly, Spectrum. The literal definition of a disability is something that prevents a person being able to do everything non-disabled people do. Phil, guess what - sometimes that includes the fun stuff as well as the stuff you don't want to do. You may have to get used to the fact that your disability prevents you travelling.
From telegraph
“Writing for Telegraph Travel yesterday (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/comment/immunity-passports-fraught-difficulty-coercion-medical-procedure/), the CEO of Doctorcall, Dr Charles Levinson, said: “How we balance the risk in terms of immunity passports is a question for the politicians. It’s fraught with difficulties and using any form of coercion for a medical procedure is deeply questionable”
Another good point is
“Once countries begin insisting on proof of Covid immunity from arriving travellers [as the Seychelles has done], there will be little option but to embrace the challenge. “We all long for travel to return to normal. But entry requirements will remain as long as countries feel insecure, perhaps until most people have been vaccinated worldwide. Social distancing, sanitisers, face masks on flights, delays, red tape, and last-minute changes of plan, will stay a fact of travel until then”
This sounds like it won’t be forever but short term whilst Covid is still a thing maybe people agree or disagree on that?
Yes I deleted the post the poster in question managed to blank it out with ** but I got what they meant with the first letter
Can you delete other people's posts?
Can you delete other people's posts?
No I just removed the topic instead as someone swore at me.
Not sure if that was meant to have been me who swore at Phil. For the record, I didn't, but I did use a phrase he didn't understand.
I am planning on going to a health food store to get a allergies test does anybody know how they work and can you suffer a reaction to stuff they test you with? I am also in touch with my psychiatrist to see if there is anything they can do about medical exemptions as I say the vaccine would cause me extreme distress. I called consumer rights and they think other companies will make these rules too. Problem is it’s quite early at the moment and rules change all the time.
You do know that most allergy tests involve scratching your skin with a needle, Phil?
This is the time, if ever there was Phil, of community, society, thinking of and caring for each other. This must be a time of thinking of others, of empathy. Instead of your allergy tests, why not go and do some shopping for an old lonely isolated person ?
No I just removed the topic instead as someone swore at me.
Or, like Blue says - you were mistaken?
Also, I have had non-swear words censored before now because the censor picks up (unintentional) swears within the words.
Just something for you to keep in mind...
You do know that most allergy tests involve scratching your skin with a needle, Phil?
Everything involves a needle these days same with those tests to see if you ever had covid in the past. Perhaps they will find better ways to check?
Or, like Blue says - you were mistaken?
Also, I have had non-swear words censored before now because the censor picks up (unintentional) swears within the words.
Just something for you to keep in mind...
No I think it had something like arrogant self centred f*** or c*** was something like that. Defo not mistaken. Apologies as I deleted it I can’t remember the exact post.
I am planning on going to a health food store to get a allergies test does anybody know how they work and can you suffer a reaction to stuff they test you with?
Don't waste your money.
They usually test a strand of your hair (by sending if off to a 'lab') and it's not accurate.
It costs best part of £100 (maybe more?) and somebody researching this used three different 'labs' and the results were different every time.
Don't waste your money.
They usually test a strand of your hair (by sending if off to a 'lab') and it's not accurate.
It costs best part of £100 (maybe more?) and somebody researching this used three different 'labs' and the results were different every time.
Cool so what’s the best way to find out your allergies?
glassgirlw
21-01-21, 11:12
Cool so what’s the best way to find out your allergies?
They poke your skin in several places with a small needle and then expose those poked areas to various substances to see if there is a reaction like redness or itching. I know this because I’ve had allergy testing myself.
No I think it had something like arrogant self centred f*** or c*** was something like that. Defo not mistaken. Apologies as I deleted it I can’t remember the exact post.
With respect Phil, unless you can back this claim up with proof, then there's not much point in talking about it. If it bothered you this much, you should have reported it at the time. As it is, the moment you deleted it - that was the end of it. Try and let it go.
Pamplemousse
21-01-21, 11:15
Or, like Blue says - you were mistaken?
Also, I have had non-swear words censored before now because the censor picks up (unintentional) swears within the words.
Just something for you to keep in mind...
Anybody live in S****horpe?
(at one time there was talk of changing it to Sconethorpe)
spectrum123
21-01-21, 11:16
I am planning on going to a health food store to get a allergies test does anybody know how they work and can you suffer a reaction to stuff they test you with? I am also in touch with my psychiatrist to see if there is anything they can do about medical exemptions as I say the vaccine would cause me extreme distress. I called consumer rights and they think other companies will make these rules too. Problem is it’s quite early at the moment and rules change all the time.
Your next problem will then be travel insurance. If you visit a country that may in the future require a covid vaccine for entry, then if you fall ill with Covid they will want to bill your insurance for medical care, the insurance company will want to pass on this potential cost in your premium if they will even insure you.
With respect Phil, unless you can back this claim up with proof, then there's not much point in talking about it. If it bothered you this much, you should have reported it at the time. As it is, the moment you deleted it - that was the end of it. Try and let it go.
Yes I will let it go but I just wanted to answer the question someone asked.
Cool so what’s the best way to find out your allergies?
My GP sent me to the allergy clinic. They pricked my skin and I am allergic to grass (which I knew) beech (didn't know) and mould - which might explain my issues sleeping next to a damp wall.
What are you hoping to gain by being allergy tested? Is this to do with this vaccine?
Your next problem will then be travel insurance. If you visit a country that may in the future require a covid vaccine for entry, then if you fall ill with Covid they will want to bill your insurance for medical care, the insurance company will want to pass on this potential cost in your premium if they will even insure you.
Well let’s be honest travel is impossible at he moment I think it’s going to be this way for some time. Lots of questions and no answers. I wish I had a time machine as I would go back in time as the future is a bleak place.
Anybody live in S****horpe?
(at one time there was talk of changing it to Sconethorpe)
Perfect example PM! :yesyes:
Pamplemousse
21-01-21, 11:19
With respect Phil, unless you can back this claim up with proof, then there's not much point in talking about it. If it bothered you this much, you should have reported it at the time. As it is, the moment you deleted it - that was the end of it. Try and let it go.
"Post pics or it never happened" as they used to say.
My GP sent me to the allergy clinic. They pricked my skin and I am allergic to grass (which I knew) beech (didn't know) and mould - which might explain my issues sleeping next to a damp wall.
What are you hoping to gain by being allergy tested? Is this to do with this vaccine?
Yes that’s what it is. Like I say I favour an oral vaccine however like these saliva tests all this seems pie in the sky and might never happen. Sure it’s in development but my worry is these pharmacy companies may prefer a jab.
"Post pics or it never happened" as they used to say.
Who knows maybe admin can view deleted posts I have no idea about the forum software.
WiredIncorrectly
21-01-21, 11:23
Who knows maybe admin can view deleted posts I have no idea about the forum software.
Once a post is permanently deleted it's gone. This forum uses the vBulletin software. There are other ways as the page might have been cached by waybackmachine.com (http://waybackmachine.com) :)
glassgirlw
21-01-21, 11:28
Yes that’s what it is. Like I say I favour an oral vaccine however like these saliva tests all this seems pie in the sky and might never happen. Sure it’s in development but my worry is these pharmacy companies may prefer a jab.
I don’t know if this will help you or not, so I may be wasting my “breath” here. But the people who have had a reaction to the vaccine are people that have previously suffered a reaction in the past that is so severe that they carry an epi pen with them at all times. I’m assuming that’s not you. You’ve had vaccinations before I’m assuming? As a child you must have had the necessary vaccines to keep you healthy and prevent severe diseases. Like MMR, measles, etc. Ever have a severe reaction to those? If not, there’s zero need for allergy testing as a minor food/grass/environmental allergy will have absolutely no effect on the likelihood of a reaction with this vaccine. Truly, it would be a waste of your money to have this testing.
I don’t know if this will help you or not, so I may be wasting my “breath” here. But the people who have had a reaction to the vaccine are people that have previously suffered a reaction in the past that is so severe that they carry an epi pen with them at all times. I’m assuming that’s not you. You’ve had vaccinations before I’m assuming? As a child you must have had the necessary vaccines to keep you healthy and prevent severe diseases. Like MMR, measles, etc. Ever have a severe reaction to those? If not, there’s zero need for allergy testing as a minor food/grass/environmental allergy will have absolutely no effect on the likelihood of a reaction with this vaccine. Truly, it would be a waste of your money to have this testing.
Thanks I missed these vaccines so I am not sure I mean I think I was offered and I went into hiding.
glassgirlw
21-01-21, 11:43
Thanks I missed these vaccines so I am not sure I mean I think I was offered and I went into hiding.
You would have been less than a year old. Or at the very least, just about to start schooling around age 5-6. I doubt very much you went into hiding lol.
You would have been less than a year old. Or at the very least, just about to start schooling around age 5-6. I doubt very much you went into hiding lol.
I missed one in primary school and the Tb one in secondly school no idea about any other ones. I am meant to get blood tests every six months with the meds I am on but I avoid that too..:blush:
Where I stand on it is if they vaccine people and covid goes away and it’s very low levels I may not get it but if covid was still rife and a massive risk I would possibly have to find a solution maybe oral vaccine or by that time a vaccine that required one dose. I read yearly vaccines that I couldn’t manage.
I do worry about the future a lot to be honest we had swine flu 2010, covid 2020 I fear 2030 and 2040 too as these things seem to come round every now and again.
Pamplemousse
21-01-21, 11:53
Once a post is permanently deleted it's gone. This forum uses the vBulletin software. There are other ways as the page might have been cached by waybackmachine.com (http://waybackmachine.com) :)
Are we talking posts or PMs here though? If it's a PM waybackmachine definitely won't have a record and I could imagine a deleted post is just that - deleted. Saves server and database space. I don't know how frequently waybackmachine archives this site, neither do I know how frequently this site is backed up in case of data loss (which reminds me, I really should back up this laptop...)
Pamplemousse
21-01-21, 11:55
I missed one in primary school and the Tb one in secondly school no idea about any other ones. I am meant to get blood tests every six months with the meds I am on but I avoid that too..:blush:
So those meds could be doing you silent damage and yet you choose to ignore it.
WiredIncorrectly
21-01-21, 12:04
Are we talking posts or PMs here though? If it's a PM waybackmachine definitely won't have a record and I could imagine a deleted post is just that - deleted. Saves server and database space. I don't know how frequently waybackmachine archives this site, neither do I know how frequently this site is backed up in case of data loss (which reminds me, I really should back up this laptop...)
PM's defo won't be cached, I'm not too sure if those are deleted permanently as I haven't used vBulletin in a while. But with privacy laws ect they may be perm. deleted. It may be in the TOS on this site, I haven't checked. Waybackmachine can be a bit useless sometimes. There was a website that you could send a link to and it would archive that page on the spot and give you an archive URL. Doesn't seem to exist anymore. I don't know if waybackmachine respects the robots.txt file either. It may do.
Talking of data, just imagine how many servers Google, Microsoft and Facebook have to archive data. Even their access.log would require a server size way beyond my budget. :roflmao:
So those meds could be doing you silent damage and yet you choose to ignore it.
I have been on the meds back in 2005 and went off them for ten years then back on them but when I got tested before it was fine but I don’t get tested regular so hopefully they are not doing damage. I hope to come off the beta blockers eventually anyway.
Are you still prescribed risperidone? If you are it should be being monitored regularly. You say you don't want stuff injected into your body but you take this med without wondering why you need to have regular blood tests?
WiredIncorrectly
21-01-21, 13:14
Are you still prescribed risperidone? If you are it should be being monitored regularly. You say you don't want stuff injected into your body but you take this med without wondering why you need to have regular blood tests?
That's the same as my son. He's on ADHD medications and has to have regular heart tests and blood tests. I'm sure you've probably experienced similar :)
When you look at it like that it makes you think. I'm on medications that will no doubt do me harm in the future. They might not, but they also might. This type of thinking is what helped me come around to the vaccine. By the time my age range gets it a large percentage of the population will already be vaccinated and documented anyway.
spectrum123
21-01-21, 13:34
That's the same as my son. He's on ADHD medications and has to have regular heart tests and blood tests. I'm sure you've probably experienced similar :)
When you look at it like that it makes you think. I'm on medications that will no doubt do me harm in the future. They might not, but they also might. This type of thinking is what helped me come around to the vaccine. By the time my age range gets it a large percentage of the population will already be vaccinated and documented anyway.
There's also quite a big difference between medication treatment and a vaccine. Medication tends to quite fundamentally alter your body chemistry with blocking and stimulating vast ranges of chemical responses. Vaccines tend to be quite benign, they only trigger a standard natural response that the body does on a daily basis using in most cases a tiny inert part of the problem particle.
WiredIncorrectly
21-01-21, 13:46
There's also quite a big difference between medication treatment and a vaccine. Medication tends to quite fundamentally alter your body chemistry with blocking and stimulating vast ranges of chemical responses. Vaccines tend to be quite benign, they only trigger a standard natural response that the body does on a daily basis using in most cases a tiny inert part of the problem particle.
Of course. But what I was trying to say was my own previous fears over the vaccine were as irrational as fearing over the potential damage my current medications could cause. And like I say it does help quash my fears that by the time I am available for the vaccine it would have been well documented.
There's also quite a big difference between medication treatment and a vaccine. Medication tends to quite fundamentally alter your body chemistry with blocking and stimulating vast ranges of chemical responses. Vaccines tend to be quite benign, they only trigger a standard natural response that the body does on a daily basis using in most cases a tiny inert part of the problem particle.
Great words ! Vaccines are benign and using the bodys natural functions to ensure you are 'safer'.
No I think it had something like arrogant self centred f*** or c*** was something like that. Defo not mistaken.
Definitely not PC but accurate nonetheless :shades: The narcissistic behavior and tendencies in your posts are quite evident.
Sorry, as I stated, I wear a mask 8+ hours a day. My wife and I follow the guidelines and we do our best to weather the storm. I have real health issues and need to protect myself and it's just common courtesy want to protect others. My job, regardless of any law, requires me to wear one. If I don't want to, I stay home. If I have a medical condition that prevents me from wearing one, I take unpaid leave.
Everyone across the globe is dealing with this pandemic. Many, including myself, have lost family members and friends or know someone who has. Heck, I want the vaccine for my wife and I ASAP but we're not in the category that can currently get them and besides, we're finding out the previous administration totally farked up the roll out and production (no surprise). Your concerns, while relevant to you, are not going to garner sympathy or understanding here or anywhere else and I wouldn't expect them to. Perhaps it would be prudent to think about that before posting.
FMP
Narcissists aren't bullied though.
From Twitter
“Just left zoom meeting with Israeli Health Minister.
Very interested to hear that Israel is not vaccinating people who have had Covid.
He said there’s no point as they have immunity. Makes sense - saves time and cost of wasted vaccines.
Why aren’t we doing the same here?”
wonder what happens with Saga and vaccine passports if we do this here?
You have absolutely no control over what Saga choose to do. End of story.
From Twitter
“Just left zoom meeting with Israeli Health Minister.
Very interested to hear that Israel is not vaccinating people who have had Covid.
He said there’s no point as they have immunity. Makes sense - saves time and cost of wasted vaccines.
Why aren’t we doing the same here?”
wonder what happens with Saga and vaccine passports if we do this here?
I tend to agree actually. A recent study suggested that past infection gives an immunity of around 83%, this lasts for at least 5 months and quite possibly longer.
Confirmed cases should at the very most be given one dose, there’s little point in wasting hundreds of thousands of life saving vaccines on people who are most likely immune anyway. Exceptions could be made for those with a compromised immune system, but for those of a certain age and fitness level, I honestly think that’s a complete waste.
WiredIncorrectly
21-01-21, 18:48
I tend to agree actually. A recent study suggested that past infection gives an immunity of around 83%, this lasts for at least 5 months and quite possibly longer.
You should reference such studies :p https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n124/rr-0
5 months, isn't that long though, really.
5 months, isn't that long though, really.
They only have 5 months of data so can’t really say that it lasts longer until that time has passed.
Logically, there’s no real reason why any vaccine induced immunity should last longer than naturally acquired immunity. It’s the same as everything with this virus, though, it’s so new we just haven’t had the time to get to know it as well as we need to.
You should reference such studies :p https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n124/rr-0
Good point to be fair, linking these articles gives folk a better source of info.
Are you still prescribed risperidone? If you are it should be being monitored regularly. You say you don't want stuff injected into your body but you take this med without wondering why you need to have regular blood tests?Oh crikey I was prescribed risperidone in 2013, it knocked me out.
Narcissists aren't bullied though.
Actually they are. Narcissism is on a scale or spectrum, like autism. A number 10, the most extreme example, would be someone like Trump or Ted Bundy. But there are lots of people with NPD that aren't evil people, they just have a hard time empathizing and are self-absorbed. The narcissism often covers up severe insecurities and many of them have a history of both being bullied and bullying themselves.
I often think it must be hard for a psychiatrist to differentiate between MH diagnoses when a lot of conditions overlap and spectrums are so wide ranging. i suppose it depends on the psychiatrist's specialty as to which diagnosis is meted out!
True. I didn't learn about it till the ex got diagnosed with it!
True. I didn't learn about it till the ex got diagnosed with it!
Blimey...That must have been an awful time for you.
glassgirlw
21-01-21, 21:50
I tend to agree actually. A recent study suggested that past infection gives an immunity of around 83%, this lasts for at least 5 months and quite possibly longer.
Confirmed cases should at the very most be given one dose, there’s little point in wasting hundreds of thousands of life saving vaccines on people who are most likely immune anyway. Exceptions could be made for those with a compromised immune system, but for those of a certain age and fitness level, I honestly think that’s a complete waste.
They’re saying something similar where I’m at as well. Although they’re only saying if you’ve had confirmed Covid within the last three months, that it would not hurt anything to let others be vaccinated first before you get yours. Not that it will hurt you to get vaccinated, but that as doses are short right now, left someone with no immunity get one first.
Blimey...That must have been an awful time for you.
I had suspicions, but like you I thought all people with NPD were the Trump type or I thought it was his ADHD causing the issues. Turns out it was both. When he didn’t want to deal with his issues anymore, I couldn’t deal with him.
WiredIncorrectly
22-01-21, 00:47
Is it fair that narcists get a bad wrap? It's an incurable personality disorder. I don't like the stigma attached to a narcist. It makes it very difficult for the narcist to discuss their personality disorder openly. The common misconception is all narcissists are at the top end of the scale, and they are unaware of what they're doing, and unable to see themselves to change. That isn't the case at all.
If one knows and accepts they're a narcist, one can study the condition enough to know how ones disorder can affect others. Exactly the same way as those with high functioning autism can. One can't get rid of the way they think, but they can learn how damaging some behaviors may be to avoid them.
MyNameIsTerry
22-01-21, 02:09
I don’t know if this will help you or not, so I may be wasting my “breath” here. But the people who have had a reaction to the vaccine are people that have previously suffered a reaction in the past that is so severe that they carry an epi pen with them at all times. I’m assuming that’s not you. You’ve had vaccinations before I’m assuming? As a child you must have had the necessary vaccines to keep you healthy and prevent severe diseases. Like MMR, measles, etc. Ever have a severe reaction to those? If not, there’s zero need for allergy testing as a minor food/grass/environmental allergy will have absolutely no effect on the likelihood of a reaction with this vaccine. Truly, it would be a waste of your money to have this testing.
My GF has to have a certain version of the flu vaccine due to an egg allergy. Like you imply, good chance phil would know as he's into his thirties now.
MyNameIsTerry
22-01-21, 02:09
Once a post is permanently deleted it's gone. This forum uses the vBulletin software. There are other ways as the page might have been cached by waybackmachine.com (http://waybackmachine.com) :)
Then can also undelete threads as they have in the past.
MyNameIsTerry
22-01-21, 02:25
Is it fair that narcists get a bad wrap? It's an incurable personality disorder. I don't like the stigma attached to a narcist. It makes it very difficult for the narcist to discuss their personality disorder openly. The common misconception is all narcissists are at the top end of the scale, and they are unaware of what they're doing, and unable to see themselves to change. That isn't the case at all.
If one knows and accepts they're a narcist, one can study the condition enough to know how ones disorder can affect others. Exactly the same way as those with high functioning autism can. One can't get rid of the way they think, but they can learn how damaging some behaviors may be to avoid them.
An interesting point, James. Narcissists will automatically be biased against as they impact on others. BPD will often get a bad wrap because their extreme problems overlap onto others.
So it's not black & white. If we think it is then aren't we making assumptions? Hence the scale. Trying to understand is an important stage of understanding why people do things so we try to rehabilitate. Otherwise it's back to the days of very severe punishment.
Some groups have victims. Victims should matter. So it's very hard when you have people created by their environment and they have victims. Imagine the things many asylum seekers have seen? Or done?
I don't think comparisons between people like Trump and Bundy are comparable. I also dislike the current comparisons in our time between Hitler and right wing leaders. They are simple not on the same scale.
Is it fair that narcists get a bad wrap? It's an incurable personality disorder. I don't like the stigma attached to a narcist. It makes it very difficult for the narcist to discuss their personality disorder openly. The common misconception is all narcissists are at the top end of the scale, and they are unaware of what they're doing, and unable to see themselves to change. That isn't the case at all.
If one knows and accepts they're a narcist, one can study the condition enough to know how ones disorder can affect others. Exactly the same way as those with high functioning autism can. One can't get rid of the way they think, but they can learn how damaging some behaviors may be to avoid them.
Thats what I was saying James...when my ex dealt with his PD, he was fine. When he stopped, he was not. There are really inherently no “good” or “bad” people. We all have our strengths and weaknesses; it’s how we deal or don’t deal with them or how we use them that are key.
I think the thing to realize in cases like Hitler, Trump and Bundy is that we, our society, helped them be very far on that end of the scale. There are several books written about all of them that show the right particular set of psychological, sociological and environmental circumstances shaped hem into what they became. Those alignments don’t happen on a regular basis so thank goodness we won’t see people like that often...but because their actions were so heinous, they are examples everyone knows.
MyNameIsTerry
22-01-21, 05:30
I think the thing to realize in cases like Hitler, Trump and Bundy is that we, our society, helped them be very far on that end of the scale. There are several books written about all of them that show the right particular set of psychological, sociological and environmental circumstances shaped hem into what they became. Those alignments don’t happen on a regular basis so thank goodness we won’t see people like that often...but because their actions were so heinous, they are examples everyone knows.
My point is probably more aimed at opposing political groups branding people into a very select group of despots. It's a common trick to label their voters as voting for evil people. I find it lazy in this context and more about shutdown culture than characteristics.
MyNameIsTerry
22-01-21, 05:32
Thats what I was saying James...when my ex dealt with his PD, he was fine. When he stopped, he was not. There are really inherently no “good” or “bad” people. We all have our strengths and weaknesses; it’s how we deal or don’t deal with them or how we use them that are key.
Reading the concepts of good & bad psychopath is interesting. Killing someone is still killing and legalizing that can be a matter of who's side you are on. The soldier still has to deal with the emotions of it. The politician pulls the trigger on paper.
There's also quite a big difference between medication treatment and a vaccine. Medication tends to quite fundamentally alter your body chemistry with blocking and stimulating vast ranges of chemical responses. Vaccines tend to be quite benign, they only trigger a standard natural response that the body does on a daily basis using in most cases a tiny inert part of the problem particle.
That's good to know. I have chemical sensitivity - most likely due to my fibromyalgia - and I have been concerned about having a reaction as I do with most meds, so thanks for this!
Is it fair that narcists get a bad wrap? It's an incurable personality disorder. I don't like the stigma attached to a narcist.
James, you might feel differently if you were on the receiving end of narcissistic abuse..
WiredIncorrectly
22-01-21, 12:38
James, you might feel differently if you were on the receiving end of narcissistic abuse..
Possibly yes.
Are a narcissists actions intentionally hurtful and damaging? I've been called one by an ex, and my wifes mom, but I bloody hope I'm not. Makes you certainly look in the mirror. And I've asked myself before "If I am displaying these behaviors, then how do I stop?". Which probably makes me not one because a narcissist wouldn't be aware.
It would be wrong to date somebody with sever depression because they'd be hard to deal with. The same as it's probably just as wrong to date somebody with narcissism. The problem is, you don't know who is or isn't until after you've fallen in love.
What are some behaviors in a narcissistic relationship?
Must admit I am sickened to see China back to normal partying in nights clubs only a temp check to get entry whilst here they want to ban people quarantine people at hotels make vaccine passports and drag this on. I mean how quick did they get this under control vs the west? And why is every western leader saying “Build back better” defo goes into the conspiracy theory ideas doesn’t it?
https://twitter.com/ajmk39/status/1351952941041725442?s=21
If everybody’s could please watch this
Why would we want to?
Because Phil's such a friendly and helpful forum member?
WiredIncorrectly
22-01-21, 14:05
https://twitter.com/ajmk39/status/1351952941041725442?s=21
If everybody’s could please watch this
I love the comments :roflmao: ... honestly, I only go to Twitter to read the comments.
ankietyjoe
22-01-21, 14:07
Must admit I am sickened to see China back to normal partying in nights clubs only a temp check to get entry whilst here they want to ban people quarantine people at hotels make vaccine passports and drag this on. I mean how quick did they get this under control vs the west? And why is every western leader saying “Build back better” defo goes into the conspiracy theory ideas doesn’t it?
Maybe they wore a mask when they were told to and didn't whine like little children 24 hours a day.
I give up I know people are pro lockdown and pro vaccine on these forums and other ones online I won’t name them so I shall take a break and head over to some of my alternative platforms.
WiredIncorrectly
22-01-21, 14:08
Maybe they wore a mask when they were told to and didn't whine like little children 24 hours a day.
True. Chinese are used to wearing masks too because of the smog problem. Elsewhere in the world people are trying their hardest not to wear one.
WiredIncorrectly
22-01-21, 14:10
I give up I know people are pro lockdown and pro vaccine on these forums and other ones online I won’t name them so I shall take a break and head over to some of my alternative platforms.
When you can't push the agenda, go elsewhere and try there until somebody agrees with you :shades: ... can somebody tell me the semantic term for this in the English language?
On a serious note brother, most of us are playing by ear.
Realistically though the only option you have with Saga is to not go, or get the vaccine. It's pointless trying to fight when most people won't see the point you do (even though you make valid points, and I understand your position). If you make the decision to not have the vaccine (and you're well within your rights not to) then you have to look for alternative holidays.
Maybe this a bit of a joke, but David Attenborough has probably had more jabs to fly around the world than anybody here. He's well into his old age.
:shades: ... can somebody tell me the semantic term for this in the English language?
Flouncing? Asshattery? Cockwombling?
WiredIncorrectly
22-01-21, 14:18
Flouncing? Asshattery? Cockwombling?
I'll take the last one, thanks Blue!
The sarcasm isn't nice folks!
My final point is even *if* i get jabbed immunity wears off after maybe a year and it would be a huge massive logistical challenge to vaccinate every person every six months or a year this most agreed with me on. So I guess we have to hope covid isn’t a risk after these first round of jabs :) and that’s my final point because I do wonder how a vaccine passport works if ur healthy have the jab once but say Finland wanted for do there population every 2 years vs us who maybe only offer one jab to healthy and then save it for at risk groups due to the logistics.
I have attached someones post from the Scotland going into lockdown topic see below
It was Gary A’s post
Here’s another post from another forum DS
I give up I know people are pro lockdown and pro vaccine on these forums and other ones online I won’t name them so I shall take a break and head over to some of my alternative platforms.
There was a reply to you on another COVID thread (https://www.nomorepanic.co.uk/showthread.php?237887-Covid-19-discussion-thread&p=1986309#post1986309) that pretty much sums it up. This poster also discovered as some here have, that you post on several forums. The issues you bring up and replies you get on those other forums echo those you get here and you've been doing it for years. You get the same advice as well as the less than PC reactions when they catch onto you.
I think the horse has been beaten enough so good luck and until the next time.... :byebye:
FMP
There was a reply to you on another COVID thread (https://www.nomorepanic.co.uk/showthread.php?237887-Covid-19-discussion-thread&p=1986309#post1986309) that pretty much sums it up. This poster also discovered as some here have, that you post on several forums. The issues you bring up and replies you get on those other forums echo those you get here and you've been doing it for years. You get the same advice as well as the less than PC reactions when they catch onto you.
I think the horse has been beaten enough so good luck and until the next time.... :byebye:
FMP
Ive posted a few posts attached above which people talk about giving the COVID vaccine to only the at risk groups yearly after 2021 debate that please
It’s not realistic to vaccinate every person every year that’s what Gary A said above so debate this for those wanting me “jabbed”
debate that pleaseHave I got to do this now Phil?
Ive posted a few posts attached above which people talk about giving the COVID vaccine to only the at risk groups yearly after 2021 debate that please
I give up I know people are pro lockdown and pro vaccine on these forums and other ones online I won’t name them so I shall take a break and head over to some of my alternative platforms.
:byebye:
FMP
Phil, quit issuing orders. My issue with you is that I get the impression you'd happily see all of us here and all our families on a ventilator or, y'know, dead, so long as it meant you didn't have to have an injection or wear a mask, or even miss out on a holiday.
Your self-interest is quite shockingly callous, and try as I might I can't be the bigger person and get past that.
Phil, quit issuing orders. My issue with you is that I get the impression you'd happily see all of us here and all our families on a ventilator or, y'know, dead, so long as it meant you didn't have to have an injection or wear a mask, or even miss out on a holiday.
Your self-interest is quite shockingly callous, and try as I might I can't be the bigger person and get past that.
Wow I think that post is out of order. I simply asked to discuss yearly vaccines for the at risk and if people agree since they are keen to have me jabbed. To think I wish anybody on a ventilator is madness!
Wow I think that post is out of order. I simply asked to discuss yearly vaccines for the at risk and if people agree since they are keen to have me jabbed. To think I wish anybody on a ventilator is madness!On the contrary, I don't think this post is out of order in the least. You display a total disregard for anyone else's welfare on this site and I would suggest by extension in your 3D life too. You need help Phil, though in order to receive it, you would first need to recognise a problem exists.
Pamplemousse
22-01-21, 15:22
On the contrary, I don't think this post is out of order in the least. You display a total disregard for anyone else's welfare on this site and I would suggest by extension in your 3D life too. You need help Phil, though in order to receive it, you would first need to recognise a problem exists.
<fx: stands, claps.>
Squishchips
22-01-21, 15:30
Wow I think that post is out of order. I simply asked to discuss yearly vaccines for the at risk and if people agree since they are keen to have me jabbed. To think I wish anybody on a ventilator is madness!
I dont get why you are discussing this when there is simply no answers yet. Just wait a few months, see how these vaccinations go and then discuss it. There are so many unknowns at the moment - we do not know how long the vaccine will last, whether yearly jabs are needed or not needed, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
You're going to drive yourself insane continually debating things that a) we do not know the answer too and b) have not been decided yet
In the meantime, personally I would make sure you are protecting yourself and others around you by masking up, and vaccinating when the call comes (oh and not booking a cruise which is a literal petri dish of germs floating around the ocean unless you're prepared to be vaccinated and safe).
I dont get why you are discussing this when there is simply no answers yet. Just wait a few months, see how these vaccinations go and then discuss it. There are so many unknowns at the moment - we do not know how long the vaccine will last, whether yearly jabs are needed or not needed, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
You're going to drive yourself insane continually debating things that a) we do not know the answer too and b) have not been decided yet
In the meantime, personally I would make sure you are protecting yourself and others around you by masking up, and vaccinating when the call comes (oh and not booking a cruise which is a literal petri dish of germs floating around the ocean unless you're prepared to be vaccinated and safe).
You are correct there is too many unknowns right now so I can agree to disagree so to speak. My frustration is we are almost a year into this and we have no idea what life will look like and if it will return to normal. They told us each month it would be summer xmas ect but that wasn’t true. I notice they are not over promising now though. I mean I read 95% of care homes are vaccinated yet they still have issues. I am just off phone to citizens advice after a long call and they don’t know much either. Now like I say I have anxiety about the future often people predict stuff but I know it’s speculation but it would help put my mind at rest if people have a rough guess at when we might have answers to this stuff..at a push I read BBC’s saying we will know the vaccine effects by “Spring”. So yeah I’m just looking for some understanding that well life has never been so uncertain since maybe what the world wars? The guy on the phone said he can’t see an end in sight to it either which is also very true.
Pamplemousse
22-01-21, 16:15
You are correct there is too many unknowns right now so I can agree to disagree so to speak. My frustration is we are almost a year into this and we have no idea what life will look like and if it will return to normal. They told us each month it would be summer xmas ect but that wasn’t true
"The war will be over by Christmas."
Squishchips
22-01-21, 16:24
You are correct there is too many unknowns right now so I can agree to disagree so to speak. My frustration is we are almost a year into this and we have no idea what life will look like and if it will return to normal. They told us each month it would be summer xmas ect but that wasn’t true. I notice they are not over promising now though. I mean I read 95% of care homes are vaccinated yet they still have issues. I am just off phone to citizens advice after a long call and they don’t know much either. Now like I say I have anxiety about the future often people predict stuff but I know it’s speculation but it would help put my mind at rest if people have a rough guess at when we might have answers to this stuff..at a push I read BBC’s saying we will know the vaccine effects by “Spring”. So yeah I’m just looking for some understanding that well life has never been so uncertain since maybe what the world wars? The guy on the phone said he can’t see an end in sight to it either which is also very true.
You're going to drive yourself mad (and everyone around you) trying to find answers that simply aren't there. This is a situation where you just have to accept there is no known answer.
I get wanting to know the future, really I do but the simple answer is - we don't know.
This is a new virus that has decimated peoples lives / families / livelihoods - we've seen some countries handle it brilliantly (though they are more equipped e.g. smaller / more land mass / better government in power than our shower of .. / people more willing to wear masks without issue as that's their daily life anyway etc), and we've now got a beacon of light with a vaccine but we need to wait to see how many people actually have it and how well it works.
If you need a timeframe, I'm going to tentatively suggest September as a time when most are vaccinated and we'll have a better idea of what's going on.
I would say you need to be aware of other people especially on a forum like this - I do not go into too much detail in my situation as I do not want to trigger anyone - please be mindful that we have incredibly anxious people all wanting the same answers as you but who also have an opinion rightfully so on other issues such as wearing a mask / vaccinating / booking a holiday vs trying to stay afloat in this nightmare
debate that please
No thanks
An interesting point, James. Narcissists will automatically be biased against as they impact on others. BPD will often get a bad wrap because their extreme problems overlap onto others.
So it's not black & white. If we think it is then aren't we making assumptions? Hence the scale. Trying to understand is an important stage of understanding why people do things so we try to rehabilitate. Otherwise it's back to the days of very severe punishment.
Some groups have victims. Victims should matter. So it's very hard when you have people created by their environment and they have victims. Imagine the things many asylum seekers have seen? Or done?
I don't think comparisons between people like Trump and Bundy are comparable. I also dislike the current comparisons in our time between Hitler and right wing leaders. They are simple not on the same scale.
I definitely agree with your last paragraph Terry.
It's like comparing apples with oranges, and Hitler, as abhorrent as he was (and still is), was a product of his time.
I also don't like the way many people try to liken the present time to the 1930s, which were by far, worlds apart from today.
since they are keen to have me jabbed
I don't give a flying fig if you refuse to be vaccinated actually Phil, what I care about is that you can't see the consequences of not being vaccinated and seem unable to understand that if you choose not to (which IS entirely your choice) then it may mean that you are not going to be able to take part in some of life's jollies.
I am just off phone to citizens advice after a long call and they don’t know much either.
You rang Citizens Advice asking them when the pandemic would be over and your life would be back to normal ???? :roflmao:Sorry, but , Phil, really. Did you expect them to know ? Really ?
NOBODY knows, NOBODY has any answers. I know its hard, and you want an answer, but you aren't alone, as so does the rest of humanity !
I don't give a flying fig if you refuse to be vaccinated actually Phil, what I care about is that you can't see the consequences of not being vaccinated and seem unable to understand that if you choose not to (which IS entirely your choice) then it may mean that you are not going to be able to take part in some of life's jollies.
You rang Citizens Advice asking them when the pandemic would be over and your life would be back to normal ???? :roflmao:Sorry, but , Phil, really. Did you expect them to know ? Really ?
I am happy to hear the arguments for vaccination and let’s be honest I am not top of the list so I may still get it and even if I refuse i imagine you could either book it again or go private to go abroad? And no I contacted them about saga.
And no I contacted them about saga.
Oh ok, thank goodness, although the thought of it did make me laugh.
The arguments FOR this vaccination are the same as with any mass vaccination. Google for them, you'll have lots to read about herd immunity and the diseases that have been eradicated from society.
I really hate to say this but this endless bitching and angst on here is really getting a tad tedious right now.
The very last places I want to be right now are cruise ships, aeroplanes/ airports and major cities, all potential hotbeds for the spread of Covid.
I am happy to hear the arguments for vaccination and let’s be honest I am not top of the list so I may still get it
:huh::wacko: You cannot be serious! Ok... it's quite apparent you're just taking the piss here... Unreal! You all can waste your time of this blather and trife if you want but it's pretty obvious what's going on here :lac:
FMP
:huh::wacko: You cannot be serious! Ok... it's quite apparent you're just taking the piss here... Unreal! You all can waste your time of this blather and trife if you want but it's pretty obvious what's going on here :lac:
FMP
Come on if they ban everybody from society like pubs it’s mandatory in all but name so getting it would be little option would it? But again I could delay getting it and stay banned from society to see how the roll out goes.
I really hate to say this but this endless bitching and angst on here is really getting a tad tedious right now.
The very last places I want to be right now are cruise ships, aeroplanes/ airports and major cities, all potential hotbeds for the spread of Covid.
Same here I mean I am not suggesting I am going to book a holiday. This is about the future and as you know anxiety and the future can be a worry. Eventually there will be a time to travel but I read it would take years to recover as people won’t have the confidence to travel.
The anticipatory anxiety re the jab will be the worst bit, Phil. It would be ideal if you could have 1 minute's notice and no time to panic..and a single jab of course.
Then you'd have your prized way out and a golden ticket for future travel/gig going/cinema trips etc etc
I give up I know people are pro lockdown and pro vaccine on these forums and other ones online I won’t name them so I shall take a break and head over to some of my alternative platforms.
FMP
The anticipatory anxiety re the jab will be the worst bit, Phil. It would be ideal if you could have 1 minute's notice and no time to panic..and a single jab of course.
Then you'd have your prized way out and a golden ticket for future travel/gig going/cinema trips etc etc
Well sure if it happens that I need the vaccine time will tell. Still doesn’t answer whether I would need it yearly though. I think I could take it if it means we get the virus to a low level that they only have to vaccine those at risk. So yes if I was told one shot off the vaccine get back to normal and I don’t need top up that’s a good result. A bad result is a yearly dose which would maybe see me skip things in life like a holiday some years. But it’s all speculation.
On a positive note I see 1 in ten people have been vaccinated so I hope we soon see an end to this.
On a positive note I see 1 in ten people have been vaccinated so I hope we soon see an end to this.
Phil, you are congratulating people on having their vaccinations, so that it brings an end to the pandemic for you, but you don't want the vaccine ?! How lucky that so many people are going ahead with it, so that you can be spared the issue of vaccination and get back to normal life thanks to all those other people !!!!
What next ? Be happy and glad that everyone is wearing a mask (expect you) and have brought the R number down ?
I hope we soon see an end to this.
Concerning your posts, I agree 100% I have to say, you're really good at what you do. Congrats on that! :yesyes:
Do you all not see what he's doing here and on the other COVID threads he's been posting on?
FMP
Concerning your posts, I agree 100% I have to say, you're really good at what you do. Congrats on that! :yesyes:
Do you all not see what he's doing here and on the other COVID threads he's been posting on?
FMP
*Raises hand.
I do.
Yep another hand here, time for admin to act I think.
Well, narcissists love attention. Unfortunately due to low self esteem and bullying they received as a child, they have a hole inside they seek to fill with attention from others, good or bad.
nomorepanic
22-01-21, 18:44
I think this thread is going nowhere to be honest and we have to just let Phil do what he wants to do - we cannot change him and he won't be changed.
It is pointless arguing about it. Phil has to do what he wants to.
Can we just leave it at that please. Thanks
I think this thread is going nowhere to be honest and we have to just let Phil do what he wants to do - we cannot change him and he won't be changed.
It is pointless arguing about it. Phil has to do what he wants to.
Can we just leave it at that please. Thanks
And I don't won't to read posts of an aggressive nature, mocking and sarcastic towards another! Pretty disgusted by it all!
I think this thread is going nowhere to be honest and we have to just let Phil do what he wants to do - we cannot change him and he won't be changed.
It is pointless arguing about it. Phil has to do what he wants to.
Can we just leave it at that please. Thanks
Yes I agree the topic isn’t really going anywhere so I think I will leave it too as Matt says it can be a bit aggressive so it’s better to move on.
MyNameIsTerry
22-01-21, 20:04
And I don't won't to read posts of an aggressive nature, mocking and sarcastic towards another! Pretty disgusted by it all!
And if he raises a new thread I guarantee the same people will just join the thread, complain about the thread and on it goes...
Admin actually requested, no told us, what we should be doing but here we are again...:doh:
Possibly yes.
Are a narcissists actions intentionally hurtful and damaging?
Depends..
I've been called one by an ex, and my wifes mom, but I bloody hope I'm not. Makes you certainly look in the mirror. And I've asked myself before "If I am displaying these behaviors, then how do I stop?". Which probably makes me not one because a narcissist wouldn't be aware.
Narcissism is a spectrum with the severest level being where there is physical and emotional abuse. These type of people have self-esteem issues, but nothing excuses abusive behaviour. Narcs will comfortably lie and cheat and they know when they are physically hurting someone. Do they think (or know) it's wrong though? Or think it's somehow justified? Only a narc can answer that one, and you wouldn't get the truth if you did - unless it somehow served them to do so.
The problem is, you don't know who is or isn't until after you've fallen in love.
Yes, and it's love which keeps people in these situations longer than they should be because there is always the hope that 'one day' it will be different, but it never is. Narcs don't change - they just grow older.
What are some behaviors in a narcissistic relationship?
Control. Manipulation. A great relationship with people outside of the relationship, so much so that they would never accept that this person could be abusive. Verbal abuse. Physical abuse. Emotional abuse. Disregard for the law and rules. Lack of empathy. Lack (or no) remorse - and many more things. It's a package. Most people will have at least one narc trait but this doesn't make them a narc.
I'm a control freak, but the difference is that the person I am trying to 'control' is me, and it's an autistic thing, but other people could see that as narc trait?
The difference with me is that, my autistic need to control my environment has had an effect on my NT husband that I wasn't aware of and the knowledge of this has mortified and upset me. I am going to work with a relationship therapist to try and sort this out. You wouldn't get that with a narc. So, control is a narc behaviour, but it's not that simple, you see?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9181865/Nasal-spray-stop-catching-Covid-two-days-available-summer.html
I will take this over a vaccine more tried and trusted methods and no jabs offers good covid protection so a few squirts up the nose before a gig and good to go.
Yes I agree the topic isn’t really going anywhere so I think I will leave it too
:winks:
:winks:
My apologies I shall post it In the other COVID topic
But you say it's not going anywhere, Phil so it doesn't matter what thread you use.
But you say it's not going anywhere, Phil so it doesn't matter what thread you use.
Whats not going anywhere are you suggesting we will still be jabbing for life when stuff like flu jab comes in nasal form?
Whats not going anywhere are you suggesting we will still be jabbing for life when stuff like flu jab comes in nasal form?
No you've taken what I said literally.
You said that you thought the whole argument re the vaccine was going nowhere on your thread so you would stop posting your views.
No you've taken what I said literally.
You said that you thought the whole argument re the vaccine was going nowhere on your thread so you would stop posting your views.
Yes I posted it in the COVID topic instead
ankietyjoe
24-01-21, 21:37
And I don't won't to read posts of an aggressive nature, mocking and sarcastic towards another! Pretty disgusted by it all!
And with respect, you haven't been around much recently.
Phil has been relentlessly posting and monopolising the forum with exactly the same self centred nonsense for months. Literally hundreds of posts about exactly the same thing, disregarding every single constructive point people have made.
If the posts disgust you, don't read them.
And with respect, you haven't been around much recently.
Phil has been relentlessly posting and monopolising the forum with exactly the same self centred nonsense for months. Literally hundreds of posts about exactly the same thing, disregarding every single constructive point people have made.
If the posts disgust you, don't read them.
Listen you don’t need to reply to my posts if you don’t like them. Terry has pointed this out already.
And with respect, you haven't been around much recently.
Phil has been relentlessly posting and monopolising the forum with exactly the same self centred nonsense for months. Literally hundreds of posts about exactly the same thing, disregarding every single constructive point people have made.
If the posts disgust you, don't read them.
And if the posts annoy you that much to be aggressive....... Don't read them! and saying "with respect" doesn't entitle you to write what you like!
I know what Phil is like and to bully and be aggressive towards someone when you could just do as you say yourself???? After all we are on a forum for people with MH issues! We should be supporting and be sympathetic, but I see more and more of the nastiness!
ankietyjoe
24-01-21, 21:55
After all we are on a forum for people with MH issues! We should be supporting and be sympathetic,
And part of that process is the person suffering being part of their own recovery. Listening to what people say and updating with progress etc. Otherwise what's the point?
This isn't a whining blog where you can just moan about things you can't do relentlessly.
Furthermore, Phil is insisting on doing things against the greater good. We ARE all in this great global lockdown together, but not Phil. He won't wear a mask, he won't take the vaccine, he wants to travel asap. Expecting people NOT to be pissed off with him is ludicrous.
And part of that process is the person suffering being part of their own recovery. Listening to what people say and updating with progress etc. Otherwise what's the point?
This isn't a whining blog where you can just moan about things you can't do relentlessly.
Furthermore, Phil is insisting on doing things against the greater good. We ARE all in this great global lockdown together, but not Phil. He won't wear a mask, he won't take the vaccine, he wants to travel asap. Expecting people NOT to be pissed off with him is ludicrous.
I won’t wear a mask as I am medically EXEMPT. There is others who are scared of the vaccine scroll down below my topic. I am sure we would all love a holiday when things get better.
ankietyjoe
24-01-21, 22:02
I won’t wear a mask as I am medically EXEMPT. There is others who are scared of the vaccine scroll down below my topic. I am sure we would all love a holiday when things get better.
My point, beautifully missed. As usual.
And part of that process is the person suffering being part of their own recovery. Listening to what people say and updating with progress etc. Otherwise what's the point?
This isn't a whining blog where you can just moan about things you can't do relentlessly.
Furthermore, Phil is insisting on doing things against the greater good. We ARE all in this great global lockdown together, but not Phil. He won't wear a mask, he won't take the vaccine, he wants to travel asap. Expecting people NOT to be pissed off with him is ludicrous.
What, and you don't think I understand that and how frustrating it is? It still doesn't give people the right to be sarcastic, aggressive and bully. Would people be like that to someones face? I'm not so sure.
My point, beautifully missed. As usual.
Maybe you should look up what medically exempt means rather than be ignorant. Maybe you don’t like that I can’t wear a mask but there is others in a similar position who face discrimination due to people who share your view.
ankietyjoe
24-01-21, 22:07
What, and you don't think I understand that and how frustrating it is? It still doesn't give people the right to be sarcastic, aggressive and bully. Would people be like that to someones face? I'm not so sure.
I said it to somebody's face today in Tesco. Speaking for myself, I don't exaggerate my responses online.
Phil has never been bullied here, not once. You can pluck that word out of the ether as much as you like (just as he has), but it doesn't make it true.
What, and you don't think I understand that and how frustrating it is? It still doesn't give people the right to be sarcastic, aggressive and bully. Would people be like that to someones face? I'm not so sure.
This is why I have quit these forums various times as they make me feel drained. I get lots of help from yourself and other members Terry and Pulisa and I get the same members jump in and complain that I am even allowed to post? It’s very hard to accept the good advice when I have to spend so long arguing with people with a personal gripe against me. This is why I raised a concern with the admin how the forum can have an adverse effect on mental health.
I said it to somebody's face today in Tesco. Speaking for myself, I don't exaggerate my responses online.
Phil has never been bullied here, not once. You can pluck that word out of the ether as much as you like (just as he has), but it doesn't make it true.
I find that quite sad that you look for confrontation even off forums. Bad enough people who put anything nasty online without it happening in person too.
ankietyjoe
24-01-21, 22:13
I find that quite sad that you look for confrontation even off forums. Bad enough people who put anything nasty online without it happening in person too.
Telling a 20 something to put their fvcking mask on in Tesco is not 'looking' for confrontation.
Being a 20 something swaggering around a confined space with the mask on his forehead IS looking for confrontation. Which he found.
Telling a 20 something to put their fvcking mask on in Tesco is not 'looking' for confrontation.
Being a 20 something swaggering around a confined space with the mask on his forehead IS looking for confrontation. Which he found.
Depends if they are exempt or not that’s why it’s unfair to challenge anyone as they may have a particular issue. People can be exempt in 20’s too. If they are not exempt it’s upto the Tesco staff to challenge them or police
I said it to somebody's face today in Tesco. Speaking for myself, I don't exaggerate my responses online.
Phil has never been bullied here, not once. You can pluck that word out of the ether as much as you like (just as he has), but it doesn't make it true.
Said what? Why aren't you wearing a mask? Good for you! I stand by what I said and being sarcastic is a form of aggression and bullying as far as I'm concerned!
If Phil is exempt, he's exempt! Do I agree that people should be exempt? Nope! There really isn't a good enough reason not to wear one, but I have to except it.
ankietyjoe
24-01-21, 22:22
Depends if they are exempt or not that’s why it’s unfair to challenge anyone as they may have a particular issue. People can be exempt in 20’s too. If they are not exempt it’s upto the Tesco staff to challenge them or police
I think it's fair to assume that strutting around chuckling with the mask on your forehead that you're not exempt.
And guess what, he wasn't. He was just being a selfish prick.
ankietyjoe
24-01-21, 22:24
Said what? Why aren't you wearing a mask? Good for you! I stand by what I said and being sarcastic is a form of aggression and bullying as far as I'm concerned!
If Phil is exempt, he's exempt! Do I agree that people should be exempt? Nope! There really isn't a good enough reason not to wear one, but I have to except it.
Phil isn't exempt, at least not in any meaningful way. Like you (I assume) I don't agree with anxiety being an exemption. Just like you're not exempt from wearing a seatbelt due to anxiety or being able to drink and drive because you feel calmer when pissed.
Phil isn't exempt, at least not in any meaningful way. Like you (I assume) I don't agree with anxiety being an exemption. Just like you're not exempt from wearing a seatbelt due to anxiety or being able to drink and drive because you feel calmer when pissed.
The law says I am exempt
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-public-use-of-face-coverings/
https://www.gov.scot/news/face-covering-exemption-cards-launched/
So argue all you like but it’s ignorance that’s what it is. One would think an “anxiety forum” would understand how difficult anxiety can be. For some just leaving the house is a struggle yet I experience more ignorance on here than I do outside.
So that will be my last post on this topic as I have explained I am exempt and that’s the law so no point in arguing. These forums would actually cause you anxiety rather than help!
nomorepanic
24-01-21, 22:36
enough now - closing thread
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