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willll
10-07-21, 21:25
Hey everyone… I’m back again.

Recently (for about 4 days now) I have been experiencing a dull/gnawing pain in my right upper abdomen under my ribs. The pain sometimes wraps around my back and goes up my shoulder blade. I’m scared I have pancreatic cancer…

I’m only 22 years old and besides being slightly overweight and having high blood pressure, I’m completely healthy. Over 90% of cases of pancreatic cancer happen in people over 40, and it’s almost unheard of for someone my age to get it. However, I’ve also recently lost about 40 pounds over a year and a half. I’ve mostly contribute me this to not eating as much after I moved out of my moms house (I only eat once a day now, I know, it’s bad. Not from lack of appetite but it is just usually how things work out now.)

I’ve somehow now contributed my weight loss and pain to pancreatic cancer and have convinced myself that the cancer is in a late stage because of my symptoms and has possible spread to my liver, which is what is causing this pain.

The pain isn’t excruciating, just kind of annoying and uncomfortable, but feels like it’s getter worse each day. Because it’s not severe pain, I don’t think it’s gallstones or gallbladder related. My poops have also been normal lately and no excess gas or anything so I don’t think it’s IBS.

I know this sounds totally irrational, but I’m hoping that just writing this will make me feel better. I’m also hoping someone has had a similar experience they can share.

Thanks for reading!!


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willll
10-07-21, 21:27
I’ve also considered liver cancer… Isn’t it crazy how our brains are wired to find the worst possible cause for something?


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Fishmanpa
11-07-21, 00:41
Isn’t it crazy how our brains are wired to find the worst possible cause for something?

Indeed it is!

FMP

willll
12-07-21, 03:26
Ugh, now I have moved on from pancreatic cancer to liver cancer…

I’m positive I have an extremely rare (I did the math, a 1 in 1,666,666.67 chance) type of liver cancer called fibrolamellar hepatocellular carcinoma. It’s a cancer that primarily affects young people. I didn’t think liver cancer was possible, as it almost always affects older people… until I came across this.

I’m so disappointed as I’ve been doing fairly well with my health anxiety lately. It’s probably nothing and part of me knows that. Or if it is something, it’s probably just gallstones or something much more common and much less sinister. A part of me knows this… But another part of me thinks that I must have this disease; there is no other explanation.

I go from feeling okay to feeling like I am soon going to find out that I only have months to live. I’m scared to die. I’m scared to leave my mom.


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NoraB
12-07-21, 10:44
I’m so disappointed as I’ve been doing fairly well with my health anxiety lately. It’s probably nothing and part of me knows that. Or if it is something, it’s probably just gallstones or something much more common and much less sinister. A part of me knows this… But another part of me thinks that I must have this disease; there is no other explanation.

Sounds like IBS to me...


I go from feeling okay to feeling like I am soon going to find out that I only have months to live. I’m scared to die. I’m scared to leave my mom.

Dying isn't as scary as people imagine. Those who have died and come back to tell the tale (NDEs) generally say how pleasant the experience is - so much so that they have to be encouraged to get back into their bodies? Imagine that?

In the highly unlikely event that you do only have a few months to live, how would you spend that time?

I don't believe in talking about death in hushed tones, or not at all. We have to face what we fear...

Maybe you need to reframe how you think about death and dying? Remove the fear factor from the inevitable. The chances of you actually being here to start with are mind blowing, but you were the one who won that particular race. You will die one day. We all will. You, me, your mum (my mum's already gone) my kids, my grandchildren, everybody on this forum - my dog. It's a cert my friend. And you are wasting the time you do have by allowing your imagination to run riot with imaginary diseases..

HA is very, very convincing until you see it for what it is, and when you do it's a lot like when the 'all powerful and terrifying Wizard of Oz is revealed to be a little old bloke with no real powers at all..:shrug:

My friend had liver cancer. Sure you have pain but pain doesn't equal cancer. My mate was so yellow, she looked like a Simpson. And her body was so full of fluid that she struggled to walk. Her bloods were off the scale. This is not you.

More so, I saw her in her last few hours on this Earth, and she was incredibly peaceful. But before she got to that point, she packed as much living in as she possibly could. She travelled the world with her family. She saw that they were financially ok, and made some happy memories for her kid to remember her by. The woman was an inspiration to me and everybody around her. The worst really did happen to her, and she owned the entire experience, rather than spend her remaining time in fear. And it is generally the case that terminally ill people do respond this way because we tend to cope better with difficult things which are real than what's imagined...

Fishmanpa
12-07-21, 12:00
until I came across this.

Translation: Until I Googled :whistles:

FMP

willll
13-07-21, 00:03
Thank you Nora. I’m sorry to hear about your friend, but what a beautiful life she decided to live after she found out. I agree with everything you said, and it gives a lot of insight as to what might be causing these thoughts.

Yes, exactly FMP… Google [emoji849]


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NoraB
13-07-21, 07:57
Thank you Nora. I’m sorry to hear about your friend, but what a beautiful life she decided to live after she found out.

One of my favourite quotes is Viktor Frankl's...

Everything can be taken from a man (or woman) but one thing: the last of the human freedoms - to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances..

My friend did just that, and so did my dad when he was given his terminal diagnosis. If the same should happen to me, I hope that my response is as courageous as theirs.

We're all on borrowed time Will. My nephew died when he was 4 years old. My aunty when she was 93. Doesn't seem fair does it? But that little boy lit up the world in those 4 years he was here and he knew happiness and love. Some folk can live to be 100 years old and never know either of those things. Time is just that. What matters is what we do with it..

Get your head around death and dying. Accept it for the natural part of life that it is (and how necessary or we'd become extinct) and you will be able to live.

willll
14-07-21, 01:16
So, a few days ago I posted a thread about pancreatic cancer. Since then, I’ve moved on to another fear… liver cancer.

It all started last week with a dull ache in my upper right abdomen. Sort of felt like a cramping pain. It was constant and I didn’t think much of it until the next day when it continued. As the days progressed it got worse. It is constant and not severe (which makes me think it’s not my gallbladder). Feels like a dull ache sometimes, and sometimes it feels like a sharp stabbing pain. Other times it just feels crampy and bloated.

I was googling as usual and came across a specific type of liver cancer that primarily affects younger people. It is extremely rare, but for some reason I cannot accept any other cause.

I messaged my doctor today. My mom seems to think it’s my gallbladder, but I’m terrified that it’s something worse. I can envision myself going to the doctors office and being diagnosed with cancer. I fear that I do not have much time left, because this specific type of cancer is usually found in a very late stage. I don’t know what to do.


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NotDeadYet
14-07-21, 06:38
willll

I’m sorry you’re having a rough go right now. There are two things you should do: get a doctors appointment and get the all clear and then work on your health anxiety. In the meantime you can practice challenging your thoughts. You’re worried about a very rare cancer. Use that information to challenge your thinking.

Best Wishes

NoraB
14-07-21, 09:14
So, a few days ago I posted a thread about pancreatic cancer. Since then, I’ve moved on to another fear… liver cancer.

It all started last week with a dull ache in my upper right abdomen. Sort of felt like a cramping pain. It was constant and I didn’t think much of it until the next day when it continued. As the days progressed it got worse. It is constant and not severe (which makes me think it’s not my gallbladder). Feels like a dull ache sometimes, and sometimes it feels like a sharp stabbing pain. Other times it just feels crampy and bloated.

I was googling as usual and came across a specific type of liver cancer that primarily affects younger people. It is extremely rare, but for some reason I cannot accept any other cause.

I messaged my doctor today. My mom seems to think it’s my gallbladder, but I’m terrified that it’s something worse. I can envision myself going to the doctors office and being diagnosed with cancer. I fear that I do not have much time left, because this specific type of cancer is usually found in a very late stage. I don’t know what to do.


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Why have you started a new thread on the same subject? You were on about liver cancer in the other one because I told you about my friend who actually had liver cancer!

You don't have late stage liver cancer. Have you actually seen late stage liver cancer? We're talking major organ malfunctioning, and not just the liver. Not just some vague tummy ache!

I can envision you going to the doctors and hearing the words 'anxiety' and/or IBS..

Careful1
14-07-21, 15:11
Perfect example of why we shouldn’t Google symptoms. Nearly every symptom you can think of will return web pages that will list a type of cancer being a possibility because most symptoms are non specific. Google doesn’t know you, it doesn’t know your age, family history or your medical history and so it’s gonna return everything that relates or can relate to whatever you told it to look for. This is not a good idea for someone with health anxiety because out of all the possibilities listed your brain will choose the most concerning condition even when that condition is a rare one.

You don’t have liver cancer, it doesn’t present this way. People with liver cancer especially late stage are very sick.

There are lots of reasons for abdominal discomfort. If your concerned see your doctor but liver cancer or any type of cancer for that matter is a huge jump.

NoraB
14-07-21, 15:48
You don’t have liver cancer, it doesn’t present this way. People with liver cancer especially late stage are very sick.


Will's not listening and he's probably scanning these replies, or not reading them at all.. The HA goggles are well and truly on..

Every bit of rational information and advice on here will be met with a 'but'.. This time it's different. Haven't all of us who've battled with this disorder been there? This will go on and on he finally accepts that he doesn't have LC, and then it will be onto something else, and something else..

The abdo issues won't go away because the anxiety won't go away until he addresses the health anxiety - and even then it will take time for the system to settle back down so these symptoms will continue to feed into his belief that he has cancer..

nomorepanic
14-07-21, 15:53
Hi

This is just a courtesy reply to let you know that your thread was merged with another of your threads.

Please when posting on similar topics add it onto your previous post rather than starting a new one.

It is nothing personal it is just to make it easier for people to follow your story and to give you advice as a whole.

willll
14-07-21, 21:46
It’s just so weird. I have moments of “clarity” where liver cancer sounds ridiculous, then other times it seems like the only possible scenario. I had a good year or so without any health anxiety, but I guess I still have a lot more to work on.

Anyway, I’m going this evening for some blood work and then within the next few days I’m having an abdominal ultrasound. My doctor seems to think it’s gallstones, as both my dad and sister had them and needed their gallbladders removed.

She said this is not how malignancy usually presents, so I’m trying as hard as I can to trust her.

Thanks for helping to bring me back down to Earth again everyone.


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willll
21-07-21, 22:20
Blood work came back normal. Had my ultrasound this morning. Technician said no gallstones, or maybe a very tiny one and possibly a polyp in my gallbladder. No mention of a mass or anything on the liver.

Having moments where I know I’m going to be okay, and then in another moment I’m scared it’s liver cancer.

Just waiting for the radiologist to write the report and send it to my doctor and then I’ll know the results.

I’m just terrified they’re going to call me and tell me I have a tumor on my liver.

Trying to think positive thoughts, but damn is it hard.


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NoraB
22-07-21, 07:56
Blood work came back normal. Had my ultrasound this morning. Technician said no gallstones, or maybe a very tiny one and possibly a polyp in my gallbladder. No mention of a mass or anything on the liver.

Having moments where I know I’m going to be okay, and then in another moment I’m scared it’s liver cancer.

There's nothing on the liver.


I’m just terrified they’re going to call me and tell me I have a tumor on my liver.

Again, there's nothing on the liver.


Trying to think positive thoughts, but damn is it hard.

There's the 'but'. The single most important word that HA relies on..

When you get the clear results, what then?

I'll tell you..

If you don't get the psychological help you need now, your HA will go into hibernation for days, weeks, months, or maybe even years, and it will come back to whoop your @rse again!

Blood work is normal. There is no mass on your liver. There is no evidence for liver cancer.

You can choose to stay on this train or you choose to get off. The lull that you'll experience when you get the written verification that you are healthy? That's your crazy train slowing down. At this point you can choose to get off the train or you can choose to stay on. Your choice. :shrug:

willll
23-07-21, 01:32
To anyone who might be experiencing something similar, here’s an update:

Got the results of my ultrasound today. Liver, pancreas, and bile ducts are all clean. I have multiple small gallstones and a polyp in my gallbladder measuring 6mm in diameter. They think it’s a polyp, but could also be a sludge ball or adherent stone. Follow-up with another abdominal ultrasound in 6 months for the polyp, unless I decide to have surgery for the stones.

Now time to focus on the health anxiety.


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NoraB
23-07-21, 06:46
Cheers for the update.


Now time to focus on the health anxiety.

Easy words...

No quick fix with HA. You have to work your way out of it..

It's always good when people come back and tell us HA veterans what we already knew, but it would have been nice to see you thank those who have been talking you through this phase of your HA journey? People take time and effort to respond and they don't have to, you know?

willll
26-07-21, 17:48
Nora, you are so right. It was very inconsiderate of me to not thank everyone who gave me feedback on this thread. Thank you guys for taking time out of your day to try to keep me grounded. I very much appreciate it. My apologies for not doing this sooner.

Once again, thank you everyone


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NoraB
27-07-21, 08:22
Nora, you are so right. It was very inconsiderate of me to not thank everyone who gave me feedback on this thread. Thank you guys for taking time out of your day to try to keep me grounded. I very much appreciate it. My apologies for not doing this sooner.

Once again, thank you everyone

Good response Will. And you're very welcome. :shades: