DAY 4 -Am i over the worst?

[scrumpy78]

last time i seem to remember feeling worse about day 3/4 of the first week on 20mg. im on day 4 of first week of 10mg, am i over the worse? is the first few days the worse or does it continue into days 5-7 ish? i'm just trying to countdown to help me through it. i keep getting waves of panic, nausea, cold sweats and feel like my chest is really tight. Am i on the home straight? oh and when i move up to 20mg in two weeks will i feel this all over again?

[oldhandatthis]

you have to give it a couple of weeks I'm afraid. I had similar symptoms and they came back when the dose was upped. But, by reading posts on here I was able to grit my teeth and get through it. its really awful enduring the feelings of anxiety and nausea I know but at least feel reassured that it WILL get better.

Best of luck.

[scrumpy78]

mm i'm wondering whether to ask doc if i can start 20mg sooner then. i dont mind going through this knowing theres an end , but feel pretty despair at the thought of going through it again in another two weeks!

[DeeperDown]

I don't know anything about restarting (as my other thread will testify), but I know a fair bit about moving up through the doses. I started on 10mg, moved to 20mg and then 40mg and during one nightmare phase went right up to 60mg.

I would say this. In my own experience starting the drug was the worst part. Yes I will conceed that every upgrade had an effect, but they never lasted as long or were as intense as the initial couple of weeks. You also have to remember that you are on the drugs for a reason, and not all of the things you attribute to the citalopram are actually down to the drug.

I can't give you a definitive timeframe. No-one can do that. But I can be reasonably sure that you are now at the bottom of the pit. And that you are about to start climbing out. It may take a few weeks but it will happen.

Lastly another idea. It seems you are worried about getting back to normal in two weeks and then having to go through this hell again. Can I suggest that if you do feel normal (or much better) after a few weeks at 10mg that you very slowly increase your dose so as to virtually negate the side effects. At one stage I went up in 5mg doses (from 20mg to 40mg) and I felt no increase in side effects at all. I may have been lucky - but it is generally true that if you are able to cope with the increased time to get to your "final" dose, this sort of slowly, slowly approach almost always works well.

Whatever happens keep writing here and letting us all know how you are getting on. For me in particular your posts are so helpful.

DD

[scrumpy78]

hey DD thanks for your reply, have you started yours yet? i don't mind being at the bottom of the pit as long as i'm on my way back up. ive been heading down slowly over the past few months and know going back on the citalopram is the right thing to do. let's keep each other updated on our journeys...

[LucyR]

I really can't tell the difference really from being on these to not being on them. They seem to leave a taste in the mouth sometimes, but other than that, I don't feel much difference from not being on them.

[milly jones]

i just upped my dose again today

will let u know if theres any side effects

i would rather be on these than off hun


milly xx

[oldhandatthis]

what dose are you on now Milly?

[andrewc]

Hi Scrumpy

Please give yourself some time and space and you will feel great. You will not suffer the same side effects when you step up and if any they will go away quicker. Perseveer and the benefits will be worth it. I stepped up from 20, 30, 40 and after the initial side effects I was fine.

After 8 months I have started reducing and I am now on 20 and still feel great.

Wish you well

Andy

[DeeperDown]

Just to let you know scrumpy I started back four days ago. Stupidly I took a 40mg to start with without thinking(I have 40mg and 20mg to make up my old 60mg dose), but since then I've been on the 20mg doses. So far the effects have been rather odd. I generally have three main areas which define my depression and each of these can be made worse by the side effects of citalopram. The first is the one I find hardest to deal with - the guide on this forum lists it as "ruminating". Having the same thought (a nasty horrible one) going over and over in my head until it drives me down to the bottom and I can't get out. I lock on to that thought and it tortures me. I hate that effect with more passion than anything else in the world. I feel I should be able to drive it out of my mind, but I just can't do it. The second effect is "complete loss of emotional control" - by which I mean that I cry, weep, can even be physically sick even when I am not thinking of anything. Its just there. There is no reason and I can't regain control of my own emotions. The third is intense physical shaking and loss of muscle control.

I expected my experience this time to be the same as the past times I have "upgraded". When all three effects becoming markedly worse, but that hasn't happened. Instead I have had varying degrees of severeness with each. The ruminating effect is bad when I wake - gets worse for a few hours after I wake - and then I regain some control around evening time. The shaking effect is more severe than I have ever experienced before. I wake up literally spasming. It takes me ten or fifteen minutes to control myself. I just hang on under the sheets until it eases up. However most oddly I don't seem to be suffering the loss of emotional control at all. I was awful when I started the tablets but already they appear to have done something about it. I cry certainly, but only when I allow myself to ruminate, in other words when I've driven myself to it with nasty thoughts.

Overall its better than I expected. In the past I wouldn't have been able to come online or type. Certainly not at this time of the day. So either I am being lucky - or I have yet to feel the complete dive.

It might help you scrumpy to break down the symptoms of your depression as I have above. And monitor each one separately. You may find an encouraging sign in doing so - which is what I have managed to do.

I'll keep coming to your threads when I am online. And letting you know how I am getting on. And the first thing I'll look for when I log on is you telling me how you are getting on. We'll make it.

DD

[scrumpy78]

I don't think anyone will mind reading our posts as i think they will be useful for others to read about citalopram. I'm on day 7 now, cannot believe its gone fast. I normally live with my partner, but i came to my mum and dads house on day 4 as i feel "safer" here, safe in a "need a hug off my mum" kind of way, she has been through this with me a few times, where as it is new to my partner. Yesterday was my first day i felt "ok" and was able to go out. Its not that the tablets were stopping me, but all the anxiety and fighting for 4 months convincing myself i'm ok has come to a head. I think i always knew i was heading for "meltdown" but was trying to ignore it or possibly i think i was waiting til my partner finished work for the summer ( he's a teacher ) and so i could just "give up" then!
Being at my mums is like being on a retreat! i have had aromatherapy massages, a clean, fresh bedroom, home cooking ( although i havent realy been eating much) and best of all SKY TV!!!
So, so far i have noticed is a being a bit sleep and "out of it" but no more than normally feel with anxiety. What i have noticed is that panic attacks are starting, but then seem to dissolve into nothing! whether this is the tablets working this early or the fact that i'm believing that i dont know. I am feeling dizzy and nauseous when i wake up for about 10 min, but then it passes and i suspect its dehydration from sweating all night! Noticing pains and symptoms more than normal but that is the anxiety increasing, yesterday i thought i had a pain in my heart,and then i think my head my explode. Just riding them out.Had the bizarrest dream last night, that another thing i will welcome on the tablets, the great dreams! i only dream when taking them! I dreamt i fostered 8 children ( i dont have any ) and they kept giving them to me, and i lost 2 on the first day, forgot to pick them up from school. It was quite funny.
Just a bit anxious going up to 20 mg in a week. Def feel much better than days 3,4,5.

[jayne1982]

Hello there,

I started citalopram about 6 weeks ago, and have gradually gone up from 5mg to 30mg per day. I have been taking 30mg for about a week now, and the side effects of upping the dose kicked in about day 4 and I still have them at the moment. They are getting better though. The ruminating is definitely the worst part, and most intense during the morning. I have been very nauseous too, but I'm sure that will pass.

I also went to stay with my mum and dad when I first started taking citalopram. It was definitely the right thing to do... A hug when I needed one, home-cooked food and a clean room! I really hope you're feeling much better now. I'm now back living with my boyfriend and at work too, so things are looking up.

I even managed to get a promotion last week, which involved a scary interview board, something I never imagined I could have done a month ago!

:hugs: It's so good to know there are such great people to talk to on here. It's a fantastic resource and has got me through some really grotty moments.

Let us know how you're getting on.

Jayne xx

[DeeperDown]

Hi again Scrumpy - and welcome Jayne.

Reading your threads made me feel very guilty I hadn't mentioned the part my parents have played in helping me. Most of my early depression stemmed from health fears - either for me or those I love. In fact one of my worst episodes came when my father was diagnosed with cancer. Despite it being the worst time of his life he somehow found enough to cope with both that and my illness. It was remarkable. Especially if you consider he was once hospitalised with depression when he was in his late teens. He gives hope to me, and I hope to everyone else here, because he came off medication when I was born (34 years ago) and has taken all manner of life hits since without ever going back. I'm not sure I could ever do it, but it does show that there is a road back, for some at least.

Scrumpy has reminded me of another symptom of restarting the citalopram that I had forgotten to mention. Mainly because it someone does not seem to be depression related. The night sweats. Although at this time of year you can at least throw back the covers. I have woken up soaked in sweat the last two days. In fact I can remember January mornings when it was below zero and I was still too hot with the covers on. Then too cold with them off. Then too hot...

Anyway, enough rambling. My daily update for you. I slept in today. Partly to try and sleep through the morning (always the worst time), and partly because I also take a medication called Trazadone which for some reason sometimes knocks me out (other times it seems to do nothing). Last night was a knockout time. I was nauseous from the moment I took it, and almost collapsed into a sleep. Since awakening my rumination is about a 5 on a scale of 1-10. Nothing like as bad as yesterday. The shakes are better, but still quite severe. And the emotional control is good. Either waking up later has done some good or I am just having a good day. However I haven't hit the 7 day mark yet so I am being cautious. I remember when I started off on citalopram days 7-10 were the worst. In fact I had almost given up on them but my second GP appointment was after two weeks and the last couple of days before I went back it sharply turned for the better. I will be much happier when I reach day 11.

Its good to know you are holding up Scrumpy. The change of scene will come at just the right moment for you. I'm certain by this time next week you'll be feeling the positive effects. Don't worry if you dip a bit over the next couple of days. It doesn't mean its stopped working. If you get to Wednesday and you haven't had any sort of dip then I think you can congratulate yourself. If you do get one then you can look forward to next weekend. I am sure you are nearer the end than the start now, so just keep pushing on.

About the move to 20mg? Remember that is the dosage I am on now. And although I've been better I don't seem too bad I hope? Think about that. I am absolutely sure that the upgrade will be no worse than what you have already been through. It won't be easy, but you've come this far and you've fought your way through the hardest part. You should be proud of that.

DD

[scrumpy78]

welcome jayne, your story has inspired me as i am worried that i will never make it back to work! it just seems like a big step at the moment. Its a lovely sunny day here in lancashire, although cool and i'm feeling ok for day 8. yesterday i was feeling ok side effects wise, just quite tired, but felt bad fromthe anxiety symptoms. I have this dizzy feeling, but its not dizziness, its like a might fall over world in slow motion kind of feeling and it panics me. this is what i'd been getting about 3 weeks before starting citalopram, and its worse in a morning. its not my blood pressure coz it happens when i'm led down, i just feel like i want to shake my head to clear it. went out and about yesterday on my own which felt good but i was quite miserable last night as i still feel the same as i did three weeks ago. I want to feel well - NOW! i want to be back at work doing all the normal things i used to do before i started feeling worse. still at my parents, my dad is ill with kidney failure and when i was moaning about feeling groggy yesterday he said " you don't have the monopoly on being ill you know" it puts things in perspective, also when i saw his medicine box this morning, oh my god i'd be having a pink fit if i had to take all those medicines and he does it without moaning or complaining. i feel so guilty. But my illness is anxiety and depression, and with that comes the inability sometimes to differentiate between real and perceived illness, and the fear and physical symptoms that come with that.I dont have to make excuses for myself. I have an illness, i have been trying to ignore that fact telling myself that im stupid or weak or pathetic and apologising to people all the time about not being able to do stuff. I was looking through my mums craft stuff yesterday as we both make handmade cards. I realised that she has kept every birthday and mothers day card i have ever made her for years. Not just that but inside i had written, every year, "thanks for being a great mum and putting up with me" or "thanks for being there for me, i know i'm a pain" etc etc and it made me wonder why i feel the need to apologise and feel "lesser" than other people because of my illness.

Now i'm realising that i am rambling and should really start a blog somewhere. I think it is helping me to write stuff out???

Anyway, back to the point. Day 8 and i'm doing ok. feel groggy lightheaded and nauseous but at least i'm sleeping better. Each night im having more sleep and it feels great. Also, another wacky dream...this time my boyfirend had somehow dyed my hair back blond without me realising ( it took me ages to grow back to my natural colour brown) and i was so angry at him!!! The dreams are so vivid and funny!!

[DeeperDown]

I do wish I was getting these dreams you lot seem to be having - I feel left out!

Its interesting to hear that your symptoms seem to be general depression now rather than side effects of the medication Scrumpy. If they don't seem to be changing over the next few days you might want to think about alternating between 10 and 20mg doses for a few days to offset the side effects when you go up full time. Your move to your parents does seem to have eased your mind and - horrible as it sounds - having your father to worry about and seeing his situation might help you take your mind off your own problems.

As for me - I'm still having some very shaky mornings. Its getting so I don't want to go to bed at all. By 10pm at night I feel almost normal again. And then I wake up vibrating like a faulty washing machine on a spin cycle. I don't think I've improved much in the last two days, but I've not got any worse, and that's as much as you can ask sometimes. I think I'll wait until this weekend and if its the same I'll start to move back to 40mg doses.

DD

[oldhandatthis]

sorry to hear you are having shaky mornings DD, I too wake up feeling bad. But it passes.
I've forgotten how long you've been on C/pram for, do you think you are still going through the side effects?

[DeeperDown]

Its hard to say. I mean this is only day six since I swapped back. And I went without any ADs for two days before that since I was due to see my GP and didn't want any delay in resuming the citalopram if he gave me the ok. Certainly I wouldn't be expecting to feel any benefit yet, but I still feel reasonably good. In particular after about 9-10pm at night I am pretty much my old self. Its just the mornings. Its now nearly 2pm and I am only just in control enough of my muscles and shakes to type.

One thing is certain, the citalopram isn't (as least yet) making my rumination worse or giving those "nasty" thoughts. I hate to even type the word so "nasty" will have to do. If I can get to the weekend without suffering deep depression or those thoughts, then I will be confident enough to upgrade. It has to be said though, I'm quite pleased so far. Shakes and tremors may stop me doing anything physically, but its the mental side I really fear. And that is JUST about under control. On the edge, but under control.

Thanks for the reply btw oldhat.

DD

[oldhandatthis]

you are being really brave, I admire you, I know how hard it is.


No one really understands unless they have been through it themselves, do they?

[BUBBLEGIRL CHESTER]

last time i seem to remember feeling worse about day 3/4 of the first week on 20mg. im on day 4 of first week of 10mg, am i over the worse? is the first few days the worse or does it continue into days 5-7 ish? i'm just trying to countdown to help me through it. i keep getting waves of panic, nausea, cold sweats and feel like my chest is really tight. Am i on the home straight? oh and when i move up to 20mg in two weeks will i feel this all over again?


HIYA GUYS. IV BEEN ON CITALOPRAM FOR 4 MONTHS STARTING ON 10MG AND GRADUALLY GOING UP TO 40MG. I HAVE EXPERIENCED THE FOLLOWING SIDE EFFECTS IN THE FIRST TWO WEEKS OF STARTING THIS MEDICATION:
SICKNESS, FEELING SICK, VOMITING, HEADACHES, FEELING WEAK, WEAK IN THE HANDS, DIZZINESS. AT FIRST YOU DONT FEEL THE FULL EFFECTS BUT KEEP WITH IT FOLKS. DONT MISS DAYS, ALWAYS REMEMBER TO TAKE IT BY THE WAY COS YOULL KNOW THE DIFFERENCE!!!!! AT FIRST I WAS VERY PANICKY BUT IT FADES AND YOU DONT THINK ABOUT IT. I HAVE ALSO LOST 2 STONE IN 8WEEKS SO IM FEELING AND LOOK GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOD LUCK TAKE CARE ON YOUR WAY TO RECOVERY XX

[BUBBLEGIRL CHESTER]

By The Way I Didnt Get Side Effects When My Dose Was Increased Just Felt Tired

[DeeperDown]

I'm not sure I'd recommend depression as a way of losing weight bubble - but it certainly burns off the calories. I'm 6ft 3 and was always on the heavy side. I've hit 18 stone at worst. These days I am fairly trim and down to 14. Partly because of those dreadful shakes, and partly due to the fact I am stuck indoors most of the time and have nothing else to do but keep fit and try and burn off the excess energy.

Thank you for your kind words Oldhat. And no, no-one does. My family try but I know deep down they think I am just stuck in a rut and am letting myself get down. They don't say it. But until you've woke up already crying, with your body convulsing and wishing you had died in your sleep, you just don't know how bad it can be. All logic, all reason, all knowledge, none of it makes any sense.

I first fell ill in 1992, but I recovered from that and didn't suffer again for a while. By that time I had achieved a first class honours degree and earned a Doctorate with distinction. I'd presented lectures to halls of 250+ people. I'd got to the point where everyone who knew me believed I could go on and achieve something really meaningful. And then one day my world fell apart. I'm not lazy (contrary to what the current Government might want to believe), I'm not stupid, I'm not unmotivated. And yet now standing in a room full of strangers can bring on an anxiety attack that lasts for days. I had my life ripped from under me. And I know that virtually everyone who reads this will understand that and be in just the same boat as me.

There used to be a time when I felt at home surrounded by academics and ultra high achievers. Those days have long gone. Its been a long long time since I've felt I belonged. But these last few days at this forum have given me just that. A sense that the people around me understand me. And that they are just like me. People who had so much to offer, but who were denied the chance by an illness. Not just a mental illness, I hate that term because it suggests the problem is simply with the mind, but a physical illness. A real physical shift in body chemistry that changes everything about your life. In exactly the same way a shift in insulin effects a diabetic.

I know where you've been oldhat, and I hope everyone here understands that as much as they have been cheated out of their lives, the world has been cheated out of some bloody nice people who to a greater or lesser extent can't achieve all the things they should have been able to do.

DD

[oldhandatthis]

blimey DD are you me?

I was working at a university till I became ill, high achiever lecturing to big groups etc etc

I was 'the person most in control and least likely to break down' in everyone's eyes, I think people are still reeling from the news that I was hospitalised last year.

having never had a day off sick for years I have now had nearly a year off sick.

[DeeperDown]

Its said that depression tends to effect people with a naturally high level of intelligence. I don't know if that is just anecdotal because I've never really spoken to many. Or maybe I have and, like me, they hide behind the facade of "normal" when in public. Until my complete collapse I could disguise my symptoms just long enough to escape a crowd. It does seem logical though. My OCD (another long story) started when I was six. A long time before most children could comprehend the world enough to start fixating on things. Its entirely possible this fascination with the world eventually caused my breakdown. Or even that the continual building of neurons in a specific part of my brain caused the chemical imblance. Which would someone similar to me just as prone to my exact condition. The problem is that right now everyone seems to only be able to speculate. Hopefully at some point someone will pin down some real facts on what makes one person able to cope with life, and leaves another unable to move in the morning without medication.

DD

[oldhandatthis]

I like the insulin/ diabetic analogy by the way.

If I think of it in those terms, ie my body can't hang on to its serotonin so I need to take some chemicals to help it, well somehow seeing it that way makes me feel better anyway....

[scrumpy78]

monring guys, enjoyed reading your posts as we have so many similarities. i'm on day 10 ( yippee) feeling ok just the same as i was before the citalopram i.e dizzy spells, tiredness. still at my parents house. went home yesterday thinking i was going to stay there but came back here. will try again today now my partner has finished work for the summer and will be able to stay with me. started to talk more positiviely to myself today and going to try and keep that up. its going to be a warm one today and i'm already thinking about my breathing, hate the humid weather.

have a good day

[DeeperDown]

I've had a funny old day. Hence the late post. Its nearly 4.30am as I type this. Anyway for some reason the Trazadone hit me with one of its shovel moments last night. I woke up about four times during the night and this morning, but every time I was too tired to lift my head. I wish I knew why it did this to me sometimes, other days it barely does anything. The short story being I was only able to stagger to my feet at nearly 5pm.

Citalopram wise this meant a late dose for me today. However on the good side I hardly shook at all after waking. You know logic would say since I always shake worse in the morning it must be due to some chemical building up while I sleep, but the truth is that I shake in the mornings even if I have been awake all night. And I don't shake at night even if I sleep all day. Its almost as if the effects of my depression are watching the clock. Even the citalopram downs tend to come between 9am and 3pm. Perhaps I should apply for the nightshift somewhere and sleep every day from 6am until 5pm!

I'm now about to start my second week of 20mg citalopram and I couldn't be happier. Its not done a lot for the depression yet, but its not made it any worse. at least not noticably so. I am almost looking forward to the jump to 40mg because I know that when I get used to it I will start feeling a real lowering of my anxiety. Hopefully enough for me to stop at that dose.

Anyway, sorry if today's words haven't been up to my usual standard. The late night is making me a bit twitchy so I am about to try and get to sleep. Hopefully I can nod off before the shakes start and get back to a better sleeping pattern tomorrow.

Good to hear your symptoms are under control scrumpy, and that the lucid ramblings of myself and oldhat are helping you out. It looks like we've passed the worst of it, and perhaps when we upgrade to a higher dose we can share that experience too.

And thank you for the kind words oldhat. I doubt the insulin comparison is an original idea, but it does illustrate one simple point. Our illness is as physical as it is mental. The line below for instance;

Inability to lead a normal life because the body is unable to control the level of a certain chemical or chemicals. Having to take a drug or drugs to control the level of those chemical(s) manually.

I mean does that line describe a diabetic? Or a depressive? I dare anyone to tell me for certain which. In the absence of any other data at least.

Think about the words. "Mental" illness. Its as if someone is saying we have a disease of the mind. Well find me a doctor who can point to the brain and show me where the "mind" is located. Certainly our condition effects our concious behaviour and our emotional response. But the brain is a physical thing. And therefore we must have a physical illness. If we didn't then how would tablets help? Tablets don't work on the mind. They effect an actual physical thing. In the case of citalopram the amount of serotonin in the synapse. And that physical change causes us first to feel more depressed, and then for that depression to be relieved. That's not mental. That's all physical. And we should feel no more ashamed of our illness than a paralysed person should feel ashamed about not being able to walk.

DD

[apple66]

:) Hi it's day 6 on 20mg and have experianced the yawning and dry mouth feel slightly numb if that makes any sense but ok, take care all

[DeeperDown]

It looks like you might be lucky apple. If you can get through the weekend you should be confident that you are through the worst of it.

Best of luck.

DD

[oldhandatthis]

I hope you are feeling OK Apple

How's things with you DD?

It's 7 weeks now for me on Citalopram and I am feeling like myself, which is wonderful. Still fatigued but that's a small price to pay!

[DeeperDown]

I'm good thanks oldhand, and at the moment I am actually laughing because I've just realised I've been calling you oldhat!!! God its ages since I've heard the sound of my own laughter. Sorry for that.

I'm about to climb up another step, to 40mg. I've stopped shaking markedly in the morning but I'm still not quite where I want to be. I'm hoping this will do it, in fact I'm quite positive it will. Hopefully this increase will be an managable as the first dose was.

DD

[oldhandatthis]

well I didn't like to correct you... glad it made you laugh though, that must be a good sign.

[DeeperDown]

Its just as good a sign that I noticed it. When I get depressed I often jumble things up and make mistakes. Spotting an error like that is an excellant sign. I wouldn't have minded if you'd put me right but its nice the way it turned out. Thank you.

DD

[oldhandatthis]

I know what you mean about not being very sharp when depressed. Or on medication...I am sure Citalopram dulls my wits a bit; when I came off it I suddenly felt much more tuned in and bright.

But am quite happy to be slightly foggy if it takes the blackness away.

[scrumpy78]

hi all, just got my internet access back. Doing ok, has a nasty stomach bug over thurs/friday. I can't believe how i'm getting one thing after another - like having anxiety and starting citalopram isnt enough!

Now on day 14, and have been taking 15mg for past 3 days in order to step up to 20mg tommorrow or wed. Still getting tightness in chest and been feeling lightheaded and groggy, especially in this heat. But seem a lot more stable than before. Had a nice rest at my mum and dad's. Now back at my house feeling that i'm getting a little bit better each day.

[oldhandatthis]

that's good scrumpy, hopefully you will be over the worst now!

[DeeperDown]

The heat doesn't help. Many people struggle to sleep when it gets this hot, and to the depressive this is just more hours of each day to panic.

To be honest 10mg never even touched the sides of my depression so I am sure when you get to 20mg you will start to really notice it taking effect. Keep chatting, and I will keep looking for your replies.

Best of luck.

DD

[bellabum]

You guys have really inspired me - I feel a bit of a coward now for dropping back down to 10mg after only two days on the 20mg!

Until I can see my doc next week, I'm going to gradually increase (1/4 for a three nights and then a half) and see if I can cope with it better then.

I'm on day and the shakiness and nausea have gone somewhat, so I'm going to bite the bullet and not be afraid of the side-affects, just take it slowly and llow my body to adapt.

[watertheatre]

Hi.on my second day of citolopram and keep feeling sick and spaced out is this normal and howlong doesit last I amon 10mg.

[DeeperDown]

Trust me, its get better. But it does take time and you can feel a lot worse during that time. The action of the drug and the very nature of depression makes it hard. Too hard for some. I'm up a dose now and am feeling teary at times. Fighting to stay in control. You have to do the same. All these symptoms will pass us by and the stories here will help us see their is light at the end of even the blackest tunnel.

Bella, Water... it will get better. When you find your dose and you get used to it all of the bad feelings will drop away.

DD