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jet12
17-11-09, 12:40
Hello everyone

I've suffered from a series of panic attacks over the last 10 years while at work, usually in meetings and also when public speaking. No doubt like many others I suffered in silence for far too long and only in the last 12 months, after one particularly embarrasing (but ultimately positive) experience in front of senior colleagues, did I seek professional help.

Having started on a road to recovery with the help of an excellent clinical psychologist, I've had progress interupted by a few minor episodes at work. I thought it would be helpful to share my story with like minded sufferers and survivors in the hope that a) I can boost my confidence at a time when some familiar doubts are creeping in and b) so that anyone who might be suffering similar symptoms to myself can themselves gain confidence from hearing of others who are on the journey and ultimately (even so I say so myself) making good progress! So here goes.....

I am a professional who has held senior roles in business for several years. I am viewed by my colleagues as a "natural leader", an extrovert and someone with energy and enthusiasm to burn. No doubt like countless others here, the public persona was at odds with my inner feelings of self doubt, low self esteem and general unease at being thrust into the spotlight at business functions. The reasons for this I do not know but the specialist who has helped me so much recently has encouraged me to look forward not back so happy to do this and move on!

About 10 years ago I had my first panic attack in a meeting with colleagues. Nothing prepared me for it, I felt relaxed and calm and was asked to speak briefly on an agenda topic. I can remember the feeling so well, burning sensation rising up from my legs, palpitations, heart racing, head spinning and hot flushes. The panic maybe lasted less than 30 seconds but felt like an age and I remember stuttering and stammering and feeling desparately like I wanted to run from the room. Others appeared to notice but as always the episode was no doubt worse for me than it looked to others.

Following this episode I began to obsess about future meetings and especially speaking in public. My outgoing nature and apparent natural speaking ability meant I was constantly asked to speak to conferences or to meetings and I remember fighting so hard to try and manage the waves of panic that came over me immediately prior to each speaking engagement. My support system was always based around writing out my speech word for word so if I did panic I could revert to a script, even for the most minor and short speaking role, to the extent that even a 30 second update in a meeting with colleagues would be scripted and rehearsed. Quite ridiculous I know but this made me feel more secure and while I had several near misses prior to and during speeches in the years that followed, I was fortunate not to experience an attack in front of colleagues or an audience. Despite this apparent "success" I found work exhausting and I lived day to day waiting for the day I would be "found out".

The subtle impact this can have on a life is, in hindsight, quite incredible and I can see now that my fears and anxieties influenced so much of my life. I didn't seek promotion when it was offered, I didn't buy the bigger house for my family that I could afford through my hard work, I didn't look forward to my future career with anything other than dread. ANd all because of a seemingly minor episode (in comparison to so many other people) that came to dominate my working life.

About 2 years ago, still suffering symptoms to the extent that even introducing guests at a boardroom lunch became very very difficult for me, I had a panic attack in front of colleagues when I was, again, asked to give a very brief update to a meeting on business results. This time I couldn't speak at all and was shaking violently that it became obvious to all there was a problem. I confessed all to my colleagues and, despite my huge embarrasment was amazed at the relaxed manner in which my discomfort was handled by them and the support I received afterwards. I hope others have been equally fortunate if they have had similar situations to deal with at work.

In the weeks following this episode I had two more "public" episodes. On one occasion I ran out of the room when having an HR meeting with a member of staff (I made out I was going to be sick) and then in a meeting with two colleagues I again confessed all as I began to tremble when explaining a diagram on a document I had prepared. Even one on one meetings over coffee became a struggle.

The point I am most keen to get across is that when I have read experiences from others in similar situations I often think that the sufferer is likely a quiet introvert who is naturally shy and this is manifesting itself in panic symptoms so there's really nothing special to worry about. But the reality is that my public episodes have been met with "I would have expected this from absolutely anyone but you" and I have never, ever had a problem meeting people, making conversation and leading discussions - and I suspect I am absolutely not alone here.

The above episodes have been a catalyst for me and I have sought professional help. And if I achieve nothing else from my post it would be to encourage ANYONE in my situation to be brave and seek help immediately. I reckon I have read EVERY book on panic attacks and also social phobias known to man and after every episode or near miss I'd buy another. There is NO SUBSTITUTE for professional help in my opinion and, while it took me three attempts to find a psychologist that I felt was on my wavelength, the wait was worth it. So what have I learnt....

1. That I'm not mad, far from it.

2. That there's countless others in my situation and to hear that face to face from someone who is counselling these people is a huge help and confidence booster

3. That despite what some say, there is NO QUICK FIX for me and I need to be patient as I work back through to recovery

4. That my problems are caused primarily by the way I think and that if I can train myself, over the long term, to think differently I will manage this problem and learn that ultimately I AM IN CONTROL. Until I learned this I felt my panic was not in my control and I was going mad because of how quickly this was affecting me in meetings - now I know I cause the panic every time by the way I think.

5. That cognitive behavioural therapy (for me) was something I was hugely sceptical of but that when I write down my feelings and counter thoughts prior to a speech or a meeting, the anxiety I feel DEFINATELY reduces and begins to be put in context. I would encourage anyone who may be sceptical to at least give it a go.

6. That learning to recognise and accept anxious feeling as part of me and not a threat is something that needs practice but is fundamental to my recovery.

7. That recovery takes a long time and more so because I have let it dominate me for so many years.

8. That under no circumstances will I let this thing beat me and that recovery is a marathon not a sprint.

Its nearly a year snce I first sought help and no, I'm not "recovered" and yes, in recent weeks I've had a couple of scares and near misses which really set me back and led to a few days of total despair - which isn't good for me or my family who have put up with far too many days/nights when Dad is present in body only!

The despair would have lingered had I not learned so much from my counsellor who warned me absolutely to expect setbacks and prepare for them. So I've had a couple and now I am working again on the points above and starting again to write my thoughts and feelings down, learning to recognise negative thought patterns that used to be automatic and accepted by me but are now having to fight for attention and be challenged. And ultimately now I'm trying so hard to remind myself that there is light at the end of the tunnel - during the last 6 months I've had a few glimpses of what life must be like when this anxiety problem has disappeared and its a fantastic and very liberating feeling. I hope others who are going through this have similar moments and it would be brilliant to hear from people who are on the other side of this now.

In signing off then, I'd just like to remind anyone who'se landed on the forum after some early moments of panic, especialy in a situation similar to mine, that there's loads of us out here at varying stages on the journey and that, in my view, professional help may just be the key to solving a very solvable problem, especially I suspect if its caught early.

Thanks for reading this, I apologise for rambling on, and I would love to hear from others who are going through this. I'm staying positive but we all need a confidence boost from time to time.

Thanks again

Jet12

nomorepanic
17-11-09, 12:43
Hi jet12

We just wanted to welcome you aboard to NMP. We hope you enjoy your stay here and get all the support and advice you need.

Please take some time to read the website articles on the left as well for loads of advice and tips.

marie1974
17-11-09, 14:22
Hi Jet and welcome to NMP, i am sure you will find great advice and support on here and make new friends too. hugs xx

Southern_Belle
17-11-09, 15:46
Hi Jet12,

Welcome to NMP. Wow! You have given us so much great information I wanted to move this to success stories. You were right when you said that I only thought that shy people are the ones who suffer with public speaking. I, myself, used to get physically ill before speech class in college and my hands always shook in business meetings when it was my turn to speak. I never even thought to get counseling for this problem. Thanks so much for the list of what you have learned. Great tips and a wonderful post. Wishing you the best of success on your journey. So very glad you have found us.

Take care,

Laura

labamba
23-11-09, 14:23
Hi

Thanks for your mail I too have a good job and have recently been excessively worrying about meetings. I have been getting CBT too but for the last 5 yrs to try and help me deal with my anxiety. I am feeling quite low just now having had a recent blip where I feel lacking in confidence to overcome. So I am hoping that your positive posts and others may help me to get back on track again.

LaBamba

Seo
23-11-09, 17:55
Hi Jet, Thanks for your post. It really moved me as I have a similar problem. I've never posted on here but am at an all time low with it and feel I've hit rock bottom. My partner wants me to get some help and he feels posting on here is a start. I still don't truly believe anything can change me but reading your post gave me a bit of hope.

I'm similar to you in that I'm extroverted, sociable, assertive, confident in informal situations and have many friends but have been experiencing panic attacks in meetings and when doing presentations. I have a first class degree in Psychology and within a few months of graduating in summer 2008 was working as a marketing contractor for a financial company on a great wage.

However towards the end of uni, I was going through periods of intense anxiety and avoiding seminar groups where I might be asked to summarise papers and things for fear of clamming up, stuttering and looking stupid. When I did go, this is exactly what happened and I looked as though I hadn't read the papers!

I managed to avoid presentations all through uni up until my final year where I knew I'd have to do a few for course credit. I worried about the prospect of having to do these small scale presentations to groups of 10 and under for a year prior to them.

Then when I joined the world of work, I started to feel like a crazy person in meetings, unable to concentrate, asking myself if I was really there/here/anywhere, worrying about meeting invites that were for meetings a month away. Like yourself, even just simple business updates to groups of 7 or less, sometimes 3 including me! I'd spend half an hour prior to a conference call writing out exactly what I was going to say and then read it down the phone like a robot.

I left one meeting saying I was going to be sick, and another saying I felt faint both times causing great commotion and leading to a manager of some sort missing parts of the meeting for chasing after me. Then I would have to fake sickness or faintness for ages afterwards. The time I felt 'faint', my manager actually sent me home because she was so worried about me. I found this shameful as I work hard and don't take days off sick and certainly don't fake feeling faint but I'd rather that than admit I was having a panic attack.

I became obsessed with not wanting to be the girl who always ran out of meetings convinced that that's what everyone in my department thought. Then I started to avoid meetings by telling my manager I was too busy to go to them and only a 'contractor' after all. I think that made them come to the conclusion that I was disinterested in my job and they stopped inviting me.

It then started to generalise to the point where I had one attack at a comedy gig, I had one at a funeral and one at the cinema, each time I was just there with my partner and I even lied to him saying I needed the bathroom at the gig and felt faint at the funeral because it was too hot in there. Now, anywhere that it is a reasonably quiet place causes me fear of having one. I only admitted to him what really happened a couple of months ago. I became so good at covering it up.

I left my job back in June to go travelling for 3 months which had been planned since before the panic attacks started. I've now been back for 2 months and am unemployed, too scared to return to work. A few days ago I went for an interview at a prestigious university for a job I could have done with my eyes closed but had a panic attack and ran out crying hysterically on the 3rd question. I'm still mortified by this as there was no way of covering it up and have been replaying it over and over in my mind. I've had trouble sleeping, laying awake thinking about it. I've been offered a couple of temporary contracts including one back at my old job but turned them down.

I'm supposed to be capable and competent and I'm avoiding all opportunities that arise for me. It wasn't supposed to be like this. I used to look forward to starting my career believing I was going to do great things in the world. I am constantly worried about what people think of me and have quit an art evening class and 2 voluntary posts due to my fear. It’s like the intention is there but my anxiety holds me back. I have even deferred the start date for a year on a post-graduate course for worrying about panic in seminars again.

I know I need to get some help but anticipate that there would be a long waiting list to see someone and still don’t honestly believe it will actually help. People are really worried about me and I’ve been contemplating suicide. I would never do that though. This post is already far too long. Sorry about that!

jool5
24-11-09, 15:26
Jet12 and Seo, I can relate to ALL of this. I'm not in work at the moment as I am on maternity leave but I am dreading going back because of this and have spent most of my maternity leave so far worrying about returning to work. Mine has gotten to the point no where the anxiety/panic attacks are starting to come when speaking to anyone...even my Mum or my fiance. I have even worried that I will feel like that with my 5 1/2 month old son. Like both of you, I am not daft, have held down a good job and have a first class degree. I feel like my life is great apart from this one BIG thing....anxiety/panic. We don't deserve this. xxx

jet12
28-11-09, 07:15
Thank you to everyone who has replied to my post. Its a huge help to know there's others out there with similar issues although its also sad to read about everyone's suffering.

Seo, your post inparticular suggests our experiences are very, very similar (I see your Scotland flag - I'm also Scottish (in Oz now) so maybe its genetic!). You won't need to wait long at all to get help although you may find you need to visit a few professionals until you connect with someone you feel comfortable with. I tried 3 before I was happy.

I went back to my psychologist last week to boost my confidence. He actually gave me a massive kick up the ar*e despite my need for sympathy! I'd been doing really well then fell into a dip after a couple of setbacks. His message was quite blunt and can be summarised as follows:

Its a marathon not a sprint. What I need to do is train myself to manage my anxiety better NOT to try and rid myself of anxiety (I'll fail). You don't train for a marathon by avoiding running and you don't train to rid yourself of anxiety by avoiding anxious moments. In fact you do the opposite -you take on the anxious moments (and for all of us on this thread that means meetings and speeches) and use them as training WITH HELP AND SUPPORT, and gradually (very gradually) the stamina (ie: confidence) develops and we begin to recover. He reminded me that I'd stopped training and therefore my PA's were returning - in other words I was coasting a bit after a couple of good experiences and thought I was home and hosed.....so setbacks are the name of the game.

Please make sure you get help Seo. My wife asked me to do the same and I owed it to her to do so. Your partner and your counsellor will become your key support as you begin your training. If you can accept that you're at the foot of the mountain now and mentally prepare yourself for a long climb ahead then you'll make progress I promise. We have very very similar experiences (my PAs started to generalise on train journeys) and I have been in some dark places along the way. As per my original post I read all the books imaginable and wasted so much time on this.

I'm nowwhere near the end of the journey but in the space of a year I've gone from absolute terror when thinking about work to regular bouts of anxiety - there IS a difference. I can host meetings that I wouldn't have thought possible a year ago and I gave two speeches last week without notes for the first time in years. Problem solved? No chance, I was asked on Friday to give another talk next week and I've felt crap ever since - but I can now start to think this through more rationally and am able to challenge my crap feelings. Boy I wish I didn't have to put up with this but its here, its real and there's two choices Seo - run from it or manage it. The latter is infinitely more palatable than the former and I'd urge anyone like us to accept this is happening and prepare for the long haul to get it fixed.

I'll get off my soap box now! Can't wait to hear how everyone gets on with their own journey and desparately keen to develop a support network for those of us with this specific issue. Happy to take PMs on this.

Keep in touch everyone - and Seo let me know how your first session goes!

Jet12

Charlie Fraser
29-09-17, 21:25
Hi , wow my experiences are so similar . I was a CEO for 15 years and basically kept my job by going on Beta blockers . Despite what people say there ARE side effects and ultimately they erode your self confidence because you haven't fixed the problem. I have never had therapy - don't know the rules of NMP but can anyone recommend a good CBT therapist. It would need to be over Skype as I live in Asia.

up a ladder
01-10-17, 17:49
Meetings - Thats where it all started with me too. Not so much now but in the late 90s when MS Powepoint was a new toy, we used to have at least 2 4 or 5 hr meetings a week when I would be sitting there dreading the time for me to prove my ability to give my view of things. Luckliy (well not really) webex and meetingplace mean I can attend meetings in my own house. I say it was a good thing, but because of the reduction in frequency, when they do happen I can spend weeks worrying. For me, the constant worry is that I will suffer from a bout of acute tourettes and show myself up. This also transposes itself for Cinema, shows and plane travel.
What really annoys me most is that the actual situation has never been as bad as the anticipation of the event. Never, but every time the sitiation is on the horizon, off I go.