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unspoken
17-02-10, 21:46
Today I had a very unhelpful appointment with a careers advisor the NHS mental health services had referred me to. She implied that I am selfish, ungrateful and lazy for being too anxious and depressed to get a job.

I'm 21, I'm a graduate, and I had a couple of jobs but became depressed and demoralised and had to stop working in December. I've suffered from anxiety for a long time and also IBS and acid reflux. I feel unable to bring myself to get a job and I can't contemplate sitting in an office for 40 hours a week again, or travelling to work, or anything. I feel useless, guilty, worthless etc. I've never had any future goals and I can't think of anything particular I want to achieve in my life. When I think about the future, I feel suicidal, so I try to take things one day at a time.

My GP referred me to the NHS mental health services, who in turn referred me to a careers advice agency supposedly specialising in people with depression and anxiety.

I went last week and the woman mostly just talked and babbled on about how great CBT is, how thinking positively is the answer to all the world's problems. I didn't think this was very helpful but I agreed to send her my CV and go back again today. I went back. It didn't go well.

So she looked through my CV. She added the following to it:

"I am a recent Graduate, who is a reliable and punctual individual, with experiences in research and survey field work. I am very friendly, outgoing with positive, confident outlook. Above all, I enjoy working as a member of a team as well as on own initiative."

This was without really asking me anything about myself at all.

Then she said my CV was impressive and I've achieved a lot, got good grades and good work experience. She said I am very privileged as there are lots of people in the world who aren't able to benefit from such a good education. She said my parents and I have invested time and money in my education and it's time that I give something back to society for that investment.

I tried to explain my problems. Anxiety. Lack of motivation. Panic. Depression. Complete lack of direction or goals.

She babbled on about CBT and how thinking positively will solve all my problems. Apparently if I think positive thoughts, I will feel more positive, my behaviour will be more positive and all my problems will be solved. I said I have no goals in life to aim for. She asked what I see in my future. I said I don't see anything, it looks completely empty. She asked where I see myself in a year's time. Whether I see myself working. I said I didn't know, I can't imagine myself doing anything in a year's time either. She was getting quite irritated by this point. She said "what about doing more training?" but I said I don't have a clue what I want to do so wouldn't know the direction to go in with the training. She said I'd be fine when I find a job that I find enjoyable. I said I don't know anyone who enjoys their job. She said she enjoys her job and she's enjoyed every moment of every job she's ever done. Even the mundane jobs, she's made them enjoyable. Her enthusiasm and complete dismissal of my problems was really getting to me.

She went on again about how it's time for me to give something back to society and how when I go outside I'll see people who are much worse off than me. She was asking random questions like "do you have close friends? what do they think?" and "have you ever been for a walk in the park? seen the trees? have you ever seen 2 trees the same?" - I'm not really sure what the point of that analogy was. It was when I was walking in Hyde Park in my lunch break from work that I got to wondering why we spend all the daylight hours cooped up inside stuffy, artificial offices with people we don't get on with, rather than being outside making the most of the beauty of nature. I didn't bother telling her that though.

We agreed that she can't help me at the moment. I spend so much of my time trying not to feel guilty, useless, lazy and selfish, and someone who is supposed to be helping me implies repeatedly that I am all of those things. It doesn't make me want to reintegrate with society at all. I worked and didn't feel like the work I was doing contributed anything to society.

Surely this isn't the kind of person the NHS should be referring people with mental health problems to, who implies that I am lazy and selfish? Should I try taking this up with the mental health team? This experience has made me feel bad about myself again and I have lost confidence even more :weep:

Annabelle
17-02-10, 22:05
oh how there are some annoyingly chirpy idiots in the world! I definatly think you should mention this to your mental health team - not only has it been a negative experience for you but others have probably had the same "just pull yourself together" lecture from her as well! They need feedback on the people they refer you to or they won't know she's rubbish! She should stick to the day job and stop the pop psycology!
It seems that you not in the right place emotionally to be thinking about work at the moment. Just because you have a degree doesnt mean you automatically owe something to society - you (and your parents) paid for the education so you can do with it what you dam well please! The only thing you owe is to yourself, be a little bit kinder to yourself, you deserve it, if you need to take time to work out what you might want to do in the future, or even what you want to do tomorrow then take it - you are not lazy or selfish, you are ill - ill people cannot be expected to go skipping off to work with a smile until they are ready.
take the time to make sure that when you are ready to work again, your doing it for you and not for anyone else
:hugs:

anna xx

smudger
17-02-10, 22:13
Here here. Well said Annabelle. Couldn't agree more!

unspoken
17-02-10, 22:38
Thanks, I felt sure people here would manage to make me feel better about this :)

I remembered another thing she said. She said I should cheer myself up by "eating a piece of cake". I responded that I can't eat cake. She said "well whatever your favourite junk food is". I said I have IBS so I get crippling stomach pains if I eat junk food. She said she is diabetic but she still eats cake sometimes. Great advice, comfort eat to feel better.

I've never actually met anyone from the mental health team, just spoken to them on the phone, but the woman I spoke to was actually quite helpful, so I will try giving them a call tomorrow. She said they'd only just started working with the agency, so some feedback could be useful for them.

Anxious_gal
17-02-10, 23:49
I have noticed this, with woman in particular.
They think their life is worse that other peoples, they tend to compare them selves way too much with other women.
It's like your mother saying "I had to bring up ten kids and hold ten jobs and then I had to come home and cook dinner and clean and your too depressed to work? what DO you have to be depressed about eh!! "

try the book " how to heal your life by Louise Hay.

we live in a world where your worth is based on how you look, where you work, how much money you have.
this is NOT true! you have just as much worth as anyone else, you do not need to prove your worth to any one! you got to be your own best friend first :-)

take baby steps! Like me, there is a course I hope to do in 8 months, so to help myself out, I have already started the studying! so i won't feel too over whelmed when i finally start.

I have issues with woman sometimes , they are very good at taking down other women!
privileged ?? you worked your butt off , you got your education because you put the time and energy into it! you do not owe the world anything!
Man I would have slapped her! ok well at least thought about it haha.
I bet your younger and prettier than her too! she's so insecure to be putting you down like that.

Honestly positive thinking really really helps! But it's something you need to take time out to work on. just because someone tells you to be positive doesnt mean you will be.
so when you didnt react the way she wanted you to, she got frustrated!
no way has she enjoyed ever moment of every job! she's a total basket case!! seriously what kind of happy pills is she on??

I'm sorry but that theres always someone worse off than you? thats supposed to make all your problems go away.
while its true there is always someone worse of than you, there is always someone better off than you too!
thats llike calling you ungrateful! saying depression is simply self pity!

wow god help anyone else who has to meet with woman!!
seriously she was implying you comfort eat? was she over weight? just very curious now!
my friend comfort eats and she still is depressed and battles with her weight every day!

lior
18-02-10, 00:01
Gosh sounds like you've encountered someone with absolutely no understanding of depression. She's in the wrong job. The kind of advice she gave would be useful to someone disheartened over not getting a job, but not someone who is actually depressed.

It seems a bit silly to me to claim on your CV that you have a positive outlook on life when you probably don't. What's the point in lying? They're going to find out you're not like that anyway. You can do most jobs perfectly well without having a 'positive outlook'. With your grades and education you don't need to lie. Just try and make it an accurate representation of yourself.

Oh and my dad works in theatre which is an evening job, so he has free days! Cool lifestyle for a young person (but with kids he's had to take up day work as well...) There are plenty of evening jobs around... why don't you take up something simple like barwork in the evenings, and spend the day trying new things? That will give you the space to find out what you really like doing. You're still young - whatever you decide to do now, you can always change your mind about later. Lots of people have career changes in their 40s... don't feel that you have to decide on one direction for the rest of your life. Do what makes you feel happy now, if you can find that thing :)
Good luck xx

Brunette
18-02-10, 11:37
I'm going to cut this this Careers Advisor some slack - she made some good and bad points:

She is wrong in spouting the stuff about "giving back to society" - it isn't like you have spent years sponging off the state, you are only 21!

She is also wrong about advising you to cheer yourself up with cake - pathetic!

However I think she is right in some of the things she said:

You have benefited from a good education

You are better off than many people - practising gratitude is apparently one of the many routes to feeling more contented with our lot - it doesn't deny that we all have our troubles

Positive thinking does help - and the more you do it the easier it gets

Her frustration at your lack of direction is understandable, it is her job to help people find a career after all. Like anyone else in that sort of position she will expect positive responses from you not negative ones.

You made a point about being cooped up in a office. Well that might well be an indication that you'd prefer an outside job? Even if you start by knowing you don't want to work in an office that already means you are ruling some jobs in and others out - even without going any further than that for the moment it's a start!

B

LucyR
18-02-10, 13:07
Hi, I agree with the above post, the Careers Advisor definitely made some bad and good points, I guess they would get frustrated if they see quite a few people who seem negative, but perhaps, as has been said, she was not the right advisor to see you as she did not have either the understanding or the experience to deal with your situation. Good luck with your future and I am sure you will find something you enjoy doing in your own time! It was not right of her to say you owe something back to society as you have been studying for years for your degree and thats hard work in itself!

LITTLELISA
19-02-10, 08:44
i had a interview just like yourself and i too have severe anxiety problems with bad panic attacks and dp/dr this has been going back years .. now i explained this to the advisor but they did not take me seriously ..
what really does anger me is the fact people who have nothing wrong with them use the " mental health " card as a free ticket and the advisors prob get sick and tired of hearing the same story.. the sad truth is its the real people like us who suffer because of the lies of others .. it frustrates the hell outta me :ohmy:

chrisl
15-03-10, 12:36
Take all the time you need dont get pushed into doing something you dont want too . People talk about positive thinking ,yes it helps , but when you are so down its hard to imagine things will get better. talking to some one who will just listen to you will really help , its just finding that one person that will listen and understand what you are going through. I'm probably not the best person to be giving you advice , but i really do hope you get the support you need .:bighug1:

daydreamer
15-03-10, 18:30
I agree with what everyone else has said, some really good points made. I was just wondering if as a start you have considered doing some volunteering? Im sure there will be a volunteer bureau near where you live. They will have a variety of placements and it will allow you to try doing something completely different to what you were doing. I did volunteering and I found it so rewarding, I loved every minute and made some good friends.

Louise2009
15-03-10, 19:14
Hiya,

Yes perhaps you could try volunteering, it has really helped me tremendously, infact I don't think I would have recovered as well as I have without doing the volunteer work.

Positive thinking does help, but personally I have found that it only helps when you are on the road to recovery. When I first got really ill, I just could not think positively, it was almost impossible. But now I find I can think more positively, and use it as a tool to try to not get as ill again.

Try not to let anyone push you back into work or doing things before you are ready, it has to come from YOU. Most people just do not understand what we are going through.

xx

unspoken
15-03-10, 23:57
Hi, thanks for all the replies.

As an update, I haven't seen this careers advisor since. I'm having counselling once a week and going to the gym 2-3 times a week. I got up the courage to go into a charity shop and volunteer. I feel anxious before I go but once I am there I feel alright generally and just get stuck into the task. I feel better about myself now that I am doing something and I can counter some of the negative thoughts I have about myself. I don't feel quite so useless. It is also good to be around other people and no one really asks questions about me which is good, I was scared I'd have to tell them all about my problems.

I still don't feel like I have much in the way of purpose or reason for living. My GP has prescribed me a low dose of amitriptyline to help me sleep and reduce the pain of the headaches and IBS I get, I'm going to start taking that tonight and see if it helps. She also said I should increase my dosage of sertraline. I am still looking for my purpose in life but I guess if I am in less pain on a daily basis it will be easier to just exist. I am gradually adjusting to living life at my own pace and not anybody else's and I am working on ignoring the negative people like this careers advisor and my mother.