PanicAway

[graham58]

Hi. I've been having a few problems lately whilst staying with relatives in Cardiff, which whilst being a fine city in many ways seems to me to be an agoraphobic's nightmare - so many wide open spaces and tall buildings.

Anyway, I made a lot of progress today and in the company of my godmother was able to walk to and fro from Whitchurch village centre, which I couldn't do before (or at least not recently). I'm looking to maintain the progress I've made and have been looking online for therapies and other things which might help me improve further.

Just a few questions; has anyone tried Panic Away, is it any good, and do you have to pay for it?

http://www.panicaway.com/

Thanks in advance,

Graham .

[oldtime]

It is highly commercialized re-packaged CBT.

This course is much better: CBT4PANIC (http://www.nomorepanic.co.uk/showthread.php?t=91696)

[nomorepanic]

I do not promote Panic Away at all. In fact we don't usually allow posts about it.

I am promoting CBT4PANIC as above

[graham58]

I do not promote Panic Away at all. In fact we don't usually allow posts about it.

No posts at all, not even unbiased accounts of its effectiveness from people who have tried it? This looks like censorship to me, and I believe in Free Speech (within legal limits).


I am promoting CBT4PANIC as above

CBT4PANIC may be a better package, but does it allow a money back guarantee as PanicAway apparently does? The amount you pay for the two seems pretty similar.

IMO unless you're talking about something particularly bad, such as a cult like Scientology, people should be allowed to make up their own minds.

[JaneC]

Graham, have a read of this

http://www.nomorepanic.co.uk/showthread.php?t=92799

and maybe consider dropping the issue. I think the owner of any forum is perfectly entitled to decided what they want on it and what they don't. It's hardly censorship - a very emotive term which some people seem to like to bandy about for no great reason these days.

[nomorepanic]

Graham - I don't allow it as all we get on here are posts from affiliates trying to make money from it.

In fact Panic Away are so against this they actively ask me to report posts about it to them as it is against their affiliate rules.

It is a miracle cure product not a CBT one based on work from the individual themselves.

CBT4PANIC has a money back guarantee as well.

People can read and post about "panic away" on many other sites just not on here I am afraid.

JaneC - thanks for the concern. I just saw this post so thought I would reply whilst I was online.

[PoppyC]

I totally agree with Graham! He does have a right to ask! and No, he should not have to 'drop' the subject/issue. He was only asking.
Ever heard of Freedom of Speech?
It seems that there are certain rules on here, which I can understand to a point, however, you cannot promote a certain programme, and then not allow another to be posted about!
People should be allowed to make their own minds up for themselves, and be allowed to enquire, without getting told to 'drop the issue'! I understand Nic's nan is very poorly, but a person should not be told to drop the issue of his post, because of that, or any other reason. In that case, does everyone on this site, have to stop posting???
I find this site is getting worse, with what can or cannot be talked about, and I also find that it is getting increasingly cliquey' lately, which I find really offputting...
I can understand why lately a lot of people have left or are taking breaks.
Just my opinion....and based on that I would like my account deleting.
Thank You to all those who have helped me during the 2 years I have been on here. I truly appreciate it.

[nomorepanic]

Poppy - you are entitled to your opinion - I respect that totally.

With respect my nan has been very ill for over a week now and I have been visiting her for 3 weeks prior to that and have I once posted on here mentioning it? No - cos it does not effect what I do on here.

Jane was just being kind saying that at the moment maybe I didn't need the hassle.

If you read the welcome message which is also sent in a PM to all members then you will know I do not allow posts about Panic Away or Linden. If you do not agree with that then don't register or post on here.

I am not arguing about it anymore.

[diane07]

poppyc account deleted as requested.

[nomorepanic]

I am actually quite upset that my very ill nan was even mentioned in this post Poppy - it was uncalled for and quite cruel.

What goes on in my personal life has never effected my dedication to NMP or my replies so it was uncalled for to drag this issue into things implying that people cannot now post cos my nan is ill!

I always see the best in people but now I am sad that someone could be so unkind.

Anyway as they say "I have bigger things to deal with at the moment"

There are more than enough panic / anxiety forums out there that do allow such sites to be advertiised and talked about and people are free to find them and post for opinions on them. It was my decision to not allow it here and I will not back down on that.

[Spongeballz]

Just wanted to say I'm actually very glad you monitor things as you do Nicola, have only been on the site 3 days but it'd horrible for me to think that my involvement on these forums was allowing companies to try and persuade me out of my hard earned cash to follow their schemes, I think everyone here would agree we have enough on our plates without being scammed by "miracle cures".

Am also gonna use this post as a chance to congratulate you on creating such a fantastic, vibrant and helpful community and refuge, in the short space I've been here it's evident already that you've helped change lives, and you should be proud of what you've achieved.
I wish your nan a swift recovery :)

[bottleblond]

I can't believe my eyes here. I can't believe someone would use a dirty lowdown cheap shot like that to put their point accross to Nic and then turn round and tell US that the site is getting worse.

I'm too angry to say any more :lac:

Hope you are ok Nic and take no notice of people like that.

Lisa
xxx

[magpie girl]

i think when people suffer anxiety they can get very deperate for a CURE !!! Its good that nic weedles out the unwanted spam and people just wanting to push products for there so called miracle cures that cost a fortune and never work.The site is here for help and support and all nic asks is for us all to be friendly and offer advice and tips on how best to understand and manage anxiety.I cannot believe that poppy has mentioned anything about nics personal life,it is both wrong and unwarranted as nic has always been there for all of us no matter what goes on in her life she always makes time to help.xxxxx

[paula lynne]

Horrified!:ohmy:
Talk about kicking someone when they are down. I hope you are ok Nicola. We all respect you, and know that you are professional enough never to let personal issues cloud your judgement on any issue to do with this forum.

Poppy - that was a downright nasty thing you did.:mad:

[allergyphobia]

I understand Nic's nan is very poorly, but a person should not be told to drop the issue of his post, because of that, or any other reason. In that case, does everyone on this site, have to stop posting???

I'm sorry if I am being very controversial here, but I don't think Poppy was in any way trying to disregard how awful it is to have an ill relative, but rather she mis--interpreted Jane C's intentions for people to give Nic a break, as people not being allowed to have opinions.

I really don't think she was trying to be nasty, I think she just got confused. I for one am not afraid to say what I think on this site, it is not cliquey, yes there are old members and new but we are a community... I can't say what this site was like in previous years, but I don't think it has "got worse"... for me this site has been a saviour! I think perhaps there are a few too many "me me me" people on here and when they don't get their own way they kick up a fuss and want to leave. :shrug:

Just wanted to say i am thinking of you and your family Nic and Poppy if you are reading this, I don't agree with the others reactions on this one - sorry all!

x

[KK77]

I think Linden and Panic Away have created a lot of extra work and hassle for Nic and the admin team, hence the decision to not have threads promoting them. There is obviously a lot of work required in running and maintaining a free site like this and I personally don't see the problem here - especially since Nic stipulates all this in her forum rules which is PMed to all newbies signing up.

If they genuinely were "miracle cures" I'm sure Nic would be the first person to promote them - but, alas, the reality is somewhat different.

It should also be mentioned that admin never removed this thread and instead chose to justify their actions - which has unfortunately led to upset.

[eeyorelover]

There should be cures for everything....You're fat??...Here's a pill....Anxiety??...Here's a pill!!...Have a cold??...Here's a pill!
Unfortunately all the research that COULD have gone into those things has been used to create little blue pills for men to be able to....Well you know what they are for!!!
hehe

But seriously...
Let's all remember that sometimes in the heat of the moment, things are said that are either misinterpreted or said in haste, whatever the case may be, and that we are sort of a family here...Dysfunctional as we may be sometimes, we can count on each other when the chips are down!
Much love to all!!
xxx
Sandy

[nomorepanic]

The comments about my nan have been playing on my mind all last night and today and it has really hurt me I have to say.

I am feeling crap at the moment with all the stress so didn't need that - that is all I am saying

[SueBee]

I have to say, I'm disgusted at some of the comments on this thread. We are supposed to be a supportive community and to disregard some ones grief and suffering to make a point or prove you're right is abhorrent in my opinion.

This is a FREE site, kindly run and maintained by very few people, who are after all, sufferers themselves and give their time, whilst often struggling with their own issues to help others.

I'm sure if a member posted a similar scenario that Nic is dealing with right now and it was disregarded, then most members would be up in arms in their defence.

[suzy-sue]

Well said Sue .Im too angry to post properly ,but am absolutely digusted at the lack of Empathy Poppy showed Nic .When her own mother died she was given plenty of support ...There was no need for her to post after Nic had replied it was just plain bloodymindedness and nastiness .Totally and completely unecessary . :mad: sue

[allergyphobia]

I'm certainly not disregarding nics pain and hurt and the awful situation she is going through, and also how hard she works for this site. I am just saying I think she got confused when Jane was actually saying look, nic doesn't need another argument to sort out, she took it as we don't have the right to speak. I don't think it was callous and I don't see why every one is thinking that, can please some one explain what I'm missing - and please understand I'm being genuine not sarcastic, I must not be reading things properly. Sorry if I have caused offence to every one, I hope I've communicated my appreciation and support for Nic and especially this site, I will always stand up for No More Panic!

[nomorepanic]

Can we please not fall out over it anymore

My nan has died less than an hour ago so I don't want this to be a memory of her with everyone arguing over what was said etc.

Poppy has sent me an email which I will read tomorrow.

[Spongeballz]

So sorry to hear it Nic, I hope you pull through xxx

[Dahlia]

Hugs Nicola - thinking of you x

[allergyphobia]

I really wasn't trying to argue. Sorry for giving off the wrong impression. Very sad for you Nic RIP, she will be at peace now x

[paula lynne]

Sending you my thoughts and prayers Nicola.x
As you know, my nan was 97 when she died last December...I kind of thought shed go on and on if you know what I mean. I hope we can offer you the same support and comfort that I recieved when she passed, and help you through this very sad time. Please look after yourself and rely on your family and friends. So sorry for your loss. Love P x