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The NHS Track and Trace Covid-19 App
I just wondered what others thought about downloading the new app and its repercussions if you are absolutely terrified about contracting Covid..
It doesn't apply to me because I don't have the technology but for my daughter it would be another terror to live with..and she has enough to contend with as it is. Is it irresponsible not to download it but to still carry on going out and taking all the recommended precautions? I know that she wouldn't be able to go out if she downloaded it and for her this would be really detrimental to her already very fragile mental health.
What are you all going to do re the app? Please feel free to speak your mind re my decision to support my daughter on this.
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pulisa
I just wondered what others thought about downloading the new app and its repercussions if you are absolutely terrified about contracting Covid..
It doesn't apply to me because I don't have the technology but for my daughter it would be another terror to live with..and she has enough to contend with as it is. Is it irresponsible not to download it but to still carry on going out and taking all the recommended precautions? I know that she wouldn't be able to go out if she downloaded it and for her this would be really detrimental to her already very fragile mental health.
What are you all going to do re the app? Please feel free to speak your mind re my decision to support my daughter on this.
Well, I've downloaded it: the main inconvenience is going to be scanning QR codes at building entrances I suspect.
If not downloading it helps your daughter's mental health, I'd go with that. This is just an addition to the real issues of safe procedures anyway - hand washing, masks where needed, maintaining 'social distancing'. I certainly know of plenty of people who won't be downloading it.
Do what's best for you and your daughter, Pulisa.
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Hi
This is just a courtesy reply to let you know that your post was moved from its original place to a sub-forum that is more relevant to your issue.
This is nothing personal - it just enables us to keep posts about the same problems in the relevant forums so other members with any experience with the issues can find them more easily.
Please also read this post:
http://www.nomorepanic.co.uk/showthread.php?t=213239
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Sorry, Nic..I thought I'd added this thread to the Covid forum but obviously messed up!:)
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Pamplemousse
Well, I've downloaded it: the main inconvenience is going to be scanning QR codes at building entrances I suspect.
If not downloading it helps your daughter's mental health, I'd go with that. This is just an addition to the real issues of safe procedures anyway - hand washing, masks where needed, maintaining 'social distancing'. I certainly know of plenty of people who won't be downloading it.
Do what's best for you and your daughter, Pulisa.
I will do, PM and thank you. It will be interesting to see if this app makes a significant difference. It's still all down to trust and individual responsibility to do what is asked.
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Thanks for bringing this up Pulisa. I did touch on it fleetingly in the Covid discussion thread. Anyway I did download it yesterday with intent on using it. But my daughter asked me to remove it because it would only play on my anxiety. And in truth it will, probably a lot but that still doesn't stop me from feeling guilty. But then this afternoon on entering Spar where she works, she was wearing a visor but not a mask. I've so far been told to 'lighten up' and stop going on about covid. Somebody in the family has to though.
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Is a visor classed as a mask though? Is it down to personal choice and comfort if you have to wear it for hours on end? I'm not sure, Fishman.
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I’ve never understood the visors you be honest. You contract Covid-19 by inhaling viral spores, I don’t see what good a visor does without a nose and mouth covering.
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I think the visors are designed to stop the virus entering the mucous membranes via the eyes. I might be wrong though ? It seems that it can enter the respiratory tract that way. I think a visor without a mask isn't much good though, as that provides full coverage.
Regarding your query Pulisa - my feelings would be that it is personal choice. I think, to be honest, there are going to be people who don't own mobile phones (the elderly or those who make a lifestyle choice not to use them?), or don't download it....I suspect they can get enough data and enough positive behavioural change that makes a difference to the cases by having a certain percentage download and use it. I don't know what that percentage is however :winks: Mind, that is presuming it works and does its job at all, and that remains to be seen yet.........its a big IF.
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fishman65
Thanks for bringing this up Pulisa. I did touch on it fleetingly in the Covid discussion thread. Anyway I did download it yesterday with intent on using it. But my daughter asked me to remove it because it would only play on my anxiety. And in truth it will, probably a lot but that still doesn't stop me from feeling guilty. But then this afternoon on entering Spar where she works, she was wearing a visor but not a mask. I've so far been told to 'lighten up' and stop going on about covid. Somebody in the family has to though.
With regards your being told to 'lighten up' and to 'stop harping on about Covid', I think it's a very fine line between constant full-on panic about it and being laid back and lax about it.
A kind of 'damned if do, damned if don't' situation.
My parents both had their flu jabs this morning at our local GP surgery. I will be receiving mine in due course over the coming weeks as today's sessions were for over 65s only, which kind of makes sense.
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You might find "in due course" drags out a bit, Lencoboy. If I were you I'd get a private one done at a local chemist if you want one before next Summer...I'm paying £13 for mine.
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The app is fine been non-triggering for me. i guess ive come to accept if i want to live then i most likely will catch it and i most likely might die from it to but no matter what im not going to let it rule my life. When im in my room painting my art i forget it even exsists. So just try to relax carry on living they have got good drugs to help people recover and it may be a rocky experience but unless you have worse underlying conditions apart from anxiety then you should be fine. I was place in a covid area in a and e with severe anxiety and i didnt catch it and that was a very high risk situation with people metre away from me with it. so the tracker is very good and is beneficial in the sense it is a practical measure of safety
Keep safe stay strong!!!
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pulisa
You might find "in due course" drags out a bit, Lencoboy. If I were you I'd get a private one done at a local chemist if you want one before next Summer...I'm paying £13 for mine.
Exactly what I did a couple of days ago - no idea when my GP practice was planning to do it so I took matters into my own hands.
In the pharmacy consultation booth there's a plastic shield between you and the pharmacist, except for a slot big enough to lean your shoulder through for the injection to take place.
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.I suspect they can get enough data and enough positive behavioural change that makes a difference to the cases by having a certain percentage download and use it. I don't know what that percentage is however :winks: Mind, that is presuming it works and does its job at all, and that remains to be seen yet.........its a big IF.
Already it seems you can't enter a negative test result under certain conditions.
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Phoenixess
The app is fine been non-triggering for me. i guess ive come to accept if i want to live then i most likely will catch it and i most likely might die from it to but no matter what im not going to let it rule my life. When im in my room painting my art i forget it even exsists. So just try to relax carry on living they have got good drugs to help people recover and it may be a rocky experience but unless you have worse underlying conditions apart from anxiety then you should be fine. I was place in a covid area in a and e with severe anxiety and i didnt catch it and that was a very high risk situation with people metre away from me with it. so the tracker is very good and is beneficial in the sense it is a practical measure of safety
Keep safe stay strong!!!
I think that's what most of the general public now seem to be thinking and doing (for better or worse), where as IMO, it now seems to be both the authorities and the media doing most of the panicking, whereas earlier in the year it seemed to be more the general public and the media doing most of the panicking whilst the authorities seemed to be dragging their heels over it.
I still believe the first full nationwide lockdown in late March-May was necessary at the time and was imposed a fortnight too late IMO, though I still can't quite decide as to whether a second full-on nationwide lockdown would be a worthwhile endeavour at this moment in time, even though Boris has repeatedly up until now said he really doesn't want one, but might only happen as an absolute last resort, if all existing measures become exhausted.
I also doubt many people would stick to it this time round and I think there would be a fair amount of rebellion against it.
Let's face it, AFAIK, France and Spain (apart from Madrid) so far haven't imposed any second nationwide lockdowns and their daily cases still far exceed ours, though I'm more than happy to be proved wrong.
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Getting phone calls from the NHS and text messages asking me to download the app...
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Gary A
I’ve never understood the visors you be honest. You contract Covid-19 by inhaling viral spores, I don’t see what good a visor does without a nose and mouth covering.
Exactly Gary, the virus is aerosolised. A visor can protect you from larger droplets coughed or sneezed, but the microscopic will simply float under it. She won't wear a mask because it gives her spots so at least she has a very good reason.
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Exactly Gary, the virus is aerosolised. A visor can protect you from larger droplets coughed or sneezed, but the microscopic will simply float under it. She won't wear a mask because it gives her spots so at least she has a very good reason.
It only matters what the definition in law is. It's 'face covering' which a visor fits. The visors were meant for people who couldn't 'mask up'. Better than nothing. Besides, as Carys points out, they were telling us you can get it through the eyes too so a mask without goggles...
As to what's best medically, have they decided yet?
On another point, I'm still not seeing hardly any shoppers cleaning their hands. Till staff don't either. :doh:
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Question: How accurate is this app? Early apps were telling you if you entered the same shop as 'the infected' on the same day which is pointless.
Without some decent Googling the quality of this app (by news sites and the NHS) is poor. Since it tracks without a distance of another user signed up it would seem accurate between app users but what about others tracked? If they haven't tracked timings all you have is 'x people were in your Tesco with Covid on the same day as you' which is pointless.
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Lencoboy
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I also doubt many people would stick to it this time round and I think there would be a fair amount of rebellion against it.
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Perhaps the military will do a better job than The Met? How many more reports will we see of packed beaches and rammed streets in pub areas? It's not as if the authorities don't train for public dispersal and funneling...:doh:
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i downloaded it cause i thought downloading it was compulsory
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It's not compulsory, Whisper but strongly advised that the app is downloaded...if you have the technology, that is.
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MyNameIsTerry
Perhaps the military will do a better job than The Met? How many more reports will we see of packed beaches and rammed streets in pub areas? It's not as if the authorities don't train for public dispersal and funneling...:doh:
Then the serial Covidiots will be screaming 'police state', 'fascist/Nazi state', 'dictatorship', etc, even for being told to social distance and mask up in shops, etc. That's the trouble with a lot of people in this country, they have a habit of making a mountain out of a molehill and making a big drama out of nearly everything.
Perhaps those Covidiots who refuse point blank to co-operate with the current legislation and harp on about their human rights and the like being grossly violated should try living somewhere in the Middle East where there's 'real' dictatorship and be brutalised or even killed for the most trivial of misdemeanours, yet in this country the slightest inconvenience for even just a matter of minutes, such as wearing masks and social distancing whilst in shops is a major crisis situation for many!
I know I'm probably being a bit harsh by saying this but I do believe there are a lot of ungrateful people in this country who have no idea what 'real' hardship/
dictatorship is.
Though I suppose people will be far less inclined to be packing onto beaches and into parks etc en masse from now onwards given the fact it's starting to get colder.
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Hi Pulisa
I'm not downloading it. For one thing my phone won't support it and I don't want to get into advanced technology on my mobile.
I don't socialise anyway. No one has been in my home and not been in anyone else's. I don't have family to visit or work to attend and definitely don't go to the pub or eat out.
But apart from that, I wouldn't want to as it would affect my anxiety tenfold.
I've also heard that the App is not working as it should which brings more doubts.
But for you Pulisa, you should do what is best for the wellbeing of your family and yourself. xx
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I have downloaded it as I am a 'key worker' working in a school, so thought it would be irresponsible of me not to download it as I have a hundred little lives to think about too as well as the other staff
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Lencoboy
Then the serial Covidiots will be screaming 'police state', 'fascist/Nazi state', 'dictatorship', etc, even for being told to social distance and mask up in shops, etc. That's the trouble with a lot of people in this country, they have a habit of making a mountain out of a molehill and making a big drama out of nearly everything.
Perhaps those Covidiots who refuse point blank to co-operate with the current legislation and harp on about their human rights and the like being grossly violated should try living somewhere in the Middle East where there's 'real' dictatorship and be brutalised or even killed for the most trivial of misdemeanours, yet in this country the slightest inconvenience for even just a matter of minutes, such as wearing masks and social distancing whilst in shops is a major crisis situation for many!
Well, some of them will no doubt welcome this new political party being set up by David Kurten, formerly of UKIP.
https://www.heritageparty.org/manifesto/
Much denial of Covid and vaccines.
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Lencoboy
I know I'm probably being a bit harsh by saying this but I do believe there are a lot of ungrateful people in this country who have no idea what 'real' hardship/dictatorship is.
Of course they don't! There's a lot of crybabies here in the UK whose idea of a fascist regime is simply someone telling them to do something they don't want to do. Perhaps they'd like to go and live in Belarus for a short period? (Other dictatorships are available)
When they've fled Stalinism, Nazism or Pol Pot I'll listen to them. Otherwise they can get in the sea.
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I've also heard that the App is not working as it should which brings more doubts.
It had an update overnight, I think it now accepts a negative result from any source.
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Pamplemousse
Well, some of them will no doubt welcome this new political party being set up by David Kurten, formerly of UKIP.
https://www.heritageparty.org/manifesto/
Much denial of Covid and vaccines.
Of course they don't! There's
a lot of crybabies here in the UK whose idea of a fascist regime is simply someone telling them to do something they don't want to do. Perhaps they'd like to go and live in Belarus for a short period? (Other dictatorships are available)
When they've fled Stalinism, Nazism or Pol Pot I'll listen to them. Otherwise they can get in the sea.
Are the Heritage Party just another 'Brexit'-type party, who suddenly appeared out of nowhere in early 2019 but now seem to be going the way of the dodo in pretty much the same fashion as the more left-leaning Momentum?
Just another passing political fad probably doomed to failure?
Even UKIP and the BNP are now both
essentially pale shadows of their former selves and largely considered old hat, despite both being at a high point some 10 years ago, especially in the wake of the Global Financial Crisis, but never quite large enough to garner significant majorities in Parliament.
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Hi Pulisa
I'm not downloading it. For one thing my phone won't support it and I don't want to get into advanced technology on my mobile.
I don't socialise anyway. No one has been in my home and not been in anyone else's. I don't have family to visit or work to attend and definitely don't go to the pub or eat out.
But apart from that, I wouldn't want to as it would affect my anxiety tenfold.
I've also heard that the App is not working as it should which brings more doubts.
But for you Pulisa, you should do what is best for the wellbeing of your family and yourself. xx
Sometimes there's a silver lining from not being the life and soul of the party, isn't there?!:D I'm certainly not expecting any visitors to my house!!
Thanks for your good wishes..My daughter is going to hold off from downloading it for as long as she can and I hope that she doesn't cave in because as with you, it would just make life more of a challenge than it already is and I want her to continue to go to her farm safely xx
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Are the Heritage Party just another 'Brexit'-type party, who suddenly appeared out of nowhere in early 2019 but now seem to be going the way of the dodo in pretty much the same fashion as the more left-leaning Momentum?
Just another passing political fad probably doomed to failure?
Nope - this year, according to the Electoral Commission (but it is yet to be registered by them). Another party chasing the 'Gammon Vote' with some very dangerous views - just read their manifesto in full.
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I think that is a good decision Pulisa. For now, anyway. xx
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I retract my non trigger comment as now I received an email to download the app and my friend received a text message equally urging to download app! Both times I thought they were alerts that contact with an infected person had occurred. My mind is tripping all over the place at the moment about covid and flu jabs and colds. Argh!! I was doing fine until today
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Pamplemousse
Nope - this year, according to the Electoral Commission (but it is yet to be registered by them). Another party chasing the 'Gammon Vote' with some very dangerous views - just read their manifesto in full.
I think I'd rather not dare to read their manifesto.
Both Boris and Keir seriously need to put their feet down in order to keep this new hard-right party at bay, and not keep pussyfooting around the 'gammons'.
School teachers also need to put their feet down and educate impressionable youngsters properly about the potential perils of both misinformation and extremism, rather than simply shrugging it off as an inevitable fact of modern day life and in the name of 'free expression'.
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Hi Pulisa
I'm not downloading it. For one thing my phone won't support it and I don't want to get into advanced technology on my mobile.
I don't socialise anyway. No one has been in my home and not been in anyone else's. I don't have family to visit or work to attend and definitely don't go to the pub or eat out.
But apart from that, I wouldn't want to as it would affect my anxiety tenfold.
I've also heard that the App is not working as it should which brings more doubts.
But for you Pulisa, you should do what is best for the wellbeing of your family and yourself. xx
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Sometimes there's a silver lining from not being the life and soul of the party, isn't there?!:D I'm certainly not expecting any visitors to my house!!
Thanks for your good wishes..My daughter is going to hold off from downloading it for as long as she can and I hope that she doesn't cave in because as with you, it would just make life more of a challenge than it already is and I want her to continue to go to her farm safely xx
When they reduced groups to 6 I just laughed. I can't raise a group that large since my anxiety started as everyone I knew is in the past. :shrug:
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Phoenixess
I retract my non trigger comment as now I received an email to download the app and my friend received a text message equally urging to download app! Both times I thought they were alerts that contact with an infected person had occurred. My mind is tripping all over the place at the moment about covid and flu jabs and colds. Argh!! I was doing fine until today
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Yeah, I had one. It seems they are picking up anyone who has issued an email address to the NHS.
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Pamplemousse
Nope - this year, according to the Electoral Commission (but it is yet to be registered by them). Another party chasing the 'Gammon Vote' with some very dangerous views - just read their manifesto in full.
Gave up part way through. But sounds like they will be getting one vote from NMP :winks:
Also we've got Lol Fox starting up a 'people disagree with me so I'll go way over the top and start my own political party' party. :biggrin:
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Lencoboy
Then the serial Covidiots will be screaming 'police state', 'fascist/Nazi state', 'dictatorship', etc, even for being told to social distance and mask up in shops, etc. That's the trouble with a lot of people in this country, they have a habit of making a mountain out of a molehill and making a big drama out of nearly everything.
Perhaps those Covidiots who refuse point blank to co-operate with the current legislation and harp on about their human rights and the like being grossly violated should try living somewhere in the Middle East where there's 'real' dictatorship and be brutalised or even killed for the most trivial of misdemeanours, yet in this country the slightest inconvenience for even just a matter of minutes, such as wearing masks and social distancing whilst in shops is a major crisis situation for many!
I know I'm probably being a bit harsh by saying this but I do believe there are a lot of ungrateful people in this country who have no idea what 'real' hardship/
dictatorship is.
Though I suppose people will be far less inclined to be packing onto beaches and into parks etc en masse from now onwards given the fact it's starting to get colder.
Anyone claiming that should be instantly whacked over the head with Mallett's Mallet...just for our amusement. And then a plaster shoved on their mouths...again for our amusement.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/22/68...41b77cc642.jpg
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When they reduced groups to 6 I just laughed. I can't raise a group that large since my anxiety started as everyone I knew is in the past. :shrug:
I'm the same, Terry..I was never one for groups anyway.
I wonder how RentaCrowd is coping with the pandemic?:D
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I'm the same, Terry..I was never one for groups anyway.
I have long hated parties. I wasn't too bad up with them up to my late twenties and then in my mid-30s a switch just flipped and I rapidly grew to detest them. At one party - held after a major event I was heavily involved with - rather than attend the party I quietly excused myself and started packing the kit away on my own.