BBC harping on about censoring 'Fairytale Of New York' for the umpteenth time!

I don't understand why the BBC are bringing up this tired old chestnut once again. Fair enough them opting to censor the word 'faggot' to avoid causing offence to certain individuals, but why do they really need to keep making such a big deal out of it?
Just censor it or don't censor it, and keep it low-key, rather than make a song and dance over it (no pun intended)!!

Sounds like a bit of a publicity stunt to me, most ironic as today is hardly a slow news day in general.

I personally couldn't care less either way as to whether it's censored or not.

What I do find rather ironic is hardly anyone seems to bat an eyelid over the far stronger (and far more frequent) language in a lot of today's rap music and I would bet anyone a tenner that barely anyone would give so much of a damn if say, Eminem used the word 'faggot' in one of his songs in the same derogatory context.

A. A non-story from Aunty Beeb.

B. Double standards (re the latter paragraph).

/shrugs

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Originally Posted by Lencoboy

I don't understand why the BBC are bringing up this tired old chestnut once again. Fair enough them opting to censor the word 'faggot' to avoid causing offence to certain individuals, but why do they really need to keep making such a big deal out of it?
Just censor it or don't censor it, and keep it low-key, rather than make a song and dance over it (no pun intended)!!

Sounds like a bit of a publicity stunt to me, most ironic as today is hardly a slow news day in general.

I personally couldn't care less either way as to whether it's censored or not.

What I do find rather ironic is hardly anyone seems to bat an eyelid over the far stronger (and far more frequent) language in a lot of today's rap music and I would bet anyone a tenner that barely anyone would give so much of a damn if say, Eminem used the word 'faggot' in one of his songs in the same derogatory context.

A. A non-story from Aunty Beeb.

B. Double standards (re the latter paragraph).

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It's more the usual news outlets and their anti-BBC agenda are making a big song and dance over it.

So, to summarise: the youthful audience of R1 are the most likely to be offended.

The audience of R2 are more likely to say "what's the fuss about, FFS?"

The DJs of 6 Music can exercise their own choice.

See also, original version of Oliver's Army.

The Radio 1 demographic is "outraged" at the drop of a hat.

Do you like Eminem LB you must,you seem to know the lyrics :yesyes:he is tame compared to some hardcore rappers.

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Do you like Eminem LB you must,you seem to know the lyrics :yesyes:he is tame compared to some hardcore rappers.

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Can't stand him!

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The Radio 1 demographic is "outraged" at the drop of a hat.

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But they listen to drill music without batting as much of an eyelid, complete with all of its extreme profanities uttered multiple times and violent subject matter in general perhaps even including the word 'faggot' and various other 'slurs' in its own right.

But still get indignant over a tame-by-
comparison festive classic from 87.

Blatant hypocrisy IMO.

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Do you like Eminem LB you must,you seem to know the lyrics :yesyes:he is tame compared to some hardcore rappers.

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Like Vinnie Paz, Necro, and Ill Bill?

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But they listen to drill music without batting as much of an eyelid, complete with all of its extreme profanities uttered multiple times and violent subject matter in general perhaps even including the word 'faggot' and various other 'slurs' in its own right.

But still get indignant over a tame-by-
comparison festive classic from 87.

Blatant hypocrisy IMO.

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I don't hear much homophobia in UK Drill music. If an artist wants to make it mainstream like Stormzy, or Unknown T, then they can't go down that route. But, as you'll see in a moment they'll do any other crimes.

My brother is a UK Drill producer. He makes the beats for a lot of the UK Drill artists. He's not into the UK Drill lifestyle though. He just makes the music. His management deals with everything else.

I will say that UK Drill rappers generally do live the life they speak about. The scene itself is controlled by those that live the life they speak. Any rappers who don't live the life they speak get "jumped", or "caught slipping" (as they call it). They'll attack, stab and kill rappers who lie.

There's a Youtube channel called Ape Huncho. He's a young adult that covers all the events in the UK Drill scene. There's a lot of murders. A lot of rappers doing time for murder, county lines, child exploitation for drug running and dealing, and other criminal activities.

Take Dutchavelli for example. He's mainstream pop now, but he beat a murder case and brags in his music that he lied and got away with it. Another artist called Richie from Malistrip (Brixton) has murders to his name. They brag about their county lines and all sorts. Police often do use their music against them.

I like the beats. I'm not a fan of the rappers.

Here's the Ape Honcho channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnI...9j3WrAGyBUS5OA ... his voice can get a bit annoying but he does cover public cases in great detail.

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I don't hear much homophobia in UK Drill music. If an artist wants to make it mainstream like Stormzy, or Unknown T, then they can't go down that route. But, as you'll see in a moment they'll do any other crimes.

My brother is a UK Drill producer. He makes the beats for a lot of the UK Drill artists. He's not into the UK Drill lifestyle though. He just makes the music. His management deals with everything else.

I will say that UK Drill rappers generally do live the life they speak about. The scene itself is controlled by those that live the life they speak. Any rappers who don't live the life they speak get "jumped", or "caught slipping" (as they call it). They'll attack, stab and kill rappers who lie.

There's a Youtube channel called Ape Huncho. He's a young adult that covers all the events in the UK Drill scene. There's a lot of murders. A lot of rappers doing time for murder, county lines, child exploitation for drug running and dealing, and other criminal activities.

Take Dutchavelli for example. He's mainstream pop now, but he beat a murder case and brags in his music that he lied and got away with it. Another artist called Richie from Malistrip (Brixton) has murders to his name. They brag about their county lines and all sorts. Police often do use their music against them.

I like the beats. I'm not a fan of the rappers.

Here's the Ape Honcho channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnI...9j3WrAGyBUS5OA ... his voice can get a bit annoying but he does cover public cases in great detail.

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I personally find all of that far more objectionable than a festive favourite from 33 years ago that utters the name of a Mr Brain's dish just once, which is nothing by comparison.

I don't condone homophobia in any way, but I just can't understand why people get indignant about this song but couldn't care less about a lot of the gangsta-rap music hogging the charts with far more obnoxious attributes by comparison.

I think it's just the BBC/media regurgitating the same old outrage pretty much every Christmas season.

On a similar note, hardly anyone makes such a big deal out of Dire Straits' 1985 hit 'Money For Nothing' whose full-length version on the 'Brothers In Arms' album (and possibly also the 12'' single version) contains a verse with the word 'faggot'. And people still continue to purchase 'BIA' every year without getting into such a frenzy.

I'm a fan of the older music and I'm in total agreement that live bands playing in sync and rocking the stage is 100x better than this modern music.

Onto the homophobia though.

Things were very much different back in the old days (I feel old now!). Racism was huge, and being gay would have been a much more dangerous time to live. In those times it wasn't accepted as it is today by society. The country as a whole was devoutly religious. Christianity and Catholicism was practiced a lot more back then.

It wasn't only the black folk, or gay folk that got a hard time. Hippies were outcast by much of regular society. I know that's not exactly eh same as homophobia, but it shows a time when society was pretty much marching to the BBC drum. The television era.

Slowly that changed. I think it was the soaps in the early 90's that started to have gay characters on their shows. I remember the gay couple in Eastenders. I won't lie, I was disgusted seeing two men kiss back then. Today I'm not. I've learned since then.

There were a lot of people who accept gay relationships today that otherwise wouldn't have in the past.

With that said I don't think such music from the time should be censored, or looked down upload. It's a peice of history. A time when things were different.

My wife cleans for an old guy who is set in his ways. He's 88 and hates Indians, black people, gay people, mixed raced people, religious people. But, he's ace to speak to. He has a lot of stories from when he lived in South Africa, and was in the war. I don't think a person should be discredited for their views. It's their opinion and one I don't agree with.

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My wife cleans for an old guy who is set in his ways. He's 88 and hates Indians, black people, gay people, mixed raced people, religious people. But, he's ace to speak to. He has a lot of stories from when he lived in South Africa, and was in the war. I don't think a person should be discredited for their views. It's their opinion and one I don't agree with.

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Sometimes being a cvnt isn't an opinion, it's just being a cvnt.

^ anal :roflmao:

Looks like someone is making a stereotypical connection :ohmy::blush:

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I'm a fan of the older music and I'm in total agreement that live bands playing in sync and rocking the stage is 100x better than this modern music.

Onto the homophobia though.

Things were very much different back in the old days (I feel old now!). Racism was huge, and being gay would have been a much more dangerous time to live. In those times it wasn't accepted as it is today by society. The country as a whole was devoutly religious. Christianity and Catholicism was practiced a lot more back then.

It wasn't only the black folk, or gay folk that got a hard time. Hippies were outcast by much of regular society. I know that's not exactly eh same as homophobia, but it shows a time when society was pretty much marching to the BBC drum. The television era.

Slowly that changed. I think it was the soaps in the early 90's that started to have gay characters on their shows. I remember the gay couple in Eastenders. I won't lie, I was disgusted seeing two men kiss back then. Today I'm not. I've learned since then.

There were a lot of people who accept gay relationships today that otherwise wouldn't have in the past.

With that said I don't think such music from the time should be censored, or looked down upload. It's a piece of history. A time when things were different.

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I think that's partially correct (IMO) because religion wasn't big to my knowledge back then. The CofE was long joked about as the church you just bring a can of fruit to the harvest festival and ignore the rest of the year. Different for Catholics as their church is a lot more demanding.

I think gay relationships were testing societal norms more than religious influence. Just the same with feminism, it was just not the way people grew up and many never set foot in a church. We have moved from a man's world where you can't cry and drink 20 pints a night.

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I personally find all of that far more objectionable than a festive favourite from 33 years ago that utters the name of a Mr Brain's dish just once, which is nothing by comparison.

I don't condone homophobia in any way, but I just can't understand why people get indignant about this song but couldn't care less about a lot of the gangsta-rap music hogging the charts with far more obnoxious attributes by comparison.

I think it's just the BBC/media regurgitating the same old outrage pretty much every Christmas season.

On a similar note, hardly anyone makes such a big deal out of Dire Straits' 1985 hit 'Money For Nothing' whose full-length version on the 'Brothers In Arms' album (and possibly also the 12'' single version) contains a verse with the word 'faggot'. And people still continue to purchase 'BIA' every year without getting into such a frenzy.

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There is a very simple fix: the original band declare themselves themselves somewhere on the LGBTQIA+ ever expanding spectrum then they can say it's 'reclaiming' the word and the BBC will be afraid not to play it. :roflmao:

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Sometimes being a cvnt isn't an opinion, it's just being a cvnt.

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Aw, now come on, hasn't Jeremy Corbyn had a rough enough week without this? :biggrin:

Isn’t “faggot” some type of meat over there?

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Like Vinnie Paz, Necro, and Ill Bill?

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Yep :yesyes:Necro and his bro,I’ll Bill are on my party mix.:winks:

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Aw, now come on, hasn't Jeremy Corbyn had a rough enough week without this? :biggrin:

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Terrence old chap, this is the 21st century right? I'm sick and bloody tired of 'hate' being normalised under the guise of 'opinion'.


If you 'hate' people because they're not the same as you...? No. Humanity needs to grow out of this outdated bullcrap. I don't care if you're 88 or 18.

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Terrence old chap, this is the 21st century right? I'm sick and bloody tired of 'hate' being normalised under the guise of 'opinion'.

If you 'hate' people because they're not the same as you...? No. Humanity needs to grow out of this outdated bullcrap. I don't care if you're 88 or 18.

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I understand your perspective Joe. In my opinion with the older generation it's what they know from when they grew up. My Nan is the same even though my brother is mixed raced - but she loves him a lot. There are a lot of things that are still hard to accept in society. I'm scared to say them in case I get slated. Feminism is one of them. Our generation are going to the be the ones against AI when we're in our 70's, while the younger generation happily consumer their virtual realities.

But I do think if you have an opinion on race, gender, religion or w/e that's negative you should say nothing.

The older generation are WELL AWARE of the saying: If you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all. They were the ones teaching this when I was growing up.

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Isn’t “faggot” some type of meat over there?

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It has numerous meanings here: the more modern one is a pork dish of Black Country origin, usually served with peas.

An older one is that of a tightly-bound bundle of sticks that sometimes has constructional uses - for example, to stabilise the marshy wetlands at the edge of what was Whittlesea Mere before the Fens were drained, faggots were used in the construction of the Great Northern Railway as it headed south from Yaxley to Holme on its way towards London back in the 1850s.

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Terrence old chap, this is the 21st century right? I'm sick and bloody tired of 'hate' being normalised under the guise of 'opinion'.


If you 'hate' people because they're not the same as you...? No. Humanity needs to grow out of this outdated bullcrap. I don't care if you're 88 or 18.

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Hear! Hear!

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I understand your perspective Joe. In my opinion with the older generation it's what they know from when they grew up. My Nan is the same even though my brother is mixed raced - but she loves him a lot. There are a lot of things that are still hard to accept in society. I'm scared to say them in case I get slated. Feminism is one of them. Our generation are going to the be the ones against AI when we're in our 70's, while the younger generation happily consumer their virtual realities.

But I do think if you have an opinion on race, gender, religion or w/e that's negative you should say nothing.

The older generation are WELL AWARE of the saying: If you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all. They were the ones teaching this when I was growing up.

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J, the older generation were brought up with differences just as much as we were.

My Nan was racist, and coincidentally (or not) she was also an *******.

Your explanation was that he 'hated' these people because of their differences, and that's not ok no matter how old you are. Ancient tribalism and scarcity of resources is over. We need to evolve out of this bullshit. The world is only too small because of this divisive political environment we've been living in for decades.

Can we not just start viewing racism and homophobia as a fvcking sickness instead respecting it as an opinion?

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Terrence old chap, this is the 21st century right? I'm sick and bloody tired of 'hate' being normalised under the guise of 'opinion'.


If you 'hate' people because they're not the same as you...? No. Humanity needs to grow out of this outdated bullcrap. I don't care if you're 88 or 18.

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Agreed. But I was making a joke about a politician.

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Isn’t “faggot” some type of meat over there?

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Yep, as Pamplemousse explained. It's Brain's Faggots many will have seen.

I've always wondered about the homophobic slur and whether it's something seen in some regions because it's just never heard around here. There have always been plenty of others used more regularly. I wonder if it's part of American influence because it's a commonly used one over there? (maybe more it's shortened version)

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J, the older generation were brought up with differences just as much as we were.

My Nan was racist, and coincidentally (or not) she was also an *******.

Your explanation was that he 'hated' these people because of their differences, and that's not ok no matter how old you are. Ancient tribalism and scarcity of resources is over. We need to evolve out of this bullshit. The world is only too small because of this divisive political environment we've been living in for decades.

Can we not just start viewing racism and homophobia as a fvcking sickness instead respecting it as an opinion?

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I agree it's disgusting in any form.

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Nail on the head :yesyes:

For @Lolalee1, a recipe.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/t...h_faggot_22530

The above is a more traditional recipe, the offal content is much reduced now.

The well-known shop one; https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/...brains-4s-439g

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I'm a fan of the older music and I'm in total agreement that live bands playing in sync and rocking the stage is 100x better than this modern music.

Onto the homophobia though.

Things were very much different back in the old days (I feel old now!). Racism was huge, and being gay would have been a much more dangerous time to live. In those times it wasn't accepted as it is today by society. The country as a whole was devoutly religious. Christianity and Catholicism was practiced a lot more back then.

It wasn't only the black folk, or gay folk that got a hard time. Hippies were outcast by much of regular society. I know that's not exactly eh same as homophobia, but it shows a time when society was pretty much marching to the BBC drum. The television era.

Slowly that changed. I think it was the soaps in the early 90's that started to have gay characters on their shows. I remember the gay couple in Eastenders. I won't lie, I was disgusted seeing two men kiss back then. Today I'm not. I've learned since then.

There were a lot of people who accept gay relationships today that otherwise wouldn't have in the past.

With that said I don't think such music from the time should be censored, or looked down upload. It's a peice of history. A time when things were different.

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You forgot to mention us Aspies and people with disabilities in general were often treated like crap and outcasts of society, which gradually (and thankfully) started to lessen from the early 90s onwards.

'Spaz-bashing' used to be quite commonplace up until the first half of the 90s, and we often had to learn to act 'normal' whilst out in public and if we ended up on the receiving end of a good kicking and name-calling for not behaving 'normally' we were often told that we probably 'asked for it', and the cruel bullying barstewards who picked on us usually got off scot-free!

The charity 'The Spastics Society' changed its name to 'Scope' back in the early 90s (I think). And quite rightly so!!

Whilst on a similar topic, I wonder how the Oasis song 'Cigarettes And Alcohol' would be received if released as a brand new single today?

I seem to recall in the run-up to the festive season back in 1996, just over a year after their mega-blockbusting 'Morning Glory' album, they released two CD box sets with each containing all of the CD singles from each of their first two albums, and the outer packaging of each set was a parody of B&H cigarette packets, one was silver and the other gold.

That would be virtually unthinkable nowadays, but also of course, CDs are mostly considered old hat and uncool to the yoof of today!

Back then in 96 I seem to recall smoking almost being de-rigueur amongst many teenagers, and barely anyone seemed to bat an eyelid at the time.

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You forgot to mention us Aspies and people with disabilities in general were often treated like crap and outcasts of society, which gradually (and thankfully) started to lessen from the early 90s onwards.

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The charity 'The Spastics Society' changed its name to 'Scope' back in the early 90s (I think). And quite rightly so!!

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1994. And in my mate's part of North London, "spackers" became "scopers" overnight.

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Back then in 96 I seem to recall smoking almost being de-rigueur amongst many teenagers, and barely anyone seemed to bat an eyelid at the time.

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A few years later I started trying cigarettes. My Dad became so frustrated with trying to stop me that he just let me carry on.

If I found out my son was smoking I'd remove his computer, console and toys. He would be grounded ... in his bed. I would probably feed him so many truths on cigarettes in the form of books, videos, cancer stories etc. If my Dad had done that with me I'd have quit immediately. On the positive side my Dad had us sometimes stay at my uncles for a weekend when we annoyed him. They were drug heroin and crack addicts. Seeing drugs and what they do first hand made me never touch any drug apart from cannabis. He knew what he was doing, and later told us he was ensuring we seen that s**t first hand. He never touched drugs himself and didn't want us to either.

But on the flip side I watched my Grandad die from alcoholism. That didn't stop me turning into an alcoholic myself.

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You forgot to mention us Aspies and people with disabilities in general were often treated like crap and outcasts of society, which gradually (and thankfully) started to lessen from the early 90s onwards.

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Except that my autistic son is 11 and the lovely parents of neurotypical children did their utmost to have him expelled. 'Witch-hunt' was the term the headteacher used..

People are ignorant and judgemental @rseholes when it comes to autism - even now.

I got my diagnosis in 2016 and a few weeks later my step-daughter removed herself from my life taking my step-grandson with her.

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Except that my autistic son is 11 and the lovely parents of neurotypical children did their utmost to have him expelled. 'Witch-hunt' was the term the headteacher used..

People are ignorant and judgemental @rseholes when it comes to autism - even now.

I got my diagnosis in 2016 and a few weeks later my step-daughter removed herself from my life taking my step-grandson with her.

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That's pretty disgusting that your stepdaughter and step grandson disowned you because you were suddenly diagnosed with a previously 'hidden' disability.

I agree that people are still ignorant and judgemental today, especially the brigade who wish to bring back school corporal punishment, give parents/ husbands carte blanche to whack errant children/wives with belts, footwear, kitchen utensils, etc, with impunity over seemingly trivial matters, bring back borstals and mental institutions, bring back the death sentence, scrap the smoking bans because they're adamant passive smoking never did past generations of non-smokers any harm.

The typical Farageites.

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I don't know for certain because she's never answered my messages asking why she rejected me (after ten years of knowing me) - so I can only presume that my diagnosis changes things for her. My step-grandson was a few months old at the time - he didn't have a choice in it.

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I agree that people are still ignorant and judgemental today, especially the brigade who wish to bring back school corporal punishment, give parents/ husbands carte blanche to whack errant children/wives with belts

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Smacking has been banned in Scotland now and the whole of the UK will surely follow? I was smacked as a child - it was the norm - but it never hurt as much as withdrawal of privileges.

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I don't know for certain because she's never answered my messages asking why she rejected me (after ten years of knowing me) - so I can only presume that my diagnosis changes things for her. My step-grandson was a few months old at the time - he didn't have a choice in it.



Smacking has been banned in Scotland now and the whole of the UK will surely follow? I was smacked as a child - it was the norm - but it never hurt as much as withdrawal of privileges.

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Well you were obviously lucky in the sense that your being smacked as a child hurt less than withdrawal of privileges.

When I was a kid, especially at the residential school I attended, slaps were often doled out to kids willy-nilly, and often for seemingly trivial matters, such as accidentally dropping things, soiling themselves or vomiting on the spot when refused to let go to the toilet by staff, and of course, in the case of us Aspies, for stimming, as if it was crime of the century back in 1986.

In fact, I was even sent swimming as a punishment with the Thursday group at the big pool which was hosted by that sadistic barsteward who ducked me under the water in my usual Monday swimming group which was in turn as a punishment for 'grassing' him up to my parents about his rough treatment of us pupils, especially in and around swimming pools, baths and showers. I really hope karma strikes you hard one day you evil man Mr Norton!!

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Whilst on a similar topic, I wonder how the Oasis song 'Cigarettes And Alcohol' would be received if released as a brand new single today?

I seem to recall in the run-up to the festive season back in 1996, just over a year after their mega-blockbusting 'Morning Glory' album, they released two CD box sets with each containing all of the CD singles from each of their first two albums, and the outer packaging of each set was a parody of B&H cigarette packets, one was silver and the other gold.

That would be virtually unthinkable nowadays, but also of course, CDs are mostly considered old hat and uncool to the yoof of today!

Back then in 96 I seem to recall smoking almost being de-rigueur amongst many teenagers, and barely anyone seemed to bat an eyelid at the time.

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I don't think people would care that much given drinking culture is still part of UK society. It is dropping off in younger generations but the pubs are still packed with them and students seem to enjoy the nightlife.

Maybe the cigs would be replaced with an e version as an update? But I doubt either would create some backlash to a band that was in your face. Much more contentious stuff is covered isn't it?

NWA were the big thing when I was at school. Controversial means clicks now too.

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I don't think people would care that much given drinking culture is still part of UK society. It is dropping off in younger generations but the pubs are still packed with them and students seem to enjoy the nightlife.

Maybe the cigs would be replaced with an e version as an update? But I doubt either would create some backlash to a band that was in your face. Much more contentious stuff is covered isn't it?

NWA were the big thing when I was at school. Controversial means clicks now too.

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Perhaps you're right Terry, that a lot of 'controversial' stuff has now already been done to death and probably will never have the same impact it once had, neither for nor against.

I reckon NWA must have been one of the 'drill' music equivalents of the late 80s-early 90s era. G'N'R, Metallica, Nirvana, Rage Against The Machine, etc, were the edgy rock acts of the late 80s-mid 90s era, and of course Prince also had his edgy moments during that same era.

As for the young drinking culture, it does generally seem less prevalent now compared to say, 15-20 years ago (and before), and I remember there were numerous moral panics ripping through society during the first half of the noughties about the so-called 'binge drinking' epidemics, epitomised in docs such as 'Booze Britain', 'Bouncers', etc.

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Well you were obviously lucky in the sense that your being smacked as a child hurt less than withdrawal of privileges.

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That's because my parents didn't put much power behind the smack because, in their hearts, they didn't want to hurt me. My mother and her sisters got a belt across their backsides when they were children (albeit little sods according to my Nan). Shocking now right? But punishments like that were acceptable then and the further back in history you go, the worse it gets.

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When I was a kid, especially at the residential school I attended, slaps were often doled out to kids willy-nilly, and often for seemingly trivial matters, such as accidentally dropping things, soiling themselves or vomiting on the spot when refused to let go to the toilet by staff, and of course, in the case of us Aspies, for stimming, as if it was crime of the century back in 1986.

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Makes me angry just reading about it Len...:mad:

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In fact, I was even sent swimming as a punishment with the Thursday group at the big pool which was hosted by that sadistic barsteward who ducked me under the water in my usual Monday swimming group which was in turn as a punishment for 'grassing' him up to my parents about his rough treatment of us pupils, especially in and around swimming pools, baths and showers. I really hope karma strikes you hard one day you evil man Mr Norton!!

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Just goes back what I've said about abusive people seeking to work with vulnerable kids...

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Originally Posted by NoraB

That's because my parents didn't put much power behind the smack because, in their hearts, they didn't want to hurt me. My mother and her sisters got a belt across their backsides when they were children (albeit little sods according to my Nan). Shocking now right? But punishments like that were acceptable then and the further back in history you go, the worse it gets.



Makes me angry just reading about it Len...:mad:



Just goes back what I've said about abusive people seeking to work with vulnerable kids...

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Definitely.

I wonder how many abusive people still work with vulnerable kids now in these more enlightened times, compared to back in the 80s (and before), especially considering abuse was far easier to administer and to get away with back then.

Quite a few of the punishments I was on the receiving end of at that particular residential school were bizarre, especially being made to go swimming with that odious Mr Norton, and also be bathed by him, both as a punishment for giggling when other kids deliberately said or did things to make me laugh, which was a form of bullying in itself!

Mr Norton wasn't a teacher per se, his role was a residential social worker (group leader) in the residential dept at said school. Mine was a female, who admitted to not believing in corporal punishment when I once asked her why she never smacked us, but she was still more than willing to get Mr Norton to dish out the good hidings and other oddball treatments of us errant kids, even as late as mid-1988 when I left said school, two years after CP was made illegal in all UK state schools. She even seemed to give him permission to dunk me under the water in the swimming pool within full eyeshot of herself!

These days I often have fantasies in my head about having punch-ups in a boxing ring with Mr Norton at my age now (43), and me knocking the barsteward for six, even though I don't normally like violence and aggression!