disappointed with nmp about some issues , let me explain

I'm going to be brave and tell you that I do not believe in covid-19.I don't believe it because I am what you call a conspiracy theorist , but i don't care it is my belief .

I'm disappointed with nmp because I need support with my anxiety which is sky high because of the lockdowns, the everyday in my face covid related fear being instilled in me if I let it .I feel that covid believers on here want me to explain and I don't want to , I don't have to and I don't and won't change my mind .

I know most on here are believers in covid and the vaccines and whatever else goes with it all , but I have a right to my opinion I have a right to not believe it and I do not have to explain why I don't believe it all .

I have been looking in on the forum quite a lot , just to see if there are any others on here who do not believe in covid.
I'd really love to know there are people who feel the same , but are struggling with their anxiety not out of fear of covid , but the impact it is all having on them .

I don't want questioning about my belief thank you , I would like to find support from others who feel the same as I do and just knowing others believe the same thing would be a good start to my selfish self feeling better .

Please don't reply to this thread if you intend to question me or brow beat me about why I don't believe in covid , because I don't have to explain , I am a free thinking human being and as I respect those who believe in covid I would like the same respect back thanks . Peace and love to you all whatever you believe .

Well covid is real so I won't go on about that but why do you think NMP has let you down?

It isn't real to me and this is my point. NMP has let me down because there are no threads to support those of us who do not believe in covid. It seems just like the so called virus it has take over everyone and everything.

There should be a balance , just like with those who believe in medications to those who do not believe in them .

You can't force people to agree with you, though. Yours is a very unusual opinion, therefore it may be harder to find people who share it.

I don't know of anyone else that doesn't think it is real. You can't criticise NMP for that though.

The reason there are no threads is because you may be the only one on here that doesn't believe in it but how does that mean NMP has let you down?

We haven't deleted any threads about non-believers so maybe that is because you are in a minority.

I don't think you can say that is an issue with NMP though.

I agree with you entirely , but I know there are people who do not believe i covid and i think its important for them to share their belief with those who are of the same mind.
My opinion is not unusual at all , there are millions of us who don't believe in covid.

I imagine there are no threads because those who dont believe in covid have been jumped upon just like I have in other threads , I actually left here one day feeling so down I went into a deep depression .
I am faulting NMP because there is no thread to encourage anyone who may be sat at home wanting support during this time , it isn't just covid if you believe in covid that causes depression and anxiety symptoms , it is the impact of what the lockdown and the constant depressing daily messages we get through the media .
If there is no thread to help support those who might not believe but are struggling related to it all then it is the fault of NMP .

It was brave of you to write the post. There have been a few people here who don’t believe in covid-19, but they aren’t here at the moment.

We all have opinions, yours just happens to be wrong. However, that doesn’t mean you aren’t allowed to ask for help with your anxiety. Maybe you could frame your question in a way that doesn’t show your opinion of covid? By maybe just asking for advice?

I will point out that a lot of conspiracy theorists have anxiety, and it’s that anxiety that has forced them to find different excuses for the things that scare them. That said, We’re unlikely to believe your theories and you’re unlikely to listen to reason. Unless you are?


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My opinion is right because I believe what I believe, i said I respect others belief but you have just been very rude to me by saying my opinion is wrong lol.

As for your theory of people who believe in conspiracy theories suffering anxiety that again is rude. How dare you say this to someone on an anxiety forum . Would you like it if I told you that the people who believe in covid are brainwashed daily by the media who keep telling them they're going to die and how about the fact you probably wear a mask out of fear of getting a virus that I don't believe in .
You see the reason why it is NMP at fault by letting people like you accuse other members of being wrong and having anxiety from their beliefs .
Would you listen to my theories as to why I believe covid is a lie ?

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It was brave of you to write the post. There have been a few people here who don’t believe in covid-19, but they aren’t here at the moment.

We all have opinions, yours just happens to be wrong. However, that doesn’t mean you aren’t allowed to ask for help with your anxiety. Maybe you could frame your question in a way that doesn’t show your opinion of covid? By maybe just asking for advice?

I will point out that a lot of conspiracy theorists have anxiety, and it’s that anxiety that has forced them to find different excuses for the things that scare them. That said, We’re unlikely to believe your theories and you’re unlikely to listen to reason. Unless you are?


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We all have opinions, yours just happens to be wrong. However,

Maybe this is why those who don't believe in the virus don't post here anymore , its very worrying if they have stopped posting because they are told they are wrong for their beliefs .

Are you saying it's never good to tell people they're wrong? Kids have died because their parents didn't believe in modern medicine - I can give examples once I'm not on my phone.

Heck, if I'm factually wrong about something I'd rather know.

Sorry but this is not about NMP.


You could have titled your post "need support from like minded people who don't believe in covid" or simply "really struggling during lockdown and need some support"

You can get support for your anxiety/depression or whataver but that does not have to include covid at all.

Just ask for help but don't say it is the fault of my forum.

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We all have opinions, yours just happens to be wrong.

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Maybe if you have the attitude that everyone else's opinion is wrong and you voice it in that fashion then people will get annoyed and 'jump on you'

You cannot moan at people and this forum when you are doing exactly the same as what you are complaining about!!

You say that people do not listen to your opinion yet you are not listening to their opinion and telling them that they are wrong

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noun: opinion; plural noun: opinions


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a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
"that, in my opinion, is right"

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Opinions are just that, they are not facts.... they are what you personally feel about something.... you cannot tell people that their opinion is wrong as they have every right to have a different opinion to that of your own.

Hey FTL

How are you? Hey don't apologize for your beliefs. I won't exactly put it like you do...that I don't believe in covid. I think a virus exists (just like any other flu type of virus) but at the same time I don't agree with any of the so called remedies. I don't believe masks do any good. I don't wear one. I absolutely don't believe lockdowns do any good at all. In fact they are extremely destructive to society. The fear mongering has been off the charts insane leading to serious mental illness for many. The latest thing for people to do when they don't agree with you is call you a conspiracy theorist. It's a way to marginalize you. It just rolls off me. Doesn't faze my one iota. Covid 19 has been weaponized to drive an agenda. That's so plain to see it's not funny. So don't feel bad about your opinions...they have merit even if others (and not everyone) don't agree with them.

N.

"I'm disappointed that I can't see confirmation bias wherever I look" - would be a better thread title.

Covid isn't about 'belief'. It's not a religion or theory. It's provable, testable stone cold fact.

If you don't believe in it, it's because you're misinformed. I know people it has killed and I know one person it has stolen nearly a year from very well. He is an ex paramedic, an ex UN negotiator and has just completed his third TED talk. He had it, it fvcked him. A year later he is still struggling and it nearly killed him again a couple of months ago from long covid complications (stroke from blood clot).

Like I said, you are extremely, extremely misinformed and your 'belief' is dangerous.

i work in a hospital and i can vouch for the virus being real, there are people still on machines helping them to breathe, due to the virus mixed in with other health conditions.

i'm stating a fact of what is happening where i work.

Here is a very well written piece from an extremely valid source - look at his background. Articles like this can help people understand the realities of what is occuring with covid 19.

https://outline.com/wckWcs

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Maybe if you have the attitude that everyone else's opinion is wrong and you voice it in that fashion then people will get annoyed and 'jump on you'

You cannot moan at people and this forum when you are doing exactly the same as what you are complaining about!!

You say that people do not listen to your opinion yet you are not listening to their opinion and telling them that they are wrong



Opinions are just that, they are not facts.... they are what you personally feel about something.... you cannot tell people that their opinion is wrong as they have every right to have a different opinion to that of your own.

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Yes, I agree VBJ...that "you happen to be wrong" comment was a little too direct lol...without provacation that is!:) I had to put that caveat in.:winks:

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My opinion is right because I believe what I believe, i said I respect others belief but you have just been very rude to me by saying my opinion is wrong lol.

As for your theory of people who believe in conspiracy theories suffering anxiety that again is rude. How dare you say this to someone on an anxiety forum . Would you like it if I told you that the people who believe in covid are brainwashed daily by the media who keep telling them they're going to die and how about the fact you probably wear a mask out of fear of getting a virus that I don't believe in .
You see the reason why it is NMP at fault by letting people like you accuse other members of being wrong and having anxiety from their beliefs .
Would you listen to my theories as to why I believe covid is a lie ?

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Yes I would, FTL..Why do you believe Covid is a lie?

I think the danger in claiming Sars Cov2 doesn't exist is dangerous on many levels. The ability for people to question this is obviously enabled by the fact we cannot perceive it with any of our senses. But are people dying from it not evidence enough? Of course we could travel back in history and make the same claims about other pandemics. Was the 1918/19 Spanish Flu a real virus or a global 'reset'? And if the latter, what exactly was reset? And did those millions die from a non-existent virus too?

It mystifies me though why some of us have this need to manipulate an entirely natural entity and get it to 'fit' into some kind of human grand plan. It's like we are petrified that something so small and so random that has cut such a swathe through our species, frightens us to the point where we feel the need to deny its very existence. So it must ​be some kind of plot. That feels much safer doesn't it.

So I'm claustrophobic. Big time. I have a problem going in automatic car washes, basements, elevators, trains, airplanes, sometimes even cars... My fears are irrational. The chances of me dying a horrible crushing death from the fluffer in the automatic car wash are very, very, very slim. Should I be told that my fears are okay? Should I be told that it's alright to think I'm going to die when I take the elevator?

That's basically what you're asking people to do to you with your ideas of covid. You're wanting us to say, "It's okay you don't believe in covid" I'm sorry, but that's irresponsible. Just like allowing me to delude myself into thinking the car wash is going to crush and drown me. It's not. I have to try to accept that and work on my issues.

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So I'm claustrophobic. Big time. I have a problem going in automatic car washes, basements, elevators, trains, airplanes, sometimes even cars... My fears are irrational. The chances of me dying a horrible crushing death from the fluffer in the automatic car wash are very, very, very slim. Should I be told that my fears are okay? Should I be told that it's alright to think I'm going to die when I take the elevator?

That's basically what you're asking people to do to you with your ideas of covid. You're wanting us to say, "It's okay you don't believe in covid" I'm sorry, but that's irresponsible. Just like allowing me to delude myself into thinking the car wash is going to crush and drown me. It's not. I have to try to accept that and work on my issues.

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this ^

i'm scared of burning to death in a fire, is it okay for me to not take precautions when doing anything with heat? thats another example about taking precautions.

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Originally Posted by feelthelove

My opinion is right because I believe what I believe, i said I respect others belief but you have just been very rude to me by saying my opinion is wrong lol.

As for your theory of people who believe in conspiracy theories suffering anxiety that again is rude. How dare you say this to someone on an anxiety forum . Would you like it if I told you that the people who believe in covid are brainwashed daily by the media who keep telling them they're going to die and how about the fact you probably wear a mask out of fear of getting a virus that I don't believe in .
You see the reason why it is NMP at fault by letting people like you accuse other members of being wrong and having anxiety from their beliefs .
Would you listen to my theories as to why I believe covid is a lie ?

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That doesn’t mean your opinion is right, it just means it’s your opinion.

I dare suggest someone on an anxiety forum has anxiety because it’s an anxiety forum. And ignoring the brainwashed comment, I wear a mask to protect others, not myself. That’s the point of masks.

It’s not NMP’s fault that you seem an awful lot like a troll. I believe you could have worded your post very differently and got lots of help and support. We’re all finding lockdown tough, our anxiety is heightened and we’re on edge and nervous. However I think you’d probably argue with any advice you were given too.


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We are entitled to our own opinions.

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:yesyes: Facts are facts, deaths are deaths - doctors, nurses and scientists are to be trusted. I can't get my head around how anyone could think the whole world is in on this 'conspiracy' ?

Oh Pamplemousse, I've just quoted you and you've deleted ?

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:yesyes: Facts are facts, deaths are deaths - doctors, nurses and scientists are to be trusted. I can't get my head around how anyone could think the whole world is in on this 'conspiracy' ?

Oh Pamplemousse, I've just quoted you and you've deleted ?

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Ah, don't worry about it....

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I'm going to be brave and tell you that I do not believe in covid-19.

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WOW! Just WOW! Tell that to my uncle! I truly have no words. Admin. Please delete this thread! It's an insult to anyone that has half a brain!

FMP

I lost my uncle as well FMP.

I want to see how this pans out as we are all allowed an opinion so the thread will stay for now. I really want to understand why people don't believe in Covid.

The OP is not alone in their assertion that Covid doesn't exist - I've met similar IRL but ask them why they believe it doesn't exist and some become extremely defensive - usually along the lines of "it's my belief and I don't have to explain it to you."

I think for some it's a coping mechanism - denying its existence means it can't harm them.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but for goodness sake you are deluded, so how have these thousands and thousands of people died 🤔 trust me its real l see it everyday, now stop being ridiculous and get your head out your arse its real Oh that's just my opinion 😁

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The OP is not alone in their assertion that Covid doesn't exist - I've met similar IRL but ask them why they believe it doesn't exist and some become extremely defensive - usually along the lines of "it's my belief and I don't have to explain it to you."

I think for some it's a coping mechanism - denying its existence means it can't harm them.

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Well said, PM. I'd really like to hear why you believe what you do, FTL. Do you think it's a coping mechanism when you can't be certain of anything any more? Is being defensive a way for you to keep mentally afloat? Is it working?

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Originally Posted by feelthelove

I'm going to be brave and tell you that I do not believe in covid-19.I don't believe it because I am what you call a conspiracy theorist , but i don't care it is my belief .

I'm disappointed with nmp because I need support with my anxiety which is sky high because of the lockdowns, the everyday in my face covid related fear being instilled in me if I let it .I feel that covid believers on here want me to explain and I don't want to , I don't have to and I don't and won't change my mind .

I know most on here are believers in covid and the vaccines and whatever else goes with it all , but I have a right to my opinion I have a right to not believe it and I do not have to explain why I don't believe it all .

I have been looking in on the forum quite a lot , just to see if there are any others on here who do not believe in covid.
I'd really love to know there are people who feel the same , but are struggling with their anxiety not out of fear of covid , but the impact it is all having on them .

I don't want questioning about my belief thank you , I would like to find support from others who feel the same as I do and just knowing others believe the same thing would be a good start to my selfish self feeling better .

Please don't reply to this thread if you intend to question me or brow beat me about why I don't believe in covid , because I don't have to explain , I am a free thinking human being and as I respect those who believe in covid I would like the same respect back thanks . Peace and love to you all whatever you believe .

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Peace and love....but also anger and denial. You're obviously not going to explain anything but why blame a internet forum? Surely you can find another online site where you will have support and understanding? As you say there are loads of people who feel the way you do.

Why not take a step back from the subject and concentrate on the problems that are affecting us? Scass mentioned this.

We don't have to even get into whether it's real or not to look at how someone is affected and suggest some solutions. For instance, lockdown is an environmental factor so why not talk about ways to deal with how it makes you feel? Forget Covid, you could be locked down by other factors yet the impacts to your mental health are the same.

Otherwise this thread is just going to be an argument. Why not have that on Misc and make this thread about ways to handle the distress being felt? It does mean taking a different approach to some things since challenging beliefs will be a bit sensitive here as both sides have already shown.

This isn't unique. Therapists will have to work with people who refuse to believe other thing's but that doesn't mean they can't help. It does mean they have to leave their feelings at the door.

Another aspect discussed elsewhere is the so-called "retreat from reason" - where personal feelings and emotions override logic and facts.

However, I think the OP has made it abundantly clear that they are unwilling to engage in any discussion of the matter - they have stated their opinion and the subject is not up for discussion; other than for the forum admins to say "we agree, we have let you down".

Is this forum solely about reassurance? In a way, yes it is and I would suggest that in that respect, it has let the OP down. But it also has an evidence-based, factual and practical element to it and it is probably this that challenges the OP.

Well, here's my message to the OP: please explain to me why you believe Covid is not real. I'm ready and waiting to listen to you and to others on here - no pile-ons, eh?

For information to the Ops post....
There are many members on this Site that have similar views to feelthelove but won't post because they are either afraid to for fear of being attacked personally or outed as a believer in something different to the mainstream.
I won't divulge their names to protect their mental health.
Words can be powerful and need to be chosen carefully. Just one word in a sentence can be received so differently to what you are trying to say.
For instance, if you say I don't believe in Covid, people will retaliate and say that it is not true and there have been deaths to prove it.
The fact is we get viruses every year as we do the flu.
The named virus - Covid 19 is to be perceived as a deadly contagious disease resulting in people having to wear face masks, distancing themselves from others and being lockdown for months on end. If you remember in the beginning of this pandemic, even touching items was forbidden. So this is where the divide comes. We know there have been deaths, the facts are there. But the question lies with some people that there have been no flu victims this year. The question lies why no flu, but people catching Covid. Flu is just as contagious. Also it has been noticed that a number of people have died from other causes but the death certificate will read from Covid. 'From' and 'With' are two completely different explanations.
Now we know that pneumonia can be deathly if you are very old or sick which can originate from having the flu or your body just giving up due to old age or sickness like I said.
But we haven't heard much about that since Nov 19.
In my family for instance, both my mum and dad's final cause of death was pneumonia as was both my nans and several other people I know. It was not the original cause of death, pneumonia sets in when the body becomes unfit for the organs to work as they should do.
Back to Covid 19. Do we really know what it is?
To my knowledge it is something we have not had before and the symptoms are very similar to pneumonia.
I personally have had flu and it can take months to recover. You feel weak, your breathing is laboured, you think you have recovered to find you feel weak again.
Now before anyone jumps on me personally, I am trying to explain the minds of others that will not speak up and explain what I have taken the time to do.
And its not just that.
The world is changing, even changed.
You might hear folk talk about 'The New World Order '.
We know cash is now forbidden in most places.
We know businesses are closing '. We know that tax, interest rates etc will rise.
We know tracking and cameras are everywhere.
We know personal information is being collected from all sources.
We also know the vaccines were rushed without the normal protocol testing.
These are just some of the points that people will talk about and question.
So the crux of what some would class as non believers is the 'Covid 19' was created to feed the fear for this New World Order. And I'm sure many of you already know that.
But. The people that voice these opinions have been outed, excluded and even fined for such an opinion. So now 'freedom of speech' has been removed from society as well. Never before has stuff been taken down from posts, websites, YouTube, twitter, forums. Even from long-standing doctors and scientists who have an impeccable record. They are all removed leaving some people to question why?
And when people start to lose their jobs, possibly their homes and struggle to make ends meet. They will question the nature of the whole affair. And this is where you have a divide.
As a whole I personally think everyone has been very law-abiding because as people we care about our fellow human beings and go along with rules and regulations to keep the peace or help to get life back to a normality.. But it doesn't mean that everyone agrees with everything.
Whether it is being opposed to lockdown or wearing a face mask, to not seeing their elderly relations who live for a visit from their son or daughter or grandchildren.
Not forgetting the people that have had their cancer treatment cancelled and people too scared to enter a hospital for checkups and operations. People doing their own dentistry. Mental health rising with agoraphobia setting in. Depression on the rise with sometimes fatal results.
Yes, sometimes it is more horrific to have reasons explained and it's much easier to say we have a pandemic than look at the bigger picture or dissect the situation.
And if you are still reading, then thank you for taking the time and interest.
Once again, my post is just a small account of the minds that are too afraid to speak.

Lastly, I personally don't think this forum is at any fault for not hearing someone's views. We are lucky to have NMP.
It is free and has free speech. Unless of course it is damaging to others well being and safety. And Nicola & Co do a grand job of running the Site that most of us appreciate with much thanks.

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The world is changing, even changed - This has always been the case.
You might hear folk talk about 'The New World Order ' - People have been talking about this for decades.
We know cash is now forbidden in most places - Where? I have not come across a single place that is refusing cash.
We know businesses are closing '. We know that tax, interest rates etc will rise - Businesses have been closing for years, because online shopping is just easier.
We know tracking and cameras are everywhere - What does this have to do with Covid? This is old news.
We know personal information is being collected from all sources - Irrelevant to Covid (again), has been happening for years.
We also know the vaccines were rushed without the normal protocol testing - Completely and utterly not true.
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This is the kind of exaggerated/unrelated drivel/hyperbole that people with no common sense talk about constantly.

Just because somebody is taking advantage of a situation, it does not mean the situation is not happening.

Again, the existence of Covid is not 'opinion'. Just like the existence of the moon is not 'opinion'. It is right there in front of you. Just because you choose to read sinister meaning into something that history has recorded as a regular occurrence (actual photo's of previous global pandemics), does not mean those sinister meanings are true, relevant or real.

Ankietyjoe, my post is not an excuse for a direct attack towards me. Some members including the Site owner Nicola wanted to know more and I have been kind enough to provide what some members on here are afraid to say.
So it's not an opportunity to use the word 'you' in a reply to me when I am speaking on behalf of other members. Please use the word 'they', 'members' are 'people' in future posting on this thread. Unless I have quoted a personal opinion.
Please also remember that this is a mental health forum and replying in a productive way would help other members to read without feeling offended or attacked personally in anyway. Even if some people think humans never landed on the moon, it's their freedom to have that opinion and not to be name called or labelled as an outcast.
For all you know, someone you've been helping on here with anxiety may be the same person you have just slated.
Thank you.

Carnatian is right that some businesses are closing due to the effects of the lockdowns etc.

there's small shops in the town just down the road for me that were going strong until the covid crisis.

they won't reopen when this is over cause they have run out of money :(

You're right, Whisper. This is why it's so important to try and buy from small/local businesses during lockdown; you might pay a bit more but it's a way of ensuring they'll still be there next time you need them.

I'm doing the same BlueIris.
I would be lost without my corner shop.
My online shopping delivery this week couldn't deliver milk. And no cat food. Can you imagine whisper? Try telling that to your cat. Although he will only eat Felix, no fish and has to be in jelly. And I thought Mr C was finicky. :lac:

I heard on the radio today about the shortage of cat and dog food pouches..That's a real worry for you. I do hope supplies are back to normal asap. Our animals shouldn't have to suffer as well..