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Feel like something isn't right??
Hi guys,
Just a bit of advice really
So for the last 3 months I've been very depressed and waking up every day with panic attacks, had excessive guilt and excessive worry.
Lately I've been better, no more morning panic attacks ect.
However I've got this feeling, it's like something isn't right, like I'm worried but don't know what about?? I keep trying to search myself to find out what I'm worried about but I'm coming up empty!
Does anyone else ever feel like this? Any tips?
Thanks
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Do you have any coping strategies? I'm beginning to think I'm going crazy, and that maybe I'm not suffering with mental I'll ess but I'm just doomed to be miserable
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I feel like this now. I get bad dreams with it, sometimes I just have the feeling something's wrong and then it goes off of it's own accord if you give it no attention. If you just let it pass it will just go. Perhaps instead of coping strategies, you need to beat it by smiling through it, reassuring yourself with affirmations, don't give in to researching it or dwelling on it as then you will inevitably become more and more introverted. Don't let it trap you. It's a trap!
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The way I get round it is by telling myself that it's a normal symptom of depression. That feeling is there as a reaction to other things going wrong. I tell myself in a nice kind voice (in my head usually!) that everything is going to be fine/you have remembered everything/whatever the situation demands.
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I also get this. When I feel like this I tend to get into negative thought cycles and start to feel hopeless and everything gets more and more difficult.
The best but also the hardest thing to do is do the opposite of what your mind is telling you. So your mind says you are too worried to go and meet your friends. You just want to stay home because you won't enjoy yourself because you're too worried about because you're anxious you will end up feeling awful and wishing you were home. So go out and see your friends anyway. As lion and pancho says, don't get sucked into your thoughts!
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For me o find it so difficult, I mean logically I know that I need to not dwell on thoughts, or research them and just let them exist as background noise, but emotionally I can't do it! I have been this way as long as I can remember! I am hormonal at the moment (totm) so maybe that makes it worse!
I found that I used to visit this forum called stuck in a doorway and I had suh a large community of friends, that has shut down now so I have ventured on here. I think sometimes I just need reassuring that all really is ok, and I'm not the only one suffering. Sometimes I find it so hard to believe I do suffer with mental illness, part of me worries I'm not Ill I just am like this cos I'm a bad person! Agh so frustrating!!!! I appreciate all your answers! It's nice to see I'm not alone
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Oh yes hormones send me completely irrational. I worry about the strangest things but at the time it seems so important. So remind yourself when you're hormonal, it isn't a very reliable thought!
I think a lot of people struggle to come to terms with the thought of having a mental illness. Even I hate it and refused to accept that for years. But what is normal? Everyone suffers from mental Ill health at some point in their lives whether they realise it or not! We are just the lucky ones that get to deal with it more often and with more severity!
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Yes, its a normal feeling with Anxiety. What makes it worse, is we then start searching for a reason for this feeling, then our Mind become all jumbled and frantic and then our co-ordination goes, then the emotions start to flare up, then there's the exhaustion and depression. Absolutely normal Anxiety. Best thing to do is just accept it and let is pass. :)
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Do you have GAD? If so, then this is likely to be part of that. I can have 24/7 worry about nothing, its just there. Distraction is useful, get up and do something, go for a walk, etc.
I tend to notice this more when the "buzzing" is present from excess adrenaline and it tends to be when I am sitting around.
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I haven't officially been diagnosed with GAD but I have self diagnosed it. I also suffer depression. I'm currently on 40mg of citalopram and have diazepam for when I really need it. Woke up this morning feeling a little panicked. I can't work it out. I suddenly feel guilty over everything and worry over everything. I hope that eventually I can stop being tortured by my own thoughts. Problem is when I'm like this I just want to be alone. This latest spell of illness has been 3 months now, and although I'm markedly better than when it hit ( I can get through my days) I just want to be worry free. It's so frustrating
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Tell me about it, I have got it to cycles of 3-4 days bad to about 5-7 days good at the moment but its still a crusher everytime those bad 3-4 days come around.
Its classic GAD, nothing to worry about but still worried constantly. Its very hard, I think, to break out of this because in many ways there is nothing that is even worrying us and all I have found so far is to stay active, get out in the fresh air, try group things to build confidence, distraction techniques, relaxation techniques (breathing and Progressive Muscle Relaxation (PMR)), CBT which wasn't very effective since I can't even pin half of this down and the most helpful than all (exercise is also a very strong helper) has been Mindfulness.
Guilt is very common but its also a powerful negative emotion. Try not to let it invade you too much because it feeds the depression. Its natural to feel some level of guilt I think, so treat it like that and don't allow it to push you into a spiral...consider it as "feeling bad about something" as opposed to real guilt as this way you attach a lower level lable to it and labels are important in anxiety & depression as they can be negative anchors in our subconscious.
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Thanks terry that is really helpful! I want to try mindfulness but not really sure where to begin. It's the what if thoughts that bother me. But I need to try and tell myself that IF these thoughts do come true I will be able to handle it!
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An example of my what if thoughts this morning
What if me and my fiancé break up/what if I don't really love him
What if my past mistakes have ruined my life now
What if that akward employee puts in a grievance about me when I talk to him about his lateness
What if I never get better
What if I'm not ill I'm just mental
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Does anyone else feel like this? What if what if what if!!!
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Pinguanxious
[/COLOR]An example of my what if thoughts this morning
What if me and my fiancé break up/what if I don't really love him
What if my past mistakes have ruined my life now
What if that akward employee puts in a grievance about me when I talk to him about his lateness
What if I never get better
What if I'm not ill I'm just mental
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Does anyone else feel like this? What if what if what if!!!
most people on here probably think this way its how you deal with those thoughts that matters
I think im just mental !!!
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Those are really common What ifs, believe me and everyone else on here. They tend to form a chain as well and run away with themselves. What if thinking is often accompanied by catastrophizing so we take the What if and add serious outcomes to them. This just reinforces it all further.
People with anxiety often have a lot of negative self talk and we also have a habit of distorting the facts so that we have a tendency to see the negative in situations even when theycould be positive. Perhaps its distortion or perhaps it may be safety behaviour i.e. prepare for the worst to prevent something unexpected.
Fear of the unexpected and change are other problems.
Mindfulness is really helpful for anxiety, especialliy OCD in my opinion. It is good at breaking up thought chains and the more they get broken, the less they come together and then they die down a lot or appear less intense.
If you want to try Mindfulness, some members on here recommend the Headspace website which gives 10 days of free daily meditations and then you can prescribe.
I would also say look at the works of Jon Kabat-Zinn in the US who created MBSR and the later version based on it by Professor Mark Williams in the UK from Oxford university which is one of the big leaders in mental health in this country. Professor Williams co created MBCT which is a combination of CBT and Mindfulness. Its simple enough to read, the work comes in applying it but he gives a structured 8 week programme in his books so perhaps worth a look?
I am reading his Frantic World book, which is very good, and here is a link to his website which includes quite a few of his meditations in free downloads in the resources section:
http://franticworld.com/
Some in the book are written and there are other tasks to perform which aid to breaking up routines which form some of the CBT component.
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Thanks so much guys it's so great to see I'm not alone!! The weird thing is I'm fine in the evenings usually, I can have a bath and read my book... Watching tv isn't a great distraction but I can do it, it's worse in the morning and when I'm bored at work!!! I'm definitely going to give mindfulness a go!!
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Terry I just tried that headspace app.... It's amazing!!! Really focuses you!!! So pleased thanks so much:-)
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Yep Google headspace, ten free sessions, I loved the first one!! See my evenings are fine... It's the mornings I can't stand!!! I get so tired of it all sometimes, although now I'm going to bed and I am worried about work tommorow as I have lots to do! And targets to hit, however I can cope, if these thoughts were in the morning I couldn't cope! What sort of thoughts affect your day?
Is anyone else taking. Medication for depression/anxiety?
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I take Duloxetine since my relapse and before that it was Citalopram. To be honest, they help you restore some balance but they are not curative.
You may find it interesting to know that MBCT is now NICE recognised for recurrent depression. I expect it will be for anxiety in the future.
I find it really disappointing that GP's and therapists are not putting more behind it. My therapist introduced me with a few free mp3's but this is not as much as we can obtain via Google or in the books. Just the NHS being far behind the times for mental health, so business as usual, eh?
Glad that helped you. I haven't tried Headspace but I think I will need to now you've said its good. Try those free ones off Professor Williams website as well as they are in his book so fit within MBCT and the NICE recognition.
There are also books out there for things like quick mindfulness or in a minute. Not sure about these, but if they help you turn it on quickly, maybe they are worth a look?
The mornings have always been my worst, its really common for people with anxiety disorders to say the morning or evenings. For me its the mornings as its when I would be rushing around more or on deadlines.
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Another not so great morning for me, I'm not too bad I just feel a little panicked, then of course I'm trying to work out why, my OH has been working nights so haven't seen him in a few days, I was really looking forward to seeing him tonight but this morning I'm not sure again, what if I don't really want to be with him? That's what my brain is telling me! I'm so fed up of it!!
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How did you find citalopram terry?
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I never had those relationship doubts with my first bout of GAD but when I relapsed I also developed various forms of OCD and I have had a lot of relationship doubts ranging from "I could do better" to "I don't wan this, it's not enough" and then you get all the guilt when you are back in depression mode because you are just desperate for help off anyone and think about how your partner puts up with you. I wonder whether its more prevalent with OCD given my experience?
Citalopram made me more anxious for the first few weeks and the first 10 days were the worst. After that it started to ease of but it was over a month, more 6 weeks that I felt it settle back to where it was before I started them. The first day was a bit odd with nausea but I slept and then I had a few days of not sleeping and I got up in tears as I felt really bad. I ended up having the crisis team out after my GP called in as he was on his rounds in the area and I couldn't get an urgent appointment (its weeks at my surgury unless you attend the open surgery before 9am which I had missed due to trying to get any sleep!) and he called them out for advice. They told him to give me something to keep my sleep routine while I got beyond the side effects.
After that they did help me a bit but because I didn't resolve the issues, when I came off them I started to spiral and 6 months later I relapsed. I think most of the work was done by me anyway in pulling myself out of that horrible place so I question whether these medications do any more than keep you above the pit.
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For me I think the issues are that I worry about everything!! Like it doesn't matter what it is, even if I say something maybe slightly inappropriate I will ruminate for ages on it. My therapist says I have really low self esteem so we are working on that. I had a major episode of ocd and depression 5 years ago, I got through it. But I had periods when I had to go back on meds.
This is my first major relapse though. This time I'm really trying to focus on getting better so that I don't relapse again.
I think with citalopram my problem is sleep..... I need sleep! That's probably why I'm worse in the mornings too!
How long do you think a typical "bad" spell lasts? I'm up to three months now, but I got help early so I'm already miles better than I was two months ago when the doc spoke to the crisis team ect. Suh a scary place to be!!
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I think thats just GAD really, you end up worrying about everything & nothing. Even when you are not worrying you are still anxious because your subconscious just keeps pushing out the symptoms. Thats why I think CBT is lacklustre if it doesn't also look at behavioural elements to alter your perception of symptoms.
Have you been on Citalopram long? It took me about 3 months to get a better sleep routine back in but that was mostly due to taking Zopiclone for 30 days straight because my GP didn't tell me to cycle it every other day! Something the crisis team told me in their follow up visit. So, I had problems withdrawing from it.
Have you considered magnesium? There are members on here discussing how it has been useful to them on the Natural Remedies board and there is a magnesium taurate one on the GAD board.
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http://www.clinical-depression.co.uk...-and-dreaming/ Wow such an insightful article
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This time I've been on citalopram for about 3 months but I tapered up from 10-20 and now on 40. Magnesium? Is that like a supplement? I'll have to look into that, yes cby isn't great because it's trying to get me to label my thoughts.... That's hard when I don't know why I'm worried :-)
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Thats part of the problem with GAD, it can be about pretty much everything but also nothing. CBT is great for things that are specific, but I believe something more complex or general is always going to need a longer period of therapy which CBT doesn't allow for. Then you get thrown back into the system with a minimum 12 month wait to get to Level 4 therapies even if your GP is willing to refer you, unlike mine who doesn't want to hence I haven't been back in over a year and he just signs the repeat presciptions!
Magenesium is just a supplement but members on here say it helps them sleep better and feel more refreshed. I think I might try this myself.
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May PPP to Holland and Bharat in a min and have a look! Even now I'm quiet at work and I'm just sitting here, feeling a little nervous and like I need to escape.... No idea why!!!
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You are just unable to 'tune' it out. Anxiety symptoms come from the subconscious so its just still sending them to your conscious mind regardless of situation. You have to gradually retrain it not to send them. Learning to relax and focus is part of it.
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Would you say it's better to just let the thoughts be there, without thinking about them? See that's my problem, I feel anxious then I try and think about the thoughts and find a way to counter them. Maybe I shouldn't be doing that?
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I think it depends what the thoughts are.
If the thought was an intrusive one such as a thought or harming someone, as in OCD, then you can rationalise it to downplay it. Thats a CBT strategy. It may work, or it may not for some people and some may find acceptance works better for them. For me, Mindfulness worked more than the rest.
If the thought is just about physical symptoms, then you can employ positive affirmations to say to yourself that they are just symptoms and nothing more. The problem tends to be more when you try to analyse them "why am I feeling like this" or "how do I stop feeling like this". These types of thoughts engage the brains DOING mode which looks at 2 points, now and where you want to be. It then spends its time risk assessing (possible bringing new risks into play that you hadn't even worried about) and determines how to reach that point. Unfortunately, solving such a large problem is out of scope of DOING modes ability which means you just get more frustrated and have more to think about from its analysis. For this type of issue you need to encourage BEING mode, which is our accepting mode where we don't analsye but just go with it. This is hard though and its a skill best learnt through Mindfulness. Acceptance is very hard, but its only an element of Mindfulness hence there are other elements to help you along the way.
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I do find mindfulness good, only done two sessions though so I'm working on it, most of them are my general what if thoughts. They are frustrating because really I have nothing I need to worry about, I have a good life. I am hoping that the mindfulness does help, as I just want to be able to get on with my day without the feeling of anxiety and that something is wrong in my life because I know it's not
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You said you enjoyed it the first time and thats a really good sign because many people find it hard to do. It takes time and you've only just started out, so expect to be continuing for the long term as its seen as a life skill but that doesn't mean it will take forever to learn & feel. At a minimum it can be a good relaxation technique when you start but the more you do it, the more it helps. It has been shown via imaging that it is accessing the left side of the brain which is the compassion centre.
I remember it took me a while but I had a shift in attitude. Long before this I had a couple of moments of absolute bliss where I just sat down on an embankment along a stream when I was out walking in the sun and just starting doing mindfulness without thinking about starting it. I was listening to the birds, feeling the grass and watching things, really watching, listening & feeling. It was truly amazing!!! I felt completely free.
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I found it relaxed me after the session! That sounds like such a good moment you had terry! I would love that! I'm not feeling as bad today! That's for sure! I think the only time I feel worried is when I remember I'm Ill, then I remember all the reasons I'm ill, then I start to feel guilty and worry! That's frustrating! Other than that I'm generally ok. Did some research on magnesium, the proper stuff seems quite expensive! Wondering if there is a cheaper option.
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Pinguanxious
I found it relaxed me after the session! That sounds like such a good moment you had terry! I would love that! I'm not feeling as bad today! That's for sure! I think the only time I feel worried is when I remember I'm Ill, then I remember all the reasons I'm ill, then I start to feel guilty and worry! That's frustrating! Other than that I'm generally ok. Did some research on magnesium, the proper stuff seems quite expensive! Wondering if there is a cheaper option.
I get mine from here http://www.bulkpowders.co.uk/magnesi...FasEwwodgJgADA
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Andy do you find they help??
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Andy do you find they help??
a bit I take it at night to help me sleep deeper,it seems to have a calming effect
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May as well try them! Couldn't hurt none!!!
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Seems like a good supplement! I may have to try it! I find around my TOTM I get worse and more anxious! I am fed up with not sleeping properly! I sleep well but I dream pretty much all night and it leaves me shattered the next day!
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So does magnesium actually work well for anxiety then? Whats the science behind this?
Magnesium is good for sleep. For anxiety, its Taurine that helps as it is a precursor of GABA which is a precursor of Dopamine.
You can get Magnesium Taurate which combines the two but be careful to check the mg content because this stuff is more expensive and for similiar prices you can find differences of 1000mg.
Magnesium Citrate should be pretty cheap as its the more common form. Taurine can also be purchased separately.
A useful article on Taurine is this one:
http://www.poliquingroup.com/Article...f_Taurine.aspx
Its probably best to look around for these and as MrAndy has shown, it can be cheaper to get some of these things off the supplement or bodybuilding websites. Taurine has been used for decades by bodybuilders so those websites will sell them.
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I will have to look into it, anything that helps me sleep must be a bonus! How are you guys today??
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Actually been a relatively good day for me! Had a manic day at work so kept my mind busy and I'm going to see family for a takeaway tonight! Hopefully this will be a string of good days! What's on your mind? Here if u wanna talk
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I'm ok, just the usual tired but my mood is much more stable at the moment and I'm finding that I'm not sinking as much as I used to which is a good sign.