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So today I was reading that in at least 10 councils in England, Agency Social Workers make up 30 to 45% of the Social Work work force. When you consider how bad we are are getting people into the Nursing profession currently can we ask when and why did these gaps get so big and begin to cost so much. Agency staff mean increased costs but also Agency fees meaning money not going on care but on Agency fees ?!?
Apparently £350 million was spent on Agency Social Workers in 17-18.
The Guardian carries comment from Social Workers that locum jobs just help them pay the bills better where as salaries in Council posts are just not competitive.
Now an an interesting thing I never realised about Agencies from a tax point of view, some of the biggest recruitment agencies have head companies that are registered in the Cayman Islands so I’m guessing some creative accounting is going on as well here.
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Part of it is about outsourcing too. Agencies save you needing to pay for advertising and some level of weeding out of unsuitable candidates. In some jobs companies do little of the interviewing at all and even don't take responsibility for HR.
That would be unlikely in a role such as social workers.
We also pay a fortune to private mental health therapists. Then there are people like Capita for various roles that would have been civil service in the past.
A big question is what is the quality like? Is it worse when through private companies?
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Part of it is about outsourcing too. Agencies save you needing to pay for advertising and some level of weeding out of unsuitable candidates. In some jobs companies do little of the interviewing at all and even don't take responsibility for HR.
That would be unlikely in a role such as social workers.
We also pay a fortune to private mental health therapists. Then there are people like Capita for various roles that would have been civil service in the past.
A big question is what is the quality like? Is it worse when through private companies?
I think thats the $64,000 dollar question, what is the quality? It seems the suspicion is that its worse than directly employed staff but the information on quality seems slim. I've always been nervous of the need to ensure that the Social & Civil services can be carved up by private companies.
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Yep, this is an area that should be very tightly controlled but we've seen the horrendous mistakes of Social Services in the past. I take it they have full oversight in any private social workers and their cases so it's more about ensuring they have the right qualifications & experience to do the work.
But there are major issues with social care in general that has been privatised. Care homes need much more control. I think I remember signing a petition to create a post for a minister to take this on as a distinct role. Currently it's part of the NHS in terms of ministerial remit. I wonder whether that means it gets largely ignored in favour of the NHS who are much more vocal?
Outsourcing allows them to bring people in and dump them out as demand changes. I would find it hard to believe this is an area that ever decreases though.
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Yes, it doesnt feel like an outsourcing model is needed as demand for Social Services appears to be increasing across the board.
Social Care for the Elderly - Increasing in need.
Social Workers for Familial problems - Increasing in need.
I think your instincts for a Minister with Oversight is probably right and proper. Im guessing its overseen by by CQC as are Hospitals and GP Surgeries.
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Here's my photo of a black hole.
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If you look really closely you'll see Brexit stuck in the event horizon
forever...........................:scared15:
Aye, Pain. Stretched and extended like a piece of spaghetti for ever :lac:
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Pain
Here's my photo of a black hole.
Attachment 4734
If you look really closely you'll see Brexit stuck in the event horizon
forever...........................:scared15:
All that surrounding gas from Boris, Mogg, May & Gove ..........
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Pain
Here's my photo of a black hole.
Attachment 4734
If you look really closely you'll see Brexit stuck in the event horizon
forever...........................:scared15:
Is that BoJo's 3rd nipple? :biggrin:
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It is pretty amazing we have photos of a black hole though or rather what's around it. How sad Stephen Hawking wasn't around to see it.
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Perhaps Hawking is IN the black hole?
I fear Brexit will soon be entering its event horizon never to be seen in its "intended form" again :lac:
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There are some very strange things going on in London at the moment. For instance, climate change protesters are currently bringing the place to a stand still. But what's strange about this? Look at some of the photos and see how old some of them are and mixed with with lots of young people. I thought all the oldies were to wished into death for Brexit :winks:
In other news 1 in 3 people aged 18-34 aren't even registered to vote. What? After the last 2 years? So, they are as apathetic about politics as before.
And in religious news former Pope (I thought you had to die? :ohmy:) writes about how child abuse is caused by priests not being allowed to have sex and changing attitudes in the church towards sex taking them away from traditional teachings. This follows 2 cardinals (they were senior, if not) writing exactly the same not long ago.
Will the Roman Catholic Church ever move forward from enabling child abuse? :doh:
Lots of people are celibate whether through choice or not. The traditional move of the cheater has been to find another partner or visit a prostitute and NOT to abuse children :mad:
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How do you know he isn't? Perhaps he was a metaphysicist - metempsychosis...?
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Perhaps Hawking is IN the black hole?
I fear Brexit will soon be entering its event horizon never to be seen in its "intended form" again :lac:
True. Maybe he uploaded himself and he's now some powerful AI? Imagine the level of memory needed for The Hawk's brain...mine would get uploaded on a ZX Spectrum. http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/disgust/t9408.gif
I like how they called the telescope the Event Horizon Telescope. I've seen that film...:ohmy: When they develop the photos (a dark room for developing photos of a black hole :biggrin:) will some evil seep out of them? It's a future plotline for a film at least.
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There are some very strange things going on in London at the moment. For instance, climate change protesters are currently bringing the place to a stand still. But what's strange about this? Look at some of the photos and see how old some of them are and mixed with with lots of young people. I thought all the oldies were to wished into death for Brexit :winks:
In other news 1 in 3 people aged 18-34 aren't even registered to vote. What? After the last 2 years? So, they are as apathetic about politics as before.
And in religious news former Pope (I thought you had to die? :ohmy:) writes about how child abuse is caused by priests not being allowed to have sex and changing attitudes in the church towards sex taking them away from traditional teachings. This follows 2 cardinals (they were senior, if not) writing exactly the same not long ago.
Will the Roman Catholic Church ever move forward from enabling child abuse? :doh:
Lots of people are celibate whether through choice or not. The traditional move of the cheater has been to find another partner or visit a prostitute and NOT to abuse children :mad:
1. There are still plenty of old Hippies out there it seems, the Blackpool shale gas protests are primarily older folks when I have driven by.
2. 1 in 3 not registered to vote, I think this is really really sad, we need this apathy broken somehow ..... I dont know how to do it with integrity though. You can almost see marketing execs thinking lets use Reality TV stars and the Beckhams to get youngsters on board and that feels low rent.
3. I think the restrictions of your faith should not result in child abuse, child abuse is weak humanity and can not just be wished away as a result of celibacy. People should be stronger than that when it comes to under age sex. Attitudes to adult sex probably need to change but thats no excuse for child abuse. I agree with you, infidelity by Adults consensually is an outcome you can live with.
4. The RCC is trapped in a dialogue with itself that is like the Ourubourus worm.
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1. There are still plenty of old Hippies out there it seems, the Blackpool shale gas protests are primarily older folks when I have driven by.
2. 1 in 3 not registered to vote, I think this is really really sad, we need this apathy broken somehow ..... I dont know how to do it with integrity though. You can almost see marketing execs thinking lets use Reality TV stars and the Beckhams to get youngsters on board and that feels low rent.
3. I think the restrictions of your faith should not result in child abuse, child abuse is weak humanity and can not just be wished away as a result of celibacy. People should be stronger than that when it comes to under age sex. Attitudes to adult sex probably need to change but thats no excuse for child abuse. I agree with you, infidelity by Adults consensually is an outcome you can live with.
4. The RCC is trapped in a dialogue with itself that is like the Ourubourus worm.
1. True. Plus when it comes to local protesting it's going to bring out older generations with more roots.
2. Yes, I hope we don't come to this more Americanised way to grab voters through pop star influence or siding with their reality stars who are likely seen as a cynical way to buy voters (I thought that about the Clinton vs Trump one).
How do we compare to other countries? Is it not a localised trend?
Is it because society is changing it's priorities? Maybe we have so much on the go these days we don't see voting as such a big deal anymore? It used to be a bit of a right of passage as learning to drive or moving out might be, becoming 18 and 21 key to the door stuff. Now you matter, now you have a say and people listen which was something younger people wanted.
By 34 you most likely have a family, mortgage, settled career, etc so I find it quite strange they are so low. I could understand it the closer you get to 20 as you naturally are getting out there and enjoying you freedom but not at 30.
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About youth voting...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39965925
Just 43% of 18-24-year-olds went to the polls, compared with 78% of people aged 65 or over, according to Ipsos Mori. (To estimate how many old and young people vote at elections, you have to look at opinion polls). That's a huge gap of 35 percentage points. There's been a similar gulf for the past 20 years, but it wasn't always like that. As recently as 1992, the gap was just 12 percentage points. Then, 63% of 18-24-year-olds voted. The old aren't voting more now - but the young are voting far less.In some ways, the low turnout isn't surprising. Young people are mobile and many are students who live away from home - groups which have among the lowest levels of voter registration, according to the Electoral Commission. They are often voting for the first time, so haven't developed a habit, unlike many older people.
What a pathetic excuse, student mobility. As students they will be paying utility bills, have tenancy agreements, etc and yet a very quick online registration to vote is too much for them?
They haven't developed a habit yet we keep seeing them marching for their future?
I remember when I turned 18 I was encouraged by my parents not only for the right to vote as having a say but also that it would help with building my credit profile. Surely the latter at the least is worth something to young people?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42747342
So, now real change in the vocal youth groups that are complaining their future is on the line? Yet in the media we so often hear the young are mobilising to change things around. Where are they? They still aren't voting. So, are we just being misled and it's only vocal minorities?
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I was so incredibly keen to vote as soon as I was 18. I wonder what has seen this malaise set in with the young, is it too much to feel that they don't feel listened to or is it simply that they just don't really care about politics ??
What do we think we should do about it ? Should we have compulsory voting but you are allowed to spoil your ballot if you want none of the above ?
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A rough week for poor Jeremy Corbyn, what with the protesters glued to the wall outside his house (it would have been hilarious if the media pulled up to see him telling them to clear off :roflmao:), Shadow Home Secretary Dianne Abbott flouting the no alcohol rules and then the mistake of bread at Passover when wishing the largely alienated Jewish community a pleasant time :doh::roflmao:
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I was so incredibly keen to vote as soon as I was 18. I wonder what has seen this malaise set in with the young, is it too much to feel that they don't feel listened to or is it simply that they just don't really care about politics ??
What do we think we should do about it ? Should we have compulsory voting but you are allowed to spoil your ballot if you want none of the above ?
Me too, a bit of a right of passage like driving, moving out, getting your first job, etc. Perhaps not as big but another one of those things where you felt you were finally joining the world that previously saw you as a child.
It seems to have happened since 1992. I'm wondering whether it's more a cultural thing? Maybe the advent of all the new technology has shifted their focus into new areas?
I'm not sure how they would even know no one cared about their votes & views at that age as they are naïve about life as we all were. Apathy usually kicks in later when you realise it's all pointless as it's SSDD no matter what you do. I don't think they have the excuse someone closer to 30 has.
I'm not against compulsory voting, imagine how that would have helped Brexit :winks:, as long as it's sensible about why & how you can opt out. Don't New Zealand have it?
Since nothing has changed despite all the furore over youth vote mobilisation it makes you wonder whether even creating a voting app would deal with it? Perhaps you earn some Likes if you bother to vote? :whistles: The Pope seems to have embraced the new age by offering reductions in your purgatory that used to take real effort, now reduced to liking him on Facebook :doh: Talk about cheapening things.
More education perhaps? Schools do a lot more these days than we were young. Sex education was all very new when I was about 14 and other than that all we ever had were lessons about our subjects. Now they are being proactive in teaching about respect for difference, LGBT+ issues, etc. Why not politics too? But I don't mean create an opportunity for brainwashing, and teachers are more liberal in nature, and we don't want the whole pushing of activism seen at universities. But why not some awareness of why you can vote?
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More education perhaps? Schools do a lot more these days than we were young. Sex education was all very new when I was about 14 and other than that all we ever had were lessons about our subjects. Now they are being proactive in teaching about respect for difference, LGBT+ issues, etc. Why not politics too? But I don't mean create an opportunity for brainwashing, and teachers are more liberal in nature, and we don't want the whole pushing of activism seen at universities. But why not some awareness of why you can vote?
I would like to see General Studies make a proper return as I feel that we ought to teach children impartially about current affairs but they also need lessons on money management & budgeting etc. Maybe some lessons regards volunteering and charity and how all that works.
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I would like to see General Studies make a proper return as I feel that we ought to teach children impartially about current affairs but they also need lessons on money management & budgeting etc. Maybe some lessons regards volunteering and charity and how all that works.
Yes, I agree with all that. I don't know what it's like now but in my day primary school was more important to your life in terms of getting you prepped, secondary was just about passing your GCSE's. Even the careers advice stuff was just woeful.
Considering they are doing more for sex education and sexuality/gender issues and trying to teach more inclusivity I would think they could include what you say to make it more about moving into adulthood.
I can't remember at what stage I learned how Bills become Acts, how tax works, etc. Likely it was across different subjects (we had a fantastic history teacher). But General Studies was Sixth Form for us (I opted for Business Studies instead, those who did GS said it wasn't very good though) which is too late.
Something more like this would be like other countries. The US seem to teach their constitution early on. Germany have something called Ethics which replaced any teaching of religious studies (that was the worst subject I did in secondary and I recall it was really more about Christianity) and I wonder if they cover far right stuff too as they have strict laws because of their recent history so they are more sensitive to those issues of hate.
This really wouldn't take much at all. It's a different debate to whether GCSE's are much use and whether more practical training is needed. I think for most of us are GCSE's were just bits of paper to get you to the next stage...some of this I learned I have only found myself using when answering TV game shows! :biggrin:
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This is three days out of date, but never mind - there's nothing else in the news worthy of attention:shades:. *Who calls their dog ‘Jesus’?:ohmy:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-47997507 When I saw this story I wondered why, given the dog’s name, it didn’t just walk back to dry land. Then I thought what would have been more amusing would’ve been if that dog had been trapped in a cave, but when the fire brigade rolled away the stone blocking the entrance, all they found was its collar…
*Joseph and Mary Carpenter…?:noangel:
No dogs were harmed in the making of these jokes!
Did he emerge to cries of "he hath risen!" :yesyes:
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I’m 54 years old and I had General Studies alongside my O levels. It did cover a little bit of Local Government & Home Economics but then the rest of it seemed to deal with Modern History, like post 2nd World War. I think Democracy, Economics, Budgeting, Current Affairs etc would have helped more. The most political subject for me was RE O level that I took in my lunch breaks as an extra subject. To be honest that was the only subject where we ever discussed morals and rich and poor. In History we even tended to just learn by wrote, no debate.
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The news is saying Extinction Rebellion is the biggest civil disobedience in modern U.K. history if you base it on arrests made.
i saw a great placard from a youngster ‘If you can’t be Adults then we will’, thought that was classy
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I’m 54 years old and I had General Studies alongside my O levels. It did cover a little bit of Local Government & Home Economics but then the rest of it seemed to deal with Modern History, like post 2nd World War. I think Democracy, Economics, Budgeting, Current Affairs etc would have helped more. The most political subject for me was RE O level that I took in my lunch breaks as an extra subject. To be honest that was the only subject where we ever discussed morals and rich and poor. In History we even tended to just learn by wrote, no debate.
I'm 43 and O Levels were out when I was at school. I wonder if that caused some of the change?
From reading about the experiences of others at school online it feels like it can depend on the quality of school. I went to a secondary modern but I've seen those saying they attended grammar schools found there was much more than the curriculum being taught.
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The news is saying Extinction Rebellion is the biggest civil disobedience in modern U.K. history if you base it on arrests made.
i saw a great placard from a youngster ‘If you can’t be Adults then we will’, thought that was classy
I for one have just planted 2000 trees in the fields around my home to offset Emma Thompson's next film.
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I for one have just planted 2000 trees in the fields around my home to offset Emma Thompson's next film.
hahaha, yes I think the irony of Emma flying in for the protests was perhaps lost on her
however, the climate rebels are asking the right questions surely, Greta Thunberg for me is to be admired, has her Aspergers given her some clear sight that this is just all wrong and something needs to happen
renewables are out there to be used far more widely than we are
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hahaha, yes I think the irony of Emma flying in for the protests was perhaps lost on her
however, the climate rebels are asking the right questions surely, Greta Thunberg for me is to be admired, has her Aspergers given her some clear sight that this is just all wrong and something needs to happen
renewables are out there to be used far more widely than we are
If she was flying back home anyway, and not making a special trip to offer support, then I can let her off for that. It's more that in her line of work she will be dwarfing my footprint and yet she wants me to change! :lac:
I think someone so young being passionate is a good thing but there is a lot of hysterics over all this too and that just puts them into loon territory. Storming out of interviews, acting like children spitting dummies. Their tactics are dubious and there selection of dates odd. Shut down the place when the politicians are in town, not when they are no their hols :doh:
I find their targeting of social travel strange. These methods help reduce car use. If we were at a stage where cars we out and the trains were now the problem then I could see it but their message at the moment seems to be to boycott public transport. And their reduction targets seem unrealistic. Five years is nothing.
The UK seem to be doing well in reduction targets. The trouble is, if the US & China don't want to play ball they will take us all down with them even if we had 0% of anything.
Wasn't there a recent study that said we are already past the point of no return? We can still try to slow it down at least.
But I think the issue here isn't the public but the corporations. They will keep pumping out all their plastic until they forced not too. Some companies are making efforts, I get updates about the campaign to stop making plastic rings for beer, so people are having an impact. For me though these people are taking on an issue with a reasonable head on their shoulders and not this over the top stuff that will just turn the public off them. We are limited in the choices we can make to purchase, and not all of us are as privileged as some of the people in XR :whistles:, and we will all be contributing negatively because of globalisation.
But I do hope none of these supporters are vocal against things that bring business back to the smaller business? They are aware that means higher pricing? :winks:
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hahaha, yes I think the irony of Emma flying in for the protests was perhaps lost on her
however, the climate rebels are asking the right questions surely, Greta Thunberg for me is to be admired, has her Aspergers given her some clear sight that this is just all wrong and something needs to happen
renewables are out there to be used far more widely than we are
TBH, she is just another useful idiot for the Oligarchs, like Malala Yousafzai and many others. Although, she does seem to be much smarter than Malala. Using children to push their nefarious agendas is a favourite modus operandi of the establishment. They have been at this for a long time.
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This is something I found incredibly sad:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...riend-14548405
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A mum-of-four filmed in a Twitter video rowing with her boyfriend was found dead at her home.
Maureen Bowcock, 40, was battling depression and was 'devastated' when the footage went viral online, an inquest heard. The 30 second video appeared to show her angrily prise open the door of a moving bus before chasing her partner down the street.
An inquest heard Miss Bowcock became so worried about the effect the film would have on her children she began drinking heavily.
All for the clicks and a good laugh and a troll. She won't be the first or last to feel this way but social media will continue to allow people to act like the horrible people they are and give them a platform to take their issues out on others.
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Huawei :ohmy: How many times can Mrs May make the wrong decision on any subject and still be considered competent (she’s got a popularity rating in her own party of minus 73.5% for goodness sake!)?
Reminiscent of a recent Bond film? Or maybe the US Homefront 2 game where the North Korean's put their chips into everything and when the US defaulted on their debt they pulled the plug and invaded.
GCHQ say they can monitor them by keeping them close. Given the close interests of the Chinese government in what their corporations do I wonder how they can keep them out of our security?
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Placing this here for Tony (our Tony) who I believe will find this an interesting, but sad, read due to his own bipolar and love of improv as I expect he well remembers the very talented Tony Slattery:
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...slightly-barmy
He looks older than his years and from his frank account he still has battles with drink or at least some extra way to go in removing it from his life. Now he ahs ended his meds that must raise some further concerns especially adding the stress of work on top of it.
I always wondered why he disappeared. He was a good actor as well as comedian and I could see him doing so well in the same way the likes of Fry, Laurie, etc have. A great shame. Hopefully he can recover enough to have his later years in better health.
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From the BBC:
‘Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has declared a "climate emergency" in her speech to the SNP conference.’
Yes, she certainly has the impediment of global warming in her speech. Every time she opens her mouth a waft of hot air escapes – you can see the heat shimmer. It was so bad the delegates in the front rows had to remove their jackets or remove themselves to escape heat stroke.:shades:
Indeed. Is this that political strategy known as bandwagon jumping? :winks:
Gove is meeting with XR shortly. The young activist is speaking to Parliament too. I expect in a few months it will all have returned to where it was :winks:
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Placing this here for Tony (our Tony) who I believe will find this an interesting, but sad, read due to his own bipolar and love of improv as I expect he well remembers the very talented Tony Slattery:
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...slightly-barmy
He looks older than his years and from his frank account he still has battles with drink or at least some extra way to go in removing it from his life. Now he ahs ended his meds that must raise some further concerns especially adding the stress of work on top of it.
I always wondered why he disappeared. He was a good actor as well as comedian and I could see him doing so well in the same way the likes of Fry, Laurie, etc have. A great shame. Hopefully he can recover enough to have his later years in better health.
Thanks Terry, I had seen a cut down of this in the printed Guardian I think. It makes for a very sad read, made sadder by 'Almost all his other celebrity chums and hangers-on vanished “when the money dried up, which was saddening. Yes, very saddening,” he says, quietly'
though with my own BiPolar im sometimes shocked by how many of my friends stick around for me. I've always liked Slatterys quirky character, the last I saw of him was a villager he played in Stephen Fry's 'Kingdom' tv series where Slattery still showed he was a talent.
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Thanks Terry, I had seen a cut down of this in the printed Guardian I think. It makes for a very sad read, made sadder by 'Almost all his other celebrity chums and hangers-on vanished “when the money dried up, which was saddening. Yes, very saddening,” he says, quietly'
though with my own BiPolar im sometimes shocked by how many of my friends stick around for me. I've always liked Slatterys quirky character, the last I saw of him was a villager he played in Stephen Fry's 'Kingdom' tv series where Slattery still showed he was a talent.
I always loved that version WLIIA with the likes of Mike McShane, Ryan ?, Colin Mockery, etc. Drew Cary was good later but I preferred Clive Anderson who was very funny on HIGNFY and QI.
It might have been the film in the photo I once saw with Slattery in. Very good. Wasn't it about Stephen Fry's character inviting them all to a country house where he told them he had HIV?
It is sad about his friends. It's difficult to comment without knowing more. Given he was seen more as a substance misuser they may have be fighting against denial he was ready to admit the problems but he clearly did do that with the cocaine after his mum found it, to his credit. But these types of disorders, as I suspect you will know more from your journey through it seeing those around you, they come with addictive personalities or obsessive traits that can be mistaken and remain untreated until it reaches that point where the person has done enough to warrant them sitting in an assessment. But it does make me question whether he would have been supported more if they had known this?
And sometimes you have to walk away to look after yourself. There is that cliché about hitting rock bottom before wanting to change but it seems such a gamble when some just end up on the streets or prison in even worse states.
All credit to his partner for sticking by him through it all. Top bloke!
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Yasmin Alibhai-Brown makes an interesting point about where the anowflakes might be in UK politics at the moment
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/roger-sc...rdan-peterson/
I must admit I did think Roger Scrutons recent rally against the left, diversity & enemies of the west was a bit rich and yet apparently he had reason to be irked as he was misrepresented however he was apoplectic & suddenly all sorts came to Rogers aid
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Yasmin Alibhai-Brown makes an interesting point about where the anowflakes might be in UK politics at the moment
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/roger-sc...rdan-peterson/
I must admit I did think Roger Scrutons recent rally against the left, diversity & enemies of the west was a bit rich and yet apparently he had reason to be irked as he was misrepresented however he was apoplectic & suddenly all sorts came to Rogers aid
That might depend on who you see as "the right"? That then means "the left" should be judged based on their more loony representatives to the far left.
It's valid in isolation. I guess it's part of the back & forth of the left vs right issue those further to each side engage in? Not sure if that's where she sits but I did notice her championing Lammy for having a go at far right reps so perhaps a healthy bit of scepticism about her affiliations. Regardless the whole binary you vs us stuff is likely why most people will read the celeb stories over the political ones. It's so negative. So much arguing who's way is right when there is no such thing and never has been. Until we all become clones we have to learn to accept the others sides right to have their views whether we agree of not.
When it's all back & forth in a good vs evil way you wonder how people live in the real world. :shrug:
And somewhere in the middle, the rest of us looking around thinking both sides are loons. :winks:
Steeler's Wheel time "snowflakes to the left of me, gammons to the right" but the original lyrics seem to work just as well :biggrin:
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That might depend on who you see as "the right"? That then means "the left" should be judged based on their more loony representatives to the far left.
It's valid in isolation. I guess it's part of the back & forth of the left vs right issue those further to each side engage in? Not sure if that's where she sits but I did notice her championing Lammy for having a go at far right reps so perhaps a healthy bit of scepticism about her affiliations. Regardless the whole binary you vs us stuff is likely why most people will read the celeb stories over the political ones. It's so negative. So much arguing who's way is right when there is no such thing and never has been. Until we all become clones we have to learn to accept the others sides right to have their views whether we agree of not.
When it's all back & forth in a good vs evil way you wonder how people live in the real world. :shrug:
And somewhere in the middle, the rest of us looking around thinking both sides are loons. :winks:
Steeler's Wheel time "snowflakes to the left of me, gammons to the right" but the original lyrics seem to work just as well :biggrin:
I think the point I was making really was that we know the alt-right likes to roll out the term Snowflake for any human rights protest or social responsibility concern from the Left that its interesting that there is much behaviour that might fit that on the right as well as the left.
I agree with you that its all part of the back and forth between the left and the right.
There is a spectrum of people that you may have political conversations with and I think in my head you only perhaps have a constructive dialogue with people who are a couple of steps from you oin that spectrum where as more than that your ideaology makes it harder to listen to their point of view.
e.g. I made this up !!!
Alt Right - Conservative Right - Centrist Right - Centre - Centre Left - Socialist Left - Extreme Left
Reactionary - Status Quo - Social Reform - Radical
???
eg Socialist Left can talk constructively to the Centrist Right but harder further along
Alt Right can talk to the Centre Left but harder further along to find any common ground
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I think the point I was making really was that we know the alt-right likes to roll out the term Snowflake for any human rights protest or social responsibility concern from the Left that its interesting that there is much behaviour that might fit that on the right as well as the left.
I agree with you that its all part of the back and forth between the left and the right.
There is a spectrum of people that you may have political conversations with and I think in my head you only perhaps have a constructive dialogue with people who are a couple of steps from you oin that spectrum where as more than that your ideaology makes it harder to listen to their point of view.
e.g. I made this up !!!
Alt Right - Conservative Right - Centrist Right - Centre - Centre Left - Socialist Left - Extreme Left
Reactionary - Status Quo - Social Reform - Radical
???
eg Socialist Left can talk constructively to the Centrist Right but harder further along
Alt Right can talk to the Centre Left but harder further along to find any common ground
Yes, it's the nature of hypocrites. I think the thing about the snowflake label is more that those to the left are more likely to be viewed as "pure" or innocent whereas those to the right are less likely to be viewed in this way.
It's all nonsense. Just look at "gammon". There are as many middle aged white shouty men on the left as on the right.
Such terms focus on white. Tons of ethnic minorities are right wing. Asian cultures are big on making a success of yourself in a traditional manner and having a traditional family unit. They won't be targeted by this type of rhetoric in fear of racism being raised. I often wonder how this all works in countries where white people are ethnic minorities? Maybe they don't bother with it and it's a Western thing?
For instance, shedloads of Asian votes in the Midlands would have been for Brexit. I am yet to see people trashing them for it. We see "turkeys voting for Christmas" trotted out at the working class but I'm yet to see some version for ethnic minorities who don't vote on the left.
Due to the community aspect they tend to vote for candidates from their communities in locals too. My local councillor is Muslim, and he seems pretty good. He will likely attract more votes from the local Asian community on my doorstep and I don't see a problem with that really. Many vote in tribal ways a lot of the time if we understand the values of the candidates although it would be better if we didn't. I voted for him last time and have again in today's local elections as at least this young guy seems to care unlike the Labour woman who has a tendency not to even bother canvassing in this "donkey with a red rosette" country. Even if he doesn't, it keeps the other parties on their toes if they have to fight in marginals. I would like to see strongholds gone.
But I guess that's the point of diversity. Look at all the whining in the US about people not voting against Trump because they should be siding with the shining light of Clinton. The black vote tumbled after Obama so they clearly don't think it's like this but they did vote for someone they thought might prioritise their issues.
I agree with you about constructive dialogue. Maybe it's also a matter of those closer are more willing to listen and less likely to shout labels? But then doesn't that make those people more likely to be closer to the centre? I wonder if those they engage with to the farther edges of left & right are as willing? Perhaps they will engage ore even if they don't agree as they are less likely to have that big wall between them that is hatred?
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I guess the question is whether he's a whistleblower to save us or an untrustworthy minister who could break the rukes whenever he feels like it? I'm sure some are championing his security breach because they don't want the Chinese involved who would otherwise be slating him for it. If breaching that meeting isn't enough to warrant a criminal offence, when we could breach the Official Secrets Acts in much smaller ways and face jail time, then I don't know what is? However they may take the view he has fallen on his sword for the country?
Not read about Grayling yet. Is that the contract to the company that had no ferries? If he fancies it I could pick up a few old barges, I could do with £50m! I'm sure Uncle Albert could captain one :yesyes:
Great news about the petition to get rid of that dodgy Labour MP. I doubt many could vote for her considering her arrogance and willingness to pervert the course of justice. I did laugh when the judge threw her appeal out, and what an amateur attempt it was (she's a solicitor! :ohmy:) :yesyes:
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Gavin Williamson accused and sacked over allegedly letting the public know Mrs May was making yet another big mistake in wanting to allow Chinese tech firm Huawei into a position of potential national security compromise. Did Mr Williamson do the deed? If so, hero or villain? Was he set up? Did Sir Mark Sedwill (a high-ranking civil servant) metaphorically punch him out because he posed a ‘risk’ to the government/Mrs May? Is Mr Williamson now in the running for next leader of the Conservatives?
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