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AntsyVee
I 100% agree with you, glassgirl. And the other thing is even what we're doing in California isn't completely effective. Our measures worked really well until Halloween. Then once the holidays came around, people ignored them. And now our cases are in a rapid increase like the rest of the country.
Have they found why that happened, Vee? Why people stopped bothering?
When they brought masks in I noticed people gave up cleaning their hands. Social distancing also declined.
One big factor is lack of control. Once door marshals disappeared it became the usual free for all. So I think more needs to become regulatory and forced onto businesses.
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t0rt01se36
Advice needed please.
I suffer with Anxiety and intrusive thoughts.
Next week I have the chance to meet someone (socially distancing of course) and I want to know how safe I will be, outside? I really don't want to cancel and am prepared to wear a mask, but the whole scenario is making me worse.
The person I am meeting will be travelling out of my county before visiting me and before that, be travelling in a different tier.
Tort,
If you are maintaining a distance the only other thing to consider is if you would touch the same objects. If you do you could cleanse your hands and avoid touching anything until you do. Otherwise it's a matter of the usual self protection we do when we travel i.e. social distancing, mask, cleansing, etc.
If it's not a crowded outside area then you can keep a good distance.
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BikerMatt
Although I do share your zero fear of covid-19, personally I have been truly sickened by peoples attitudes here in the UK.
I don't think people here in the UK have the attitude of there isn't a virus, they've had the attitude of "I can't be bothered" or resist missing out on a habitual activity, whilst myself and the majority have done our absolute upmost to protect others.
This isn't a pop at you Novious, but due to things being done wrong by governments and the public we are now relying on these vaccines when so much is unproven and we're struggling to gain more fact.
Hey Matt! How's it going?
No offense taken my friend. You're entitled to your own opinion. I appreciate your willingness to engage. Did you happen to read the piece I attached to my post? Just wondering what your thoughts are on it.
My attitude is sort of like the one you mentioned...Of course there's a virus but I don't follow protocols because I believe they're essentially useless and more harmful to society than the virus...especially the lockdowns. Not one business, school, church, etc, should have shuttered. Health institutions should.have warned of perceived dangers and let people decide for themselves. What we're witnessing now is about control not compassion. I'll not be a part of it.
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Pamplemousse
Oh, this is this CFR versus IFR thing again, isn't it? Still, at the moment it still looks to me like an overall risk of 2 to 3 percent of death at the moment if you get it - a rough calculation puts the UK at 3%.
Couple of things. As testing capacity has increased the mortality rate has decreased along with it. In the first wave of this pandemic, we were only testing those ill enough to require medical intervention. Common sense dictates that if you’re hospitalised with this virus your chances of dying are of course greatly increased.
At that time, the mortality rate was in the region of around 4-5%. That gradually lowered to 3-4% as testing capacity improved and as it has improved further, it’s now around 2-3%. So again, there’s no reason to think that if testing was expanded further that we wouldn’t see another drop in the true mortality rate.
Calculations are only valid if the numbers you’re crunching are accurate in the first place. Most epidemiologists and virologists estimate that the true mortality rate is actually below 1% of cases. Asymptomatic cases appear to make up a fair percentage of cases and of course, certain symptoms can be so vague that a test is never performed and the case is never found.
The problem is that even a mortality rate of 1% can be a very high number of deaths if the virus is highly infectious which, unfortunately, this virus is.
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Professor Hugh Pennington comprehensively dismantled Hancock's claims this morning on BBC News and basically said that the reason it's spreading so quickly in the South-East is simply because people are not following the advice on distancing and other matters - and he thinks the Christmas break is ill-advised and we'll pay the price for it come January.
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I had a slight sore throat yesterday today I coughed once and had a slight tickle my worry is I could have caught covid from somewhere?
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Gary A
Couple of things. As testing capacity has increased the mortality rate has decreased along with it. In the first wave of this pandemic, we were only testing those ill enough to require medical intervention. Common sense dictates that if you’re hospitalised with this virus your chances of dying are of course greatly increased.
At that time, the mortality rate was in the region of around 4-5%. That gradually lowered to 3-4% as testing capacity improved and as it has improved further, it’s now around 2-3%. So again, there’s no reason to think that if testing was expanded further that we wouldn’t see another drop in the true mortality rate.
Calculations are only valid if the numbers you’re crunching are accurate in the first place. Most epidemiologists and virologists estimate that the true mortality rate is actually below 1% of cases. Asymptomatic cases appear to make up a fair percentage of cases and of course, certain symptoms can be so vague that a test is never performed and the case is never found.
The problem is that even a mortality rate of 1% can be a very high number of deaths if the virus is highly infectious which, unfortunately, this virus is.
Hi Gary, how's it going?
The mortality rate for the virus is about 2 in every 1000 cases. That is well below 1%. The abject terror is not warranted.
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noivous - please stop posting links that the admins then remove. Thanks
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Oh I didn't know you were removing links. Why are you removing links?
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The link I attached is a very good article. From a rock solid source. I thought this was "No More Panic".
The article I posted goes a long way to alleviating people's fears...i.e. "No More Panic" I thought that's what we wanted here.