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    Please help, anyone. I have been suffering from a genuine physical health problem for nearly a year...and I am at a point now where I fear I am going to lose my sanity.

    Since around February, I have been having this problem where if I got angry or stressed I itched like crazy, like a monkey, every part of my body, accompanied by little red dots that faded within minutes if not sooner...but it also occurred with physical activity, exercise, moving something heavy, or just being too hot. Heat is a key factor here. In the course of this past year, it grew worse and worse. I have seen 2 dermatologists for a total of 4 appts, one regular MD, a nurse practioner, and an allergy immunologist, and despite describing these symptoms down to a tee to each one, I got told anything from "Just Stress" to "a dust mite allergy reaction."

    Let me put it this way, Feb-June it was a nuisance, June - Aug it was annoying, Aug - late Sept it became troublesome then worrisome, and by late Sept it had become a crisis. It had gotten so bad that my simple emotions had become so ultra sensitive to it, that just watching a simple TV program or listening to music caused my chest to literally burn, accompanied by a reddish rash, red dots. Ehem..."intimate" time also burned, especially in my feet. Of course, I thought I was going out of my mind, how could stress or a dust mite allergy be causing this??? How???

    In the second week of October, I believe I found my answer, a diagnosis I had to come to myself. "Cholinergic Urticaria." For some unknown reason, the body's sympathetic or parasympathetic nervous system (one of those two, cant remember which) sort of becomes over stimulated. When one gets physically, hot, aka the core body temp rises, or even more simply you get stressed, or exercise or exert, or get anxious, or nervous, or really happy, or scared, or emotionally moved (basically...if you live!) you get this horrible reaction. The nerve endings release acetocholine, which is supposed to make you sweat but instead releases histamine which makes you itch and sting and burn and of course, little red dots! (those are actually hives or urticaria) It had developed a very severe case of it.

    Unfortunately, I had come to this conclusion too late. The week before, I had my most severe, traumatizing attack. It was so severe and agonizing, it brought me to the floor and I broke down crying. It felt as if thousands of hot pins and needles were stabbing me all over my chest and arms, when it had mostly passed, i saw hundreds of the tiny dots all over my body. I had no idea what was happening, I was convinced I was dying, that I had lymphoma or cancer. After all, I had seen so many doctors and no one so much as once uttered anything resembling urticaria. The medication they had given me, an antihistamine hydroxyzine was worthless. So I was convinced that no medication could help me. I slipped into a deep depression, I stopped eating (convinced it could also be something I was consuming) and would spend most of my days in bed, crying or questioning my sanity.

    I really believe that I may be suffering some form of PTSD or an acute stress disorder from that one particular attack. Nearly 3 months later, I keep reliving it in some way. It continuously gives me distressing thoughts that plague me, the event was so horrifying to me. I avoid any reminders of that evening. I can remember the date, the time, what I had eaten just 10 minutes before and even what movie was on TV. It sounds kind of silly, but I purposely avoid that movie now, close my eyes and flip the channel or leave the room. I avoid that food I had eaten. I even avoid the clothes I wore. Worst of all, though, I can't avoid any mental triggers, because they are involuntarily occuring out of my own body. I cannot escape my body. Even a minor tingle or itch or a few hives, even though they are nowhere near as severe, keeps bringing me back to that night. I start on this crazy train of thoughts, that it will happen again at any moment, or that it will just keep happening, that i will be stuck in this painful agonizing body, or that any potential treatment won't work at all or it will work but then stop working, or that it will go away and stay away, but randomly come roaring back.

    I am 24 years old and I feel as if I have no more future. I will never be independent, never have a new career, never meet a partner, never travel. I have no interest in my former favorite things. I used to be a total bibliophile (lover of books). I got some wonderful books for christmas but they made me sad. They reminded me how I used to be just a short few months ago. My mood waxes and wanes from bits of happiness to sinking into depressed dark moods, to anger and irritability, over sensitivity to sounds. I try to have hopeful thoughts for the future. This condition usually fades on its own but that could take years. Instead, the memory of that event keeps intruding in my mind. I see myself collapsed on the floor writhing in agony and that no one can help me, then I have to leave the room and be alone. I'll usually tear up and cry. I look at my family members and just wish I could be normal again like them.

    Thoughts that my life is not worth living cross my mind (not suicide, but just feeling like crawling in a whole and staying there) but I do my best to soldier on, as if it's a fight for "future me" who exists as a happy man with a life free of his condition. He exists only because I stuck around and didnt give in. Thats what keeps me going. What is so infuriating is that this is a fairly common condition and I am right within the age group this mostly occurs. Everything I described should have been picked up by at least one damn doctor. Perhaps I could have prepared for it mentally and not get stressed that I was dying or anything. The allergist looked at me like I was nuts when I said I'd break out on the treadmill and itch like crazy with red dots. She should have said either cholinergic urticaria or at the very least exercise induced urticaria, which is a real condition. But no, i got told nothing. Now the damage is done in my head. Most things I have read from other sufferers is that not much helps them, few anti-histamines work.

    In addition to the problem itself, I feel I have become overly sensitive to the sensation of itch, an itch that I cannot scratch. I fear now that I will develop some sort of psychogenic itch and they will lock me up, that i will lose my sanity because of itch....then of course, it also triggers my memories of that Oct attack. God, i'm screwed up, and in such a short amount of time. If you told me just four months ago that it would get this bad, I wouldve told you you're nuts! Why cant I forget that memory? Why does it cause me such distress? I am going to see a new allergy immunologist next week who is supposed to be very good, but now I fear I need mental help as well before I reach some point of no return. Are there psychologists or therapists that specialize in problems stemming from physical health problem? I need help. It's hard to admit, but I do. I want the old me back.

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    Re: PLEASE HELP: acute stress or PTSD following traumatic health attack

    I'm sorry that you had such a bad experience. It does sound very frightening and I'm not surprised that you feel traumatised by it. It sounds as though your appointment with the dermatologist will help, as maybe you can confirm the diagnosis and get some medication for it. Remember that the people writing about this stuff on the internet are the worst case scenarios, because those who have been successfully treated are out there getting on with their lives.
    I went to a hypnototist who taught me some tapping, it's called EFT and this can be helpfuk for coping with traumatic flashbacks apparently, although this isn't a problem I personally suffer from. I have also been reading about EMDR which is a therapy using eye movement. This has been shown in trials to be at least as effective as anti depressants in treating PTSD, so it might be worth you finding out more about it. Best wishes to you x

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    Re: PLEASE HELP: acute stress or PTSD following traumatic health attack

    Wow Mr. K,

    That's a hell of a post. I'm sorry you're under such duress. You've been seen by several medical professionals and they were unable to confirm your self diagnosis. It's good that you will be seeing another allergy specialist as you need to confirm that indeed it's an actual physical ailment.

    That being said, I've read all kinds of physical manifestations from anxiety on this forum. It's mind boggling what the mind can do to you physically. I have no doubt in my mind that the issues I've read about were real physical symptoms. With the exception of one or two, all of them turned out to be reactions to stresses caused to the body by anxiety.

    Based on what I'm reading in your post, it would truly be in your best interest to seek some help in dealing with what's happening mentally. I can see in your words the desperation. You also seem to be in a place mentally where you are able to seek the help you need. Do so before the depression takes over.

    I have a son your age and if it were him suffering as you are I would drag his rear to get some help I hope you do and get to the root of the issues that are causing you such distress. Even if this turns out to be a physical issue, still seek help for the mental anguish this is causing you.

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    Re: PLEASE HELP: acute stress or PTSD following traumatic health attack

    Thank you for your response. I have no doubt in my mind that I have developed a secondary depression and anxiety since either the attack or from a few weeks prior to it as the symptoms became more dire. I know I have a physical ailment that's genuine. Anxiety wouldn't cause me to break out in hives and itch running on a treadmill, alone, with no one else around except me and the treadmill...unless I am concerned that the treadmill is thinking something negatively about my exercise practices. Unfortunately, cholinergic urticaria is an all too real ailment and so many people suffer. What really stunk was I saw one of those dermatologists again, and mentioned the name and all he could say was "oh..cholinergic urticaria? yeah, uh huh, mm hmm yup. so just, ya know, where loose clothing..." Nevermind the fact that I saw him 2x already and described those symptoms and he never said anything, now he suddenly agrees with my diagnosis?? Thanks for nothing. Hopefully my new immunologist, who came highly recommended, will be much more sympathetic and willing to work with me. In my research, I have come across studies that have indicated that any type of chronic urticaria can be just as demoralizing and debiliting as heart disease or kidney problems...so yeah, im gonna need some mental help to get me through this too. plus, i think all the depression and anxiety is over-exaggerating my symptoms now, leaving me helpless. So need to get a handle on that. It's sad because it primarily occurs in late teens - mid 20s (tho any age can be affected). All I can do is think of all those poor young guys and gals who think they've suddenly become freaks of nature, shutting themselves in their rooms from friends and family, and their doctors give them no useful advice. They treat it as if it were just a minor annoyance...when in reality it's shaking you to the core of your being. Unfortunately there is no immediate cure. Believe it or not tho, one of the more hard core but usually more effective symptomatic treatments is tricyclic anti-depressants (namely Doxepin). That would be my next treatment course. My sanity is dependent on it working and continuing to work...unfortunately with chronic urticaria, often times a pill just stops being effective.




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    Quote Originally Posted by cattia View Post
    I'm sorry that you had such a bad experience. It does sound very frightening and I'm not surprised that you feel traumatised by it. It sounds as though your appointment with the dermatologist will help, as maybe you can confirm the diagnosis and get some medication for it. Remember that the people writing about this stuff on the internet are the worst case scenarios, because those who have been successfully treated are out there getting on with their lives.
    I went to a hypnototist who taught me some tapping, it's called EFT and this can be helpfuk for coping with traumatic flashbacks apparently, although this isn't a problem I personally suffer from. I have also been reading about EMDR which is a therapy using eye movement. This has been shown in trials to be at least as effective as anti depressants in treating PTSD, so it might be worth you finding out more about it. Best wishes to you x
    Thanks for responding. I think in some way mine was made so much worse because I was given a simple diagnosis. If I had been told what I had early on in the summer, I could have faced it better, prepared myself, perhaps changed my diet and habits sooner. One common feature in CU is that many people are able to sort of flush there body of histamines (the stuff that makes u itch and hive up) by exerting themselves and exercising hard, fighting through the pain of the burning itch until they sweat and then they feel fine for a few hours if not for the rest of the day. I actually experienced that and could never understand why that was so. I even explained that to the original allergist I saw, that I moved something so heavy I felt flushed out but in a good way. She could care less. In the UK, as I understand it, there is a program called "Embarrassing Bodies" I believe, about people with odd health problems. One episode, according to a description I read, actually covered a young fellow with Cholinergic Urticaria. He prescribed him a cocktail of different anti-histamines apparently, and told him to keep exercising, get on the treadmill to burn off the excess histamine and tackle the root of the problem. I wish I could have had a smart doctor like that. Now I feel I have passed that point. When I get on the treadmill, the tingling and stinging is too intense to burn off. I just hope one day, to be an old man looking back at this period of my life with curiosity and disbelief, barely able to comprehend that I ever suffered so bad. Oh well, fingers crossed.

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    Re: PLEASE HELP: acute stress or PTSD following traumatic health attack

    I don't think you necessarily need a counselor who specializes in this--I suspect your physical experience is leading you to hunt for a specialist even in a case where a generalist could probably help. I'd just find somebody you had a good recommendation for now.

    I'll note also that the medical literature indicates many people have found successful treatments for this and other chronic urticaria (a lot of people have it without any identifiable cause, as I'm sure you've seen), and that the people who post about an illness are always going to be skewed toward those who haven't found a workable management strategy. There's no reason to think you'll be among them.

    And even if an earlier doctor had given you a diagnosis the same thing would be happening--they'd start you on antihistamines and then experiment with new ones and other medications, perhaps in combination, to see what would mitigate the problem. Chronic stuff takes a while whether it's mental or physical.

    If you're anywhere near a decent medical school, it can be good to have a consult there, since they see more stubborn and unusual stuff than your basic local HMO. Often they'll have a local recommendation for a doctor, too, since people who do residencies and fellowships with them go on to practice elsewhere.

    Good luck! Chronic sucks, but there's lots that might help you with this.

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    Mr. Key,

    "Cholinergic urticaria" as you know, is a really just fancy word for "hives". Essentially you got them, albeit a rather acute case, from some kind of physical stimulus, be it exercise, sweating, or indeed stress. Probably a combination of all of the above, your stress aggravating it. A dermatologist's reaction is understandable as it's pretty normal stuff by their standards and certainly not serious. A PITA yes, but not serious or life threatening.

    Diet, an allergy medication (antihistamine) and indeed "loose clothing" are treatments. While it's a PITA for sure, it's not unusual and many people get them. I've had small outbreaks due to various things throughout my live as have most people. Bottom line, it's treatable and certainly not something that is debilitating as you believe it to be.

    The result of your experience however has done some damage, as evidenced clearly in your OP. That can be treated as well. Althea's post is right on.

    You'll get it straightened out and live your life as all of us will. Probably outgrow it as well. I had severe allergies as a child. I as allergic to everything and broke out with rashes and hives and such. I eventually outgrew most of them with the exception of the standard stuff, tree pollen, ragweed etc. A daily OTC generic Claritin does the trick for me. They'll find something that works for you too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Althea View Post
    I don't think you necessarily need a counselor who specializes in this--I suspect your physical experience is leading you to hunt for a specialist even in a case where a generalist could probably help. I'd just find somebody you had a good recommendation for now.

    I'll note also that the medical literature indicates many people have found successful treatments for this and other chronic urticaria (a lot of people have it without any identifiable cause, as I'm sure you've seen), and that the people who post about an illness are always going to be skewed toward those who haven't found a workable management strategy. There's no reason to think you'll be among them.

    And even if an earlier doctor had given you a diagnosis the same thing would be happening--they'd start you on antihistamines and then experiment with new ones and other medications, perhaps in combination, to see what would mitigate the problem. Chronic stuff takes a while whether it's mental or physical.

    If you're anywhere near a decent medical school, it can be good to have a consult there, since they see more stubborn and unusual stuff than your basic local HMO. Often they'll have a local recommendation for a doctor, too, since people who do residencies and fellowships with them go on to practice elsewhere.

    Good luck! Chronic sucks, but there's lots that might help you with this.

    Thanks again for commenting. I think I would have preferred a doctor had given me this diagnosis so much earlier, like I said, perhaps I could have mentally prepared my self for it better and perhaps it wouldn't have gotten so bad, but that's in the past now and I cannot change that. I guess you could say I have had a bad experience with doctors in the past, with this, and even further back. Believe it or not, and you might think this an "ah hah" moment, but I had a somewhat similar problem years ago in HS. I would itch (albeit a very surface related itch, no where near as agonizing, no pinching, stabbing, bee stinging feeling and absolutely no hives, just a nice surface itch to scratch if I got nervous, or if I exerted myself or exercised and the temp was too hot. Went to a whole bunch of doctors and allergists…eventually they told me I had a "General Anxiety Disorder," and before I knew it I was one some potent anti-depressants, zoloft, klonopin, cymbalta, as well as anti-histamines for the itch. After several months on this, I noticed absolutely no change in my alleged anxiety and my itch continued when hot. Every appt the psychiatrist would up the dosage, but nothing changed. Eventually I started to second guess this diagnosis. I felt zombified, yet still itched. Eventually I weaned myself off and stopped the anti-depressants…BUT I kept taking the anti-histamines (hydroxyzine, which may explain why it was worthless this time around, as well as cetrizine and lortadine). That combo worked perfect for what I defined as my "heat allergy." Over time, I stopped needing the hydroxyzine. In time, I didn't need the OTC stuff either. Then it just became a distant memory. When this problem emerged in Feb, I thought my heat itch problem had returned after years of dormancy, but as I came to find it was so much more severe and now accompanied a rash and nightmarishly painful urticaria. So it's possible they share similarities but are not exactly the same problem. More troubling tho, in retrospect, it seems like I was unnecessarily given anti-depressants for a strictly physical problem.

    Fortunately I have very good insurance at the moment so I guess I am making the most of it, seeing the best docs I can. I think as far as things like therapy go, I guess I need help accepting the problem that I have. I guess I didn't get a chance to really understand it, and now I feel like I have something inside me that I cannot live with, sort of the way Oscar Wilde spoke of the gaudy wallpaper that surrounded him on his deathbed: along the lines of "Either it goes, or i do!" I intend that it is the wallpaper (my urticaria) that goes and not I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishmanpa View Post
    Mr. Key,

    "Cholinergic urticaria" as you know, is a really just fancy word for "hives". Essentially you got them, albeit a rather acute case, from some kind of physical stimulus, be it exercise, sweating, or indeed stress. Probably a combination of all of the above, your stress aggravating it. A dermatologist's reaction is understandable as it's pretty normal stuff by their standards and certainly not serious. A PITA yes, but not serious or life threatening.

    Diet, an allergy medication (antihistamine) and indeed "loose clothing" are treatments. While it's a PITA for sure, it's not unusual and many people get them. I've had small outbreaks due to various things throughout my live as have most people. Bottom line, it's treatable and certainly not something that is debilitating as you believe it to be.

    The result of your experience however has done some damage, as evidenced clearly in your OP. That can be treated as well. Althea's post is right on.

    You'll get it straightened out and live your life as all of us will. Probably outgrow it as well. I had severe allergies as a child. I as allergic to everything and broke out with rashes and hives and such. I eventually outgrew most of them with the exception of the standard stuff, tree pollen, ragweed etc. A daily OTC generic Claritin does the trick for me. They'll find something that works for you too.

    Positive thoughts
    Thanks for commenting again. As far as the dermatologist is concerned, I wish he would have said what I had…not agree with me when I had to come up with it on my own, after I had already crashed and burned into depression and built up a bevy of food phobias and anxiety. Plus, it did not help that the medications they had me on were not working. The hydroxyzine, which I had been taking for months, had screwed up my circadian rhythm so much that I was going to bed at 6-7am and sleeping until 4-5pm. Then when I woke up, I started to itch again. So that helped heap on the depression and anxiety. Of course, if I had known what condition I had, I would have learned that hydroxyzine is one of the first meds to crap out on people pretty quickly. At the time, I required heavy duty doses and combos, which any or all of the docs would have known if they properly diagnosed me, but instead they all were telling me DO NOT go over 50 mgs of hydroxyzine. DO NOT take more than one Allegra or Levocetrizine (the souped up prescription cousin of cetrizine) and further more, they acted surprised when I told them these meds were not working which only added to my anxiety. THEM: "Really? that didn't work? hmm That's strange" ME: What?? What do you mean? Oh no! Clearly there is something much wronger with me than they are spotting! The reality is in stubborn cases of CU, doctors will often prescribe, off the bottle recommendations, such as a major pill like doxepin, plus 2 allegra or 2 zyrtec, plus a lortadine. Not being the one with a med school degree, I had no clue about this. Instead, Im just getting advice about dust mite covers, then getting told the doctor has to reschedule for another week ahead of the already 2 weeks I have been waiting for my next appointment as my hives grew out of control.

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