Magnesium helped me

[MyNameIsTerry]

Just started taking magnesium glycinate, 2 x 150, at bedtime. So far, so good. Not sure where I could purchase taurine, but will look at the health food store. So, it is felt that taurine helps with it's absorption then?

Taurine doesn't help magnesium absorb as far as I know. They combine the amino acid, taurine, with magnesium via binding as these 2 elements cause a synergistic effect when combined - they cause each other to have a stronger effect.

These forms of magnesium can be found quite easily but not many manufacturers seem to be making them so there is less choice. Check the ingredients, some have very little in for a similiar price to some that have quite a lot in.

Taurine can also be purchased on its own and you can find it everywhere because the bodybuilding world have been using it for decades.

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Your 1,000 mg epa daily, is this mainly for brain health? My liquid omega has 525 epa/225 dha, if I double that, will I be getting "too much" dha? I normally eat very little processed food, just the occasional gluten-free pasta. (No soy or soy lecithin, not even soy oil in salad dressings.) So I expect I'm not getting too much dha via diet.

This might help answer some questions Marie:

http://www.dhaomega3.org/Frequently-Asked-Questions

You won't be getting too much, there are supplements that have EPA & DHA set at higher than 1200mg each.

There don't seem to be studies on maximums for things like this but something interesting to consider is the diet of certain countries such as Japan and the Northern Europeans who seem to have a better state of health which is largely related to fresh food and greater intake of fish. These countries are already getting a lot more EPA/DHA in their diet so there would be a crossover into poor health if it were a bad thing.

Oosh has a thread about fish oil and he has been looking into the ratio issue so perhaps post something on there, he updates it pretty quickly. I know its recommended as 2:1 but a lot of supplements are closer to 1:1 but I'm not clear on whether there is any competition between the 2.

From what I can tell, DHA has an effect on GLA thus preventing anti inflammatory creation from it so may need some supplementation if DHA is high as seen here http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...en-epa-and-dha but the problem is, it doesn't state what is high so more research is going to be needed to determine that before you start reincorporating GLA. So, I'm less sure about competition between EPA & DHA now as it appears that DHA can't fit into the active catalytic sites of the enzyme that EPA competes with delta5-desaturase (D5D).

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For people on here who struggle to tolerate tablets or swallow them, there is a further option of transdermal magnesium. I don't know much about it but its supposed to be easily absorbed by the skin and I'm guessing it avoids the gastro/absorption/discarding issues of the gut & other organs.

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Another one of Bob's thread here on the GAD board with some interesting discussions about taurate.

http://www.nomorepanic.co.uk/showthread.php?t=160477

I posted a sports article in there that talks a lot about taurine which may be useful in understanding its functions in the human body.

[Bonkersbob1710]

Hi again, I would not want to take something that gives me more diarrohea - so magnesium taurate was recommended. This has not given me any trouble at all. Citrate, chelate are not for me! Glycinate ok. Mag/taurate the best.

Thanks

[MrAndy]

I take zma which is zinc magnesium asparate
It never gives me a bad tummy.zma also contains b6 which helps it's absorption
It gives me awesome dreams and helps me sleep http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZMA_(supplement)

[MyNameIsTerry]

I take zma which is zinc magnesium asparate
It never gives me a bad tummy.zma also contains b6 which helps it's absorption
It gives me awesome dreams and helps me sleep http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZMA_(supplement)

Thats a testosterone sparing supplement from the bodybuilding world isn't it MrAndy?

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A useful article here:

http://www.ancient-minerals.com/magnesium-supplements/

Magnesium amino acid chelates include:

• Magnesium Glycinate
• Magnesium Lysinate
• Magnesium Orotate
• Magnesium Taurate

Acid complexes of magnesium and their subset, amino acid chelates, are generally more readily absorbed by the body. They rely not on solubility but on protein pathways for bio-availability.
Only magnesium chloride, a magnesium mineral salt with extremely high solubility, has been found in medical studies to match or surpass the absorption of these forms of magnesium.

[MrAndy]

Thats a testosterone sparing supplement from the bodybuilding world isn't it MrAndy?

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A useful article here:

http://www.ancient-minerals.com/magnesium-supplements/

Magnesium amino acid chelates include:

• Magnesium Glycinate
• Magnesium Lysinate
• Magnesium Orotate
• Magnesium Taurate

Acid complexes of magnesium and their subset, amino acid chelates, are generally more readily absorbed by the body. They rely not on solubility but on protein pathways for bio-availability.
Only magnesium chloride, a magnesium mineral salt with extremely high solubility, has been found in medical studies to match or surpass the absorption of these forms of magnesium.

Yes but they use it for recuperation at bed time
It definitley helps my sleep,you can tell when you take because you get very vivid dreams and wake rested

[MyNameIsTerry]

I've been looking into magnesium the last couple of nights as I want to give this stuff a try myself. I'm thinking it might help address my fatigue issues as well and the fact my asthma seems to have become worse in the last 10 years. Its only the start, I think there will need to be other supplements to add in to tackle this as well.

When I've been reading I posted a some of the information above incase it helps anyone. I also came across another form - angstrom-size magnesium which are in their most basic form and do not need the digestive tract to be absorbed so perhaps these will help with side effects? Also, from doing some of this reading it appears that there are some issues with the absorption rate of magnesium supplements and this, the transdermal and chloride versions might be the best to avoid this...or at least maybe we should be supplementing with these as well to beef the levels up and avoid the losses???

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Yes but they use it for recuperation at bed time
It definitley helps my sleep,you can tell when you take because you get very vivid dreams and wake rested

I remember taking a few cycles of this myself many years ago when I was training but I can't really remember much about it. I think I'll have to have a look at it MrAndy, its benefits with zinc as well are likely to be very useful.

Do you use ones with additional elements as I know some use melatonin, fenugreek, etc.

It does look interesting in that it deepens REM sleep. Dreaming too much is said to be an issue with not getting enough deep sleep as seen in depression, so do you find that you are refreshed?

I notice a lot of REM can mean more 'morning glories' MrAndy

[chickpea]

Well, I've stopped taking magnesium the last couple of days and the diarrhoea has magically stopped too.
Obviously, it could have been a bug, so I will try the magnesium again in a few days and see what happens.
Meanwhile, I'll look into the alternative forms because I really do think it helped with anxiety.

[MrAndy]

I've been looking into magnesium the last couple of nights as I want to give this stuff a try myself. I'm thinking it might help address my fatigue issues as well and the fact my asthma seems to have become worse in the last 10 years. Its only the start, I think there will need to be other supplements to add in to tackle this as well.

When I've been reading I posted a some of the information above incase it helps anyone. I also came across another form - angstrom-size magnesium which are in their most basic form and do not need the digestive tract to be absorbed so perhaps these will help with side effects? Also, from doing some of this reading it appears that there are some issues with the absorption rate of magnesium supplements and this, the transdermal and chloride versions might be the best to avoid this...or at least maybe we should be supplementing with these as well to beef the levels up and avoid the losses???

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I remember taking a few cycles of this myself many years ago when I was training but I can't really remember much about it. I think I'll have to have a look at it MrAndy, its benefits with zinc as well are likely to be very useful.

Do you use ones with additional elements as I know some use melatonin, fenugreek, etc.

It does look interesting in that it deepens REM sleep. Dreaming too much is said to be an issue with not getting enough deep sleep as seen in depression, so do you find that you are refreshed?

I notice a lot of REM can mean more 'morning glories' MrAndy

Yes I get deep sleep and morning glory so it's a win win situation

[PaladinX]

Alrite.. im trying to figure this all out.. I could try and find taurate.. or i could get that glyincate and taurine separately... what i don't get.. it says you take 1,000 mg of taurine 3x a day.. isn't that total overkill?

So these two would be ok?

http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-tau...100-capsules-2
http://www.vitacost.com/carlson-chelated-magnesium

http://www.pureformulas.com/magnesiu...-formulas.html

Than there is this one.. but it only says 125mg.. and the ingredient as magnesium taurate.. But ive seen other brands that seperate the ingredients and list how much of each is in it.. now im confused again.

Also found this magnesium drink.. it says its ionic form of mag.. has a lot of good reviews on amazon.. Any thoughts.

http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Vitali...ustomerReviews

[MyNameIsTerry]

Yes I get deep sleep and morning glory so it's a win win situation

Has your missus ordered some more tubs then Mr Andy?!

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Alrite.. im trying to figure this all out.. I could try and find taurate.. or i could get that glyincate and taurine separately... what i don't get.. it says you take 1,000 mg of taurine 3x a day.. isn't that total overkill?

So these two would be ok?

http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-tau...100-capsules-2
http://www.vitacost.com/carlson-chelated-magnesium

http://www.pureformulas.com/magnesiu...-formulas.html

Than there is this one.. but it only says 125mg.. and the ingredient as magnesium taurate.. But ive seen other brands that seperate the ingredients and list how much of each is in it.. now im confused again.

Also found this magnesium drink.. it says its ionic form of mag.. has a lot of good reviews on amazon.. Any thoughts.

http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Vitali...ustomerReviews

http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-taurine-1000-mg-100-capsules-2 says 1 capsule a day at 1000mg each. If you take it on its own, it won't bring the enhancing effect it has on magnesium and vice versa.

The problem with this one http://www.vitacost.com/carlson-chelated-magnesium is that it doesn't break down how much magnesium and how much glycine is in it. It might be worth looking for other products with a similiar level to determine what the split may be or whether its even relevant...its just that when I've looked at the taurate version, some have a breakdown that shows a bias towards taurine and some a bias towards magnesium.

http://www.pureformulas.com/magnesiu...-formulas.html this one is 2 capsules a day at 125mg each. There is no split again on this one. I've seen taurate versions with a lot more in than this so its a question of whether you want to try a lower version first or want to go for the large quantities.

http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Vitali...ustomerReviews is a citrate version so its more likely to produce the side effects, unless its been balanced with something else to prevent this, so you would have to see if its for you or not.