The Government has admitted to releasing the death list of claimants.

[Dizzy_Dave]

After a hard fight and even when the Minister Of Manslaughter Iain Duncan Smith denied such a list even existed, the death list has been released (and you can bet it's even higher) in the first 6 weeks of being found 'fit for work' thousands have died. The figure is calculated to be more like 90,000 since the Tory welfare reforms started.
How can these murdering scum can get away with it? Innocent people are dying because of these fake tests designed to get you off benefits so they can cook the figures. They know people die as a result of their fake testing, so surely this is corporate manslaughter?

With all the poverty porn programmes on channel 5 which are designed to insight hatred for anyone who claims benefits (and is being funded by Rupert Murdoch the owner of the main tabloid newspapers which again demonise anyone on benefits) you would have thought again another law is being broken.

We live in a corrupt uncaring uncivilised country and world - my only hope is Jeremy Corbyn who has fought these welfare changes right from the start - if he can become leader of the Labour Party we have some hope - if not, we are doomed as the others just toe the line and never voted against any of this welfare reform, they let it go through!

Cameron and his cronies are out to make a name for themselves at the cost of our lives - well they have, welcome to Nazi Britain 2015.

Added: link that explains the 90,000 dead. http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/0...-nears-100000/

[MyNameIsTerry]

Is there a breakdown for how many under Labour rule too?

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...nt-dwp-figures

The FOIR seems to have been for a specific period though of Dec 2011-Feb 2014 and is 2,380 for those told they were fit and 7,200 added to ESA workgroups. Overall 50,580 recipients of ESA had died.

Where is the 90k from because these figures were reported 27/08/2015. Has there been a new report with vastly different findings?

[bernie1977]

Iain Duncan Smith is vile, I can't even stand to see his face. I honestly don't know how these people can sleep at night, they are sub human.

Re. the benefits programmes you've hit the nail on the head, they are designed to brain wash people into stereotyping everyone as layabouts who claim benefits. Obviously there are some out there who do that and they disgust me as they are partly responsible for the persecution of innocent people by the DWP.

With regards to Corbyn that would, in my opinion, be a nightmare if he ever became PM. He's too far left for my views as I don't like some of the ideals of socialists and think they would be a great danger to the security of this country. I've not liked him for many years so don't think I've just got my views from the media smear campaign. He cosied up to the IRA weeks after the Brighton bombings and calls them freedom fighters, they're cold blooded killers and terrorists. The same with the Islamic figures he mixes with, these are people who hate us and everything the West stands for. If Corbyn ran the country we wouldn't last as a Christian country for long.

If he wins the leadership I hope the Labour Party split and let the loony lefties form their own party and a more centre based party is formed with maybe Dan Jarvis as leader.

[Dizzy_Dave]

He didn't cosy up with anyone, he believes in talking to people rather than killing them. Jeremy to me stands for decency, equality, and a civilised society. I don't read The Mail, The Sun, Telegraph, or the Express which where you are getting your information from - talk to him personally and get the truth. Since when was being left a crime? Being right wing is what we have now, profit before people, being left means equality and decency to all, and not letting rich people kill off and abuse poor/vulnerable people and making the tax avoiders pay their fair share - loony left is a right wing description

[MyNameIsTerry]

Where is the 90k from?

[bernie1977]

And that's why I call you the loony left, you just can't talk to you people.

You presume I read The Mail , a The Sun and a whole host of other rags. Don't be so rude and presumptuous about me personally. It would be the same as me suggesting that you read the Guardian, eat lentils, have a stringy beard and hate everything that is English out of some inner post Colonialism guilt but I won't be so rude or narrow minded to suggest that

Please point out where I said it was a crime to be left? I'll be damned if I can find it in my post. I class socialism as loony left, that's my opinion it doesn't make it fact and I'm entitled to that. It's the far left who I think are Nazi's, you say anything they don't agree with and you're attacked called a Mail reader and right wing or worse....oops wasn't that what you just did.


Thousands of children in Rotherham near where I live were systematically raped over many years and ignored all through the people in power been scared of been labelled as racist. This toxic poisonous atmosphere of political correctness where the fear of the racist label comes before children was created by the politically correct left. I have never been so disgusted when I saw the friends and families of these kids at a meeting outside the town hall in Rotherham and Unite Against Facism where there shouting racist at them. Vile disgusting people and traitors to this country.

This conversation may not be appropriate for the panic board so if you wish to continue it perhaps we should do so via PM

[Dizzy_Dave]

Everything what you say can be quoted from a right wing newspapers, that's how I came to me conclusion that you must read them. Only two political parties call Labour the loony left - Conservative and the racist party UKIP to me they are one and the same - I do not wish to communicate with someone who represents either party. Try not to be so angry and learn to listen, that's why you have two ears and one mouth.

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Where is the 90k from?

It was from Vox Political
http://dpac.uk.net/2015/05/victory-f...elated-deaths/

the owner was the one who kept pushing to get the DWP death list released in the first place.

Here's the direct link (I had to dig and find it) http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/0...-nears-100000/

"A statistical release published today (August 27) in response to my Freedom of Information request dating back to May 28, 2014, states that the total number of deaths involving claimants of Incapacity Benefit, Employment and Support Allowance and Severe Disablement Allowance – between the start of December 2011 and the end of February 2014 is 81,140, including 50,580 (ESA claimants) and 30,560 (IB/SDA claimants). All figures are rounded up to the nearest 10.
Add this to the 10,600 deaths that were already known between January and November 2011 and you have 91,740."

[bernie1977]

Everything what you say can be quoted from a right wing newspapers, that's how I came to me conclusion that you must read them. Only two political parties call Labour the loony left - Conservative and the racist party UKIP to me they are one and the same - I do not wish to communicate with someone who represents either party. Try not to be so angry and learn to listen, that's why you have two ears and one mouth.

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It was from Vox Political
http://dpac.uk.net/2015/05/victory-f...elated-deaths/

the owner was the one who kept pushing to get the DWP death list released in the first place.

Here's the direct link (I had to dig and find it) http://voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/0...-nears-100000/

"A statistical release published today (August 27) in response to my Freedom of Information request dating back to May 28, 2014, states that the total number of deaths involving claimants of Incapacity Benefit, Employment and Support Allowance and Severe Disablement Allowance – between the start of December 2011 and the end of February 2014 is 81,140, including 50,580 (ESA claimants) and 30,560 (IB/SDA claimants). All figures are rounded up to the nearest 10.
Add this to the 10,600 deaths that were already known between January and November 2011 and you have 91,740."

What an ignorant man you are. If someone says something you disagree with you pin labels on them. That was the attitude that afforded the unchallenged systematic rape of thousands of children in this country. Due to people like you who are so quick to band the racist card about, kids were ignored by officials as they valued their jobs more and feared being labelled a racist. You should apply for a job at Rotherham council you'd fit right in.

I call socialists the loony left so you're incorrect there and I don't need to read down market rags to form an opinion thank you.

I'm not angry far from it I just feel disgust, disgust at people like you and I agree I'd also rather not communicate with individuals like you. The far left are the new Nazi's, say anything they disagree with and they attack, then again the nazi party did originate from the Socialist Workers Party.

[Dizzy_Dave]

WOW! You are blaming me for crimes against children? You need help, and soon.

[MyNameIsTerry]

How many people were claiming during the earlier period? vs deaths? Without that information, these numbers are meaningless.

How many people not on benefits died during these periods? Did that remain within a normal range based on trend or did it rise?

Reporting statistics like this is just scaremongering by that writer and it reveals no connection to any reforms because it does not suggest a causal relationship. How did they die? They could have died in an accident for a start. That's the trouble with high level statistics and they just scare people.