Thanks ana I find in for 4 out for 7 works for me the only time I can't do belly breathing is when I'm walking which is when I need it most , when I'm outside I have to stop do the breathing exercises for a bit then start again. Its obviously a mental block with me but I keep practising. It's so good being able to talk to people who totally understand and as a long term anxiety sufferer like me I know you do. Thanks again