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    Quote Originally Posted by MrLondon86 View Post
    It might not be the best idea to only follow Fascist Propaganda Network, sorry I mean Fox News lol. You might have heard of groups like Boogaloo etc. that have been caught by authorities for infiltrating and inciting violence in peaceful protests, however you are semi-correct it doesn't automatically label every right-winger a racist. It does show, I've so far condemned any and all violence by any left-winger, as well as the fact it doesn't give a free pass for anything else, but yet to hear a single bad word about these alt-right extremist groups, but not surprised I would be ashamed of them too and try to blame somebody else. The fact that only a few conservatives stand up or say anything against it all speaks a lot about combating racism and spits in the face of all the progress the world has made, as saying just standing idly by could easily be considered just as bad as the racist acts themselves. Heck if any democrat, liberal, left-winger etc. were as openly racist, everyone (including their own) would denounce and condemn them, that's not to say there aren't any.

    Only in America and Britain would we have statues of traitors and racists who fought for slavery. Here in the UK, William Wilberforce (one of the main Politian's to fight against slavery in the UK) gets a statue tucked away in some garden and a monument in Hull, but Oliver Cromwell gets a statue in the capital (not saying Cromwell was absolutely evil or that it was bad that he gave power to the government).

    You are right Biden really should have mentioned Trump's pathetic and late teleprompter response to white supremist groups, but it doesn't excuse the fact that he once again didn't on live tv when it's such an easy sentence.

    Yes it's totally about "whataboutism", it is a very poor defence if you say "but these people done this", however is someone possibly lying as bad as inciting hatred and violence?. Plus does he even mean any of these teleprompter responses and moments away from his base where he weakly condemns his base? Highly doubtful when he can't condemn them on live-tv, while his opponent can condemn his own. If someone stole your wallet and their defence was "well Mr Bob once used bad language and upset me" would you instantly forgive that person and let them have your wallet and all its contents? Me thinks not. Plus it leads to nothing, but walking around in circles all day and nothing constructive happening.

    I don't see how I've not been applying the same rules to myself, as I previously stated I am totally against all forms of violence no matter what their political alignment is or who they worship etc.

    OMG I'm genuinely so terribly sorry to hear about you getting Covid, hope it's not too serious and that you recover real soon and have no lasting ill effects. Who else will I have such a nice and civil debate Maybe even try to come to one of the "film nights" on here when you fully recover, would be awesome to hear about any movies/actors/actresses you like etc.
    I’m fine, honestly, as I said a bit warm and it’s endlessly frustrating not being able to smell or taste anything but I’ve been suffering these symptoms for four days now so I’m slowly getting over the worst of it.

    My point about Trump inciting violence is purely to ask if you think Biden is doing the same. I’m not saying Trump isn’t inciting violence, although I would be surprised if you can show me direct evidence that police are ordered to go in heavy handed from the get go, but what I am saying is that if you’re connecting that dot can you not also connect the dot of Biden’s lie also inciting hatred and violence?

    We both agree that Biden lied. It’s not like he lied about Trumps hair piece or whatever the hell that thing is, it’s not like he lied about Trump using fake bake, he literally said that Trump doesn’t and never has condemned white supremacy. You honestly can’t see how that’s lighting a fire under an already hot gas tank? Inciting hatred and violence is inciting hatred and violence. If you do so by telling lies then I’d say that’s as contemptible as anything Trump has ever said.

    I would love to know, and this is me genuinely asking here, what you guys think Trump has done to be able to slap the old racist label on him. The whole “build a wall” thing is designed to keep out illegal immigrants is it not? Note the word “illegal” there. I don’t see what’s racist about keeping illegal folk out and in turn making space for those who went through the proper channels.

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    I would love to know, and this is me genuinely asking here, what you guys think Trump has done to be able to slap the old racist label on him. The whole “build a wall” thing is designed to keep out illegal immigrants is it not? Note the word “illegal” there. I don’t see what’s racist about keeping illegal folk out and in turn making space for those who went through the proper channels.[/QUOTE]

    Try this: https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/122708...racism-history

    And this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...49c_story.html

    Hopefully this conversation is a good distraction from your current discomfort. Hope you feel better soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pray4me View Post
    I would love to know, and this is me genuinely asking here, what you guys think Trump has done to be able to slap the old racist label on him. The whole “build a wall” thing is designed to keep out illegal immigrants is it not? Note the word “illegal” there. I don’t see what’s racist about keeping illegal folk out and in turn making space for those who went through the proper channels.
    Try this: https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/122708...racism-history

    And this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...49c_story.html

    Hopefully this conversation is a good distraction from your current discomfort. Hope you feel better soon.[/QUOTE]

    I’ll have a go at this tomorrow, I’ve had a skim through and it’s a pretty long article so I’ll need a bit of time to go through it all and be sure that everything is in context to what he said.

    I actually feel pretty sick just now so as much as this is a distraction, reading and researching is giving me a worse headache than I already have. Thank you very much for your response and concern though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noivous View Post
    Reuters are you kidding me...can you get any more hard left publication? The answer would be no.
    Oh, I’m sorry. I forgot you don’t approve of any impartial or non-conservative media. Here you go:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/stev...-office-2020-8
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    You raise a good question about why most of the western world sees Trump as a racist, but I'd have to say him demonising all illegal immigrants as criminals and low-lives while wanting more people from predominantly white European countries to immigrate. Not to mention him condemning countries for taking in immigrants and refugees that have been one way or another effected by the Iraq war and it's repercussions. Also he stereotyped a black reporter and who can forget his most recent racist rant "kung-flu" when talking about COVID-19 and his oh-so-infamous moments spreading birther conspiracies about Obama and Harris. I would mention him reportedly calling certain nations "s-hole countries" but I think that all should be enough and his long history with racism. Not sure if this is correct, but wasn't he raised around the KKK or was that his father?

    As for the wall, is it a racist idea? No. Is it a waste of a lot of money? Yes, especially since there are cheaper and more efficient alternatives.

    Interesting articles by the way.
    Last edited by MrLondon86; 26-10-20 at 22:51.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary A View Post
    I’m fine, honestly, as I said a bit warm and it’s endlessly frustrating not being able to smell or taste anything but I’ve been suffering these symptoms for four days now so I’m slowly getting over the worst of it.

    My point about Trump inciting violence is purely to ask if you think Biden is doing the same. I’m not saying Trump isn’t inciting violence, although I would be surprised if you can show me direct evidence that police are ordered to go in heavy handed from the get go, but what I am saying is that if you’re connecting that dot can you not also connect the dot of Biden’s lie also inciting hatred and violence?

    We both agree that Biden lied. It’s not like he lied about Trumps hair piece or whatever the hell that thing is, it’s not like he lied about Trump using fake bake, he literally said that Trump doesn’t and never has condemned white supremacy. You honestly can’t see how that’s lighting a fire under an already hot gas tank? Inciting hatred and violence is inciting hatred and violence. If you do so by telling lies then I’d say that’s as contemptible as anything Trump has ever said.

    I would love to know, and this is me genuinely asking here, what you guys think Trump has done to be able to slap the old racist label on him. The whole “build a wall” thing is designed to keep out illegal immigrants is it not? Note the word “illegal” there. I don’t see what’s racist about keeping illegal folk out and in turn making space for those who went through the proper channels.
    Glad you are starting to feel better, just make sure you stay hydrated and well-fed so you can fight it off

    Wouldn't say Biden is inciting any violence since he has been condemning all of it in the first place and has been asking for unity. I never said Biden did or didn't lie, so please don't put words in my mouth, he may not have seen Trump's chopper talks or watch Fox News religiously to see what Trump says next. But Biden is right though, Trump at first never denounces or condemns white supremists especially if it's in front of a large audience. He waits until he has a smaller audience or when most of his sycophants are distracted.

    Plus if Biden did purposefully lie you have to remember correlation doesn't equate to causation. However I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this scenario and let's pretend Biden did purposefully lie, did Trump prove him wrong by instantly denouncing white supremists? No. Would Biden be in the wrong for doing so? Yes. Would it exonerate Trump from all his actions? No. By lying is Biden trying to stoke hate? Not necessarily, but possibly however definitely not as much as Trump.

    As for articles of Trump or his supporters inciting and instigating violence:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...floyd-dominate

    https://www.businessinsider.com/stev...20-6?r=US&IR=T

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54670557

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-police-report

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-53588445

    You could be right about Biden "lighting a fire" if the riots, police brutality, murders and looting weren't already happening, also would help if Trump could actually first denounce white supremists when asked, as well as without attacking anyone else. Plus if you could give Trump such leeway, why can't you do the same for Biden especially since Biden isn't president and has consistently condemned any violent acts. Just like pray4me said Trump has a very "on again off again" relationship with these people, while Biden has been pretty consistent.

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    Here is a TRUE story you don't want to miss. The Bidens...

    Joe Biden and his first wife, Neilia, had three children: Hunter, Beau and Naomi.
    In 1972, Neilia and Naomi, died in a car accident. Joe eventually married a woman named Jill (his current wife).
    He already knew her because she had been Hunter's babysitter at the time of the car accident. (Yeah, THAT seems normal- marry the babysitter). They had a daughter named Ashley. Ashley lives 'a quiet life' and is frequently in and out of rehab for various substance abuse issues.
    Now sadly, the sanest, most normal one of the 3 surviving kids, Beau, dies in 2015 from a brain tumor. He had been married to Haillie and they had 2 children, a boy and a girl named Natalie, who was 11 yrs old when her dad died.
    Enter Hunter Biden, in 2015, to "comfort" his brother's widow. Mind you, Hunter is married at the time, to Kathleen Biden, since 1993. He starts screwing around with his dead brother's wife in 2015...his wife Kathleen finds out about it and they separate. Hunter moves in with his dead brother's wife, Haillie,and her two kids and they have a grand old time. He ultimately gets divorced from Kathleen in 2017. Meanwhile, he starts screwing around with a stripper, while still shacking up with his dead brother's wife, before his divorce is finalized, and gets the stripper pregnant. Haillie kicks his butt to the curb supposedly for this indiscretion in 2018. He denies the stripper's baby is his, although a paternity test proves otherwise and eventually he marries a woman named Melissa in 2019 after knowing her for 6 days...
    Does the tale end there? Why no, no it doesn't.
    That just sets the stage...
    Enter the laptop from hell...loaded with emails, text messages, photos, child pornography, videos, and other sordid digital images of drug use and rampant weirdness....
    Hunter Biden dropped the laptop off in Delaware, his home state, to get it repaired. It seems he dropped it in some water while in a meth-induced state of mind. He then neglected to pay the $85.00 repair fee and the laptop became the repair shop owner's property for non-payment. When the owner saw what was on it, he was ao disturbed that he contacted the FBI. No response. The DOJ? No response. Eventually, it landed in Rudy Giuliani's possession and he turned it over to the Delaware State Police AFTER making 4 copies of the hard drive. Turns out, there's quite a lot of child pornography on there...much of it involving children on Hunter's many trips to China. The Chinese Communist Party uses this as a blackmail tactic... They supply the young girls, they film you, unknowingly, and then they can keep you "in line", while paying you the big $$$ to do their bidding, like lucrative deals with your VP father.
    Millions of dollars were paid to Hunter Biden for favors with the US Govt while Joe Biden was VP under Obama.
    For 8 years Hunter made the contacts and split the money with his father, referred to as the "Big Guy" in all emails detailing how their ill gotten gains would be split up amongst all the criminals involved.
    Joe Biden sold out his country and used his meth head son to do it. ...
    But, IT GETS WORSE. Today, on the laptop, emails were released between Beau Biden's widow, Haillie, and Joe Biden in 2017 and more in 2018 when she and Hunter were still living together. They were casually talking about the continual "sexually inappropriate behavior" she had witnessed from Hunter toward her 14 year old daughter, Natalie, HIS NIECE!..
    She told Joe that she felt she had put her children in a dangerous situation by getting involved with Hunter Biden. Joe knew his son was screwing around with his niece and he advised his daughter-in-law to go to therapy.....No one went to the police and the abuse escalated. THAT is the main reason she broke off her relationship with Hunter. Among the pictures of Hunter having sex with young Asian children, there were hundreds of provocative pictures of a 14 year old girl, mainly topless, and hundreds more of Hunter Biden, in sexual poses with her, HIS NIECE. She was 14 yrs old and HE WAS 48!!
    BOTTOM LINE: ANY MAN WHO CAN'T TAKE CARE OF HIS OWN HOUSE, HAS NO BUSINESS BEING IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
    THE END.....but, is it? Nope. Rudy says there is more to come, primarily involving Joe Biden getting rich off laundering foreign money through our country, using his son as intermediary. Biden is as dirty and crooked as they come. Hillary looks clean compared to him. Now it makes sense why Obama REFUSED to endorse him as the DNC candidate until he was the last man standing!

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    Actually this all improves our situation with a US-UK trade deal. We are being told Biden doesn't like us. So all we have to do is give Hunter a call and write a cheque.
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    Hi N.
    I could write a whole essay on the Donald and all his wives and children plus Rudy we won’t go there.

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    Got to love the "but but Biden", as if he is already President and acting as if Trump is still just a businessman lmao

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