Top Trump: A Poem

[hanshan]

I didn't check with Snopes. Is it in the "fake authorities" bag, along with Wikipedia, Amnesty International, New York Times/Washington Post, etc?

The old name for "false flag" used to be "agent provocateur" (from the French - in the more limited sense of pretending to be on the opposite side with the goal of stirring up trouble). I suspect that "false flag" is actually a coded dog whistle for "Democrat/liberal/Jewish conspiracy", and so doesn't apply to Russians - even Russians who pretend to be US citizens.

Concerning the Russian attempt to influence US elections and Mueller investigation, have patience, we haven't got to the computer hacking yet.

[Noivous]

13 Russians indicted...actually the assistant US Attorney General said they had no influence on the outcome of the election when he announced the indictments. I suspect all 13 are back with mother Russia as I write this.

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[hanshan]

Hi Noivous - Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein actually said there was "no evidence election results were impacted".

As a lawyer, he knows how to choose his words carefully, and he no doubt also knows the old legal maxim: "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence..."

[Noivous]

Oh ok...well evidence is kind of important don't you think?

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[hanshan]

Hi Noivous - The best you can say is that there is no clear evidence about the effect either way (and likely never will be). It seems, however, that Russia operates the same troll farm to defend the Russian regime on Russian social media and news comment sites, so obviously someone in charge in Russia thinks it has an effect.

I'm thinking this is just an opening salvo by Mueller - he can indict all the Russians he wants, but they are unlikely to fly to the US to face a grand jury. These people are just the foot soldiers, and any contact with them by US election campaigners is specifically said to be "unwitting". However, it establishes that an alleged Russian conspiracy to influence the elections existed.

The hacking of the DNC email server will be more interesting, since it is apparent that the Trump campaign knew about it and had information around May 2016 (I could be wrong - I'm going on the London bar meeting between the Australian High Commissioner and the Trump campaign staffer). However, if you accept information from the Russians, and you know they are conspiring to influence the election, then that is ... collusion.

Give a man a fish, and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he will sit in a boat all day drinking beer. (Old joke).