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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsTerry View Post
    Barclay has said the transition period could be 3 years to 2022 with the option to extend a year or two beyond. Now if they go for the NI backstop that the EU originally offered, and May rejected, could Boris convince the DUP he would stop it ever coming to fruition by way of technology? And Boris is very close to the ERG so perhaps he can convince them to support a vote on the same basis? That may get it over the line with some support from other parties?
    I still think this is the most viable option BUT the noises from the EU seem to support Amber Rudds observations that Boris isn't bringing solutions to the negotiating table. The Luxomberg debacle seems to have been embarassing for the UK and not helped that some journalists are only reporting 1/2 the story. e.g. Luxomberg refused to move it indoors and not why? they couldn't reset it indoors at short notice. Laura K guilty of this one at BBC.
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    Sounds like the NI solution has been discussed with the EU. Customs checks away from the border is also in the EU plan as Barnier's deputy admitted it. Childish nonsense scrubbing lines out and not presenting an alternative. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-sources-admit
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsTerry View Post
    Sounds like the NI solution has been discussed with the EU. Customs checks away from the border is also in the EU plan as Barnier's deputy admitted it. Childish nonsense scrubbing lines out and not presenting an alternative. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-sources-admit
    I think Ireland and the EU are ready for this. I don't think Northern Ireland is keen but Boris also still has some red lines that the EU won't go for so it's going to be tricky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mezzaninedoor View Post
    I think Ireland and the EU are ready for this. I don't think Northern Ireland is keen but Boris also still has some red lines that the EU won't go for so it's going to be tricky.
    What do you see the red lines as? Regulatory compliance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mezzaninedoor View Post
    I still think this is the most viable option BUT the noises from the EU seem to support Amber Rudds observations that Boris isn't bringing solutions to the negotiating table. The Luxomberg debacle seems to have been embarassing for the UK and not helped that some journalists are only reporting 1/2 the story. e.g. Luxomberg refused to move it indoors and not why? they couldn't reset it indoors at short notice. Laura K guilty of this one at BBC.

    Fault on both sides for me. Luxembourg can't move all those reporters but could they have moved the protesters? Where they residents or paid protesters? It's a security risk putting the PM within throwing distance of an angry mob in these times so it may have been a security decision (although the government would likely have admitted that).
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsTerry View Post
    What do you see the red lines as? Regulatory compliance?
    they listed them somewhere
    Some of them seem designed to be such that the EU cant agree
    One of them is Northern Ireland has to be able to unilaterally leave the NI only backstop
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    Just spent this afternoon reading around Yellowhammer and about Yellowhammer. I wasn't sure what to expect but though ministers scoff and are dismissive I think Yellowhammer shows that fears about No Deal are justified.

    We have had the high handedness around mortality and the risk register from Jacob Rees Mogg. One feels that Boris Johnson's No Deal bluster may be misplaced with the idea that the cabinet is trying to normalise 2 day traffic jams, lack of medical supplies, hikes in energy prices, growth in the black and grey economies rolling back any in roads Government has made in these areas, I guess the roll eyes piece is about civil disobedience because I guess there there is no formula or numbers being 'run' its just a feeling that people might up and riot because of the other factors. Thats a pretty unhealthy punt that Government is making if it takes a No Deal on.

    I always try to understand my friends when they say that you have to keep 'No Deal' on the table for negotiating, as I get that normally with negotiations you have to be ready to walk away because you have other options normally with negotiations, here walking away is self harming by the looks of the facts or rather analysis on the table.

    We need a Deal. A Deal however is only the start of Implementation which means there is plenty more negotiating for the Government to do beyond just the initial Deal.
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    So if Johnson refuses to produce a plan, the court ruling forces him to ask for an extension but Macron and his mates turn it down. That scuppers what a lot of our MP's are trying to achieve. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...zpb8nu-HUjAYuc
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    Arlene Foster seems to be realising she is back to having no say in policy now her votes are not needed. It all feels like this is what Boris has been over there for. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...22710?mode=amp
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsTerry View Post
    So if Johnson refuses to produce a plan, the court ruling forces him to ask for an extension but Macron and his mates turn it down. That scuppers what a lot of our MP's are trying to achieve. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...zpb8nu-HUjAYuc
    Yes, I guess that was always a risk.
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