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    And will Blair return as he has been making noises about funding this or heading it? How will Tories fair with him? Some well since many see Blair as Tory-lite anyway but Sourbry surely doesn't fit? Is she considered moderate these days? She was voting against things Cameron was trying to bring in, wasn't she?

    It's the Labour lurch to the left that has set it all off. Then May moves the Tories a bit farther right than Cameron (I don't buy this "Tories = UKIP" nonsense as that's only cme about from Remain and doesn't take into account anything beyond Brexit)? Perfect storm? In steps Blair and his dubious backers.

    If not a centrist party, what else? Two parties on either side? That just splits their power and unless many more leave they will just fizzle out. But out of all of this I see big hitters, career politicians, and they don't fall without you dragging them kicking & screaming out of Parliament.

    I'm sure Momentum are getting new candidates ready. Not sure how the Tory grassroots will fair as they don't have the same skills.

    I expect the same people saying they should stop undermining Corbyn will cheer at the leaving Tories undermining May whilst complaining those Labour leavers have taken votes away from Corbyn making it easier for May. And so the BS continues to flow.

    Anyway, lets stop blaming all the wrong people. It's obviously Putin's fault
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    Any ideas for a name? The People's Front Of Judea perhaps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsTerry View Post
    I've seen a bit about Berger's recent problems with her local party and it's sad that Corbyn's weakness in allowing the anti Semitism debate to rumble on (and I don't count that worthless Chakkrabarti nonsense as an investigation) leading to what she experienced. And what timing that Hatton is allowed back in, the name has changed but it still begins with M and people have been concerned about people like this sneaking back in. I thought they were supposed to be weeding them back out?


    Hatton suspended already. They dug up a perceived (until the NEC have investigated and made a judgement) anti Semetic post. But then these vetting processes are obviously a total mess anyway as it keeps happening.

    Not sure his property speculation will fit it with socialist beliefs but then cash always has trumped convictions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pain View Post
    Terry… I identified who was to ‘blame’ weeks ago: it’s us – the folks who voted to leave – the 'Guilty Party'. Even before we were given the Cameron-sent opportunity of the referendum, all our discontent had been simmering away for years and years (in varying degrees and for a wide range of reasons). But the whys and wherefores have all become history, now.

    I suspect grassroots Conservatives have a reservoir of willing and able prospective parliamentary candidates equal to those awaiting the call in Labour’s Momentum. The trouble is, both sides keep churning out more of the same. It seems to be the fate of modern British politics to become one large grey, homogenous mass of inertia. Goodness knows what would happen if the country were to face a real crisis!

    Yes folks, it’s the in game - Name Your Scapegoat. There’ll be an app so you can play along on your *Iphone by the time you’ve finished reading this.

    *This was the pre-release correct spelling. Because that piece of consumertech is all about me! me! me!
    There is already a petition taking off to push Parliament over by-elections for MP's who choose to become independent. I can't really argue with that since their constituents voted for the party as much as the individual and have just lost their Labour/Tory representation at votes. It's costs money but unless MP's are restricted from resigning, which also isn't right, it shouldn't be a decision which affects their constituents.

    I find it interesting that they are calling themselves the independents group. Is that a nod to a future party? They have no group. They have to fulfil Parliamentary rules to even be a party so this is a bit disingenuous to me.

    I saw someone saying how the likes of soubry would fit with Blair. I'm not sure on that. Hasn't she voted against gay marriage (under a more centrist Cameron) and voted for all welfare cuts? That doesn't sound very Labour-ish to me, even Blairite in their various stripes.

    Oh well, it will keep Momentum busy for a bit. They keep their pitchforks lovely and shining

    I have a feeling this is more about Brexit & Corbyn than us. Soubry seems to be going on about a Peoples Vote AKA "vote to stay in the EU". If that's all they will be, they end up with similar problems to Corbyn who can't balance his working class roots voters with the metropolitans. A lot of people are going to question this Peoples Vote if at any point it attempts to keep us in.

    I agree, about more of the same and it reminds me of Henry Davenport, of Drop The Dead Donkey, complaining about today's newsreaders being "androids" and "holograms" and how their are no personalities these days unlike his days where to quote
    "Over the last twenty-five years, I have read the news drunk, concussed, stoned, with a live stoat in my underpants and once on regional television with my trousers round my ankles and a Lithuanian prostitute under the news desk."
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    I don't trust any of them, personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whispershadow View Post
    I don't trust any of them, personally.
    Same here, I expect to be let down that way anything good is a bonus. Putting lots of money near human beings, and how many politicians have been seen to abuse power in many ways, always make me suspicious of truth motives.
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    No, MPs who were elected under one flag should under no circumstances be permitted to become cross-benchers or independents without a by-election being called. It’s a fact that most people vote for the party, not the person. Which is why parliament gets more than its fair share of awful MPs who wouldn’t stand a chance of being elected if there were no party system (discounting proportional representation being used). But anyway, these days I think the raising of petitions is a waste of time, and online petitions a sop to the public under the guise of us being allowed to be ‘interactive’.

    A while ago I caught the tail-end of the RT interview with man-in-the-white-suit Martin Bell. For all the trumpeting of his moral crusade in becoming an independent MP, what seems to have been trivialised is that without his campaign being helped along by arch-fixer Blairite Alistair Campbell, he couldn’t have won. Effectively Mr Bell’s strategy in the 1997 election was for main party opposition to be removed – Campbell persuaded his own Labour Party and the Liberals not to field candidates (these would have split the vote, with neither having any chance of winning but every likelihood of diminishing Bell’s). Hardly a fair contest. But the end justified the dubious means when the horrible sleazy Neil Hamilton (along with his equally unpleasant wife) got his come-uppance and was cast out into the political wilderness (for a while). And later, Martin Bell as an MP did right by famously asking if his “slaying of one dragon [implying Hamilton]…” had allowed another “…with a red rose in it’s mouth [implying Blair]…” to take its place. Eventually Bell’s Quixotic escapade as a one-term independent MP came to an end; which is a shame because his Tatton constituency reverted back to conservative, but under George Osborne…!

    The ‘Gang of Eleven’ (well, it was while I was writing this) is most certainly agitating not for a genuine “People’s Vote” (we had one of those: the EU referendum) but a manipulated means to disregard the 52% people’s vote to leave the EU.

    If we’re going to continue with the party system, then perhaps what we need is one which actually represents the population – a sort of nationalist/socialist/workers thing which would bring both left and right together…. A mad idea – it could be called the ZANY party. I bet it’d be nothing like anything that’s gone before…. Anyone want to buy a brown shirt? No? How about a black one, then?

    Globelink’s Henry Davenport or ITN’s Reginald Bosanquet, Terry? I miss the old BBC newscasters – the ones who sat at a desk with just a sheaf of bulletins and a telephone, and narrated THE NEWS with a deadpan expression and emotionless voice, but without opinions, computerised gimmickry or bias (it used to take them about five minutes to do what now takes half-an-hour).

    I never had much time for Derek Hatton, but I think this witch-hunting of the past indiscretions of figures in the public eye is becoming ridiculous across the world. I mean, no one should have to expect the Spanish Inquisition
    As I've seen one person say on social media, if they had crossed the floor to UKIP you would be jumping up and down about a by-election Political opportunity alone will mean some leaders, and underlings, will be rubbing their hands at losing some problematic MP's.

    Like you say, you vote for the party, the manifesto they offer. I dislike this parachuting behaviour which allows them to bring in someone they want, not who we want. I question why we aren't given multiple candidates but I guess it's down to the worry of vote splitting. We often can face a right nob of a candidate for a party we want in. I remember a couple of elections back they parachuted in Tristan in one of our wards. This was questioned by locals as he had never been near us and lived outside our area. Another posh boy who came from a good job, which he has gone back to after he fell out with Corbyn. He walked away from his constituents back into a lucrative job. How nice for him. So much for all that conviction stuff that was spouted.

    Yes, I also dislike this rigging of elections by opting out. In the case of Jo Cox, I can understand it. Not so in other cases where they stand aside allow an ally in. Even if you choose not to vote it makes no difference in this scenario, it just reduces the winning donkey's total. How is this not some form of electoral fraud? Maybe we should have a box at the bottom of the form where you can register a vote for none of the above which results in no one winning? That might be the antidote to the voters apathy they complain about.

    The ZANY party. Truly an everyman party. Imagine the zany policies e.g. we want Trident but no we don't, we want to be in the EU but no we don't, etc...oh hang on a minute Just don't allow Livingstone or Galloway in, I can see the CTers now bloating social media with talks the Z stands for Zionist. I can't think what A might stand for we best not go anywhere near the N

    This People's Vote always makes me think of Cameron and his "we are all in it together" strapline. Some of us are more in it than others though eh Dave? I'm not sure austerity has had the same affect on the higher ups. Possibly they have to buy more from the sale aisle in Harrods?

    Hatton messed up as his tweet is in recent years but the knives were always going to be out for him. Wasn't it what they wanted though? An easy signing hand running the NEC?
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    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartanntp

    The 3 Amigos. But will they do the salute?

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    Chukka mentions becoming a party in a few months. So all we need to know now is who the shady boss is behind the scenes pulling the real strings. Blair?

    The media do keep referring to them as a group. It's looking more & more like a Remain group wanting to get around May & Corbyn on Brexit to me. I may come to consider them post Brexit but before...
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    Those who are not yet completely brainwashed by the MSM have long understood that the organisation known as "ISIS" does not exist. ISIS and other so called imaginary "Islamic" terrorist groups are a creation of MI5/CIA/Mossad. Multimedia, including the beheading videos released by "ISIS" are produced and then released by the Intelligence agencies to likes of Rita Katz. They also operate the websites and social media accounts of these non-existent groups.

    Therefore, we have to conclude that the whole "Shamima Begum" news story is a hoax. It's a psychological operation designed to confuse the British public and create a diversion. The actor/agent who is playing the role of "Shamima" is on the direct payroll of the spooks.


    Jihadis returning to UK offered amnesty if they become spies for MI5

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...ty-spy-for-mi5


    The spies will then be asked to either join suspected terror groups in the UK or in some cases return to Iraq or Syria as double agents. It is understood MI5 will only use jihadis who joined the Islamic State to help topple the Syrian regime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsTerry View Post
    Same here, I expect to be let down that way anything good is a bonus. Putting lots of money near human beings, and how many politicians have been seen to abuse power in many ways, always make me suspicious of truth motives.
    I vote we have the mods here set up a party and we can all vote them into power
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