the EU & the UK

[Carnation]

The EU may well collapse before Boris gets to weave his magic wand and flick his hair. Merkel is uncontrollably shaking when put on a podium and the Italians want out! France has always wanted to be independent, the Wars proved that, so that's the big 4 in the game, although it's clearly not a game to us mere civilians.

[MyNameIsTerry]

Interesting study showing the economic damage of No Deal on the EU. Higher than past predicted: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...-latest-update

[MyNameIsTerry]

The "estimates" proposal . Is this similar to the ones they have in the US which result in public service shutdowns and wages frozen?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...ments-48798163

The suggestion that we could or should be taken out of the EU without the consent of the House of Commons is fundamentally wrong, and frankly unconstitutional

Dominic Grieve

Then you had better tell the the EU that. We can also refer to Gina Miller who took it to court to ensure Parliament decided and then later voted to agree to leave.

[MyNameIsTerry]

Brexit Day + 91



...woodstock? ...woodspock!

Nowt of any note happening in Brexit - lull before the storm?

Something like that. I think some think he is a bit of a plank but I've always been nervous about underestimating the cunningness of The Plank

It's all shifted on. UK is all about the leadership campaign and the EU has buggered the negotiators off who are busy fighting for EU presidency...the greasy pole beckons.

[MyNameIsTerry]

The EU may well collapse before Boris gets to weave his magic wand and flick his hair. Merkel is uncontrollably shaking when put on a podium and the Italians want out! France has always wanted to be independent, the Wars proved that, so that's the big 4 in the game, although it's clearly not a game to us mere civilians.

Is Merkel suffering due to big heatwave?

The French want out, their leaders have a similar disconnect to their people like over here. It will be interesting if someone like Le Pen gets in and asks the question because polling suggests the French want to leave.

Carnation... Jeremy Hunt suggests pejoratively that all leavers are living in “Little England”. Better to be a Little Englander than live in the bloated, all-engulfing European Union, I say. I mean, really it's like Jonah being inside the whale - seems ok (if you like that sort of thing) but nicer outside.

Rawdon Glover, managing director of Jaguar Land Rover, now thinks that ‘Brexit may have a positive impact on sales, whether or not Britain leaves the European Union with a deal.’ This is a U-turn – previously, Brexit was doom and gloom and the end of British motor manufacturing, according to all those involved. But there have been recent ‘upswings’ in sales…. Hmmm, where’s this new-found confidence coming from, I wonder?…. What’s that still small voice I hear – that Brexit was always going to turn out great for Britain?

Brexit! the board game for not less than 28 players but as many as can be 'persuaded' to play. Object of the game: to find a way out of the EU maze... be warned it's not nearly as easy as it sounds. The winner gets to make the rules.

Sounds like Hunt is nailing his colours to the mast then. The usual Remoaner terms like "little England", he will be onto "gammons" next. The 48% got the focus too, always a dog whistle to the revoke A50 types

As for JLR is seems there is dispute among their chiefs:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ver-cbi-survey

https://www.theweek.co.uk/brexit/102...ne-over-brexit

One is based on speculation, one is based on actual figures. But it's always best to remember these people are looking to influence government as we have seen in the ever disingenuous Nissan boss who makes a big fuss, gets a concession and then disappears again

But the issue of crossing borders in important to them as are charges. We can't just drop charges without dropping them for the whole planet so a deal is best. The Japanese use us as base into the SM, they don't really care about us. But losing them would represent a big loss.

Haven't the German's now said they fear a No Deal impact on their car industry? So that, which Remainers and industry bods in Germany downplayed, is rearing it's head again. I always remember one of the industry chiefs in Germany just saying he would shift all operations out of Germany to a cheaper EU country. That is the kind of attitude many of us nearly the bottom are concerned about!

[MyNameIsTerry]

Brexit Day + 92

Terry… I found a dvd of The Plank only last week in a charity shop (my major retail outlet) for 50p… bargain!

I like Sir John Redwood-Spock. As Conservatives go, he talks quite a lot of sense and does a good impression of a genuinely sincere politician. Perhaps historically he’ll be seen as another of those 'great' Prime Ministers Britain never had (plenty to choose from, apparently).

Yes, you wouldn’t guess from how our own MPs and the EU elite are behaving that there’s any sort of crisis still looming over Brexit (one man’s crisis is another man’s golden opportunity!). The question yet again is (or should be, if anyone were paying attention): are we heading for the real deal – No Deal?

Is the term “greasy pole” permitted under the baleful eye of the PC militia, these days? You know how they always choose to misconstrue the innocent… Next thing you know someone will be being suspended.

Doubtful that the French will take a French-exit from the EU, because it suits them nicely to receive the EU benefits whilst not paying more than the least lip-service they can get away with to Brussels. (the UK could have taken a similar nonchalant approach to being in the EU, only we always play by the rules… no matter how daft, or deleterious they might be to our national interests.)

Mr Hunt is a… remainer through-and-through. No one should imagine or believe he is anything else, despite what he may or may not say.

An excellent find!

I guess from the EU's point of view they are stuck. We are dithering so all they can do is coast to No Deal and ensure they have their safeguards in place. But that isn't solving the issues ROI will have however ROI seemed more focussed on us. It would be interesting to know what the EU are going to do on their end of the border because I remember the deputy negotiator having her own technical solution which may flout WTO rules. She mentioned a big lorry park further over the border so everyone passes over but the trade gets rounded up there. Sounds a bit like a customs checkpoint to me, just shifted a bit further away to reduce the queues.

That doesn't resolve the issue of security into ROI though and I didn't see anything for that. And unless we reciprocate it wouldn't solve the issue the Irish have from the ideological point of view. And also the SM wouldn't be resolved as customs checks are nothing to do with harmonised standards either unless there is a way to know the standard of our exports that can be checked at the same time as the customs check...but does that imply 100% checking or spot checks?

[MyNameIsTerry]

Is the term “greasy pole” permitted under the baleful eye of the PC militia, these days? You know how they always choose to misconstrue the innocent… Next thing you know someone will be being suspended.

In which case I feel sorry for which unwashed pole Barnier will be climbing up

[MyNameIsTerry]

Brexit Day + 94

Tim ‘Wetherspoon’s’ Martin says (via The Express):

“The most toxic story at the moment and, it’s very dangerous, is that we need a deal in order to leave the EU. It’s very, very dangerous because it means of course that you can only leave on the terms someone [EU] is going to give you.”

That’s the difference beween real Brexit and some sort of concocted Eurodeal (which is no Brexit at all). Mr Martin’s Brexit Party speech is well worth reading in full, but particularly for remainers. It can be found here: https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...rspoons-brexit

There is a get out clause. Democracy means being able to change your mind. That's fair but when faced with the question of whether it's overturning something we haven't even agreed to follow through yet along comes the hypocritical tumbleweed.

Not sure what he means about tariffs. You can't drop them so easily and when you do, without a CU or FTA, you drop them for planet earth which would wreck us.

He might be ok to import wine from Australia but it's not so easy to import everything around the world due to time and cost. Spoilable goods are an issue too. If we can get it cheaper from Australia then we can benefit but if not, we face increased manufacturing costs. Those firms might shift outside the UK and if you remove tariffs you give them no reason to stay as they can make things cheaper in the EU (if they can source their materials cheaper that way) and they can export into the UK who won't charge them extra for the privilege.

The question is, if you renege on those commitments how amenable will they be to a deal later? Everyone says Trump will scalp us, so will the EU. The question always returns to the trading aspect and who needs who and where both sides are willing to compromise. These trade deals the EU do are far less than what we have in terms of other agency connections (medicine, satnav, security, etc) so there is a lot more to sort out than simple import/export FTA's...and the EU takes many years to do them (some have been stalled out for several decades now).

I believe in creating a mutually acceptable deal. However, the current deal leans towards the EU. I'm not concerned about this "but we won't be at the top table and setting the rules anymore" because no other countries area either and they trade with them under FTAs. The backstop needs to change too. Keeping pace with standards is fine since to trade anywhere you have to meet someone's standards. No ECJ control though, any trade dispute shouldn't be decided upon by one sides courts and May's deal had both sides plus an arbitrator involved.

[MyNameIsTerry]

TBP turned it's back during the anthem. The Lib Dems wore there offensive t-shirt slogans and chanted to stop Brexit. All very purile student protest stuff. But which one is getting the ire of the EU? I bet you can guess... Worth noting this wasn't Cable's bleeped expletive but the full swear word. And over there is seemed to get a good response

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top...irts-1-6137054

A bit of slip by Tajani there which exposed a federalist view?

[MyNameIsTerry]

The "estimates" proposal . Is this similar to the ones they have in the US which result in public service shutdowns and wages frozen?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...ments-48798163



Then you had better tell the the EU that. We can also refer to Gina Miller who took it to court to ensure Parliament decided and then later voted to agree to leave.

Update to this.

Bercow hasn't allowed it in the relevant sections. Good on him!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8983221.html

The Liberal Democrats had pledged to support the move, but Labour had simply said it was “sympathetic” ahead of a decision on the day of the vote.Downing Street had condemned it, saying last week: “We don't know if that amendment is going to be selected at this point. Any attempt to deny vital funding to Whitehall departments would be grossly irresponsible.

“This is government spending for this financial year and funds crucial areas like schools, housing and welfare.”

They were all happy to stop people's benefits then in pursuit of their preferred outcome. Sounds all a bit "blackmail" to me