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    Serotonin - The 'chemical imbalance' myth

    The chemical imbalance hypothesis of anxiety and depression proposes that these disorders are caused by too little of a neurotransmitter, usually serotonin, in the brain which is corrected by antidepressant drugs. Its been known for more than two decades that the 'chemical imbalance/low brain serotonin' theory was deeply flawed, yet in continues to be promoted in the media, by pharmaceutical companies and even in medical journals.

    Firstly, there have been a number of studies showing stress actually triggers an increase in brain serotonin levels in areas linked to anxiety and depression such as the amygdala, hippocampus, hypothalamus and nucleus caudatus, which should prevent that stress from triggering these disorders if the low brain serotonin levels hypothesis was correct. [1]

    Serotonergic antidepressants do increase serotonin levels both in synapses and the brain overall within about 30 minutes of the first dose, and levels may remain elevated for some weeks before dropping back to baseline in most brain regions, and well below in regions associated with anxiety and depression.[2] The novel depression treatment ketamine also reduces serotonin concentrations (and increases dopamine). [2b]

    The fact the quick initial boost in serotonin activity doesn't immediately alleviate anxiety and depression is the first clue there is more to these disorders than just a lack of serotonin.

    An even stronger indicator serotonin isn't the factor responsible for the therapeutic effect is provided by the French antidepressant tianeptine (Stablon®), a Selective Serotonin Reuptake Enhancer/Accelerator. That is, it speeds up the removal of serotonin from the synapses, the direct opposite of what SSRIs (Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors) do. When taken with a SSRI class antidepressant the two drugs cancel each other out. [3] Yet, it is at least as effective as SSRIs such as Prozac®, which delay removal of the neurotransmitter. [4] Just as with the SSRIs and other antidepressants, tianeptine also promotes neurogenesis (see below) in the two hippocampi [5], demonstrating that increased/decreased serotonin activity isn't itself the critical factor in neurogenesis.

    Further evidence against the hypothesis comes from rat models of depression. Rats bred to have a high genetic predisposition for depression have up to 8 times more serotonin in brain regions associated with clinical depression (and anxiety disorders) - the nucleus accumbens, prefrontal cortex, hippocampus, and hypothalamus - than controls. [6] Chronic antidepressant treatment reduces serotonin to levels found in normal rats, but the amount of serotonin in the brains of the controls remains unchanged. OTOH, mice with only trace amounts of brain serotonin because they lack a gene needed to effectively synthesize the neurotransmitter do not exhibit depressive behaviour either despite their brains containing less than 2% of the serotonin found in controls. [7] These low brain serotonin mice appear to be much less anxious than controls, though they tend to be more aggressive. [8]

    Significantly elevated serotonin synthesis has now also been found in the amygdala, raphe nuclei region, caudate nucleus, putamen, hippocampus, and anterior cingulate cortex regions of human anxiety disorder patients compared with healthy controls. [9] Synthesis rates decreased following antidepressant treatment. [10]

    How antidepressants work is still a matter of debate. It is thought they stimulate neurogenesis (see also) - the formation of new neurons in the two hippocampal regions of the brain by affecting glucocorticoid receptors, and encouraging increased nerve-fibre innervation between limbic structures and the frontal lobes which manifest consciousness. Reducing serotonin levels in central brain areas also seems to boost hippocampal neurogenesis [11], possibly by increasing the survival of new neurons. [12]

    It wouldn't matter how antidepressants work, just as long as they do, except that the 'chemical imbalance' hypothesis is used to promote sales of the serotonin precursors L-Tryptophan and 5-HTP which not only can't work as advertised, but which, at least in the case of L-Tryptophan and possibly 5-HTP too, may cause harm through a contaminate, Peak-X. Peak-X is though to trigger the immune system disorder Eosinophilia-myalgia syndrome (EMS). L-Tryptophan linked EMS caused the deaths of 37 people in the late 1980s and permanently damaged the health of another 1,500+. See also: Notes on the Tryptophan Disaster.

    Despite claims Peak-X contamination was confined to a few batches produced by one manufacturer, Simat et al, 1999 found markers for Peak-X in pharmaceutical grade L-Tryptophan on sale in Germany in 1998, some 10 years after the original EMS disaster. Peak-X has also been found in 5-HTP (Klarskov K, 2003; Klarskov K, 1999) and possibly implicated in at least 2 cases of EMS (Michelson D, 1994). The National Eosinophilia-Myalgia Syndrome Network website continues to report new cases of EMS linked to tryptophan and 5-HTP linked cases on a regular basis.

    See also:

    • The media and the chemical imbalance theory (PDF)


    • The "Chemical Imbalance" Explanation for Depression: Origins, Lay Endorsement, and Clinical Implications (PDF)









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    Re: Serotonin - The 'chemical imbalance' myth

    Interesting.

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    Re: Serotonin - The 'chemical imbalance' myth

    Although alot of people say antidepressants have quite few nasty side effects, there seems to be equally as many people who say they have helped them enormously. So would the success rates of them be just a placebo effect then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I still Believe View Post
    So would the success rates of them be just a placebo effect then?
    Well, this is the argument pushed by psychologists, often supported by questionable studies. However, I find it interesting that behind the scenes their associations have for many decades been lobbying governments for prescribing rights. They have succeeded in some American states.

    In one of his last books even Siggy Freud speculated drugs might become a better treatment option. After detailing the shortcomings of his psycho-analysis approach, which admittedly most now agree was/is nonsense, he wrote:
    "Those who have been following our discussion only out of of therapeutic interest will perhaps turn away in contempt after this admission. But here we are concerned with therapy only in so far as it works by psychological means; and for the time being we have no other. The future may teach us to exercise a direct influence, by means of particular chemical substances, on the amounts of energy and their distribution in the mental apparatus. It may be there are other still undreamed-of possibilities of therapy. But for the moment we have nothing better at out disposal than the technique of psychoanalysis, and for that reason, in spite of its limitations, it should not be despised."

    S. Freud, An Outline of Psycho-Analysis, WW Norton & Company, New York, 1949, p62
    But to answer your question, no I don't believe it is the placebo effect because it is usually short-lived. I've been on antidepressants for nearly 30 years and know people who began taking them in the 1960s. In the first decade I tried several times to live without them but always relapsed between 6-18 months after stopping them. I've now been on my current drug continually for 20 years.

    Which doesn't mean I think they are necessarily the best treatment. Frankly, antidepressants can be ornery meds which no one in their right minds would take (although apparently some do in the mistaken belief they can make themselves better than 'normal' - in fact they have no affect on those without a disorder except for side-effects). Nor do they work for everyone. IME, about a third get excellent results becoming essentially anxiety/depression free, another third derive enough benefit to make taking them worthwhile, though still experiencing some anxiety, or depression from time to time, and the remaining third would do better on M&Ms which at least taste good. The cognitive/behavioural/mindfulness therapies produce similar response rates.

    Imho, if therapy is an option it should be the first treatment tried. Unfortunately, in much of the world it is about as accessible/affordable as airline tickets to the Moon.
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    Plus, going back to the seratonin 'myth' you first talked about, of the people who don't actually get much from the pills that are supposed to address the balance, there are natural plant based remedies out there that can boost seratonin levels without the nasty side effects. One lady on here recently told of how good she felt taking St John's Wort, but was told by her GP that she'd be better off on antidepressants instead, yet she feels so ill on them. I find that quite scary tbh. To be taken off something that is really helping in favour of prescribed meds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I still Believe View Post
    of the people who don't actually get much from the pills that are supposed to address the balance, there are natural plant based remedies out there that can boost seratonin levels without the nasty side effects.
    But increased serotonin is not what you want. Stress increases brain serotonin levels and, as stated above, antidepressants reduce them. In some brain regions associated with anxiety and depression levels drop to half the baseline within a few weeks and then stay there as long as the med is taken (Trouvin JH, 1993). But this seems to be a side-effect of the therapeutic response, not its cause. Antidepressants work by stimulating the growth of new brain cells (neurogenesis) to replace cells killed, or prevented from growing by high brain stress hormone levels. The therapeutic response is produced by these new cells, not the meds directly.


    One lady on here recently told of how good she felt taking St John's Wort,
    Studies have shown St Johns Wort can be effective for mild to moderate anxiety and depression and one study hints it may also work by the same neurogenesis mechanism as antidepressants, however, these studies use standardised pharmaceutical grade SWJ extracts such as PM235, STW 3, STW3-VI, WS 5570, WS 5572, WS 5573 and ZE 117 which are available on prescription in Germany and some other European countries. The produce sold in health stores varies greatly in potency from zero to more than is claimed on the label. Potency may also vary from batch to batch.

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    I had good success in treating my anxiety with Prozac, a SSRI. I took 20 ml per day for about a year.
    I got off it because I was feeling better, and I couldn't deal with the side effects: weight gain, loss of sex drive, overly vivid and disturbing dreams.
    I guess I thought I was just going through a rough patch after my son was born, and needed something to help me for a little while.
    But now that I'm off it, My anxiety is back full force. :(

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlassPinata View Post
    But now that I'm off it, My anxiety is back full force. :(
    For some anxiety disorders (also depression) are chronic conditions which wax and wane but never completely go away although remissions lasting years do occur. At present there is no cure, meds and therapy are only treatments.

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    So - if people feel the benefit of anti-depressants (and lots seem to, myself included, although I take mine for anxiety) - what is the reason for this, if the suspected serotonin imbalance isn't it? Is it that they work in some other way (not placebic) that we don't yet understand - i.e. That they have some weird unexpected side effect yet to be identified?

    Sorry if I'm missing something in the responses above, but this is so interesting, I'd like to understand it more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beatroon View Post
    So - if people feel the benefit of anti-depressants (and lots seem to, myself included, although I take mine for anxiety) - what is the reason for this, if the suspected serotonin imbalance isn't it? Is it that they work in some other way (not placebic) that we don't yet understand
    Antidepressants (also therapy) work by stimulating the growth of new brain cells (neurogenesis) to replace cells killed, or prevented from growing by high brain stress hormone levels. The therapeutic response is produced by these new cells and the strengthened interconnects forged, not the meds directly.

    The changes in brain serotonin (&/or noradrenaline/norepinephrine with some SNRIs, TCAs) levels is likely a side-effect of neurogenesis, not the thing driving it.

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