Been googling afterlife again

[phil06]

I've been googling this again but it's made me feel queezy and anxious. Does anybody else get like this?

[phil06]

I have been googling this again. I worry about it and worry there is nothing I can do. I had a breakdown in 2016 and went to hospital and had no control over things then.

I worry what happens when you die nothing it an after life? It makes me very anxious often being human makes me anxious too. Can anyone relax my fears have you suffered this type of anxiety and got over it? I guess it’s not good to be worrying over this stuff? Is the key to live life and not worry about this I mean being an anxious person it’s hard as I would rather live forever. I worry when you die it will be a boring place unless reincarnation exists and you can come back again?

[NoraB]

I worry when you die it will be a boring place unless reincarnation exists and you can come back again?

What have you been reading?

You're speaking entirely from ego - which appears to be something we don't take with us when we die.

I'm struggling to understand what you're on about to be honest.

I know my consciousness will survive biological death. My experience (and subsequent ones) removed my fear of death.

We already know that consciousness survives clinical death because of NDE accounts - and the longer someone is 'down' the deeper the experience.

It's my understanding that all the things, that have made life as difficult as it is, will be gone and we will be back to our default setting which is love.

It's hard to imagine love without the influence of ego because egos are formed as soon as we are around other people. Hate, jealousy, anxiety, depression, sadness, hurt - they're all ego based. When I had an experience several decades ago, it was like none of those emotions existed - which was at odds with the fact that I was being bullied on a daily basis at school.

I've experienced this - albeit briefly - and there are no words to accurately describe how this felt. I wasn't on drugs, having a psychotic episode or asleep. I was wide awake and as compos mentis as it gets.

Can you imagine being you without all the crap?

Well you came into the world that way and you will leave the same way because all of it will be released as your consciousness separates from your body.

Regards the 'afterlife' being boring...

If boring is not being weighed down with all this egotistical shit (mine and other peoples), then I'll take boring!

We are all made of energy and energy cannot be destroyed - it can only change form - so the idea that we do not exist in any way after death doesn't make sense to me.

I do struggle with reincarnation but that's probably because I am looking at it from a human measurement of time perspective, but some of the accounts are very compelling - especially those of children which I'm more likely to believe because they have less cause to lie.

I've seen people who shouldn't be here and I've sensed many more. My dad came to me in a dream to show me the crematorium where we'd just had his service and him with his arm around his brother - him saying, 'I'll look after you kid' which I thought was odd because this was his eldest brother. Normally, dreams are fragmented, so some things are accurate but others are not because it's a jumble of memories. Not so in this dream - everything was exactly as it should have been. I remember feeling elated that my dad was sat in front of me but he didn't speak to me and that upset me. A few weeks later, my uncle died (6 weeks after my dad) and we were in that crematorium again - this time saying goodbye to my uncle.

The night before my mother died (suddenly) I had a dream where I was at my nan's house (mum's mum) and my nan looked about 35 years old (she was in her 60s when I was born) and everything about the house and garden was correct except for one door which didn't belong there, and Nan told me that I wasn't to open it. We were putting things into black sacks - like you would for a jumble sale? And the dream ended there. This was just before I woke up at about 9.30 am. The dream unnerved me a bit. It was a Saturday and I rarely spoke to Mum on a Saturday (and I'd spoken to her the night before) but something kept niggling at me. So I phoned about 10am and got no answer from the landline or mobile. Not unusual for my mum as she could have been in the shower, but this sense of something being wrong was too strong to ignore so I phoned my brother who agreed to go round and check she was ok. AT 11am he called me to say he'd found her dead on the floor and the paramedics estimated time of death between 9 and 9.30 am, so she was dying at the time I had my dream.

The evidence that consciousness survives death is enormous and, slowly, we are making progress using the scientific method ( Google Sam Parnia) but ultimately I's say it's probably best that most of us are kept guessing otherwise we'd be leaping off cliffs in droves...

[phil06]

What have you been reading?

You're speaking entirely from ego - which appears to be something we don't take with us when we die.

I'm struggling to understand what you're on about to be honest.

I know my consciousness will survive biological death. My experience (and subsequent ones) removed my fear of death.

We already know that consciousness survives clinical death because of NDE accounts - and the longer someone is 'down' the deeper the experience.

It's my understanding that all the things, that have made life as difficult as it is, will be gone and we will be back to our default setting which is love.

It's hard to imagine love without the influence of ego because egos are formed as soon as we are around other people. Hate, jealousy, anxiety, depression, sadness, hurt - they're all ego based. When I had an experience several decades ago, it was like none of those emotions existed - which was at odds with the fact that I was being bullied on a daily basis at school.

I've experienced this - albeit briefly - and there are no words to accurately describe how this felt. I wasn't on drugs, having a psychotic episode or asleep. I was wide awake and as compos mentis as it gets.

Can you imagine being you without all the crap?

Well you came into the world that way and you will leave the same way because all of it will be released as your consciousness separates from your body.

Regards the 'afterlife' being boring...

If boring is not being weighed down with all this egotistical shit (mine and other peoples), then I'll take boring!

We are all made of energy and energy cannot be destroyed - it can only change form - so the idea that we do not exist in any way after death doesn't make sense to me.

I do struggle with reincarnation but that's probably because I am looking at it from a human measurement of time perspective, but some of the accounts are very compelling - especially those of children which I'm more likely to believe because they have less cause to lie.

I've seen people who shouldn't be here and I've sensed many more. My dad came to me in a dream to show me the crematorium where we'd just had his service and him with his arm around his brother - him saying, 'I'll look after you kid' which I thought was odd because this was his eldest brother. Normally, dreams are fragmented, so some things are accurate but others are not because it's a jumble of memories. Not so in this dream - everything was exactly as it should have been. I remember feeling elated that my dad was sat in front of me but he didn't speak to me and that upset me. A few weeks later, my uncle died (6 weeks after my dad) and we were in that crematorium again - this time saying goodbye to my uncle.

The night before my mother died (suddenly) I had a dream where I was at my nan's house (mum's mum) and my nan looked about 35 years old (she was in her 60s when I was born) and everything about the house and garden was correct except for one door which didn't belong there, and Nan told me that I wasn't to open it. We were putting things into black sacks - like you would for a jumble sale? And the dream ended there. This was just before I woke up at about 9.30 am. The dream unnerved me a bit. It was a Saturday and I rarely spoke to Mum on a Saturday (and I'd spoken to her the night before) but something kept niggling at me. So I phoned about 10am and got no answer from the landline or mobile. Not unusual for my mum as she could have been in the shower, but this sense of something being wrong was too strong to ignore so I phoned my brother who agreed to go round and check she was ok. AT 11am he called me to say he'd found her dead on the floor and the paramedics estimated time of death between 9 and 9.30 am, so she was dying at the time I had my dream.

The evidence that consciousness survives death is enormous and, slowly, we are making progress using the scientific method ( Google Sam Parnia) but ultimately I's say it's probably best that most of us are kept guessing otherwise we'd be leaping off cliffs in droves...

Thanks that’s very interesting especially the dream part. I have heard stories of people floating above there body ect I believe my dad had this. So do you don’t quite believe reincarnation but some sort of after life? For me unless you get to come back again in reincarnation it’s a bit pointless. I don’t see how any other world can be better than earth as we know it. I have terrible anxiety about dying every day so I know I need help with this issue. I feel it helps to talk about it too but I know once I have had this conversation I can’t keep thinking I’m dying every day?

For me immorality has to be the future or atleast some sort of extended life maybe 120,130? My grand mother is actually 105 which is quite old. Sadly men don’t live as long. Sure life can be stressful but the idea of it not continuing is depressing. I mean perhaps when you are 90 retried and don’t have your family around anymore perhaps you care less? I also worry about future deaths celebs or family as you never know how you will cope I have heard of people dying just soon after someone close to them dies that’s quite scary too?

[NoraB]

Thanks that’s very interesting especially the dream part. I have heard stories of people floating above there body ect I believe my dad had this.

Out of body experience? I've never had this. Been close a few times, but I think that was down to the pints of real ale and dodgy kebabs.

So do you don’t quite believe reincarnation but some sort of after life?

It's not that I don't believe in reincarnation - I'm too open-minded for that - I just struggle to get my head around it. I struggle with the concept that my son and I could have been 'man and wife' in a different life. Again, that's my ignorance because we're talking soul level. You get me? The afterlife is easy to get my head around because I've experienced paranormal stuff since I was 9 years old. It found me, not the other way around. I also tend to find the reincarnation accounts of children more believable than adults who claim to have been Cleopatra etc

For me unless you get to come back again in reincarnation it’s a bit pointless.

Reincarnation - as I understand it - is about evolving spiritually.

I have terrible anxiety about dying every day so I know I need help with this issue. I feel it helps to talk about it too but I know once I have had this conversation I can’t keep thinking I’m dying every day?

Because you're not accepting death as part of life.

For me immorality has to be the future or atleast some sort of extended life maybe 120,130?

Phil, my eyebrows shot up reading this until I got to the second part and realised it was a typo!

My grand mother is actually 105 which is quite old. Sadly men don’t live as long.

Did she have her telegram from the Queen?

Good news for you Phil if you have longevity like this in your family!

Men aren't that far behind women generally..

Both my grandmothers died in their 70s. (Grandad was 81 - Nan was 77) and that was forty years after his first heart attack. Apparently a pint of cider, snuff, and a ploughmans lunch everyday is the key to living longer lol

Sure life can be stressful but the idea of it not continuing is depressing. I mean perhaps when you are 90 retried and don’t have your family around anymore perhaps you care less?

This is fascinating me because you're not exactly living now are you? You're here, technically, but your mind is elsewhere worrying about the future and things that might never happen - except death which definitely will happen - and this means you can't possibly be fully present.

I also worry about future deaths celebs or family as you never know how you will cope

I don't worry about people I like dying (rock stars etc) but it affects me very deeply when they do.

I have heard of people dying just soon after someone close to them dies that’s quite scary too?

This generally happens with elderly people and it stands to reason that, when they've spent the majority of their lives loving somebody - and those people die - the will to live is removed because their reason for living has gone. That's not scary - that's love.

[pulisa]

What would a "boring" place mean to you?

[Lolalee1]

I know Hell wouldn’t be boring I would get to see all my mates no pearly gates for me or Phil.

[phil06]

Next Life? Sure that works in reincarnation

Death and nothing happening atall but emptiness well no faith can prepare for that.

Some kind of heaven and looking down on people well that’s maybe an after life but a boring one if you can’t touch feel smell ect and what would you do stay awake all day all night?

I read the other day they found a way reverse aging by 20 years too. I live in hope they find surrogates like the movie where you upload your mind to an android device. For me that would be better than any after life. Some futurists believe death is like a disease and can be cured or if they do upload the mind you continue to live.

[fishman65]

I have a friend who's a spiritualist and for him its a religion. He sees dead people, feels their energy and passes on messages. I see and hear nothing so have to take his word for it. For myself I think we are chemicals charged with electrical impulses and those will end when we die. But who am I to say? That explanation would seem logical but depressing at the same time. Reading Richard Dawkins and hearing him say we are not here for any higher purpose, that there is no great plan, that we just 'are' until we die. Again I see the logic but its just so bleak.

[pulisa]

I think Phil just wants reassurance that he'll be able to go to gigs and on holiday again in any potential afterlife!