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    It would have to be agreed before A50 ends. Therefore it takes us back to the WA and agreeing to terms favourable to the EU or they won't commit to trade deals anyway. Remember, the EU won't agree to even talk without the WA yet the WA itself outlines future trade agreements in principle (and more).

    However, how do we know anything Boris says will be anything like it will be once PM? For all we know he could push a CU and that removes GATT24 unless it's a new form of CU in which case GATT24 comes into play. So, is he advocating Corbyn's McGuffin?

    So, doesn't he understand it? Or is it a matter we don't understand what his plans are? He could unite Parliament behind a CU deal, since he's a popular Tory and the CU was popular across the House, and stitch up voters...who I don't think he's gives a toss about. I also doubt he cares about bringing down the Tories as his career is all important and will continue regardless as we are seeing already. The House will happily sign us up to a CU and brush as much of Leave under the carpet as possible.

    My take? I will listen to them once we have a PM. Until then it's as valid as Corbyn and his McGuffin. They can trot out any old BS as it's all grandstanding to get the job. Only the politically naïve are going to take any of this without a border busting lorry load of salt.

    May's WA has clauses to cover future relationship. That would be why the EU was said to have granted a transition period yet that's more that GATT24 allowed for it and we both agreed to it. But I find it interesting that A50 has wording to suggest a future relationship too and so it will come down to the detail in GATT24 about the minimum requirements to fulfil such an agreement.
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    Here is GATT24:

    https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e...on_art24_e.htm

    Note that you cannot opt for a worse trade deal in this process unless by two thirds majority.

    Looking at the clauses it would appear what May was negotiating would fit this. No Deal certainly can't other than to agree to a plan and schedule. At that point the transition period kicks in whilst you agree the new agreement.

    So, what constitutes a plan? Bare in mind the WA, as published by Parliament on the legislation site, contains no information about what it will achieve other than for us to sit down and have some chats about something. So, does that constitute a plan even though it has nothing in it? Therefore can you argue you can set up a meeting schedule and still leave under A50 whilst preserving this future agreement? Yes.

    Stewart wants to know actual tariff info but that constitutes the finer detail doesn't it? Had May agreed to that? Therefore, subject to interpretation by "the lawyers" as Ian Hislop would drawl, he could have passed the minimum bar there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsTerry View Post
    Here is GATT24:

    https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e...on_art24_e.htm

    Note that you cannot opt for a worse trade deal in this process unless by two thirds majority.

    Looking at the clauses it would appear what May was negotiating would fit this. No Deal certainly can't other than to agree to a plan and schedule. At that point the transition period kicks in whilst you agree the new agreement.

    So, what constitutes a plan? Bare in mind the WA, as published by Parliament on the legislation site, contains no information about what it will achieve other than for us to sit down and have some chats about something. So, does that constitute a plan even though it has nothing in it? Therefore can you argue you can set up a meeting schedule and still leave under A50 whilst preserving this future agreement? Yes.

    Stewart wants to know actual tariff info but that constitutes the finer detail doesn't it? Had May agreed to that? Therefore, subject to interpretation by "the lawyers" as Ian Hislop would drawl, he could have passed the minimum bar there.
    Youre spot on Terry.
    And I get that none of them are PMs yet.
    They all worry me to some degree but Boris general dishonesty worries me the most.
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    Another MP facing a by-election due to public petition:

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartanntp



    If I did this I would have been sacked so I'm glad we are seeing the people having a voice in what should be an automatic by-election for disgrace in a public office.
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    This issue is currently raging in the US over abortion but I had no idea we had our own problems:

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-contraception

    And an interesting point is how the pharmacist avoided citing the real issue, likely religious beliefs?

    https://rightsinfo.org/is-it-legal-f...moral-grounds/

    In a statement, LloydsPharmacy said that it was investigating the incident to “better understand” what happened to Siani.A spokesperson said that they “adhere to the GPhC guidelines which allow pharmacists to refuse to dispense medication that goes against their personal beliefs if there is adequate alternative care available for the patient.“As part of our own guidance, we encourage our pharmacists to use their professional judgement, but they must always put the patient first. In this case, the pharmacist was a locum pharmacist, not a full time employee. However, we will be communicating to our colleagues to remind them of this guidance.
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    The General Pharmaceutical Council’s (GPhC) guidelines state that the religion, personal values or beliefs of pharmacy professionals may influence “day-to-day practice, particularly whether they feel able to provide certain services”.This includes contraception, fertility medicines, hormonal therapies, mental health and well-being, substance misuse and sexual health.However, the guidelines also advise pharmacists to “respect cultural differences” and make sure every person is treated fairly whatever their personal views.It also states that pharmacists should “recognise their own values and beliefs but not impose them on other people” and that they should “take responsibility for ensuring that person-centred care is not compromised because of personal values and beliefs”.
    Medical and religious shouldn't collide. If your religion means you cannot administer legal treatments acceptable to the patient then you shouldn't be in the job. The law trumps religion.
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    The Jeremy Kyle Show saga continues:

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...cid=spartanntp

    So, caring Graham looked the other way or isn't quite the man many thought?

    Graham Stanier, Director of Aftercare, The Jeremy Kyle Show, said: “Some people will fail the test yet be telling the truth. They are told that before taking the test. I’m naive about the figures for accuracy.”
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    Presented with a clip of Kyle telling a lie detector contestant definitively “You lied”, Mr Stanier said: “That’s the presenter’s style. I’m responsible for me

    "I can’t be responsible for the presenter’s behaviour. It's not the language I would use.”
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    That doesn't seem very ethical to me. I wonder where the money comes from into that service?

    Anyone who has seen this show will know Kyle himself doesn't reflect this failure rate in his dealing with guests. He portrays them to be far more accurate (doesn't he say a certain very high figure?) and takes them as gospel when using them in the show.

    I wonder how many relationships he has wrecked with this BS?

    I do believe Graham's membership should be considered too since this show may contradict UKCP's Code of Ethics.
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    Aw how cute is this?

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...-a4170796.html

    A dog that brings you tissues at a funeral!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsTerry View Post
    Aw how cute is this?
    That’s just the former Andrex puppy in late middle age taking the only job he can get.

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    The Peterborough by-election rears it's head yet again https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...exit-party/amp
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