Covid-19 discussion thread

[Pamplemousse]

I get the feeling the second lockdown is coming - a stupid three word slogan has been formulated in the shape of "circuit break lockdown" so it must be coming...

[fishman65]

I get the feeling the second lockdown is coming - a stupid three word slogan has been formulated in the shape of "circuit break lockdown" so it must be coming...

I think you could be right PM, the new R rate is between 1.1 and 1.4 by all accounts. Then I hear that 'if' there is another lockdown it will be in October so as not to disrupt the kid's schooling. I can hear horses galloping into the distance followed by stable doors being slammed.

[Lencoboy]

I get the feeling the second lockdown is coming - a stupid three word slogan has been formulated in the shape of "circuit break lockdown" so it must be coming...

Cue mass protests nationwide if it does come to pass (not from me though), but we're only 5 days into the national measures introduced on Monday (14th), so the powers that be still need to give them chance before rushing to a second nationwide lockdown. Let's face it, the first national lockdown back in the spring didn't really start bringing down overall cases properly until at least the beginning of May, that still makes it plausible that the actual number of cases earlier in the year might have been much higher than we realised at the time, especially due to only the worst affected being eligible for tests back then.

Van Morrison is now under fire over his Covid denial songs, but he's defending his god-given rights to free expression, and he is adamant that this whole situation is a hoax. Crazy man!

[NoraB]

I was lucky getting a special school placement for my daughter..Having a girl in the class was quite an exception then!

Boys still outnumbering girls by a long way in the school, but there is a girl in his class. Yay!

[NoraB]

Do you breath in more carbon dioxide wearing a mask? I don't wear one, they make me feel like I can't breath. But, I don't go anywhere near people anyway.

Wearing a mask triggered my panic attacks because the first day I wore one (before it became law) I had a nocturnal panic attack. First one in ages. Can't have been to do with less oxygen etc because all that has been proved not to be the case, so it has to be psychological. I don't like things on my face (autistic sensory thang) so it stands to reason I'm going to struggle with a mask. Don't like hats either!

I tried on lots of different ones until I found one which I can tolerate because I want to do my bit in kicking Covid to the gutter.

Plus, I look badass in a mask.

Also, nobody comes up to me and says, 'Smile love, it might never happen!' because I happen to have a serious resting bitch face!

[Lencoboy]

Oh no, cases above 4k now!!

Also deaths edging up.

I don't know why the govt waited until Monday (14th) to implement the latest nationwide restrictions, which they announced last Wednesday (9th), rather than implementing them straight away.

Sorry to sound so pessimistic, but the govt might now just as well go the whole hog and impose a second nationwide lockdown, which Matt Hancock actually admitted today hasn't been ruled out.

And it will also be the fault of the idiots who no longer seem to give a damn, who think they have a god-given right not to social distance nor wear masks, go visiting their friends, go on holidays abroad, spread all this 'Covid is a hoax and world leaders want to control us BS', and refuse point blank to co-operate with the rules period, then they will essentially be getting what they didn't want.

Sorry, but not only these Covidiots will be the ones having to face the music, but those of us who are still acting responsibly.

The Covidiots have firmly taken over the asylum now. They've made their bed so they have to sleep in it, and have their cake and eat it!

I just give up, I really do!!

(BTW, I'm not having digs at anyone on here).

[pulisa]

Wearing a mask triggered my panic attacks because the first day I wore one (before it became law) I had a nocturnal panic attack. First one in ages. Can't have been to do with less oxygen etc because all that has been proved not to be the case, so it has to be psychological. I don't like things on my face (autistic sensory thang) so it stands to reason I'm going to struggle with a mask. Don't like hats either!

I tried on lots of different ones until I found one which I can tolerate because I want to do my bit in kicking Covid to the gutter.

Plus, I look badass in a mask.

Also, nobody comes up to me and says, 'Smile love, it might never happen!' because I happen to have a serious resting bitch face!

My daughter had a bad panic attack the first time she wore a mask but persevered and now can cope very nicely..I splashed out on some "designer" masks which are softer so these were more acceptable and looked prettier! She wants to do her bit too.

I hope you are ok where you live, Nora?..It must be much harder for you in the north west.

[MyNameIsTerry]

Oh no, cases above 4k now!!

Also deaths edging up.

I don't know why the govt waited until Monday (14th) to implement the latest nationwide restrictions, which they announced last Wednesday (9th), rather than implementing them straight away.

Sorry to sound so pessimistic, but the govt might now just as well go the whole hog and impose a second nationwide lockdown, which Matt Hancock actually admitted today hasn't been ruled out.

And it will also be the fault of the idiots who no longer seem to give a damn, who think they have a god-given right not to social distance nor wear masks, go visiting their friends, go on holidays abroad, spread all this 'Covid is a hoax and world leaders want to control us BS', and refuse point blank to co-operate with the rules period, then they will essentially be getting what they didn't want.

Sorry, but not only these Covidiots will be the ones having to face the music, but those of us who are still acting responsibly.

The Covidiots have firmly taken over the asylum now. They've made their bed so they have to sleep in it, and have their cake and eat it!

I just give up, I really do!!

(BTW, I'm not having digs at anyone on here).

Something to remember, as ever, is there is no comparison between now and then. We don't have the data unless you use the studies that have attempted to determine what the true rate might have been. Then how does it compare? For instance, is the spike as sharp? We know it can't be because even without the full data the earlier spike was cliff edge compared to the slow then sharper increases in trend we are seeing now. Plus we are better at testing so there needs to be a % determined to account for that as compared to earlier where no tracing would have happened (unless they add that % into their estimates for earlier in the year).

The 7 day rolling average is nowhere near as sharp. We know the first wave was massive but this one, even with full counting methods and tracing, is nowhere near. Therefore we are slowing the spread in some way. But the question remains will it return to the levels they would have been if testing has occurred then as it is now?

If you had asked me about the first weeks where it started to rise I would be very pessimistic about a second wave. Watching it sharply rise now suggests unless we stop it we can expect a second wave. But we know a lot more now so that doesn't have to translate into a national lockdown. Only a fool would lock down low infection areas just because we have high infection areas hundreds of miles away.

The death rates are climbing but they remain a slow increase. This is very good news (other than the poor people who have died, of course). The hospital admissions are climbing at a higher rate but still remain low compared to the sharp incline on the infection chart. If these two remain low, good news, but if the time comes they start spiking then we are in big trouble again.

A concern is the reported increase across all age groups. Whilst 20-29 remains the worst (doesn't this tie in with the socialising root causes?) they have reported the 85+ are rising. This will mean 60-69 and 70+will be rising. This is an obvious concern.

Lets hope they, and the public, are taking all steps to stop this getting into hospitals and care homes.

[Noivous]

Sir Van Morrison, 3 new protest songs condemning lockdowns. I always liked that Irishman.

https://www.deseret.com/platform/amp...-new-music-u-k

[Lencoboy]

Something to remember, as ever, is there is no comparison between now and then. We don't have the data unless you use the studies that have attempted to determine what the true rate might have been. Then how does it compare? For instance, is the spike as sharp? We know it can't be because even without the full data the earlier spike was cliff edge compared to the slow then sharper increases in trend we are seeing now. Plus we are better at testing so there needs to be a % determined to account for that as compared to earlier where no tracing would have happened (unless they add that % into their estimates for earlier in the year).

The 7 day rolling average is nowhere near as sharp. We know the first wave was massive but this one, even with full counting methods and tracing, is nowhere near. Therefore we are slowing the spread in some way. But the question remains will it return to the levels they would have been if testing has occurred then as it is now?

If you had asked me about the first weeks where it started to rise I would be very pessimistic about a second wave. Watching it sharply rise now suggests unless we stop it we can expect a second wave. But we know a lot more now so that doesn't have to translate into a national lockdown. Only a fool would lock down low infection areas just because we have high infection areas hundreds of miles away.

The death rates are climbing but they remain a slow increase. This is very good news (other than the poor people who have died, of course). The hospital admissions are climbing at a higher rate but still remain low compared to the sharp incline on the infection chart. If these two remain low, good news, but if the time comes they start spiking then we are in big trouble again.

A concern is the reported increase across all age groups. Whilst 20-29 remains the worst (doesn't this tie in with the socialising root causes?) they have reported the 85+ are rising. This will mean 60-69 and 70+will be rising. This is an obvious concern.

Lets hope they, and the public, are taking all steps to stop this getting into hospitals and care homes.

Some very wise words there Terry.

Perhaps at face value it might seem like we're almost back to where we were in the spring, daily cases wise, but like you said, there have been many developments since then, such as more routine testing, which was then limited to the absolute worst cases, and the daily recorded cases during the last 'peak' between late March and early May were probably just the 'tip of the iceberg', whilst the daily recorded cases right now, whilst still far from perfect, might be more representative than those back in the spring, which many now believe were greatly undercounted.There is also increased speculation that Covid might already have been within our shores as early as last December, and whatever cases and deaths back then were probably thought to have been attributed to the normal flu.